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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gil_Tea on September 11, 2019, 07:17:40 AM
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Anyone been out to stave lately? I would think it's just about prime time for the coho to start trickling in. And now that I have all the pink roe I could want, I would like to get an early start on Coho season.
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I have seen absolutely nothing on the stave yet. From the mouth to the toilet bowl. Caught a rainbow the other day but that's been it.
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is the recreation site open? seems the dam is finished
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North side coho usually don't show up in numbers for another month.
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is the recreation site open? seems the dam is finished
Yes it is .
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You may want to go by the night before and see if the gate is open. I drive by there regularly and quite often the road across the dam is closed or the parking lot is gated off.
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I have seen absolutely nothing on the stave yet. From the mouth to the toilet bowl. Caught a rainbow the other day but that's been it.
Cool, thanks for the heads up. I went down this evening to check it out and was pretty slow. Might go down to Norrish tomorrow and see if anything is starting to show up.
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It will be really early for the Norrish/Slough or Chehalis area yet. Go take a look for yourself but in my experience there aren't many fish around until October at the earliest.
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It will be really early for the Norrish/Slough or Chehalis area yet. Go take a look for yourself but in my experience there aren't many fish around until October at the earliest.
Hatchery Coho for the Chehalis system dont show up till mid to late October. The first run of fish is the lake run and Statlu run.
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Hatchery Coho for the Chehalis system dont show up till mid to late October. The first run of fish is the lake run and Statlu run.
Absolutely. Thanksgiving weekend or later is the time to start checking these rivers out. This is true for all the streams on the north side east of the Pitt.
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The word on the Stave is Later every season, and less. That is how it seems to me anyway.
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I agree that good numbers of Stave coho are still a ways away, but someone has to be the first to catch one. It wont be you if you dont go, OP :)
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Drove by the Stave yesterday and the gate was still closed at 8:30am.
Was open when i came back through about 30 minutes later.
Is too bad they cant open that thing at first light for the fishermen.
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I'd be starting to worry about the Stave and Harrison Chum. Looks like 372 less fish caught in the test fishery this year compared to 2018 and they shut it down in 2018.
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Gate opens at 9am and closes at 6:30pm.
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Just starting to trickle in landed a beautiful hatchery yesterday but having trouble attaching a pic.
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I'd be starting to worry about the Stave and Harrison Chum. Looks like 372 less fish caught in the test fishery this year compared to 2018 and they shut it down in 2018.
yeah its not looking good for chum this year,
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fos2_Internet/Testfish/rptdtfdparm.cfm?fsub_id=209 area 12 seine
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Gate opens at 9am and closes at 6:30pm.
great hours for a bank
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Gate opens at 9am and closes at 6:30pm.
Very useless.
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Save your gas and stay home, unless you're there for a picnic :D.
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Dropped by for a look at the east side on Sat. Not many fish around. A few moldy chum, even saw a cherry coho. I also had to inform 3 separate people that they can't fish the spawning channel within the 30 mins I was there.
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Dropped by for a look at the east side on Sat. Not many fish around. A few moldy chum, even saw a cherry coho. I also had to inform 3 separate people that they can't fish the spawning channel within the 30 mins I was there.
I dont know why they just dont pump more Coho into the Nic and less into the Stave. It's far from the target species in the Stave. Also, Chim fishing is good between the islands. The east bank was dead today
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Is it worth heading in there with a boat at all? Not super familiar with the Stave but the couple of times I've been it looked like there might be some value to reaching places you can't get just on foot?
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Is it worth heading in there with a boat at all? Not super familiar with the Stave but the couple of times I've been it looked like there might be some value to reaching places you can't get just on foot?
Get to know the water first. Go slow. There are sunken logs between the island and the hwy. It is worth going in with a boat. Just learn the water before you go full tilt. My 2cebts
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Very few fish biting yesterday. Lots of people congregated into the few spots where fish were surfacing. A verbal fight broke out between 1 guy who looked a fish in the mouth while another who hooked it in the back. The guy who hooked it in the back felt it belong to him and wouldn't let go. Fish escaped. His reasoning was that fish belonged to him because he snagged it before the fish bit the other guys hook.
Very entertaining :D
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Very few fish biting yesterday. Lots of people congregated into the few spots where fish were surfacing. A verbal fight broke out between 1 guy who looked a fish in the mouth while another who hooked it in the back. The guy who hooked it in the back felt it belong to him and wouldn't let go. Fish escaped. His reasoning was that fish belonged to him because he snagged it before the fish bit the other guys hook.
Very entertaining :D
I would have loved to have seen that. I strolled both the east and west banks from top to bottom, and I would be curious to know which accents were involved. GONGGGGGGGGGG!!!
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I would have loved to have seen that. I strolled both the east and west banks from top to bottom, and I would be curious to know which accents were involved. GONGGGGGGGGGG!!!
Accents? So stereotyping
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Is a fish really going to start biting while being hooked in the tail? ???
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I would have loved to have seen that. I strolled both the east and west banks from top to bottom, and I would be curious to know which accents were involved. GONGGGGGGGGGG!!!
Who cares. Not sure why that matters to you. What if it was 2 Canadian accents?
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Who cares. Not sure why that matters to you. What if it was 2 Canadian accents?
It doesn't. But I'm still curious.
Oh yeah, the fish were very tight lipped yesterday and I got skunked short floating a handful of my most productive jigs in a few of my favourite spots. The only fish I saw landed from shore were in the bottom end of a deep slot and it appeared long leaders and wool swept through were the key. It was a shame that they were teaching their kids to floss as a legit method to catching fish. I couldn't tell which Canadian accent they had, but there was some faint Nova Scotian tossed in with some Prairies, but it was hard to pick up.
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I will tell the truth, there are snaggers of every nationality on the Stave.
But people change, remember those snaggers on the west side of the canal? There is only one left the last time I saw. The rest have either stopped or turned into sport fishers.
Hopefully given another 10 years these snaggers may also change.......but don't count on it.
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They do it every year because they dont get caught. Nobody enforces the rules.
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And maybe they simply just need to be educated about the right way to fish. A little show and tell wouldn’t hurt anyone and will go a long way. My dad showed someone last year and the next time he ran in to that person he was fishing the right way.
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And maybe they simply just need to be educated about the right way to fish. A little show and tell wouldn’t hurt anyone and will go a long way. My dad showed someone last year and the next time he ran in to that person he was fishing the right way.
Where is the "like" button?
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We need more "Rodney".
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You think it's that easy ? Then go and hold a lesson for all those folks snagging Chum. I did once and got a knife pulled on me by an old Korean man. Some people just dont want to listen.
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You think it's that easy ? Then go and hold a lesson for all those folks snagging Chum. I did once and got a knife pulled on me by an old Korean man. Some people just dont want to listen.
Talk and show is nothing. We were fishing a run for coho, then a philipino guy walked in, launched the bobber like a rocket, drifted 200 yard and torpido retrieved the bobber. I gentally told him if he could slow down the retrieve, we could catch more fish. He told me to shut up. he said it did not matter he could catch fish anyway.
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I will tell the truth, the majority of snaggers on the Stave are Chinese.
But people change, remember those Vietnamese snaggers on the west side of the canal? There is only one left the last time I saw. The rest have either stopped or turned into sport fishers.
Hopegully gven another 10 years these snaggers may also change.......but don't count on it.
The snaggers I see are Russian or a country around there. A guide brings them in and drops them off, then comes back later to pick them up.
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NVM
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Russian, Korean, Chinese...they all had to learn from someone or observed someone. Wonder if you all ever fished for sockeye? Isn’t that a form off snagging? Every 5th person on any river no matter their nationality(even Canadians) is not fishing ethically...just lead by example and educate those who are willing to listen and lear.
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You think it's that easy ? Then go and hold a lesson for all those folks snagging Chum. I did once and got a knife pulled on me by an old Korean man. Some people just dont want to listen.
It’s not what you say it’s how you say it. Remember aggressive behaviour brings out aggression.
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It’s not what you say it’s how you say it. Remember aggressive behaviour brings out aggression.
You are right !
I think back to the moment a knife was pulled on me. I was very calm. I tried my best. Some people just dont want to listen.
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I know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an angry fellow angler who believed me to be harming fish, a couple of weeks ago.
In the pre-dawn hours I thought there was plenty of room to step in between two guys after having said good morning to one of them. They didn't think so, so I moved upstream. Fair enough, and no doubt that led to the interaction later.
I was trying to beach a foul hooked coho; getting it in quickly so it didn't spook the hole and getting it to the water's edge where I could pop the hook. With my rod bent over and the fish lying half in the water, half out, one of the pair stepped over but his motives were to deliver a message, not be helpful. His words went something like this "It's wild and snagged so you are going to have to release it. You are such a googan. You are wearing waders, get in the water and release the fish. It's not fecking sockeye season" and he then handed me back an empty line with no jig attached.
Now this pair took great care in landing each fish in the water with a net. I respect that. No doubt we got off on the wrong foot earlier, and granted I could have kept the fish 100% in the water, not partly in the water. (In my experience, the fish surrenders easier and the release is quicker when it's partially beached rather than in the water. And the fish was laying still, not thrashing). I own my share of the encounter. However, if I was a googan, the verbal tirade and "small b" bullying doesn't educate, it just intimidates. And perhaps that was the intent.
No doubt his response to me came from a place of love/respect for the fish. Also no doubt how buddy responded to me during our conflict is how he responds in the rest of his life to conflict. I'm just glad he didn't have a knife!
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I know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an angry fellow angler who believed me to be harming fish, a couple of weeks ago.
In the pre-dawn hours I thought there was plenty of room to step in between two guys after having said good morning to one of them. They didn't think so, so I moved upstream. Fair enough, and no doubt that led to the interaction later.
I was trying to beach a foul hooked coho; getting it in quickly so it didn't spook the hole and getting it to the water's edge where I could pop the hook. With my rod bent over and the fish lying half in the water, half out, one of the pair stepped over but his motives were to deliver a message, not be helpful. His words went something like this "It's wild and snagged so you are going to have to release it. You are such a googan. You are wearing waders, get in the water and release the fish. It's not fecking sockeye season" and he then handed me back an empty line with no jig attached.
Now this pair took great care in landing each fish in the water with a net. I respect that. No doubt we got off on the wrong foot earlier, and granted I could have kept the fish 100% in the water, not partly in the water. (In my experience, the fish surrenders easier and the release is quicker when it's partially beached rather than in the water. And the fish was laying still, not thrashing). I own my share of the encounter. However, if I was a googan, the verbal tirade and "small b" bullying doesn't educate, it just intimidates. And perhaps that was the intent.
No doubt his response to me came from a place of love/respect for the fish. Also no doubt how buddy responded to me during our conflict is how he responds in the rest of his life to conflict. I'm just glad he didn't have a knife!
He took your jig? amazing
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I remember one guy telling me his reason for snagging was simply cause "It's easier and I don't have to buy roe." Yeah it can be but the ethics behind it would leave one to question the morality behind other life decisions cause if that is the rational then hmm....
Seen every type of snagger from the old guys with equipment from the same era they were born in to the guy wearing G4 zips, custom pin reel and rod and using a fairly pricey float.
Hike and Fish, that is just how some people are, they cannot take critism very well and don't want to listen. Luckily you didn't get hurt but as for those guys they will get what is coming to them eventually.
Clarki some people are just getting a bit fed up seeing some of the crap that has been done over the season such as myself. A fairly famous fly tier/ designer from here got me into a bit of an uproar this summer on the Squamish, dragging pinks up totally out of the water and on to rock bed just to do an even worse job at releasing them, him and his older friend got me quite in a furious state that I did open my mouth only one time to just "Please keep the fish in the water and not on the rocks." A good friend had to keep me calm a few times after that cause it wasn't as bad afterwards but watching a fish thrash on dry rocks has a way of setting me off but luckily I can keep a cool head at times but I will admit I do have my breaking limit and it was reached quite a few times. Landing a fish in water is still better than pulling them up onto dry land and in the case of a foul hooked fish it's pretty hard cause without a landing net it's a very hard feat to do so.
As for those guys that is a bit off center to take something that isn't theirs like a jig, and we all foul hook fish by accident once and a while. Can't say that this season I didn't do the same twitching jigs in certain spots on the river but these things happen. They should understand that one, you didn't have a net so it makes landing a fish a lot harder, two a foul hooked fish is a LOT harder to land than a properly hooked fish cause of control differences, three jumping at someone like that when it's an accident is like chest bumping someone who accidently rubbed shoulders while walking in a crowded mall and four taking something like that is just cruel and without due cause.
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I've had some very enjoyable days on the Stave, like 30 years ago.
Maybe with the closure on chum it will be half decent to fish once again.
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I've had some very enjoyable days on the Stave, like 30 years ago.
Maybe with the closure on chum it will be half decent to fish once again.
This will have to go down as a milestone statement, as I believe it is the first time we have agreed on anything. :)
"Ralph I could not agree more". Many years ago when Chum where looked at as a nuisance that fishery was very enjoyable which I remember well. Not 30 years ago for me, but closer to 25 for sure.
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I have had many, many good days on the Stave targeting both Chum and Coho (not at the same time).
It helps if you take the effort to get away from the crowds. You will find similar-minded fishers who would be very happy to never snag a fish.
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It helps if you take the effort to get away from the crowds..
Absolutely, the efforts I made to get away from the crowds, IE. not fishing the river anymore made for much more enjoyable days on the water.
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Absolutely, the efforts I made to get away from the crowds, IE. not fishing the river anymore made for much more enjoyable days on the water.
I meant "on the Stave".
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I have had many, many good days on the Stave targeting both Chum and Coho (not at the same time).
It helps if you take the effort to get away from the crowds. You will find similar-minded fishers who would be very happy to never snag a fish.
I've had some pretty good steelhead days on the Stave but that too was quite a while ago.
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I meant "on the Stave".
yes i know.
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Off topic but I gotta say, the Nic has been EXTREMELY busy this year. It's gone from a local flow to a destination fishery. Theres probably over 60 guys from the launch to the bridge every day. It wasnt lile that last year or the year prior. Everyone I talk to is from Surrey, PoCo, Burnaby or Laangley. The odd guy from Mission. I had a group of 5 setup shop 5 feet from me yesterday casting over me. This used to be a quiet place to take the kids. Not anymore.
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Off topic but I gotta say, the Nic has been EXTREMELY busy this year. It's gone from a local flow to a destination fishery. Theres probably over 60 guys from the launch to the bridge every day. It wasnt lile that last year or the year prior. Everyone I talk to is from Surrey, PoCo, Burnaby or Laangley. The odd guy from Mission. I had a group of 5 setup shop 5 feet from me yesterday casting over me. This used to be a quiet place to take the kids. Not anymore.
hardly any places left to fish, not more people just fewer spots. Lots of the South side folks would be fishing the fraser if they could
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Aaaaaand back to the topic of Stave coho :D
Was on the east side yesterday afternoon, thinking the coho which weren't there 2 weeks ago would've finally showed up by now
It was absolutely dead. No observable activity from any chum, let alone coho... just the odd mouldy chum swimming around. Tried the boat launch area as it looked like coho water and the main flow just outside the boat launch bay. It was super quiet with the exception of a few tiny splashes from resident trout.
I did see one fellow carrying off what looked like a coho, but he was walking back from that shallow area just downstream from the launch bay.... I think that area is the spawning channel and is off-limits? I wish there were signs....
Kinda sad to see the Stave in this state after many a successful trip in years long ago.
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The spawning channel is right at the boat launch ramp. You will see a small bridge with metal fences that crosses to the boat ramp, the creek flowing above it. From that bridge up is the spawning channel. I'm pretty sure anywhere below it is okay to fish.
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A buddy of mine was saying that he thought he had heard that when they started the dam project at the Stave around 4 years ago they cut the hatchery program. If that's true the cycle would fit for a horrible return this year. I don't know if these facts are accurate though, anyone else have some intel?
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A buddy of mine was saying that he thought he had heard that when they started the dam project at the Stave around 4 years ago they cut the hatchery program. If that's true the cycle would fit for a horrible return this year. I don't know if these facts are accurate though, anyone else have some intel?
Inch creek hatchery has had the same two tanks labeled "Stave River Coho" for as long as I can remeber. I was there a few days ago and the label stays the same. I assume they are destined for the Stave
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The spawning channel is right at the boat launch ramp. You will see a small bridge with metal fences that crosses to the boat ramp, the creek flowing above it. From that bridge up is the spawning channel. I'm pretty sure anywhere below it is okay to fish.
Good to know. Thx bunnta
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Chum spawn just about everywhere in the Stave. That little channel by the parking lot and just to the left of of the toilet bowl was put in there for salmon viewing, not for fishing.
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They have been releasing about 150k age 1+ smolts.
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/projects-projets/ifmp-pgip-eng.html
I've been told that translates into a coho return of about 1.5k to 3k returns
In contrast the chilliwack hatchery Released in 2017
980,115K age 1+ Coho smolts
Or in other words your chances of catching a hatchery coho in the chilliwack is 6.5 times better.
That's not even taking into consideration all the other factors. The chehalis should be a decent alternative but its not due to bunch of other factors.
(https://i.imgur.com/fTx91O7.png)
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Or in other words your chances of catching a hatchery coho in the chilliwack is 6.5 times better.
there is about a km or so of fishing water in the Stave - less for bank anglers. How many is there for the V/C - 20km or more? Much more stream length for those coho to spread out.
The Stave also gets it's main run after the bulk of the run in the V-C is pretty much done.
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(https://blackpress.newsengin.com/gps2/uploads/14046382/deadfish2.jpg)
Hope we don't see any of this going on this year .
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what the heck happened there?!
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Rodney and Nina were fishing with roe in the canal
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;D
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Hahaha... Just going through all the posts after returning from Australia... ;D
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Went out yesterday morning to the Stave, my first time fishing there. Brought along my son, nephew, and father-in-law. Hoped to get into some coho, managed to have one on early with a twitching jig. Was pretty slow for a little bit but then the chum fishing turned on and it was non-stop for about an hour and a half until we had to leave. Those fish are so fun, even had a couple of double headers.
Sadly, saw a guy fishing with a couple of kids up the river from us treating the fish with no respect. Dragging them up onto dry rocks thrashing around, leaving it there for a long time while they prepared their cameras for pictures, then kicking it back into the water.
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Has anyone had any success on the Stave recently for coho? I'm planning on going to the west side of the river tomorrow. I've only ever hooked up 2 coho there in the past years, both in the upper portion in a pool close to the dam.
Has anyone had any success in the mid section of the river? Along the west bank? I'm bringing along a fisher-lady who is pretty new to salmon fishing, would be nice if she had some success.
We don't want to target the chum.
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You're better off to head to a river system with better Coho numbers if you're looking for success. There are coho around, but not a ton. Really got to work for them, how are you planning on targeting them??
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If there's any current, I would drift a colorado blade under a float, using split shot to get it down about 3-4 feet. Maybe orange yarn or jig if that doesn't work.
If there's some really slow water, small spoons & spinners? If that fails, twitching jigs?
I only really know of 2 spots on the west side of the river. I've tried the mid section of the west side but never caught anything there before.
Thx for the advice Nexus. I'd hit the Vedder if I had all day but we only have 5 hrs and we're coming from North Van.
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Ah I see, best of luck to you both. Check your pm's !!