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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on February 05, 2019, 04:20:53 PM
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http://fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/files/2019-02-05-fraser-river-chinook-salmon-management-measures.pdf
Two scenarios are presented for the Lower Fraser River this year.
1) No fishing for chinook salmon all year, while pink salmon fishing opportunities may be available starting on August 23rd.
2) No fishing for salmon until August 22nd, chinook salmon opens for retention with 1 fish/day.
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You mean they know there will be a sufficient pink salmon return for an opening?
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Nope.
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How About start with zero netting for Chinook on the entire Fraser for 2019!
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How About start with zero netting for Chinook on the entire Fraser for 2019!
Never happen, nets will be out all summer, while the sportys sit on the shore and knit toques for Stealhead season.
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Never happen, nets will be out all summer, while the sportys sit on the shore and knit toques for Stealhead season.
;D ;D ;D
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You guys knit your own toques for steelheading?
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more like while sportys sit on the shore and watch DFO manage the Chinook fishery on the Fraser to zero!
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Well done admin ;)
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I still work once awhile.
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From SFBC site
Can we get a favor from all online here? Can we stop the thread briefly put aside the differences for a second. I have an urgent request from you guys tonight. I just sent this out on our SFAC Area 17 email list, and Facebook Page. This is pretty scary cupcakes, and I for one don't want to see any areas lose fisheries. But it takes like 5 minutes to send an e-mail. You all asked how you can help well here is your chance. Thanks guys. If you can write posts you can do this one.
Hi Everyone,
URGENT: Pending 2019 Fraser River Chinook Fishing Restrictions - Feedback Required To DFO
Right now our SFAB main board is meeting in Vancouver to discuss our recreational fishery for 2019. We have request from you.
These are the options in regards to changes to our Chinook Salmon fishery this year. The scenarios are listed below Scenario A and Scenario B.
This is VERY IMPORTANT we need you to send tonight a simple e-mail to the two following e-mail addresses within DFO. Do not bother with the minister at this point. Here are the email addresses. Please do not wait!
Jeff Grout, Regional Resource Manager, Salmon
Jeff.Grout@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
DFO Pacific Salmon Team
DFO.PacificSalmonRMT-EGRSaumonduPacifique.MPO@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
We request you do the following in your response:
1. Why Scenario A won't work for you ( shown below).
2. State the financial loss to the local economy with you not being able to fish this year. Be specific and put a dollar amount on it. Include everything you spend locally on your sport and where.
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You guys knit your own toques for steelheading?
After I’m done crocheting a blanket. 😁
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Sounds like Jeff is trying to do the sports fishing community a huge favor.
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I honestly dont know why anyone would want to retain a Fraser Chinook. The numbers are so bad compared to what they use to be ( allegedly). What makes this so difficult for people ( in my opinion) is we are trusting DFO to provide us with the proper numbers and fair rules. It's hard to understand when we dont see it with our own eyes. I've seen the Harrison Chum fishery fall apart over the last 15 years. I trust the data regarding the Fraser Chinook. All parties need to do what's right and step down.
My 2 cents.
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So much focus on the loss of privileges to harvest more fish, but just about everyone seems to have skipped a couple of items in that PDF file...
Page 2, the percentage of change from one brood year (2014) to the next (2018)... 92% decline for spring stocks! The rest had a average around 50% decline except one stock that had a slight increase...
WTF happened? Sockeye happened... What do you expect when you have an allowable 55% exploitation rate for sockeye salmon throughout August and September?
Page 10 and 11, just about every run of Fraser River chinook salmon is listed as endangered or threatened by COSEWIC. Only one run is considered not at risk.
If anyone thinks these runs actually have a chance in the next couple of decades with the current management approaches... lol... ok. These species are not the right path to extinction.
2,100 chinook salmon in the spring runs returned. That's the COMBINED number of a clusters of tributaries. Yet we are still considering "limited impact" chinook salmon FSC fisheries in the Lower Fraser between January 1st and August 10th???
Yeah I get it, one fish per day in the rec sector is not going to make a dent in the populations, our impacts are insignificant. If they're going to net, we gotta pressure for openings too. Conservation is always priority though, lets make that very clear....
I'm not going to pretend that I know what the answer is. I don't, but this is pretty screwed up. We might as well raise our hands up now and forget about these fish. It's done.
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If our Chinook stocks are in as bad a shape as what DFO is saying then there should be zero retention for all parties involved. Not even incidental by-catch while FN Sockeye fishing. Which based on projections for this year should also be shut down. I have fond memories of fishing for early Chinook at the mouth of the Vedder in April and May in the 1970's but due to a range of factors including over-fishing those days are gone. It's sad that my son and grandson will probably never get to experience that fishery again. I'm just grateful my son did get to experience some of the fabulous bar fishing the Fraser once offered, but sadly I think that's finished too.
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WTF happened? Sockeye happened... What do you expect when you have an allowable 55% exploitation rate for sockeye salmon throughout August and September?
Absolutely Rod this is how the South Thompson Chinook was down to just 2 thousand spawners in the 1980. When sockeye gill net fishing started to see a bunch of restrictions it rebounded up to over 100 thousand spawners. Now the gill net fleet has been hitting them hard since 2010 and now their numbers are down to less then 50k.
Sockeye seems too be the only thing they care about because it means big money to commercial fishermen and it's the prefered food of First Nations.
(https://i.imgur.com/91ja7MW.png)
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Yeah I get it, one fish per day in the rec sector is not going to make a dent in the populations, our impacts are insignificant. If they're going to net, we gotta pressure for openings too. Conservation is always priority though, lets make that very clear....
This is what I suffer with, I am all for the conservation measures but if your going to completely ignore one group then are they really conservation measures or just measure to make sure that other group can carry out their fishery and get their quota. Will more spawners actually make it to the spawning grounds under any of these options?
ER on Dome Ck (Upper Fraser)
Fishery ER
ISBM SBC Terminal (Fraser R) First Nations 41.2%
ISBM SBC JDF (Victoria) Sport 7.2%
ISBM Troll (S + N) South/North 6.4%
AABM North BC Troll 5.1%
ISBM SBC Terminal (Fraser R) Sport 3.3%
AABM WCVI Spring Troll 2.7%
ISBM GST (SOG) Sport 1.2%
AABM WCVI Sport 0.9%
ISBM SBC JST (unknown) Sport 0.1%
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The responses here seem to forget the saltwater harvest - mostly recreational and commercial troll, take a significant number of Fraser bound chinook. Likewise chinook populations outside the Fraser systems & it's sockeye net fisheries, are also in a critical state according to the Cosewic assessments.
WMY looking at the graph you supplied I also couldn't help noticing the situation for Summer (4) chinook the situation was worse and sustainably worse from 1975 to'95 from which the stocks recovered.
Perhaps not so 'hopeless'.
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some other perspectives from:
SCIENCE INFORMATION TO SUPPORT CONSULTATIONS ON BC CHINOOK SALMON FISHERY MANAGEMENT MEASURES IN 2018 of the Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat (pgs 2 &3 )
Dorner et al. (2017) associated the broad pattern of declines in Chinook Salmon productivity, from Alaska to Oregon, with unfavourable large-scale climatic change in the North Pacific Gyre Oscillation and the North Pacific Current, as well as increased frequency of large scale events such as El Niño, and in 2014-15, the persistence of warm ocean waters in ‘the blob’. Other researchers such as Ohlberger et al. (2018) suggest that the biological mechanisms behind the decline in productivity also include changes in population demographics, such as younger age at maturity, reduced size-at-age, and reduced fecundity of female spawners. Some of these demographic effects are now being observed in BC Chinook Salmon populations (Table 2, Figure 3a,b). Selective exploitation of large Chinook Salmon is likely a contributing factor to the decline in body size (Ohlgerger et al. 2018) and other demographic changes, as is predation by seals, sea lions, killer whales, and salmon sharks (Ford et al. 2009; Trites and Rosen 2018; Chasco et al. 2016; Nagasawa 1998). In addition, degradation of freshwater spawning and rearing habitat may contribute to the longer term declines in productivity observed in many BC management units ( summarized in Riddell et al. 2013).
emphasis added by me.
http://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40715619.pdf
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Startling to see the combined exploitation rate for those Upper Fraser fish at 68%. In a day and age when these fish face such extreme habitat degradation and declining ocean survival rates, how can fisheries management think this is even remotely sustainable.
Even if you completely removed the sport take (salt and fresh), you're still over a 50% exploitation rate. :o
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Well, the forecast for 2019 say "Low Abundance".
Low.
But Abundance.
OK to fish then!
I can't understand how an oxymoron such as "Low Abundance" can be used to describe the prospects and / or returns.
Am I supposed to be concerned when I see Low Abundance in the forecast? Or is that still Abundant? Ridiculous choice of words, IMO.
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The term abundance is used to refer to the number of specimen in resource management, it doesn't imply that there are lots of them.
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I know one thing. I'll be selling the jet in a few years that's for sure. The trend is downward.
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I know one thing. I'll be selling the jet in a few years that's for sure. The trend is downward.
Whos going to buy it?
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Whos going to buy it?
Good point.
Maybe I'll build a fridge in the deck to keep beers cold and sell it to the only people allowed to fish.
I'll leave that open to interpretation.
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Good point.
Maybe I'll build a fridge in the deck to keep beers cold and sell it to the only people allowed to fish.
I'll leave that open to interpretation.
😃
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Good point.
Maybe I'll build a fridge in the deck to keep beers cold and sell it to the only people allowed to fish.
I'll leave that open to interpretation.
Oh hey, make sure you paint it black to, good selling the feature.
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WTF happened? Sockeye happened... What do you expect when you have an allowable 55% exploitation rate for sockeye salmon throughout August and September?
“This year the panel, which is largely made up of harvesting interests and U.S. and Canadian government representatives, exceeded their planned ‘allowable exploitation rate’ of over 58 percent on late-run sockeye, with a final rate of 63 percent,” he says. “
Shuswap late-run sockeye drop by 700,000
https://www.saobserver.net/news/shu...Qn2t33hgxjG8Y8yhTe8Wk0vzwd35garACgCRAfA4HEGkU
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Jeeez, when are we going to stop over harvesting these fish???
Yeah, when they're gone.
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This was an F up of the highest order.
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“This year the panel, which is largely made up of harvesting interests and U.S. and Canadian government representatives, exceeded their planned ‘allowable exploitation rate’ of over 58 percent on late-run sockeye, with a final rate of 63 percent,” he says. “
Shuswap late-run sockeye drop by 700,000
https://www.saobserver.net/news/shu...Qn2t33hgxjG8Y8yhTe8Wk0vzwd35garACgCRAfA4HEGkU
link is dead.
was it this one?
https://www.saobserver.net/opinion/column-what-happened-to-this-years-salmon-run/
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This one
https://www.castlegarnews.com/news/returning-shuswap-sockeye-drop-by-700000/
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Thanks. Pretty good article. It's very true that over the decades, despite many promises (mostly broken) made by DFO to err on the side of conservation and healthy escapements they inevitably move to harvest allowances that benefit business interests at the expense of conservation and the environment. Equally strange considering many people believe that DFO remains the authoritative voice on the perils or lack thereof of open net salmon farming. How can they (DFO) be so biased in one case but so objective and neutral in the other?
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Thanks. Pretty good article. It's very true that over the decades, despite many promises (mostly broken) made by DFO to err on the side of conservation and healthy escapements they inevitably move to rulings that benefit business interests at the expense of conservation and the environment. Equally strange considering many people believe that DFO remains the authoritative voice on the perils or lack thereof of open net salmon farming. How can they be so biased in one case but so objective and neutral in the other?
After listening to the fisheries minister on the news tonight, I wonder why we decent hard working Canadians put up with government officials like that. The head in the sand attitude makes me wonder who's lining their pocket book. Could it be that they want the end of wild salmon just so they can contol the revenue that the farms provide ? Sure seems that way in my opinion.
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Salmon farming is big business in BC.
And with big business comes big money.
Anyone who thinks that the people in power (DFO and politicians) aren't being influenced by big money or some other means do have their heads in the sand!
I think in the next little while people's eyes will be opened by what's been going on with money laundering in BC and the SNC Lavalin issue back east.
As one famous person once said "follow the money!"
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Salmon farming is big business in BC.
And with big business comes big money.
Anyone who thinks that the people in power (DFO and politicians) aren't being influenced by big money or some other means do have their heads in the sand!
I think in the next little while people's eyes will be opened by what's been going on with money laundering in BC and the SNC Lavalin issue back east.
As one famous person once said "follow the money!"
Obviously so is commercial fishing if they allow them to kill up to 60+% of a run.
No mater what you say no fish farms kill anywhere close to that. The highest % i have seen thrown up their by some FF activists is maybe 5%.
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After listening to the fisheries minister on the news tonight, I wonder why we decent hard working Canadians put up with government officials like that. The head in the sand attitude makes me wonder who's lining their pocket book. Could it be that they want the end of wild salmon just so they can contol the revenue that the farms provide ? Sure seems that way in my opinion.
For those that missed it.https://globalnews.ca/video/4959664/federal-fisheries-minister-talks-about-controversies?fbclid=IwAR2dfsiwybJusdh109VqEpds68aQTeLzPvHpfDg9MEc0L8VoDQ_9yw0fuQA
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wildmanyeah,
no argument with you on the commercial fishing issue but same thing, big money(Jimmy Pattison) probably influences the decisions made by DFO openings
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Obviously so is commercial fishing if they allow them to kill up to 60+% of a run.
No mater what you say no fish farms kill anywhere close to that. The highest % i have seen thrown up their by some FF activists is maybe 5%.
AMEN to that!
Neither of the fishfarms, the sport fisheries or first nation fisheries or even the seal population (all combined) decimated the cod population on the East Coast... commercial fisheries (overfishing) did...
We do not seem to learn from our mistakes...