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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Backlash on September 21, 2018, 03:44:39 PM
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Hey folks,
Normally Hatchery Coho season opens the first weekend of October and I was getting pretty excited about it. Until I just looked at the regs for the Tidal Portion of the Fraser 29-11 to 29-17 and they say Non-Retention until October 24th.
So did they change the regs this year and we arent able to keep hatchery coho in the tidal fraser for the first 3.5 weeks of October (until after the bulk of the run has already gone up river)?
If any of you could please confirm that this is the case I'd really appreciate it. (I sure hope its a typo)
Thanks a bunch and have a great weekend!
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I don't think the Fishery Notice is out yet for the Fraser Hatchery coho.
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Not sure what the plans are for this but the dates seem to line up with oct 24
(https://i.imgur.com/GiLQRdH.png)
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Interesting. Do you think DFO believes recreational anglers in the tidal portion of the Fraser River actually catch steelhead anymore? while fishing for coho? Sure maybe the commercial/first nations gill netters could catch them as bi-catch while targeting chum. But I think recreational anglers in the tidal portion of the fraser have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning than actually catching a steelhead while fishing for coho. What a joke if they don't open it for retention of hatchery coho until the 24th to protect interior steelhead. How many here have caught a steelhead in the tidal portion of the fraser?
Definitely starting to get a bit concerned that there won't be a coho season this year, and we're getting the shaft
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Interesting. Do you think DFO believes recreational anglers in the tidal portion of the Fraser River actually catch steelhead anymore? while fishing for coho? Sure maybe the commercial/first nations gill netters could catch them as bi-catch while targeting chum. But I think recreational anglers in the tidal portion of the fraser have a better chance of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning than actually catching a steelhead while fishing for coho. What a joke if they don't open it for retention of hatchery coho until the 24th to protect interior steelhead. How many here have caught a steelhead in the tidal portion of the fraser?
Definitely starting to get a bit concerned that there won't be a coho season this year, and we're getting the shaft
as long as they shut down the commercial harvest, I don't complain whether fraser river coho is open or close
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I have absolutely no problem using roe during this fishery.
Given what is fully endorsed by DFO in the Park Royal stretch of the Cap.
IMHO
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the hypocrisy among some 'sports' anglers is hilarious! ;D
Creel surveys back in the 80 and 90s consistently found more IFS were caught and killed in the Fraser bar fishery than in the Thompson itself.
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the hypocrisy among some 'sports' anglers is hilarious! ;D
Creel surveys back in the 80 and 90s consistently found more IFS were caught and killed in the Fraser bar fishery than in the Thompson itself.
Then you are also aware that in the 80s and 90s, that the number of IFS killed in the Fraser Chum Gillnet fishery far surpassed what was killed by bar fishermen....
Like usual Ralph, you only post what you want people to hear.
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usual strawman argument RG.LOL!
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I don’t know how the bar fishery in the Fraser was killing steelhead into the 90’s when it was closed to retention for sports anglers in 1986.....
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post release mortality...poaching.
More IFS steelhead were sport caught in the Fraser Bar fishery than on the Thompson itself.
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Nice try Ralph
But it’s well documented for years it’s been the Spey fishermen that kill steelhead.
Gotta get that all important shot with the steelhead on the rocks with the Spey rod in picture.
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Nice try Ralph
But it’s well documented for years it’s been the Spey fishermen that kill steelhead.
Gotta get that all important shot with the steelhead on the rocks with the Spey rod in picture.
get real, some fish will die after release. The base figure used in Washington for post release mortality is 10%. Similar figures are used in BC.
The big picture here is the extent to which some 'sport' anglers talk out of both sides of their mouths.
"We have to save Thomspon! Closures for everyone else. Fishing as usual for me."
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The fall bar fishery on the Fraser has been declining of anglers for years and years and you want to contribute that to the declining ifs? Guess the countless gills nets drifting in the river have 0 impact. Even on the current b each seine fisheries going on this weekend will impact the steelhead more then the bar fishery would. I’m 100% behind the coming closure to protect the steelhead but only if it applies to everyone.
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usual strawman argument RG.LOL!
and that is your usual reply when you don't have a proper answer to my comment..
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What group will intercept more steelhead and coho on the fraser?
(https://i.imgur.com/6yyhLEW.png)
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Creel surveys back in the 80 and 90s consistently found more IFS were caught and killed in the Fraser bar fishery than in the Thompson itself.
Interesting. Do you have any links to substantiate this?
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and that is your usual reply when you don't have a proper answer to my comment..
Hah - there isn't a proper answer because your comment made sense only to twist my observation 180 degrees out of context! Neither am I beholden to offer 'a proper answer' to every brainless twit on the internet.
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Interesting. Do you have any links to substantiate this?
http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/documents/r366/Lewynskyetal1987_1064963736337_09ed671a69f24c2ab5acecf06d03c9d4.pdf
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http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/acat/documents/r366/Lewynskyetal1987_1064963736337_09ed671a69f24c2ab5acecf06d03c9d4.pdf
Thanks, a good read, back when the Province actually studied steelhead ... Do you have another link with the corresponding catch from the Thompson?
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Not to hand. IIRC the comparison of steelhead killed in the Fraser Bar fishery vs the Thompson was made in BC Outdoors. The annual Steelhead Harvest Reports are available through the documents portal in some random fashion. The results from the mail in angler reports are often considered to be exaggerated. Certainly by the mid to late 80s wild steelhead in the hundreds were reported as killed. Thompson creel surveys may be available there as well.
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get real, some fish will die after release. The base figure used in Washington for post release mortality is 10%. Similar figures are used in BC.
The big picture here is the extent to which some 'sport' anglers talk out of both sides of their mouths.
"We have to save Thomspon! Closures for everyone else. Fishing as usual for me."
WMY I have little other comment beyond the above. Early in the year, after the IFS petitions were circulated, there were comments that lower Fraser recreation closures would likely be extended & expanded.
As of Oct 1st the Thompson will be closed to all angling. How can the Fraser be excepted?
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Because the lower Fraser (particularly the tidal portion) is so massive and its so hard for recreational anglers to catch fish (and impossible to catch steelhead) there that it seems unreasonable to ban recreational fishing in the tidal portion of the fraser for the first 3 weeks of October (prime coho season). I don't barfish either. Absolutely there should not be a commercial/native gill net opening, but keep it open for recreational anglers at least in the tidal portion because there are way way less fish caught in this wider/deeper portion of the river than by Hope. The Thompson is much much smaller - like there's no comparison imo
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If you read the report in the link I provided you'd see there is some argument to support an opening below the Mission Bridge or the Vedder Canal starting Thanksiving or so. However the law and the politics involved don't support that.
The Sport angling community continues to depend upon the wishes of horses they could be riding if everyone else thought as they do.
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hmm...
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So the bait ban is off on the 29th but you can’t keep hatchery fish in the tidal till the 24? I must be wrong
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Weird they didn't announce coho opening like last year on September 13, 2017.
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Management measures:
Effective September 4 until September 27, 2018:
- You may not fish for Sockeye salmon.
- You may not fish for coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
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Effective September 13 until October 6, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- You may not retain coho or pink salmon.
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
Effective October 7 until December 31, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked only.
- You may not retain sockeye or pink salmon.
In the tidal Fraser River, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.
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Weird they didn't announce coho opening like last year on September 13, 2017.
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Management measures:
Effective September 4 until September 27, 2018:
- You may not fish for Sockeye salmon.
- You may not fish for coho salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
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Effective September 13 until October 6, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- You may not retain coho or pink salmon.
- No fishing for sockeye salmon.
- You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
Effective October 7 until December 31, 2017:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is four (4).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked only.
- You may not retain sockeye or pink salmon.
In the tidal Fraser River, fishing for salmon is only permitted from one hour
before sunrise to one after sunset each day.
What is the FN# on that?
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Ive never even seen a Steelhead caught below Chilliwack on the Fraser.
Where were these secret Steelhead Bars?
More caught in the lower Fraser than the Thompson.
Now thats funny.
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Hong from the DFO office in Delta just left a voicemail for me after returning my call and the voicemail I left for him on Friday asking him about not having an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th and he confirmed what I had feared - there will not be an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th. Sometimes I really wonder if there are any rational people running the show at DFO. DO they seriously think its possible for recreational anglers to catch steelhead in the tidal fraser? Ho Lee Fak!
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Hong from the DFO office in Delta just left a voicemail for me after returning my call and the voicemail I left for him on Friday asking him about not having an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th and he confirmed what I had feared - there will not be an opening for hatchery coho on the tidal fraser until October 24th. Sometimes I really wonder if there are any rational people running the show at DFO. DO they seriously think its possible for recreational anglers to catch steelhead in the tidal fraser? Ho Lee Fak!
On one hand I can understand. But my common sense side says how is it fare when nets are out in full force for the chum roe. I am left scratching my head sometimes.
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DO they seriously think its possible for recreational anglers to catch steelhead in the tidal fraser? Ho Lee Fak!
It’s allocation policy and political,
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Ive never even seen a Steelhead caught below Chilliwack on the Fraser.
Where were these secret Steelhead Bars?
More caught in the lower Fraser than the Thompson.
Now thats funny.
I provided a link to the paper Bruce.
I have talked to more than a few people who caught and killed large steelhead around Chilliwack before it became all c&r - which was well after 1986 though I don't know the exact year of the change .
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That sucks. I feel bad for the old timers that are too old to drive to the Vedder/Stave/Squamish to fish and are looking forward to this fishery every year.
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I provided a link to the paper Bruce.
I have talked to more than a few people who caught and killed large steelhead around Chilliwack before it became all c&r - which was well after 1986 though I don't know the exact year of the change .
I could see some numbers caught above Dewdney but not in the lower below Mission which is what we are talking about on the Coho restrictions and DFO notice.
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Just lame
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That sucks. I feel bad for the old timers that are too old to drive to the Vedder/Stave/Squamish to fish and are looking forward to this fishery every year.
X2. These old soldiers of the fishing hobby are mostly too old and infirm to either drive far or to face the cold elements in late October. This basically force them to give up their long-awaited salmon fishing season on the lower Fraser. So unfair and heartless for DFO to do this to this group of old timers while they allowed nets on the Fraser for chum, risking decimating the precious Thompson steelhead or even some interior coho. When it comes to the recreational fishermen, DFO don't give a dime as usual and that is what I mean by unjust treatment by DFO. What I don't understand is, if they opened it Oct 6 last year, why delay it so much this year?
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Government really needs to look at lower fraser river environmental enhancements.....
What kinds of investments can BC make in the lower fraser river to enhance smolt survival rates as they move down river to the ocean.. ?
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So you could still chuck spoons for springs which are crashing (Harrison shut down already due to low #s)
aaand if you catch clipped franken coho you have to let it go. Doesn't make any sense to me - a fish produced with our money exclusively for the purpose of harvesting and we end up releasing them...but the nets go ahead with the wild fish.
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So you could still chuck spoons for springs which are crashing (Harrison shut down already due to low #s)
aaand if you catch clipped franken coho you have to let it go. Doesn't make any sense to me - a fish produced with our money exclusively for the purpose of harvesting and we end up releasing them...but the nets go ahead with the wild fish.
The Harrison has a greater return of Springs than a lot of systems that have openings. Its shut down because the Harrison is a joint venture between FN and DFO.
The clipped Coho release is used you bring up. That's not stopping people. I've been in the Sumas on the boat for past two weeks. Every day I see 13 plus boats and even guides bunking Coho in the Fraser portion of the Sumas and even in the Fraser fishing for Coho. The system is broken. DFO has had the closure posted on they're site for a while now. However the folks I talk with out there think it's open for Hatchery Ho.
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Per Fisheries Notice 1058
Effective immediately until further notice, you may not retain Chinook salmon
on the Harrison River in Region 2.
This measure is required as the 2018 forecast estimate of spawner abundance for
Harrison chinook is 61,825 and this is less than the escapement goal range of
75,100 to 98,500 spawners.
it's open but no retention. The fish mostly aren't in very good condition - they are dark to black - the fall run is almost exclusively whites and they lose their table quality once they color significantly.
What other systems have openings? The Vedder and Stave white springs are hatchery produced. The Harrison is predominately wild.
FWIW the Harrison went through 30 or more years of closure for springs and somewhere around 20 years of total closure for salmon fishing during a period when the spring return was depressed.
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Per Fisheries Notice 1058
FWIW the Harrison went through 30 or more years of closure for springs and somewhere around 20 years of total closure for salmon fishing during a period when the spring return was depressed.
Do you remember what this time was the years? what was the SRKW population during this period?
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Do you remember what this time was the years? what was the SRKW population during this period?
I don't have the specifics to hand.
I will forward your request to a good friend who is a spey flosser. He will know this info but I doubt he will reply.
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FN notice 1058 just went into effect yesterday afternoon. Retention on Chinook from the hwy 7 bridge to the fraser was allowed. The original end date to retention of springs in that area was for the 28th. They ended it early.
I can understand the retention from the hwy bridge up. The closure by Calamity point doesnt. Everyone just bar fishes or back trolls at moutain bar intercepting the Harrison stocks as they go up. Still doesnt make sense that you have to release hatchery Coho from the Fraser mouth all the way up but can retain once in most Fraser tribs.
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The Region 2 salmon regulations state retention of hatchery coho is permitted above the #7 bridge to lake.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.html
One can argue about the closure below that bridge as I doubt IF coho would wander that high into the river, but who knows. Harrison Bay is rearing area of a lot of salmon species. In years past salmon closures have been pegged to the CPR bridge or Cabin Point. Lately they settle on the #7 bridge.
Best I know there has never been a closure on the Fraser below the Harrison specifically to protect Harrison springs and even when the river was closed to spring retention (which was from around 1960 to the 90s or later) angling for Harrison springs was popular on Fraser Bars below the Harrison confluence, unless salmon fishing was closed for other reasons
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The Region 2 salmon regulations state retention of hatchery coho is permitted above the #7 bridge to lake.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.html
One can argue about the closure below that bridge as I doubt IF coho would wander that high into the river, but who knows. Harrison Bay is rearing area of a lot of salmon species. In years past salmon closures have been pegged to the CPR bridge or Cabin Point. Lately they settle on the #7 bridge.
Best I know there has never been a closure on the Fraser below the Harrison specifically to protect Harrison springs and even when the river was closed to spring retention (which was from around 1960 to the 90s or later) angling for Harrison springs was popular on Fraser Bars below the Harrison confluence, unless salmon fishing was closed for other reasons
Yet again RaplH is waaaaay off topic and out to lunch as to what people are talking about here. Perhaps another excuse to show us all how much knowledge is inside that massive head of yours. I assume the doorways in your house are tripple the size of everyone else. I would think they'd have to be in order to fit your massive head thru. It must be lonely at the top all by yourself.
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Yet again RaplH is waaaaay off topic and out to lunch as to what people are talking about here. Perhaps another excuse to show us all how much knowledge is inside that massive head of yours. I assume the doorways in your house are tripple the size of everyone else. I would think they'd have to be in order to fit your massive head thru. It must be lonely at the top all by yourself.
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Lord your humor is so inept & would embarrass a half wit. BTW I didn't bring up the Harrison and you referred to it in Post #40 to which I responded. Your syntax isn't any better:
The clipped Coho release is used you bring up. That's not stopping people
How about a gibberish to English translation?
The rest of your following post is similarly mangled, filled with mis-information & ignorance.
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Still doesnt make sense that you have to release hatchery Coho from the Fraser mouth all the way up but can retain once in most Fraser tribs.
Not an expert here but just a thought.. Maybe so that they can make it to the tribs?
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Fact is hatchery coho closure in Fraser is just one of the many mismanagements of our dear DFO.
Maybe Ralph, who sides with all DFOs phylosophy can try to brake it down for us?
How does it make any sense to C&R hatchery raised franken fish, paid for with our tax dollars? Fish that is strictly intended for a kill fishery and is actually proven detrimental to wild stocks.
I for one intend to partake in the fall Fraser fishery and will bonk every clipped fish I encounter with 0 regrets.
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Not an expert here but just a thought.. Maybe so that they can make it to the tribs?
Wrong - it shouldn't matter where it's caught. As long as it's government produced fish for the purpose of providing for a sport fishery which we fund exclusively with our tax and license $$$s. Whether it's caught in the chuck, Fraser or the tribs as long as you keep within your daily limit.
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Closures have been announced.
Tidal Fraser River:
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214553&ID=all
Non-tidal Fraser River:
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214549&ID=all
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Fact is hatchery coho closure in Fraser is just one of the many mismanagements of our dear DFO.
it's a general salmon closure. Whether I agree or not with this DFO decision is moot. You can stamp your feet, hold your breath or scream at Mommy and Daddy all you want. It is what it is.
Tangles if you do I hope you get caught, charged and lose your fishing tackle.
Many years ago I bar fished the Fraser below Mission. I always enjoyed it and have tried to spend one day or so a year back on a bar. Like all still bait fisheries it has it's downside and I feel good about all the wild coho and trout that will not die this fall because they got gut hooked and released on a Fraser bar. Cutthroat fishing may be just a little better in late fall and winter and a few larger fish around for me.
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All salmon and not just coho?!? That's a huge bummer. I was planning my first non-tidal bar fishing trip for chinook over the Thanksgiving long weekend. :-\
I expect the knock-on effect of this, as well as the chinook closure on the Harrison River, will be increased pressure on other systems such as the Vedder/Chilliwack.
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If th closure window applies to all sectors it will be well worth it. Guess we just have to wait and see if their will be any fisheries in the Fraser during this closure window
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Maybe we should lay bets on how days after Oct 24th there is a commercial gillnet chum salmon clean up in the lower river? 8)
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Maybe we should lay bets on how days after Oct 24th there is a commercial gillnet chum salmon clean up in the lower river? 8)
I bet pretty fast going after last year's numbers, ugg hopeless, thanks for pointing that out! ouch!
FN1096-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill net - Area E - Areas 29 - Fraser River Chum -Openings - October 24, and October 27, 2017
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These closures are so stupid,They will be out there netting and we can’t fish from shore, lol, like who’s comming up with this shot,Really I have bar fished a lot, and getting into a stelhead is rare, this is just dumb.
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Wrong - it shouldn't matter where it's caught. As long as it's government produced fish for the purpose of providing for a sport fishery which we fund exclusively with our tax and license $$$s. Whether it's caught in the chuck, Fraser or the tribs as long as you keep within your daily limit.
I agree
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Sorry to see the Tidal Fraser closed, but isn't the side effect of this is more fish making into the Stave/Vedder and Harrison? I only see native fisheries listed so far before the 24th.
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Sorry to see the Tidal Fraser closed, but isn't the side effect of this is more fish making into the Stave/Vedder and Harrison? I only see native fisheries listed so far before the 24th.
Yes including Dewdney Slough and Norrish (Suicide) Creek. However it will mean some more anglers and possibly more anglers in smaller systems with lower returns - basically any stream with a community hatchery.
I don't think there is any solid handle on how many coho, chum and cutthroat get taken in the Lower Fraser Bar fishery,
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This year we have been decency lucky open for sockeye and Chinook.
Next year we could conceivably have a spring Chinook closure go into sockeye closure go into a coho closure go into a steelhead closure.
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The number of stealhead caught bar fishing is super low, there’s no way this fishery effects there run, it’s a joke we can’t fish this year till oct 24, the natives will get openings on the river when it’s closed for bar fishing? How does this make sense?
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Bait ban makes some sense, it does lead to more bleeding fish and higher mortality. There is many ways to catch fish and I can live with a bait ban. Total closure including tossing lures and flyfishing for hatchery fish certainly does NOT make sense.
However it goes in line with how DFO "manages" every other fishery - time after time they choose a total closure instead of really addressing the issue, and then when the dust had settled ofcourse unleash the nets and still scoop it all up.
Ralphy please dont try to tell me how concerned dfo is with IFS - they have thrown it under the bus for many years now, and their mismanagement is what caused the decimation - not the few fellas killing five coho a year while barfishing for a month in the rain and spending hundreds of $s supporting a local industry(that is dying as well)
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Ralphy please dont try to tell me how concerned dfo is with IFS - they have thrown it under the bus for many years now, and their mismanagement is what caused the decimation - not the few fellas killing five coho a year while barfishing for a month in the rain and spending hundreds of $s supporting a local industry(that is dying as well)
That's right stick words in my mouth and construct the usual strawman argument and dump truck load of crap. Forget about your announced intent to poach salmon.
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is cutthroat fishing still open? on lower Fraser? Tying to read the regs is steelhead fishing open on the lower Fraser?
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Harvesting hatchery fish within your daily limit is not poaching in my books Ralphy. This is fish produced by the government with our own money with the sole purpose of harvesting and feeding the sportfishermen and their families. There is no logical argument to catch and repease pen fish that has been proven detrimental to wild stocks by countless of legit studies over the last few decades.
Of course the forum clown will now spout insults again in 3...2...1...
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Justifying poaching says everything needs to be said about you.
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Harvesting hatchery fish within your daily limit is not poaching in my books Ralphy. This is fish produced by the government with our own money with the sole purpose of harvesting and feeding the sportfishermen and their families. There is no logical argument to catch and repease pen fish that has been proven detrimental to wild stocks by countless of legit studies over the last few decades.
Of course the forum clown will now spout insults again in 3...2...1...
Well said 👏👏
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...our poachers two.
this is too much like trolling for suckers. Ignore user controls in effect.Toodle-dee-doo!
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Tidel fraser still open for 2 hatch marked steelhead a day?
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As they are open, my buddy plans to spey floss for tuna.
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Ralph why are you so dorky?
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No sense of satire or parody ?
As the great philosopher and dramatist Seneca wrote , some things are deserving of severe ridicule.
there are no loopholes poper. Someone who chucks spoons, spinners or bar fishes bait will be deemed to be salmon fishing on the lower Fraser will be ticketed and perhaps lose their tackle & possibly their vehicle or boat.
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No sense of satire or parody ?
As the great philosopher and dramatist Seneca wrote , some things are deserving of severe ridicule.
there are no loopholes poper. Someone who chucks spoons, spinners or bar fishes bait will be deemed to be salmon fishing on the lower Fraser will be ticketed and perhaps lose their tackle & possibly their vehicle or boat.
Completely untrue tossing spoons for cutthroat on the lower fraser won't be deemed fishing for salmon. sheesh, A DFO office tho will ask you what you are fishing for, so perhaps don't say salmon.
They could make it a finfish closure with stougeon being the expection if that's what they wanted.
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Nope! People have been ticketed and fined for fishing when the river was closed to salmon fishing in that manner though claimed to be target other species. The FO makes the decision based on the tackle used, bait or lure location presence of species etc not on what the angler claims to targeting. Not a lot of cutties in the lower river these days, though I have run into some near the Stave mouth.
Now tuna - that's may be worth investigating or so says my friend. LOL!
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So let me see if I understand this.
The Fraser is closed to fishing for salmon, to protect interior steelhead. However, you may fish for actual steelhead, the species being protected, as long as you’re not mistaken to be targeting salmon?
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So let me see if I understand this.
The Fraser is closed to fishing for salmon, to protect interior steelhead. However, you may fish for actual steelhead, the species being protected, as long as you’re not mistaken to be targeting salmon?
I think we need Ralph to break this down for us.
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Another Seneca quote "It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness"
I think someone in this thread has traveled a very rough road.
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So let me see if I understand this.
The Fraser is closed to fishing for salmon, to protect interior steelhead. However, you may fish for actual steelhead, the species being protected, as long as you’re not mistaken to be targeting salmon?
That is right but given the number of fish expected to return it is probably a waste of time.
DFO can only set openings, closures and limits for the 5 salmon species in non-tidal waters. They cannot close steelhead fishing above Mission. While the Thompson and sections of the Fraser River in Region 3 will close Oct 1st, the Province does not look interested in closing steelhead angling in the river in any part of Region 2. So I guess DFO could argue why bother to close trout in tidal waters if they are open above Mission.
Lately DFO has also been closing the entire river from the mouth to Hope in response to specific conservation concerns.
DFO also does not impose restrictions on specific types of tackle - they do not institute bait bans or put fly only regulations into place or ban fishing from boats (as has been done on the Thompson) - they either close a species, related species (ie salmon, rockfish) or all fishing.
Yes there is a lot of screwy stuff that DFO does, as does the Province at times. My guess DFO is out to reduce the chance of interceptions of steelhead by anglers fishing for salmon and they had to close the entire section from Hope to the mouth to do that 'fairly' and with consistency in their view. As I said this my interpretation of this particular regulation change.
I also think there is a good chance that soon after Oct 24th we'll see a full gillnet fishery for chum salmon as they have not accepted the view that the commercial fishery is mainly responsible for the radical decline of IFS we've experienced. They also believe that biggest part of the IFS run is past Mission by late October - which is by no means certain and the Province hasn't bothered to prove incorrect.
So we have gained basically nothing since last year's campaign to do something to save what's left of the IFS.
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Another Seneca quote "It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness"
I think someone in this thread has traveled a very rough road.
here's another related quote:
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Sun Tzu from The Art of War
I'd say the Sport Fishing Community is pretty much in the "...know neither the enemy nor yourself..." state, which is my bigger point whenever I write on these topics.
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Hi everybody,
This closure sucks, but there is something we can do to complain to the right people who are in charge. I recommend everybody on this board write to them and explain to them closing October Fraser Salmon means to them.
Hon Jonathan Wilkinson Minister Jonathan.Wilkinson@parl.gc.ca
Rebecca Reid, Director General rebecca.reid@dfo–mpo.gc.ca
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I have written to both of them and blasted them for the closure until Oct 24 for us sporties but they let commies and FN nets killing the steelhead in the chum roe fishery. I point out to them that by delaying the fishery so late into October, they basically shut out most of the seniors who are too old and infirm to drive far to fish and too frail in health to take the cold elements of late October or even November. The seniors only have so many years left to fish for salmon in the only available fishery to them, and many of them wait patiently for this fishery. Now DFO just cruelly rob them of this fishery with little proof that bar fishermen can decimate steelhead like the commies and FN can do with their nets.
One thing though is the Rebecca Reid's email can't be delivered. Can someone find out why? This is the message I got:
Address not found
Your message wasn't delivered to rebecca.reid@dfo–mpo.gc.ca because the domain dfo–mpo.gc.ca couldn't be found. Check for typos or unnecessary spaces and try agai
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I have written to both of them and blasted them for the closure until Oct 24 for us sporties but they let commies and FN nets killing the steelhead in the chum roe fishery. I point out to them that by delaying the fishery so late into October, they basically shut out most of the seniors who are too old and infirm to drive far to fish and too frail in health to take the cold elements of late October or even November. The seniors only have so many years left to fish for salmon in the only available fishery to them, and many of them wait patiently for this fishery. Now DFO just cruelly rob them of this fishery with little proof that bar fishermen can decimate steelhead like the commies and FN can do with their nets.
One thing though is the Rebecca Reid's email can't be delivered. Can someone find out why? This is the message I got:
Address not found
Your message wasn't delivered to rebecca.reid@dfo–mpo.gc.ca because the domain dfo–mpo.gc.ca couldn't be found. Check for typos or unnecessary spaces and try agai
Phone her and find out! 604-666-6098 http://www.goc411.ca/en/62089/Rebecca-Reid
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One thing though is the Rebecca Reid's email can't be delivered. Can someone find out why? This is the message I got:
Address not found
Your message wasn't delivered to rebecca.reid@dfo–mpo.gc.ca because the domain dfo–mpo.gc.ca couldn't be found. Check for typos or unnecessary spaces and try agai
I think that domain was down when you tried. I got an auto response from info@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/contact-eng.html
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Not sure what everyone has been expecting when you all signed the petition to House of Commons on Interior Fraser River steelhead... but this was one of the measures that was expected to be taken to save the runs. It's unfortunate, we'll miss the peak of the hatchery coho fishery on the Lower Fraser River, but if it can keep the commercial and FN beach seine chum fisheries on hold until the river reopens, then it's a worthy cause. Everyone's pressuring to have not have their fishing opportunities taken away, but in the end the losers are the fish.
If in the next few weeks chum salmon netting takes place, then we have a problem. In the meantime, be cautiously optimistic rather than assuming everyone else is going to be fishing except us.
The Lower Fraser River remains open for bull trout and cutthroat trout fishing (yes, steelhead is open, the province needs to get their act together, but don't purposely go out and target steelhead just because you can, because that's just a jerk move). The bull trout fishing anywhere downstream from the Pitt River confluence is amazing throughout October on light spinning tackle or a 5wt fly rod.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/blog/2008/11/09/a-very-wet-battle/
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The fn are beach seining right through this weekend and into early next week already. So clearly the closure to protect the steelhead a big priority only for the rec sector.
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What's the FN # for this opening?
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If you look at fraser river fisheries and look at the lower fraser it shows them in there. Till tue for food social and ceremonial and economic opportunity till tue as well.
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Looks like its business as usual for the FN. Stsailes and Scowlitz First Nation have 2 days Monday and Tuesday next week from the Harriaon to Laidlaw. Beach seine. That's alright. At least it's no gill netting.
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Does it matter its not gill netting? A closer for conservation should be a closer for all.
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Does it matter its not gill netting? A closer for conservation should be a closer for all.
I do agree to a point but then we get into that discussion about what FN are entitled to by LAW. FN are the only ethnic group in Canada ( and I like to use that word ethnic because our government to split folks into groups and not recognize us as just plain old Canadians ) that are entitled to Salmon. It's their right. It's no surprise really.
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Not sure what everyone has been expecting when you all signed the petition to House of Commons on Interior Fraser River steelhead... but this was one of the measures that was expected to be taken to save the runs. It's unfortunate, we'll miss the peak of the hatchery coho fishery on the Lower Fraser River, ...
Wow, just a while ago I had a dream, well more like a nightmare, that I said pretty much the same thing and other posters got so made at me & wrote about how I should get off this site for maybe a year!
Now I wake up and it's deja vu all over again.
Isn't that just weird?
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First Nation are not entitled to salmon. They are entitled a to be the first to catch them after all conservation concerns are met. That is it. If there is excess salmon to their allotment then there will be a commercial opening and lastly a sport fishing opening if any left. All this comes after, and ONLY after all conservation concerns are met.
That is nothing new, it has gone all the way to the SCC and that was there ruling. Conservation trumps all. The problem lies in lack of enforcement and in lack of commitment. Now, these openings may be believed to not have a serious impact on interior Coho or Steelhead, I am not sure how that is reached. But the fact remains Conservation is to take priority.
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Can't keep a single clipped fish but netting is fine, Ralph logic stamped and approved. ;D
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DFO determines conservation needs. Beach seining is highly selective. Non targeted species are to be released. Usually they are not removed from the water. Post release mortality is likely lower than any form of hook and line fishing.
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Wow, just a while ago I had a dream, well more like a nightmare, that I said pretty much the same thing and other posters got so made at me & wrote about how I should get off this site for maybe a year!
Now I wake up and it's deja vu all over again.
Isn't that just weird?
Rodney asks questions and expresses his opinions without calling other members "internet twits" and doesn't seem to offend many people. Weird eh
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Beach seine with 3-4 guys is great, slow and low cupe and the net coast 5 grand that most can’t afford.
And if you can afford it good luck getting 3-4 guys to run it.
Best to just get your buddy to help and drag the net up in the beach.faster CUPE need less guys and just separate them sort them as they flip around on the beach.
http://aptnnews.ca/2018/09/25/b-c-first-nations-say-they-were-short-changed-by-feds-in-sockeye-quota/
“By then, fishers from First Nations were restricted to using selective beach seine methods to target remaining sockeye allocations; a method that has yielded smaller catches and effectively shuts out a third of the nations who don’t have access to seine fishing locations in the gravel bars,” it said in the release.”
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Ralph i dont think you have really seen how the beach seining goes on up here in chilliwack. Theres nothing selective when they drag the nets up onto the beach with an atv into a ball out of the water.
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Rodney asks questions and expresses his opinions without calling other members "internet twits" and doesn't seem to offend many people. Weird eh
you missed or excluded the previous comments by the person or know much about their history on this and other sites. Some weeks ago they told one of our most senior and mature voices to 'grow up' yet is remarkable for a lack of emotional maturity and intelligence.
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Beach seines as first demonstrated by the Katzie Band can be 100% selective and result in next to nil post release mortality for targeted species. FN bands throughout the FV have previously sown they are willing to police their members to operate the seines correctly. Anyone who witnesses stuff like Sage says he has seen should report them to the band office or to DFO.
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The dfo doesnt give a rats my friend and how do you report it to the band office when you dont know what band is there. Ive seen the dead wild coho they arent supposed to have thrown into the bushes to rot. Police themselves? Thats the problem they are supposed to report what they catch but they dont. Half the time their observers are sleeping in the truck at the boat launch and doesnt visually inspect anything. You clearly have never seen what truly goes on.
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Here is a good video. we should do our part, otherwise there is no fish in the future any more. Thompson is closed one month early than before. We don't want a fully closure next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khbFsVLj9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khbFsVLj9U)
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The Bands will talk to their members if they can identify them. When beach seining for pinks first started there observations and even film of bad practices and the bands responded and fish were properly released. In some cases they have Fisheries Liaison Officers who work with DFO.
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There is no new notice yet, but it looks like the Mouth of the Fraser is open on the 24th, and on the 25th the Tidal Fraser is open. The bait ban from FN0924 is over, so you can target trout with bait ???, and make sure the salmon don't touch the bait ???
Coho Salmon (Hatchery)
29-7,29-9,29-10 -/-/- Closed until Oct 24
29-11 to 29-17 -/-/- Closed until Oct 25
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html
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Opening information after this month's closure for the non-tidal portion was announced over the weekend.
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214834&ID=all
The opening information for the tidal portion should be available shortly.
Although bait is now permitted for trout and char, my recommendation to all is to save that bait for later. You'll catch just as many bull trout with lures and flies during this time of the year, because the water clarity is excellent. Bait would just result in higher post-release mortality on these fish.
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After some communication in the past couple of days, it looks like First Nations' chum salmon fisheries will be going ahead during this rec closure anyway, both beach seine in the non-tidal and gill netting in the tidal, starting next week. We shall wait and see.
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After some communication in the past couple of days, it looks like First Nations' chum salmon fisheries will be going ahead during this rec closure anyway, both beach seine in the non-tidal and gill netting in the tidal, starting next week. We shall wait and see.
Gill nets have been out already all week above the Agassiz Rosedale bridge. No DFO opening required for them.
This really is a joke, peak migration for Interior Steelhead is now through the end of October. Recreational anglers will be compliant and not fish for salmon to help while F.N. groups lobby to slaughter the last remaining Interior steelhead. F.N. nets have been on the water since March, enough is enough.
God I sit here silently this whole season, then this happens.
"Chum" fishery............ Fauck!!!!! one excuse after the other. No bloody respect for anyone or any thing.
WE HAVE LOST
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No no all you have to do is talk to the bands according to Ralph and they will talk their members . ::)The cheam has been drifting gill nets all week gill nets were drifted past island 22 on saturday as well. I think its time for a class action lawsuit against dfo.
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Beach seine fisheries for sockeye are authorized from now through the 14th.
There has been more than one case of sportfishers incorrectly identifying what kind of net was out. Once it hit the national news. CTV chartered a helicopter. The nets turned out to be floats for set nets but no nets were out.In another case a sportsfishers reported a beaver barrier on a drainage ditch as a FN set net.
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Beach seine fisheries for sockeye are authorized from now through the 14th.
There has been more than one case of sportfishers in correctly identifying what kind of net was out. Once it hit the national news. CTV chartered a helicopter. The nets turned out to be floats for set nets but no nets were out.In another case a sportsfishers reported a beaver barrier on a drainage ditch as a FN set net.
How many illegal gillnets do you think DFO has seized in between the mission bridge and boston bar in the last 30 days?
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How many illegal gillnets do you think DFO has seized in between the mission bridge and boston bar in the last 30 days?
I hope lots. Nets are expensive. I have seen the chopper take a net away. It's a sight to see. The chopper has pontoons and a crane hook. It hovers over the net, the hook is lowered and attaches to the net.
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How many illegal gillnets do you think DFO has seized in between the mission bridge and boston bar in the last 30 days?
I’ll take the under! I’m thinking more like Zero!
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I’ll take the under! I’m thinking more like Zero!
Naw they typically get 150+ per year and during sockeye years upwards of 300 gilents in that area
I bet over the last 30 days they seized 25-50 nets.
So fishermen are not imagining things as Ralph is trying to elude too.
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wildmanyeah, why the edit of the post of 50+ ? I took the under! Don’t tell me your a back track gambler!
I’m not saying the nets are not illegal and in the water! Just the Fed gov always does F all to the people of the water and land! But hey weed will be legal in a couple of weeks so the reality shouldn’t hurt as bad! Just take a pull and all will be fine and add a mushroom and it becomes imaginary! It’s not happening and all is well!
But if it’s a bad trip you may think a giant chum is going to eat you at calamity rock!
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Beach seine fisheries for sockeye are authorized from now through the 14th.
Do you happen to have the Notice for this, as I don't see it, or just can't find it?
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Regions=&Fisheries=3&Areas=2635&year=2018&CFID=37863675&CFTOKEN=6932e2afc0a12edc-59A56B59-FCBF-32A9-7377D8D90C97D537
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Look up fraser river fisheries then lower fraser and its in the communal openings. Theyre only listed till oct 9 the week ending the 14th
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I bet over the last 30 days they seized 25-50 nets.
Your "betting" and then offering a spread of 25 really means you are just speculating, right?
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How many illegal gillnets do you think DFO has seized in between the mission bridge and boston bar in the last 30 days?
hopefully all of them. Seizing 150 to 300 nets per year calls the lie that DFO or the bands don't give a damn.
So fishermen are not imagining things as Ralph is trying to elude too.
there is a considerable difference between "imagining" and saying past reports of gillnets in the water were shown to be incorrect.
Pardon me the Oct 14th openings are on the Squamish. I am also shown to be incorrect from time to time.
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Your "betting" and then offering a spread of 25 really means you are just speculating, right?
If you want to call it that!
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The dfo doesnt give a rats my friend and how do you report it to the band office when you dont know what band is there. Ive seen the dead wild coho they arent supposed to have thrown into the bushes to rot. Police themselves? Thats the problem they are supposed to report what they catch but they dont. Half the time their observers are sleeping in the truck at the boat launch and doesnt visually inspect anything. You clearly have never seen what truly goes on.
(https://i.imgur.com/42v9ijj.png)
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In this photo, I can hardly believe any fish released will survive.
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Come on... Don't be so fast to judge, Ralph will tell you exactly why all of them would survive lol...
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(https://i.imgur.com/42v9ijj.png)
What's the saying ... a picture is worth a thousand words?
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What's the saying ... a picture is worth a thousand words?
Yes, but those could be a thousand mis-informed words.
When was it taken? What was open/closed at the time? Where was it taken: Fraser, Skeena, US/Skagit?
I'm by no means an apologist for illegal/unethical behaviour but there's not enough information to jump up on a soapbox.
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Yes, but those could be a thousand mis-informed words.
When was it taken? What was open/closed at the time? Where was it taken: Fraser, Skeena, US/Skagit?
I'm by no means an apologist for illegal/unethical behaviour but there's not enough information to jump up on a soapbox.
September 27, 2013 near Agassiz,Fraser River
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=154244&ID=all
The target species in this fishery is Fraser River pink salmon; the incidental
catch of chum may be retained. There will be non-retention of sockeye, coho,
Chinook, steelhead and sturgeon. This fishery has been designed to address
stocks of concern. All non-target species will be released back to the water
alive and unharmed.
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A commercial economic opportunity fishery for Fraser pink salmon is authorized
for the following First Nation communities: Atchelitz, Chawathil, Cheam,
Katzie, Kwantlen, Kwawkwawapilt, Peters, Seabird Island, Shxw'ow'hamel,
Shxwha:y, Shawahlook, Skowkale, Skwah, Soowahlie, Squiala, Sumas, Tzeachten
Yakweakwioose and Yale First Nation using Beach Seine nets. "
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check the gill net, do you think any fish can survive after being released? Let alone none of them will be released.
https://youtu.be/xil49wPXDJE (https://youtu.be/xil49wPXDJE)
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And 2015's selective pink beach fishery lol...
(https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11214059_400293493505224_5952954062095534375_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_eui2=AeFzelGpF--ro645JY42WtKM4Z3TUMrEJSoE1LenWfOEbpOKBp1cXpcy6V8bmvVQLIPWGKGx8cHbahnY1Qygx9WLAnih-NYedhJ_9B66iX6dRQ&oh=d937220d5fefd48426c2d2184c70837b&oe=5C1B0B16)
(https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11218760_400293520171888_7099564038392467510_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_eui2=AeFiyY-umFYNqSbGHjui3ShE0YriIpjkfgekWa-lTLk6HD5CfhPrtyJyqx6TPgK6oKuko27rtAu_NoTs-XOteeCuQ6W_HGHwUFJ7JFFWdmQnIg&oh=97c95618b7404536ba1336018933b572&oe=5C199DAE)
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And check this and listen to what they said: most of the chinook caught were already dead.
https://www.facebook.com/ken.malloway/videos/2219402898101668/?t=1 (https://www.facebook.com/ken.malloway/videos/2219402898101668/?t=1)
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There you have it people! A picture from 2013 all while the river was open for the sporties!
Only difference now, it’s closed for the sporties in 2018 as the rape and pillage continues!
The only conservation measure taking place is the extremely rare purple ant that lives in the rocky gravel at boat launches along the Fraser River! It’s only the sturgeon fishing group crushing them now at the launches! 80% reduction in mortality for the ant! It’s a win / win for conservation of the ant!
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(https://i.imgur.com/42v9ijj.png)
those are pinks. We don't know anything about this - please note the fish are in the water & perhaps non-targeted species had been released.
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What's the saying ... a picture is worth a thousand words?
... a thousand words of racism.
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... a thousand words of racism.
Your word Ralph. Even you realize social media rules the world now.
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Perhaps someone or organization should organize a demonstration in front of the DFO offices in Vancouver. Call the media. Get the word out there that dfo is allowing this to happen.
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Perhaps someone or organization should organize a demonstration in front of the DFO offices in Vancouver. Call the media. Get the word out there that dfo is allowing this to happen.
No point with a reconciliation liberal agenda. Will just be preceved as rascist rednect that are crying.
We’re getting to the point where fishing in the mainstream of the Fraser may be done for all sectors.
Lots of runs do for Sara listings or reviews over the next 10 years. Onnce we are off the water the ENGO will stat going after these fisheries.
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please note the fish are in the water & perhaps non-targeted species had been released.
Can you please give me the name of your supplier.....I want what you're smoking.
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Can you please give me the name of your supplier.....I want what you're smoking.
HA ! Its obvious Ralph is pushing buttons here. He plays the devil's advocate. Gets the rocks off.
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per Donaldson et al (2011) beach seining of sockeye salmon produced survival to natal watersheds substantially higher than traditional angling methods (52% vs 36%) if the fish were released immediately.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165783610003231
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per Donaldson et al (2011) beach seining of sockeye salmon produced survival to natal watersheds substantially higher than traditional angling methods (52% vs 36%) if the fish were released immediately.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165783610003231
angling is closed on the fraser for salmon Ralph, kinda hard to compare
(https://i.imgur.com/5vqfMO0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Sjjusrf.png)
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I made no comparison - Donaldson and associates made the comparison. Goes back to something said in the first few pages.
No point with a reconciliation liberal agenda. Will just be preceved as rascist rednect that are crying.
We’re getting to the point where fishing in the mainstream of the Fraser may be done for all sectors.
Lots of runs do for Sara listings or reviews over the next 10 years. Onnce we are off the water the ENGO will stat going after these fisheries.
One thing the sportfishing community has yet to get into their skulls that is as far as most of the rest of the population, particularly those under 40, angling has about as much cultural relevance as skate boarding. Which is not to be taken lightly. Skate boarders demand parks for their use after all.
Unlike skate boarding, when it comes to salmon fishing in BC, we have long ago been put in our place - which is last in line.
Finally all over North America there has been a steady change in the sort of people who manage the resource for our use. No longer predominately sympathetic anglers, 'fisherman' no longer have an interest in biology, ecology or conservation as they feel catch and release has given them a moral pass, most are now environmentalists or sympathetic to that philosophy. They no longer cut anglers kindly slack.
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What I appreciate about some posters is their occasional flash of brilliant wisdom. Thanks RalphH.
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Dfo is out to lunch. Set net and drift net openings starting this weekend from below the Port Mann to hope. So much for conservation
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Dfo is out to lunch. Set net and drift net openings starting this weekend from below the Port Mann to hope. So much for conservation
Sorry Sage I do not see the opening. Could you provide a link to this opening so I can send my letter based on their official notice.
Thank you.
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Regions=All&Fisheries=&Areas=&year=2018&CFID=38144523&CFTOKEN=5e2924f6a8fc273b-495C8320-D72E-3052-D1A410FE6B04EA8D
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
Going to be nets in the water every day this month. Sad to see the gillnets out
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I think its time to start pooling some money together and hire a good laywer and take the dfo to task for their mismanagement of our fish. This is an outright big middle finger to everyone kicked off the water for conservation concerns. Enough is enough
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Make your voice heard however you see fit. Just be an adult about it and don’t go flinging mud, as much as we’d all like to kick whoever makes these decisions in the baby makers. Don’t leave these things to the vocal few at the top of our sport, every call or email matters.
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I think DFO's unilateral control of this situation is over estimated. Believe it was Ernie Crey I saw on the local news. Anyway the story was local bands were complaining they can't make their allocation on sockeye catch because beach seine's weren't efficient enough or some bands simply don't have access to suitable beach seine sites on their fishing territory.
Back when the IF coho closures kicked in their were similar complaints from Fraser Valley FNs. What made the difference in that situation was interior bands intent on protecting those fish kicked in in support of the closure and use of selective methods. It wasn't easy. Some of the interior associations like the Nicola Tribal Association are on board with IFS conservation to the same extent.
To lift the set nets openings DFO has to get the local bands to agree. It has to be in their fishing plans they will not use set nets in the fall. Other bands including some interior associations may help as it is going to take persuasion, not yelling and not regulatory changes by fiat from DFO.
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Well, I see a lot of fishermen fishing roe and spinners lately during my daily walks with the kids along the Lower Fraser. Obviously a lot of people are fed up and give it a go regardless.
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Recreational anglers have little voice and will have little voice as long as we are all segregated into individual groups and races and fight amongst ourselves. We are pleasure seeking and need nothing so we are allocated nothing. Fellow board members have stipulated that we come last, and that’s exactly what it will come down to as long as we fight and bicker for our own quota.
We’re never going to overrule court mandated allocations so trying to argue why nets are out and we aren’t is pure stupidity.
Arguing from the point of recreational anglers is stupid IMO and that why we need to unite as a conservatory cause and be the ones to fight for the fish.
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Arguing from the point of recreational anglers is stupid IMO and that why we need to unite as a conservatory cause and be the ones to fight for the fish.
Perfect! I wish I had said that!
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Recreational anglers have little voice and will have little voice as long as we are all segregated into individual groups and races and fight amongst ourselves. We are pleasure seeking and need nothing so we are allocated nothing. Fellow board members have stipulated that we come last, and that’s exactly what it will come down to as long as we fight and bicker for our own quota.
We’re never going to overrule court mandated allocations so trying to argue why nets are out and we aren’t is pure stupidity.
Arguing from the point of recreational anglers is stupid IMO and that why we need to unite as a conservatory cause and be the ones to fight for the fish.
Well said
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There is no Tidal Notice but
FN1092 says coho hatchery limit is 2 in on the Non Tidal Fraser. So October 25th the Tidal Fraser should be open if one tries to guesstimate it.
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214834&ID=all
Effective October 26, 2018 at 00:01 hours until December 31, 2018 at 23:59
hours:
- The daily limit for chinook salmon is four (4) with only one (1) greater than
62 cm.
- The daily limit for chum salmon is two (2).
- The daily limit for coho salmon is two (2) hatchery marked fish only. You
may not retain wild coho.
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html
Areas 29-11 to 29-17 closed until Oct 25th
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html
Areas 29-11 to 29-17 closed until Oct 25th
29-11 to 29-17 -/-/- Closed until Oct 25
Kind of useless with -/-/-.
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Is the tidal open on the 25th or midnight of the 26th, I know may be dumb question just asking, seem many folks on the non tidal casting spoons for pike minnows and bull heads
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Until the 25th, sounds like Ill be at the Fraser on Thursday. Long overdue, anyone know how the vis is?
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I thought the tidal portion of the Fraser opened on the 24th of October ( Wednesday ), when it does open is it 1 hatchery coho a day again?
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Until the 25th, sounds like Ill be at the Fraser on Thursday. Long overdue, anyone know how the vis is?
the river is as low or lower than I have ever seen it this time of year. Clarity is high. In Agassiz Sunday it was at least a few feet.
Near as I can tell is the mouth opens tomorrow and the river opens Friday.
Hopefully it gets clarified by a Notice today as it sounds like they will also close Fraser Chum to all recreational retention.
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So are we past the peak of coho migration now, or is it the tail end of it? Is it too early for the Northern Fraser Tributaries for coho still?
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So are we past the peak of coho migration now, or is it the tail end of it? Is it too early for the Northern Fraser Tributaries for coho still?
Depends what your definition of Nothern Fraser is.
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Walking Langley area today and the water is as clear as I have ever seen it this time of year. Was down during outgoing tide and still lots of Chum surfacing as they make there way up. Been watching them for past couple weeks and still decent amount showing themselves. Coho will be in there as well for sure. Mid to end of October, weather and water clarity permitting, has always been the the most productive but I'm usually only tossing hardware.
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So is tidal Fraser open for bar fishing coho on the 25th? Is chum no retention? Hope to hear some reports if coho are still around in lower Fraser this late. Lol.
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The rec salmon fishing closure ends on October 24th (yesterday), but salmon fishing opportunities starting on October 25th have not been announced, not in a fishery notice, not listed in the BC Sport Fishing Guide, nothing.
An email was sent out this afternoon to point out this sloppiness, which was also pointed out in 2015 and 2013 (see my emails from previous years in the attachment).
The fishery notice and the regulation guide contradict each other btw. Fishery notice says October 24th, regulation says October 25th.
Bring a lawyer with you when you go fishing tomorrow. ;)
Pathetic.
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Thanks for all your efforts and for keeping us posted~
Ima hit my favorite spot this sunrise, good luck to all~
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So is tidal Fraser open for bar fishing coho on the 25th? Is chum no retention? Hope to hear some reports if coho are still around in lower Fraser this late. Lol.
Lots of coho in the lower if you can find them
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So bloody typical of DFO. Can't seem to get anything right. How can they expect angler compliance with the regulations when the regulations themselves are often outdated and contradictory ? Won't stand up to a court challenge.
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Pathetic is the right word rodney. Makes it hard for the people that actually want to follow the rules.
Until bc is in charge of our coast it will be more of the same.
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215568&ID=all
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No retention on chum, eh. Not that you're likely to catch one on the Tidal Fraser, but I find that strange considering the commercial openings for chum.
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What commercial openings?
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What commercial openings?
Pardon me, FN chum openings.
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2 Wild Coho and a dolly were landed where I was fishing among a dozen rods. Season over already ;D ??
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What commercial openings?
Very large opening in the open ocean at the moment, but your right nothing in Fraser as that would "look bad". Better to have the opening away from the eyes of the general public in the lower mainland.
This way we can all blame other user groups for the collapse and not the Fraser River Commercial fleet.
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There were only two guys fishing at the bend on yesterday's afternoon tide Rodney, far cry from even a couple years ago.
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Very large opening in the open ocean at the moment, but your right nothing in Fraser as that would "look bad". Better to have the opening away from the eyes of the general public in the lower mainland.
This way we can all blame other user groups for the collapse and not the Fraser River Commercial fleet.
that's in Nanaimo's outer harbour. The Nanaimo River is proving an exception and having a good return. Other than that there hasn't been a 'large' opening in the Strait.
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Why not blame the ones responsible for the collapse of the thompson steelhead?
Top of the decision makers, DFO! Opening for chum when steelhead are in the fraser river?
Sorry, I know persons in dfo that are ashamed and do not even want to look at their updated notices.
Further more, follow the money and the trail will lead you to the culprits, which I will not bother naming.
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Lots of boats netting by the golden ears bridge this weekend,
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So what are they netting? Endangered IFS or chum which DFO claimed in trouble and which sporties are shut out?
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Why is everyone so surprised? They (fn) start their drift net pillaging on nov 3rd.
UUUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! What a screwed up Management decision and money grab.
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Anyone had any success in the north arm fraser ?
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Haven't fish the north arm but my honey hole has dried up,went from 5 plus days in 2 hrs to 1 wild per day fishing 5 hrs . Think it's coming to an end . Great one week season in the lower.