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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: IronNoggin on May 21, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
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Forgive me for coming across so jaded with the department, but given happenings of late it is tough for some of us not to...
White Sturgeon (Upper Fraser River designatable unit): consultation on the potential listing under the Species at Risk Act
The Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC) has performed an assessment of White Sturgeon (Upper Fraser River designatable unit [DU]) and found it to be endangered.
Before deciding whether the Upper Fraser River designatable unit of White Sturgeon (Acipenser transmontanus) will be added to the List of Wildlife Species at Risk as endangered, the Government of Canada would like to hear your opinion, comments, and suggestions regarding the possible ecological, cultural, and economic impacts of listing or not listing this species under SARA.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/species-especes/consultations/whitesturgeon-esturgeonblanc-fraser/index-eng.html
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This upper river population is upstream of Hope, is that correct?
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above William's Lake Creek. There is currently no fishing for White Sturgeon in the Fraser watershed above that point.
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above William's Lake Creek. There is currently no fishing for White Sturgeon in the Fraser watershed above that point.
I think that's the old definition, from when the Fraser population was divided in to "Nationally Significant Populations" (NSPs), Upper Fraser, Nechako, Middle Fraser, and Lower Fraser. Now the first 3 groups have been collapsed into one "DU" called Upper Fraser. Their survey included asking anglers in Lillooet if they would stop fishing if the river was closed there for sturgeon fishing, so it seems to include the group formerly called Middle Fraser.
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(https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/species-risk-public-registry/consultation-documents/white-sturgeon-2019/_jcr_content/par/mwsadaptiveimage/image.img.jpg/1557237686437.jpg)
The Upper Fraser River designatable unit of White Sturgeon includes the Middle Fraser, Upper Fraser and Nechako populations, outlined in red box. Source: DFO 2014. Recovery Strategy for White Sturgeon in Canada.
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No, the Upper Fraser River DU for white sturgeon does not include the portion in Region 2.
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/species-risk-public-registry/consultation-documents/white-sturgeon-2019.html
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No, the Upper Fraser River DU for white sturgeon does not include the portion in Region 2.
Link or Proof Rod?
The map, and the designation is actually listed in the link you provided???
Wondering...
Nog
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Link or Proof Rod?
The map, and the designation is actually listed in the link you provided???
Wondering...
Nog
That's right. Region 2 of the Fraser River is outside of the red box in the diagram you provided.
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Yep, Spuzzum seems to be the boundary for region 2.
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Don't care because they will never be listed under SARA. If they were it would become
"If the Upper Fraser River designatable unit of White Sturgeon is listed as endangered, the prohibitions of SARA would immediately come into effect in Canadian waters. It would be illegal to kill, harm, harass, capture, possess, buy, sell, or trade individuals of the species. However, activities that may affect the species or its critical habitat may be permitted under SARA section 73-74, or exempt under section 83, where that activity does not jeopardize the survival or recovery of the species."
They won't be listed for the same reason that Interior fraser steelhead won't be listed. It would ban all fisheries including FSC net fisheries.
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Once again.....why do some people think that the worst won't happen when it involves the DFO and us sporties. The worst WILL happen...not IF...but WHEN.
The endangered area is not only the same watershed as the Region 2 sturgeon fishery, but its also the same mainstream river.
The argument from them will be that the fish mingle in ALL areas and need total closure on catch and release....regardless of what science is presented. We've all seen this a 1000 times already, that science is not winning any arguments in regards to the salmon fishery....and it won't with sturgeon either....They want us OFF the river....period.
Closing the sturgeon guiding and sports fishery is the last, final nail in the coffin for sporties on the Fraser.
Anyone who doesn't think this is part of the complete agenda for the Fraser sports fishery has their head real deep in the sand.
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They won't be listed for the same reason that Interior fraser steelhead won't be listed. It would ban all fisheries including FSC net fisheries.
I wish I believed this, but have you not been paying attention to the Chinook openings on the Fraser this spring?
It doesn't matter if they close the sturgeon fishery....the FN will still be out there gill netting...nothing will change that.
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Yep, Spuzzum seems to be the boundary for region 2.
from Rod's link:
The Upper Fraser River designatable unit of White Sturgeon extends from Hell’s Gate to McBride in the Fraser River and from the confluence with the Fraser River to Fraser and Trembleur lakes in the Nechako River.
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/species-risk-public-registry/consultation-documents/white-sturgeon-2019.html
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I wish I believed this, but have you not been paying attention to the Chinook openings on the Fraser this spring?
It doesn't matter if they close the sturgeon fishery....the FN will still be out there gill netting...nothing will change that.
I talked personally to the lady carrying out the SARA process for steelhead, the act is a big blunt instrument that prohibits pretty much everything. In her opinion that is why fish stocks never get listed. The social and economic cost is to much.
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I talked personally to the lady carrying out the SARA process for steelhead, the act is a big blunt instrument that prohibits pretty much everything. In her opinion that is why fish stocks never get listed. The social and economic cost is to much.
Yeah....I guess the West Coast salmon fishery value at what?? 500 million plus isn't a high social and economic cost???....but guess what? Its pretty much closed....the sturgeon is just a matter of time.
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Yeah....I guess the West Coast salmon fishery value at what?? 500 million plus isn't a high social and economic cost???....but guess what? Its pretty much closed....the sturgeon is just a matter of time.
While I agree on the sturgeon issue, there are other considerations involved with the current shut down of the Chinook sports & commercial fisheries.
This is a blatant and obvious attempt (so far working) by the LIEberals to reallocate the resource without compensation. Been on their books for a spell now. Given the upcoming election and their dismal failure with pretty much every single line item in the FN portfolio, word came down (apparently directly from the PMO btw) to ensure this went through. Anyone who cannot figure this aspect out should really reconsider the blinders they have on.
Has NADA to do with "conservation" (as witnessed by the continuing openings) nor anything to do with the SARA listing on the whales. It is a resource grab through & through. Period.
Nog
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Yeah....I guess the West Coast salmon fishery value at what?? 500 million plus isn't a high social and economic cost???....but guess what? Its pretty much closed....the sturgeon is just a matter of time.
It's only closed for chinook and its BS, but if Steelhead got listed it would be banned for all fin fish. There is a big difference
I agree tho, people that think the lower fraser sturg fishery will remain the same are kidding themselves. Many difference fractions trying to get it shut down or reduced.
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So... Did everyone have a good weekend fishing? lol! ;D
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So... Did everyone have a good weekend fishing? lol! ;D
Pretty good actually lol... Most of the lakes are producing right now in the Interior...
https://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/photos/a.377539272711/10156461395762712/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/photos/a.10156282074432712/10156459171157712/?type=3&theater
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While I agree on the sturgeon issue, there are other considerations involved with the current shut down of the Chinook sports & commercial fisheries.
This is a blatant and obvious attempt (so far working) by the LIEberals to reallocate the resource without compensation. Been on their books for a spell now. Given the upcoming election and their dismal failure with pretty much every single line item in the FN portfolio, word came down (apparently directly from the PMO btw) to ensure this went through. Anyone who cannot figure this aspect out should really reconsider the blinders they have on.
Has NADA to do with "conservation" (as witnessed by the continuing openings) nor anything to do with the SARA listing on the whales. It is a resource grab through & through. Period.
Nog
Just a matter of time before Nog would blame the Liberals for everything. So predictable. Tories were in power for a while and how did it worked out for the fishery.
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Yeah....I guess the West Coast salmon fishery value at what?? 500 million plus isn't a high social and economic cost???....but guess what? Its pretty much closed....the sturgeon is just a matter of time.
Agreed !
Then the FN bands along the river will finally get their opening for Sturgeon once the salmon stocks are depleted