Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hike_and_fish on September 07, 2019, 10:23:29 AM
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If you're familiar with this area ( Sumas Fraser confluence ) you can clearly see this guy iz fishing past the boundry and in the Fraser ( technically). I see this all the time when I'm oit there. Even Coho season last year. It's never enforced. DFO knows. I called them during the week. I'm not the only one who calls. It's just ridiculous
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2GGfQZhqGK/?igshid=13qa4u0rwpd0x
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No boundary signs, no enforcement.
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No boundary signs, no enforcement.
There is a sign. As well as a clear indication as to where you are allowed to fish. It says in the regs 100 meters from the Fraser.
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I know the boundary sign on the north side has been taken off the pole and is laying on the ground. I took my canoe out there yesterday and saw probably 15 boats between the boundary markers and the fraser. I doubt dfo will enforce it.
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I know the boundary sign on the north side has been taken off the pole and is laying on the ground. I took my canoe out there yesterday and saw probably 15 boats between the boundary markers and the fraser. I doubt dfo will enforce it.
They wont. They didnt last year. The signs are placed in the wrong place according to the 100 meter rule. I tracked 100 meters with my GPS and the existing sign didnt even come close.
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The boundary on the south side is still there and very obvious, if you care to look. Easy enough to stay upstream and comply with the regs; if you want.
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Why we crying about a few anglers fishing at the mouth of the Vedder canal when the entire Fraser river is closed to sports angling for salmon? :o
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Why we crying about a few anglers fishing at the mouth of the Vedder canal when the entire river is closed to sports angling for salmon? :o
It's not a few. Its easily over 20 per day. I had a friend text me last weekend saying there was 10 plus boats with multiple anglers on each boat.
Regs are regs. You all complain about FN fisheries all the time. When it comes to non FN breaking the regs you want to turn a blind eye ? Regs are there for a reason. The Vedder mouth has fish that turn in for a quick rest before moving up river. The majority of those fish may be returning to year round protected systems. Protected for a reason.
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I am fine with that. It is not Canadian / US border.
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Everybody wants to post their pictures on social media. Sign of the times.
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people will defy unreasonable and unfair restrictions
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people will defy unreasonable and unfair restrictions
Fair enough. I've done it in the past. I understand.
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In recent years, I have begun to get involved in the fishery in the lower Sumas. A buddy has a boat and we head down here a number of times in September and October. We are well aware of the regs, where the boundary is, and openings and the dates they take place. Each year we witness numerous blatant infractions. Some of these are from clearly marked company guide boats. As we head up the river from the mouth of the Fraser, we politely remind people that this area is closed, the date it should be opening, and where the boundary markers are. I can tell most people fein a bit of dismay and say they were not aware, but then make no effort to move or correct their "mistaken oversight". A number of anglers just turn away and ignore us, avoiding eye contact. Some just outright curse us, swear at us, and tell us to get on our way.
I guess it is more a sign of the times, but in many ways, fishing often just comes down to an honours system, and when you cannot assist people to find the way to be honourable, you just have to learn to not take it personally.
Dano
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In recent years, I have begun to get involved in the fishery in the lower Sumas. A buddy has a boat and we head down here a number of times in September and October. We are well aware of the regs, where the boundary is, and openings and the dates they take place. Each year we witness numerous blatant infractions. Some of these are from clearly marked company guide boats. As we head up the river from the mouth of the Fraser, we politely remind people that this area is closed, the date it should be opening, and where the boundary markers are. I can tell most people fein a bit of dismay and say they were not aware, but then make no effort to move or correct their "mistaken oversight". A number of anglers just turn away and ignore us, avoiding eye contact. Some just outright curse us, swear at us, and tell us to get on our way.
I guess it is more a sign of the times, but in many ways, fishing often just comes down to an honours system, and when you cannot assist people to find the way to be honourable, you just have to learn to not take it personally.
Dano
Well said.
Also note this weekend at the mouth was busy. Lots of boats still out of bounds. No enforcement at all. Even on the weekend. With all the guide boats we ALL see out there, you have to think they would care a out their business and reputation no ? The guides know it's not enforced. That's why they do it.
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In recent years, I have begun to get involved in the fishery in the lower Sumas. A buddy has a boat and we head down here a number of times in September and October. We are well aware of the regs, where the boundary is, and openings and the dates they take place. Each year we witness numerous blatant infractions. Some of these are from clearly marked company guide boats. As we head up the river from the mouth of the Fraser, we politely remind people that this area is closed, the date it should be opening, and where the boundary markers are. I can tell most people fein a bit of dismay and say they were not aware, but then make no effort to move or correct their "mistaken oversight". A number of anglers just turn away and ignore us, avoiding eye contact. Some just outright curse us, swear at us, and tell us to get on our way
I guess it is more a sign of the times, but in many ways, fishing often just comes down to an honours system, and when you cannot assist people to find the way to be honourable, you just have to learn to not take it personally.
Dano
Where I usually fish I have come across a couple of incidents in the last few years , one where a angler was going to bonk a wild coho , he was waiting for me to say go ahead , the other the angler killed a second coho when the limit was one - he tried to tell me it was a chinook because it was so big , both of these anglers are seasoned fishermen and were just playing ignorant
Good on you Dano for trying to educate , if they ignore you that’s on them
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Well said.
Also note this weekend at the mouth was busy. Lots of boats still out of bounds. No enforcement at all. Even on the weekend. With all the guide boats we ALL see out there, you have to think they would care a out their business and reputation no ? The guides know it's not enforced. That's why they do it.
Seen lots of hero picks of bonked pinks on social media this weekend. looks like at barrowtown.
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H&F,
I would think twice about posting someones picture online before you have your facts on that particular picture. I'm a little surprised Rodney hasn't taken it down.
On another thread you posted pics of guides fishing out of bounds along with other boats. I get what your doing and why but if your goal is to shame, those boat pics don't identify certain individuals as clearly as your post on this thread. i think it would be prudent to take down the pic from this thread.
We were out in the Fort Langley area Sturgeon fishing as few days ago and we saw quite a few people Pink fishing. One of my passengers yelled at them that Pinks were closed. I guess they were fishing for coarse fish and caught Pinks.
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H&F,
I would think twice about posting someones picture online before you have your facts on that particular picture. I'm a little surprised Rodney hasn't taken it down.
On another thread you posted pics of guides fishing out of bounds along with other boats. I get what your doing and why but if your goal is to shame, those boat pics don't identify certain individuals as clearly as your post on this thread. i think it would be prudent to take down the pic from this thread.
We were out in the Fort Langley area Sturgeon fishing as few days ago and we saw quite a few people Pink fishing. One of my passengers yelled at them that Pinks were closed. I guess they were fishing for coarse fish and caught Pinks.
I have my facts straight. Thanks tho. Second of all, I never mentioned guide companies and I NEVER posted a picture of someone's face OR boat number. I could have, considering one of those guides posts on this forum regularly. If Rod wants to take it down it's his site. He can do what he wants. Doesnt bother me. What bothers me ( and it should bother everyone ) are licensed companies breaking the law. Boo hoo I posted a picture of people committing illegal activity. Suck it up
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Before your start running off at the mouth your not getting my point.
I know you never mentioned Guide companies or posted pics of faces except one very clearly. Why one person and not a bunch of pics of the others not following the rules?
Looking forward to seeing who else are breaking the rules.
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I have my facts straight. Thanks tho. Second of all, I never mentioned guide companies and I NEVER posted a picture of someone's face OR boat number. I could have, considering one of those guides posts on this forum regularly. If Rod wants to take it down it's his site. He can do what he wants. Doesnt bother me. What bothers me ( and it should bother everyone ) are licensed companies breaking the law. Boo hoo I posted a picture of people committing illegal activity. Suck it up
When was the trial of those you say were breaking the law? Or are you the supreme judge now? I read what 4x4 posted and thought it was excellent advice that was offered in a considerate manner and you came back like a little puke. If you are so concerned why not contact the people that you are accusing or would that be the actions of an adult and not a whiny little sniveller? Try manning up instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
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Shame on you. When it comes to FN and nets, almost everyone cries. When someone points out wrong doing of non FN people, everyone gets their panties in bunch. The law is the law. If its unjust or not it's still the law. The picture I posed wasnt ment to " Shame " anyone. It's simply pointing out how many boats are fishing illegally on a daily bassis. Do you see any boat numbers ? Did I name anyone ? NO. grow up
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20 people fishing whole season catch less fish than one commercial net. big deal. crying baby got breast feeding.
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20 people fishing whole season catch less fish than one commercial net. big deal. crying baby got breast feeding.
Some nets are legal and poaching isnt. Black and white.
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20 people fishing whole season catch less fish than one commercial net. big deal. crying baby got breast feeding.
So poaching is justifiable as long as you’re poaching less than a commercial netting operation? ??? :o
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Crying about a few sporties fishing the Sumas mouth. Who cares? DFO doesn’t. You all should be crying about the Fraser closed to Salmon Fishing.
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Crying about a few sporties fishing the Sumas mouth. Who cares? DFO doesn’t. You all should be crying about the Fraser closed to Salmon Fishing.
Rules are rules pal. I think it's clear you're not a fan of rules. Have fun with your barbed hooks and limit hole poaching. You're not worth my time
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Interesting to see all the different reasons people use to justify various behavior
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That's why we have regs, 'cause ethics are just opinions...
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Rules are rules pal. I think it's clear you're not a fan of rules. Have fun with your barbed hooks and limit hole poaching. You're not worth my time
I will get you a box of tissue paper. You cry more then a 2 yr old. Call up the D.F.O and complain to them if u so worried about it.
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Double post erased.
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I will get you a box of tissue paper. You cry more then a 2 yr old. Call up the D.F.O and complain to them if u so worried about it.
Insulting people on a fishing forum that is made to be friendly, has zero class in it at all.
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As I said earlier:
"I guess it is more a sign of the times, but in many ways, fishing often just comes down to an honours system, and when you cannot assist people to find the way to be honourable, you just have to learn to not take it personally."
This thread seems to be all about that.
Dano
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Those that do not follow the laws are POACHERS. They are just like thieves. They are stealing from the rest of us. There are no excuses.
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Some nets are legal and poaching isnt. Black and white.
A king is a king until Louis XVI of France was guillotined. if the law doesn't serve justice and equality. how can you enforce it all the time?