Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Rodney on April 30, 2019, 09:43:58 AM
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https://gitxsan.ca/2019fishingban/
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Is it open or is it closed?
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Bring a rod up, there's only one way to find out. ;)
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They ban the fishing every year. Don't bother it anymore
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If the Gitxsan win this, ie. no government intervention backing sportsfishers, fisheries management in BC will be changed forever. Interesting times ahead.
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Typical rascit attitude. We were here first so that makes us better than every other ethnic group in Canada.
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Typical rascit attitude. We were here first so that makes us better than every other ethnic group in Canada.
How come all the poor, underprivileged white guys call racism every time someone of a different colour does something they don’t like? I haven’t seen anything that says that Indians or any other ethnic group are allowed to fish recreationally. How is it racist to ban everyone? To meet the definition of racism, or any educated meaning, one group has to promote itself above another as being superior.
Nobody cries racism when Douglas lake ranch only allows rich people on their land, nobody cries racism when Queen Charlotte lodge only advertises in Alberta, nobody cries racism when brown guys shoot only brown guys but as soon as our white privilege is challenged everyone is racist. Quit using lousy arguments because you are butt hurt about something and try an intelligent response.
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How come all the poor, underprivileged white guys call racism every time someone of a different colour does something they don’t like? I haven’t seen anything that says that Indians or any other ethnic group are allowed to fish recreationally. How is it racist to ban everyone? To meet the definition of racism, or any educated meaning, one group has to promote itself above another as being superior.
Nobody cries racism when Douglas lake ranch only allows rich people on their land, nobody cries racism when Queen Charlotte lodge only advertises in Alberta, nobody cries racism when brown guys shoot only brown guys but as soon as our white privilege is challenged everyone is racist. Quit using lousy arguments because you are butt hurt about something and try an intelligent response.
I am neither poor or 100% caucasian and if you think they only eat the fish they catch for ceremonial purposes....... you are completely delusional and should probably stop talking.
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Curious to see how they intend on enforcing this. IIRC it was the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs that banned TransCanada from trespassing on their land and set up the protest camps along the access roads, and we all know how that played out.
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I am neither poor or 100% caucasian and if you think they only eat the fish they catch for ceremonial purposes....... you are completely delusional and should probably stop talking.
Great comeback
Its good to hear that you're not 100% Caucasian but I am not sure how that is relevant to what I posted and I am pretty that they don't just eat the ceremonial fish because "they" probably eat lots of other stuff. "They" probably eat salmon that are caught for food too. And an occasional salad.
The delusional statement is funny coming from someone who can't actually form a coherent thought and put it in writing. Good for you on spelling delusional though.
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Great comeback
Its good to hear that you're not 100% Caucasian but I am not sure how that is relevant to what I posted and I am pretty that they don't just eat the ceremonial fish because "they" probably eat lots of other stuff. "They" probably eat salmon that are caught for food too. And an occasional salad.
The delusional statement is funny coming from someone who can't actually form a coherent thought and put it in writing. Good for you on spelling delusional though.
Non of what I said was meant to be a comeback. I stand by what I said at the start. The "we were here first" mentality is racist.
One ethnic group is not better than another based on time of arrival. If that's the case maybe the descendants of French settlers should have tax free reservations in Quebec, Atlantic Canada and Manitoba. The French had their land taken away by the British. Why not ? Seems fair right ? They are after all better than every other settler in this land right ? They were here second. The French in this land already face criticism because of some policies aimed at protecting their heritage. NOBODY EVER criticizes FN groups when they do the same thing. EVER.
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All their trying to do is turn the entire skeena watershed into the patch on the kispiox. Nothing more nothing less. Just a cash grab
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I don’t think that’s what’s happening, Potato Patch happens to fall on Kispiox Reserve land and they charge for anyone fishing on their reserve land, have been doing so forever. Everywhere upstream of that is Crown/Private and you don’t run into any pay to play issues with the FN.
This appears to be the hereditary chiefs going after the little guy to keep the eyes and ears off the river as they continue business as usual on the river. Something like this would have never happened before the social media age where posting information is as easy as a click of a button.
I still want to see what their plans are for enforcement of this and what legal authority they have to remove you from the river.
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The French had their land taken away by the British
...you better tell that to the Quebecois who own land in Quebec, then try moving in!
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All their trying to do is turn the entire skeena watershed into the patch on the kispiox. Nothing more nothing less. Just a cash grab
Bob Hooton certainly agrees
"They claim up to 90 per cent of its members have abstained from harvesting salmon until the numbers return". With 14,000 Gitxsan members spread all over the western world it is not inconceivable a high percentage was not around the Skeena in 2018 and therefore qualified as abstaining from harvesting salmon. That other 10% (i.e. 1400) must have been pretty busy though because DFO tells us they reported landing more than 8,000 chinook in the mainstem Skeena. If anyone thinks the catch reported to DFO represents the total catch I suggest they do some on the water research.
Thirty-eight hereditary chiefs spread across a vast area and those of us who might like to skate a dry fly across a piece of water in their traditional territory will be compelled to seek permission from the appropriate chief?! I'm betting a large proportion of those chiefs are all but impossible to track down in-season. And, if anyone does, it sure appears as though money will be the ticket to fishing opportunity. Remember the Ecstall? Think about how many deep pocket non-Canadians own fishing lodges and control rod day quotas on classified waters. This Gitxsan ultimatum is another perfect set up for money to buy exclusive fishing privileges those of us who pay the freight for government fisheries management can't begin to outbid the rich and famous for.
How about an audit of that Kispiox Band pay to play program over the past 3 years? How much money and where did it end up? Why did guides get essentially a free pass?
Its all good that the Gitxsan people are taking command of the Skeena (inland) fishery. Perhaps they will wake up and smell the coffee on how many of them are already commercial fishermen and/or vessel owners. That would be the good people whom they claim are the enemy of salmon conservation. In the meantime, beat up on those river anglers who, at best, get to fish with single barbless hooks and artificial lures on a catch and release only basis right beside Gitxsan gill nets.
Remind me why we pay fisheries managers and elect politicians who can do no better than sit on their hands and watch chaos unfold. Hello Wilkinson, Donaldson, Cullen...............HELLO!
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...you better tell that to the Quebecois who own land in Quebec, then try moving in!
Another brilliant post. The Quebecois in Quebec aren't French, they're Canadian. You are probably confused because some of them speak French but the land was given to the British a long time ago. Just after some skirmish on the Plains of Abraham i think.
Of course where Hike and Fish mistake lies is in the fact that the French and English negotiated a transaction for Lower Canada unlike most of the interactions with the indigenous people in Canada where no treaties or purchase was consummated
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Another brilliant post. The Quebecois in Quebec aren't French, they're Canadian. You are probably confused because some of them speak French but the land was given to the British a long time ago. Just after some skirmish on the Plains of Abraham i think.
Of course where Hike and Fish mistake lies is in the fact that the French and English negotiated a transaction for Lower Canada unlike most of the interactions with the indigenous people in Canada where no treaties or purchase was consummated
Did I call them French? I referred to them as they refer to themselves. In Quebec over 80% of the population claims French as their first language and 95% of residents speak French. Sounds like a little more than some.
The Point is, as you vaguely recognize, after the British Victory of the Plains of Abraham the people in Quebec kept their property rights, only the ruling government changed. Much the same with FNs in Canada. They kept their rights.
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And look in 2019 we have nations within a nation. The Harper government recognized Quebec ad an independent Nation within Canada and we also have independent Native nations within Canada. Boy how unifying that is. Even the change of language from Indian to Native and now First Nations. Everytime I say First Nations it subconsciously tells my little brain that they were here first and my evil colonial ancestors stole their land, raped their mothers and daughters and killed their brothers and fathers. I can even feel the waves of white guilt wash over my body. Even when I attend my local Chamber meetings the daily speaker HAS to recognize the fact that we are blessed to be on the traditional lands of the qʼʷa:n̓ƛʼən̓ people reinforcing white guilt.
Will we ever be a unified people ? Doesnt look that way. Seems like this is what the government wants. People against people and never focusing on the REAL issues and the powerful people that make them.
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The concept of Nation is usually some sort of linguistic, ethnic and religious uniformity. Canada never had this and that is why Canada is properly considered a Federation.
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The concept of Nation is usually some sort of linguistic, ethnic and religious uniformity. Canada never had this and that is why Canada is properly considered a Federation.
Not too many things that come out of your head that I agree with but we do see eye to eye on that one that's for sure.
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Gitxsan Chiefs answer confusion regarding recent fishing ban
Further information has been released by the Gitxsan Hereditary Chiefs to alleviate any confusion around their fishing ban.
Earlier this year, the Band announced the closure of salmon fishing activites on their territories.
Under Gitxsan traditional law, this means that band members are only permitted to utilize their own house group’s fishing hole.
In order to use another Gitxsan site, they would need to seek permission from that house group’s Chief.
According to the Band’s statement, current provincial and federal law does not permit trespassing by those holding a fishing permit or guide license.
The ban is currently in effect at all tenured fisheries in the Skeena Watershed, between Legate Creek, and the Upper Skeena to the north.
A copy of the statement follows:
https://www.cfnrfm.ca/2019/05/22/gitxsan-chiefs-answer-confusion-regarding-recent-fishing-ban/
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So, just to revive this thread...
I want to head up to the Skeena area at the end of August...as long as I'm following the regs, it's still legal?
This is confusing.
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Its open
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Me again!!!
Stop by Oscars Fly & Tackle shop in Smithers...
They will be able to tell you where to go...
I want to go too... I had the same question... At the moment, the people at Oscars had no idea and DFO were not helping making things clearer...
Would not hurt asking them again...
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Fishery Notice
Category(s): RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject: FN0704-RECREATIONAL - Salmon - Region 6 - Skeena River Watershed - Closure Effective July 27, 2019
Effective at 00:00:01 hours July 27, 2019 until further notice - The Skeena
River watershed is closed to fishing for all salmon.
Skeena Sockeye returns continue to be below the identified conservation level
of 400,000 as described in the Northern BC Salmon IFMP, and the Department has
undertaken extensive consultations with First Nations and stakeholders
indicating that measures will need to be taken to address Sockeye conservation.
This closure is a part of the identified conservation measures.
Variation Oder #: 2019-RCT-408
Notes:
Possession limits are two times the daily limits.
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal waters and rivers
of British Columbia.
The term "marked" means a hatchery fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and
coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Anglers are advised to check http://bcsportfishguide.ca for fishing closures
and other recreational fishing information.
Tidal Water Sport Fishing Licences can be purchased via any computer connected
to the internet at
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/nrls-sndpp/index-eng.cfm
or by using Google search key words "Recfish Licence".
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Darren Chow
A/North Coast Recreational Fisheries Manager
250 627-3441
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0704
Sent July 25, 2019 at 1630
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So....if a DFO or Conservation officer were to ask me what I was fishing for, and I responded with "trout"...could I get in trouble?
I have a trip planned up there at the end of Aug, and im totally bummed to be honest about this.
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When the Fraser was closed last year a group set up a legal protest bar fishery for "steelhead" to show that bar fishing is a selective fishery. I would think you could use the same/similar excuse that you are fishing for steelhead but the river will probably reopen once the sockeye pass through
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I was thinking about doing that.
I used that excuse when they closed the pinks down on the fraser 2 years ago. I was fishing for "pikeminnow". Ironically, I actually caught a lot of pike minnow on that trip :p
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Skeena First Nations call for closure of recreational Chinook fishery
Bill Fee
July 25, 2019 10:21 pm
July 25, 2019 10:21 pm
First Nations along the Skeena Watershed are calling on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to close the recreational Chinook salmon fishery.
The Gitxsan, the Wet’suwet’en, and Gitanyow, who rely on salmon for food and cultural purposes, are sounding the alarm about this year’s salmon returns to the Skeena River
The Nations say they are considering not engaging in any food fishery for Sockeye over concerns that returns of the prized species are not plentiful enough to maintain it in future years.
“We encourage all First Nations to conserve sockeye this year. Conservation of the salmon resource, which has sustained our culture, communities, and families for millennia is paramount. DFO needs to enforce closures. The sockeye shortage this year will result in First Nations families running short of their preferred food this winter, and any time we can’t fish or get enough fish there is a significant cultural impact.” said Wet’suwet’en Chief Namoks (John Ridsdale) in a news release.
Due to the sockeye shortage, the Nations plan to harvest as much Chinook as possible and say all fish beyond what is required for conservation should be available to their communities for food.
“We need DFO to understand the plain facts and act in accordance with Canadian law which gives First Nations a priority right to salmon after conservation needs are met. The numbers show that there is no surplus of Skeena Chinook for any non-First Nations harvest. The recreational fishery for Chinook in the Skeena River and bound for the Skeena River has to be closed now to preserve that valuable food for our people,” said Charlie Muldon, Coordinator of the Gitksan Watershed Authorities.