Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on May 10, 2019, 04:45:36 PM
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https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2019/05/government-of-canada-announces-enhanced-measures-for-protecting-british-columbias-southern-resident-killer-whales.html
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Guaranteed it will be the Harrison Whites and not the Summer Reds.....cause that is just the way things are going for the sporties.
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It’s whites because they have higher survival rates and spend their time in local waters. There is also a bunch of other reasons for SRKW. They make up more of their diet then the reds, the migrate in fall where SRKW food sources are less ect
Harrison whites are the bred and budder of the local ocean fishery. Well before the closure
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In the early 90s, the summer fishery for the Red Springs on the Vedder was a dream...…for about 2-3 weeks right from opening day, I rarely got skunked and the fish were in great shape.....good sizes too.
Like most good kill fisheries......those days are gone.
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I guess there will be more of this going on. I filmed this a few years ago.https://youtu.be/dI1Os8QDttI
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Bunch of negative Nancies. ;D More fish produced doesn't mean more fish are coming back, these are all going to be eaten by killer whales. ;D
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I can't readily find the fry release stats for the hatchery. So, I'm curious..
1) What % increase is 1M over the current average release #s?
2) Do they foresee any issues getting enough brood stock to produce additional 1M?
3) Presumably the enhanced production would begin in Fall, 2019. Chwk whites return as 4 year olds, yes?, so we would see great whites returning to the river in 2023 (if the orcas don't eat them all first :) )?
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I can't readily find the fry release stats for the hatchery. So, I'm curious..
1) What % increase is 1M over the current average release #s?
2) Do they foresee any issues getting enough brood stock to produce additional 1M?
3) Presumably the enhanced production would begin in Fall, 2019. Chwk whites return as 4 year olds, yes?, so we would see great whites returning to the river in 2023 (if the orcas don't eat them all first :) )?
or a whole bunch of jacks earlier
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Great news. The CV is now a perfect food bank for the seal population. Good job feds. Keep up the good werk
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I can't readily find the fry release stats for the hatchery. So, I'm curious..
1) What % increase is 1M over the current average release #s?
2) Do they foresee any issues getting enough brood stock to produce additional 1M?
3) Presumably the enhanced production would begin in Fall, 2019. Chwk whites return as 4 year olds, yes?, so we would see great whites returning to the river in 2023 (if the orcas don't eat them all first :) )?
Some of the answers you seek are in the IFMP
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IFMP?
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IFMP?
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/szdnyx8ui3a891l/AAD111_a8wsfyk0BUicKD_Pga?dl=0
here is another good link if you want to see hatchery production numbers
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/projects-projets/ifmp-pgip-eng.html
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Just to throw a little truth and transparency in all this.
I'm shocked (well not really) that the only reason they are finally taking the chinook stocks of concern seriously is because of a bunch of endangered whales. Are the salmon only important now because we are losing whales? If anyone ever questioned the government's actual concern over the salmon themselves...this should answer those questions. The government STILL does NOT care about the salmon. They care about the whales.....TRUTH proven by the current action taken. I'm not saying they shouldn't care about the whales....but why is ok to not care about the salmon?
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Current fall white releases are 1 million, so we are talking about doubling that run. The hatchery website suggests these fry are only reared at the hatchery for 2 months before release, so hopefully they don't take up space/resources that are currently used for coho or steelhead.
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Like many of the coastal stocks they are known to rear in stream for no more than a few months before they head to the ocean. Unless they have excess capacity to incubate eggs and rear fry, something has to give.
As far as 'caring' about salmon as much as SRKW, DFO enhancement project release hundreds of millions of young salmon every year. Isn't that caring enough?
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I'm not saying they shouldn't care about the whales....but why is ok to not care about the salmon?
Species that are recognizable by the non-fishing public get more protection. It's why white sturgeon get more attention than nooksack dace :P
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As far as 'caring' about salmon as much as SRKW, DFO enhancement project release hundreds of millions of young salmon every year. Isn't that caring enough?
I see Ralph still lives in a fantasy land far far away from reality.
Also....if you read the post....I said 'government', not 'DFO', not that there is much of a difference anyway.
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You ever checked out the numbers? It surprised me and I am not surprised you think it's a spoof. However it is real.
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You ever checked out the numbers? It surprised me and I am not surprised you think it's a spoof. However it is real.
I never said I didn't believe the numbers. What I don't believe is that the government cares about the salmon. They don't care....and just because they release hundreds of millions of young salmon each year doesn't mean they care.....if you go back a few decades, those numbers of released young salmon were substantially higher. Hatchery production in BC has faced cut after cut after cut year after year for almost 30 years now....So again....the government doesn't care about the salmon.
At the end of the day, the government sees the Fraser River with 20+ damns producing billions of dollars in hydro electricity. The sooner the salmon are gone, the sooner it happens.....but wait....now we have a whale problem that a larger portion of the public is concerned about. What to do? What to do? But whether we talk about dams, whales, or salmon......the salmon will be at the bottom of the list.....and when or if they do ever concern themselves with salmon.....the sporties are at the bottom of that list....so for us guys who like to bring home a salmon for dinner here and there.....the future is very bleak.
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The real story in all of this is that they don't give 2 f@#s about the endangered Fraser runs just about the cuddly whales for tourists to see (even up closer if you have the right license)
Just garbage lip service with no management plan.
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Chinook production is going to be increased for 5 years!??? These are whales, not rabbits. If it successful, the population might increase by two. Any serious program for the whales will need to have a 50 year outlook.