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British Columbia Sport & Outdoor Lounge => Hunters' Cabin => Topic started by: IronNoggin on June 23, 2019, 01:11:43 PM
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May well be something to this:
Trudeau all talk, no walk on gun bans -- thank God
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s promise to ban “assault style weapons” after the next election is great news for law-abiding gun owners and target shooters in Canada.
A ban makes zero sense, will do absolutely nothing to prevent crime, in fact it would increase the number of shootings by diverting government resources away from fighting gangs, and is the last thing law-abiding gun owners want.
So, why is it great news?
Because, If we’ve learned anything about Trudeau over the past four years, it’s that he doesn’t keep promises.
Trudeau is all sizzle, no steak. He’s all hat, no cattle. All talk, no walk. And, thank God for it.
Announcement. No action. Move on. Repeat.
Trudeau has established a predictable pattern of behaviour on hot-button issues: he makes an announcement, then does nothing about it and moves on to the next shiny object. Wash, rinse, repeat.
In a press announcement, Trudeau accepted there is an ongoing genocide targeting Canada’s indigenous peoples. Genocide is a crime against humanity. Somebody should probably do something about that. What did he do? Nothing. He moved on.
On Monday, the Liberal government declared a “Climate Emergency” in the House of Commons. Emergencies are serious things that normally demand immediate action. What action did Trudeau take? Nothing. He moved on.
In fact, the very same day, he jetted off to party with the Raptors in Toronto, then back to Ottawa for a meeting before flying to Montreal. Serious stuff, these “climate emergencies.”
During the 2015 election campaign, Trudeau promised to end first-past-the-post elections. Did nothing. Moved on. He promised to balance the budget in 2019. Did nothing to make that happen – quite the opposite, in fact. He moved on.
The way I see it, a promise from Trudeau to seize billions of dollars worth of legally-owned, lawfully stored private property from law-abiding gun owners is fantastic news. A Trudeau promise almost guarantees it will never happen.
Which is good for everyone, because it’s a gobsmackingly stupid idea.
Even Bill Blair, Trudeau’s beleaguered minister of border security and organized crime reduction, seemed to have difficulty keeping a straight face when he told reporters last week the government had abandoned plans for a blanket handgun ban but would act to ban “assault-style weapons” quickly after the next election, because they “are so dangerous … there’s no place in a safe and civil society for them.”
So dangerous, the government must act. But … not so dangerous the government must act now. Why? Because Trudeau, thankfully, has moved on.
They’ll get to it soon-ish. Right after we re-elect them. Eventually. Maybe. Or not.
Gun owners can breathe a bit easier. For now.
Sadly, so can the subhuman thugs who murder kids with guns. Who carry guns in public. Who shoot people in crowds. Because, while Trudeau’s government has been steadfastly focused on ways to seize rifles from the innocent people who are least likely to ever hurt anybody with their firearms, they’ve done absolutely nothing to crack down on the gangs who kill with impunity on our streets.
Please, Mr. Prime Minister – do not make a promise to get tough on gangs. No announcement. No new laws. Canada already has all the laws it needs to make our streets safer.
All we are lacking is a government, a prime minister, with the guts to act.
Just do it. Or, move on in October.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/towhey-trudeaus-ban-promise-good-news-for-gun-owners
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Regardless, methinks we all know just what to do when October rolls around... ;)
Cheers,
Nog
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In a preview of the election messaging likely coming this fall, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the Liberals will be promising more gun control measures while Conservative leader Andrew Scheer will roll back some measures already passed.
“We look forward to the very next time Parliament is sitting, hopefully under a Liberal government, where we will be able to introduce further measures to strengthen measures against guns,” Trudeau told reporters at an event with Toronto Mayor John Tory.
nationalpost.com/news/politics/meeting-with-torontos-mayor-trudeau-promises-more-gun-control-and-goes-on-the-attack-against-scheer (http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/meeting-with-torontos-mayor-trudeau-promises-more-gun-control-and-goes-on-the-attack-against-scheer)
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Blair thickens the plot...
thegunblog.ca/2019/09/17/liberals-to-restrict-gun-owners-in-cities-bill-blair-tells-cbc/ (http://thegunblog.ca/2019/09/17/liberals-to-restrict-gun-owners-in-cities-bill-blair-tells-cbc/)
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Truth Tracker: A look at Trudeau's claim that Conservatives are 'in the pocket of the gun lobby'
Faced with questions about a rash of gun violence in some Canadian cities -- most notably in the Toronto area -- Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said his party has a plan to "strengthen gun control" and accused the Conservatives of being “in the pocket of the gun lobby.”
election.ctvnews.ca/truth-tracker-a-look-at-trudeau-s-claim-that-conservatives-are-in-the-pocket-of-the-gun-lobby-1.4598132 (http://election.ctvnews.ca/truth-tracker-a-look-at-trudeau-s-claim-that-conservatives-are-in-the-pocket-of-the-gun-lobby-1.4598132)
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Methinks Blair has a very serious problem. Make me Happy!!
Bill Blair says he never saw plea for help from amputee now running against him
Border Security Minister Bill Blair says he never saw an appeal for help from a disabled soon-to-be-former air force officer who is now challenging him in the upcoming federal election.
Fawcett — who lost a court challenge of the military's refusal to pay her disability benefits for a 2006 traffic accident that claimed both the life of her infant son and her leg — is the nominated federal Conservative candidate in the Toronto-area riding of Scarborough Southwest.
On Thursday, the minister's staff at first denied having received any notes whatsoever pertaining to Fawcett's case. They reversed themselves later in the day after CBC News produced a copy of her email.
The two did exchange emails early in 2017, when — according to Blair — Fawcett sought his support in applying for a Senate seat, two of which were vacant at the time.
They've met on only one occasion, Blair said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-blair-kimberly-fawcett-amputee-1.5120953
Typical LIEberal, attempting to lie his way out of it, then shrugging it off when he gets caught!
I wish ALL THE BEST for Capt. Kimberly Fawcett in her run against this slimeball!
Cheers,
Nog
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Yes, it took the Liberals their full mandate to pass their lone gun control measure. What it did was create paperwork for law-abiding gun owners, while failing to deal with the real problem of gangsters with illegal guns.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-offers-false-hope-and-empty-promises-on-gun-violence
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lets hope clownshoes doesnt get re elected, im not about to give up thousands of dollars of my property.
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The Vancouver Police Department opposes Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mayor Kennedy Stewart’s goal of banning federally licensed handgun owners and stores from Canada’s third-largest city.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/09/24/vancouver-police-opposes-trudeau-stewart-calls-for-handgun-ban/
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Young Canadians' love affair with Trudeau on shaky ground as election nears
OTTAWA/TORONTO — Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may be renowned internationally for his youthful persona and social media savvy, but even before the embarrassment of his recent blackface makeup scandal there were concerns about the support he needs from younger voters to win re-election.
https://theprovince.com/pmn/elections-pmn/young-canadians-love-affair-with-trudeau-on-shaky-ground-as-election-nears/wcm/d26a06d8-c723-4c34-9748-c8f32d2295b9
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Trudeau goes for fear over facts once again on gun violence
... doctors were talking about dealing with the violence, the pain and the carnage caused illegal guns wielded by gang members shooting up city streets across the country. Trudeau’s proposals, meanwhile, only targets law-abiding and licensed gun owners.
Have you ever heard of a gang member, Mafia boss or biker buying the guns they use in criminal activity at the local gun store after applying to the RCMP for a licence?
The answer is an obvious no.
Yet, Trudeau is hoping that most people don’t make the connection, don’t ask the obvious questions. The AR-15 rifle that he continues to reference has no history as a crime gun in Canada. I’ve found one instance of this gun being used in a crime in the more than 50 years that the gun has been legal in Canada.
If Trudeau wanted to deal with the concerns raised by the doctors he was sitting with, he would be focussed on solutions that deal with crime guns and not the people shooting lawfully at the range on the weekend.
By making the choices that he has, Trudeau shows he wants easy votes rather than real solutions.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-goes-for-fear-over-facts-once-again-on-gun-violence
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The Liberal handgun proposal is breathtakingly stupid
For political reasons, they felt like they had to do something. 'Do something' are the two scariest words in politics
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-the-liberal-handgun-proposal-is-breathtakingly-stupid
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Trudeau Is Promising Mass Gun Confiscations He Once Mocked
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/02/trudeau-is-promising-mass-gun-confiscations-he-once-mocked/
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Poll shows Trudeau gun control promises firing blanks
Trudeau hoped that he would be able to campaign on fear of guns, but for the most part, it doesn’t look like that campaign is working.
If votes are the reason for this policy, it isn’t working.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-poll-shows-trudeau-gun-control-promises-firing-blanks
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Put these thugs behind bars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jv8oBzKKjs
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Scheer's gangs plan vs. Trudeau's gun ban
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-scheers-gangs-plan-vs-trudeaus-gun-ban
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Trudeau's AR-15 ban is about perception, not reality
The Liberal policy will do nothing to stop criminals. It will amount to nothing more than virtue signalling that costs taxpayers hundreds of millions and confiscates private property from law-abiding gun owners who are no threat to anyone.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-trudeaus-ar-15-ban-is-about-perception-not-reality
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Watch out for Liberal gun plan and hunting rifles
“In his efforts to pander to ‘progressive voters in the Toronto region, Justin Trudeau promised to ban 250,000 rifles,” said the headline on executive director Tony Bernardo’s letter, labelled “COMMENTARY” in boldface.
“There are only 75,000 AR-15 target rifles registered with the RCMP,” Bernardo’s newsletter says.
“So the obvious question for owners of ‘Non-Restricted rifles is this: “How many of my guns is Trudeau going to confiscate?” the letter says.
“A list will be provided and presented at the appropriate time when we bring forward those new regulations,” said Blair, in the half-hour exchange later posted on the CCFR’s Facebook page.
Giltaca and the CCFR have also warned the Liberal gun plan will eventually extend to non-restricted rifles and shotguns.
https://ipolitics.ca/2019/10/10/watch-out-for-liberal-gun-plan-and-hunting-rifles-sport-shooter-warns/
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Liberal Gun Bans Won’t Stop Gangs, Ex-RCMP Clement Tells CBC
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/15/liberal-gun-bans-wont-stop-gangs-ex-rcmp-clement-tells-cbc/
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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will elaborate on his plans for mass gun bans against hunters, farmers and sport shooters after parliament resumes next month, the office of his minister for confiscation said today.
Federally licensed firearm users are working to stop or avoid Trudeau’s incarceration/confiscation orders and wondering how soon they may take effect following his Oct. 21 re-election.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/trudeau-to-update-on-gun-bans-after-nov-20-blairs-office-says/
... the Premier has been clear on a hand gun ban. The Premier doesn’t believe in blaming law-abiding hunters and gun-owners for the crimes of gang members. He supports evidence based decisions and stands with of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.
https://thegunblog.ca/2019/10/24/ontario-premier-fords-office-comments-on-trudeau-gun-bans/
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What's coming down the pipe? A Look into CSSA’s Crystal Ball
by Tony Bernardo - CSSA Executive Director
Many (many!) firearm owners have called and written since the election asking, “What will happen next?” Here’s what we know so far, and what we foresee in the near future.
Bill C-71 will be implemented, in full, probably by the new year. This will do several things – none of them good.
First, owners of Swiss Arms Classic firearms and CZ-858 rifles will be forced to register them as “Prohibited” 12(11) and 12(14) firearms. They will be permitted to keep these guns (for now), and these firearms will have range privileges attached to their “Prohibited” designation.
Registered owners will also have grandfathering “privileges” (aka confiscation by the State when you die) added to their firearm licenses.
There may be a time lag as CFOs across Canada change Range Permits to reflect the legislative shift, i.e., a change from “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms and 12(6) handguns” to “All ‘Non-Restricted’ firearms, 12(6) handguns, 12(11) and 12(14) rifles.”
How long will these changes take? We don’t know, so stay tuned.
Second, anyone wishing to transfer a Non-Restricted firearm will be forced to obtain a reference number from the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC). An owner must contact the CFC, enter the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) information for both the seller and buyer in order to obtain a reference number before a sale, loan or gift transaction may be completed.
This is a permanent record – yet the government claims they aren't bringing back a long gun registry. Right…
Third, Retailers will be forced to keep sales records, now deemed to be “government documents,” for 20 years – and must surrender them to the CFO upon demand.
Fourth, automatic Authorizations to Transport (ATT) for travel to and from clubs within the RPAL holder's province of residence for the purpose of target practice will remain as they are today. ATTs to bring a firearm home from a sale will also be automatic.
However, a new ATT will be required to take a firearm to a gun store, a gunsmith, a gun show and a border crossing. It is unknown if these will be paper or electronic ATTs.
Fifth, our elected officials, the people we elect to make our laws, will no longer be involved in firearms classifications. The RCMP has sole authority to classify firearms and there is no appeal mechanism to correct their (many) mistakes.
On October 23, 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau outlined the priorities his new government will address. Firearms issues were not among the priorities stated. However, he fell short of saying they would not be addressed.
The Public Safety Ministry has their marching orders. While their first priority will be breaking in and educating their new Minister (because Ralph Goodale lost his seat!), do not believe for a moment that the firearms file is dead, or even on the back burner. It’s not.
What’s changed is Ottawa’s power dynamic.
With the Trudeau government's new minority stature, the Liberals are dependent on other political parties to help them pass legislation. This requires some “give and take” on the part of the Liberals for most issues, but there is little hope this “give and take” will apply to the firearms file.
On this front, it will only be “take” because the NDP has long supported a ban on black rifles and handguns, as does the Green Party.
While the Bloc Québécois did not declare their position during the election, there is no evidence to support the premise Bloc Québécois will oppose Liberal gun bans.
Trudeau’s Liberal government will have plenty of support to screw over Canadians for their black rifles, and this will not stop at the AR-15.
The Liberals already stated the Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles, along with the ubiquitous SKS rifle, will be banned and confiscated. There will be many more.
With the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois complicit in Trudeau’s gun bans, their expansion to include handguns is a forgone conclusion. While citing their resistance to banning handguns during the election campaign, the Liberals will claim pressure from the NDP, Greens and Bloc Québécois “forced” them into it.
Trudeau will follow New Zealand’s example, so pump-action and lever action rifles and shotguns can't be far behind.
Despite Trudeau's claim he respects hunters, it’s clear these assurances were little more than lip service designed to appeal to the feeble minded.
Clearly there is no place for Canada's 2.2 million gun owners in Trudeau's confederation. But once again, CSSA will be at the head of the pack, working to protect the rights of Canada's gun owners. Stay tuned for more!
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Ottawa – December 2, 2019
In anticipation of the return to parliament this week, the CCFR’s Tracey Wilson penned and submitted a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair. The letter was sent on behalf of licensed, legal, RCMP vetted gun owners from coast to coast to coast to implore the Liberal government to focus on actual crime and violence rather than implement expensive punitive measures against the very people not committing the crime.
Canadians deserve more than political theatre from our leaders
The Letter:
Hon. Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada Hon. Bill Blair, Minister of Public Safety & Emergency Preparedness House of Commons Ottawa, Canada
Dear Sirs, We write to you today to express our grave concern with some proposed policies coming from your government. As you are aware, there are over 2.2 million licensed, RCMP vetted gun owners across our nation who participate in the shooting sports safely and without issue. We also have a rising gang violence issue in many of our cities and urban areas, fueled by the illicit drug trade and armed with illegal, smuggled guns. These two statements are easily validated and separate in nature.
Your government is considering implementing firearms bans and a buy back program for legal guns. This would be a huge undertaking, with considerable costs rising into the hundreds of millions of dollars, just for sporting rifles alone. If you were to add handguns to the equation this project could soar well into the billion-dollar mark. Historically, firearms have a history in this country since long before Confederation and Canadians own them for good and sufficient reasons. It is well established that they are not the source of violent crime.
Measures such as gun bans would also cost Canada tens of thousands of jobs, close family businesses that have survived generations of ownership and remove billions of dollars from our GDP and tax revenue sources, all with no credible evidence it would have a positive impact on public safety.
We are of the opinion, after consulting with victims groups, survivors impacted by the trauma of gun violence, at-risk youth programs, law enforcement leaders, Canadian Chiefs of Police, and other experts, that these considerable resources would be better served addressing the root causes of violence, treating the victims of trauma, increasing technology at the border to reduce smuggling of illicit firearms and invest in the community programs that would benefit the people most affected. It is noted that none of these groups support gun bans of any kind.
We ask you to consider more effective measures and listen to the voices of those most affected. This country doesn’t operate on unlimited funds, so it is incumbent on all of us to reject the idea of costly and ineffective bans and re-focus on more beneficial measures.
Tracey Wilson VP, Public Relations – Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights www.firearmrights.catracey.wilson@firearmrights.ca
https://firearmrights.ca/en/ccfr-issues-letter-to-the-liberal-government/