Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: scouterjames on September 14, 2018, 10:35:29 PM
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Anyone been up to the Stave this year? Is the damn dam finished yet, or is it still park and walk this season?
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Signs are still up at Keystone, so if you're heading in near the toilet bowl, you're humping it.
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Signs are still up at Keystone, so if you're heading in near the toilet bowl, you're humping it.
Thanks, ShaunO!
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Out of curiosity did any body get ticketed or towed parking on the west side last year? Tow trucks can drive by and pick out any of the dozens of cars parked at the no parking signs during chum season.
Kind of dumb they removed parking on the river side of the road.
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Out of curiosity did any body get ticketed or towed parking on the west side last year? Tow trucks can drive by and pick out any of the dozens of cars parked at the no parking signs during chum season.
Kind of dumb they removed parking on the river side of the road.
I know of one day last year where a bunch of vehicles were towed. I was at the base of the dam in my boat and heard guys yelling " They're towing cars".
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I know in Vancouver that you have to be ticketed first before they can tow your vehicle.
Would that be provincial or municipal law?
I have seen Red light flashing along that shore from my boat.
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I cant give a straight answer but perhaps parking in that hazard flood plane has some to do with it.
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The no parking signs were removed from in front of the parking area on the west side (across from the trailer park) sometime between last chum season and this summer. Not sure if the signs will be put up again once the gong show starts. Nothing has changed on the east side since last fall.
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the lower west side as stated has parking at the 1st pull out. The shoreline is drastically different there from a year or two ago so be careful, Its eroded almost up to the grass.
Take all garbage home and please consider using a travel mug or a thermos, if you can afford all the gear you can afford a travel mug.
Also for those new to chum fishing please take a look at floating jigs, it works very well and you wont loose time and gear snagging on bottom.
Have a safe and productive salmon season everybody!
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the lower west side as stated has parking at the 1st pull out. The shoreline is drastically different there from a year or two ago so be careful, Its eroded almost up to the grass.
Take all garbage home and please consider using a travel mug or a thermos, if you can afford all the gear you can afford a travel mug.
Also for those new to chum fishing please take a look at floating jigs, it works very well and you wont loose time and gear snagging on bottom.
Have a safe and productive salmon season everybody!
GREAT Advice!!!
Building on that, there is also no need for 80lb braid on surf rods. Short float a jig and you'll find them... time after time.
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...after time, after time... 8) Absolutely right, ShaunO.
I enjoy tying up my own jigs for chums- it's actually one of my favourite fisheries. I tend to have the most consistent success using a version of Rod Toth's Dog Pounder.
I was wondering if anyone had a good chum jig pattern based solely on very cheap and simple materials, such as wool, that an angler could wind up without equipment like a vise. The thought is to make it jig fishing accessible to people who can't afford $6 a jig.
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The thought is to make it jig fishing accessible to people who can't afford $6 a jig.
Go check out the Stave in December at low tide. Bring a hiking pole + fishing net and you can find a good amount of river treasure! (Dislodge and push the jig into the net using the hiking pole. Waders help too) Probably half my jigs come from winter trips to the Stave :P
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...after time, after time... 8) Absolutely right, ShaunO.
I enjoy tying up my own jigs for chums- it's actually one of my favourite fisheries. I tend to have the most consistent success using a version of Rod Toth's Dog Pounder.
I was wondering if anyone had a good chum jig pattern based solely on very cheap and simple materials, such as wool, that an angler could wind up without equipment like a vise. The thought is to make it jig fishing accessible to people who can't afford $6 a jig.
I've been stocking up on jig hooks, pins and beads. Fishing chum is a blast and is something I really look forward to each year, too. When I tie up my own jigs I use an ungodly amount pink and purple maribou and use a bit of uv dubbing thread to wrap it up. I'm sure when the chums are thick that you could almost zip tie purple and pink wool to a hook in a pinch. Perhaps I'll try it as an experiment.
P.S. I was on the east side and got hit with the torrential downpour and thunder. I didn't put in much time, but the water was up a bit over last week, still gin clear... and free of fish.
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Go check out the Stave in December at low tide. Bring a hiking pole + fishing net and you can find a good amount of river treasure! (Dislodge and push the jig into the net using the hiking pole. Waders help too) Probably half my jigs come from winter trips to the Stave :P
Check some of the lower parts of the river (bring a small net with a good long handle) and you can sometimes find a fair number of floats that have stuck themselves into the rocks and brush.
Not sure if it would work well but you could always cut two pieces of wool, stretch out the fibers so they sit a little longer than an inch from the bend of the hook, put some flash/ tinsel either in the middle or the sides where the two pieces meet and tie it in with some mono/ braid/ zip-tie, it would have a nice little flow or swim motion but that one doesn't quite get them like my own little design which worked well for myself and a others that I have given jigs out to.
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I can attest to the success of the 243pete special!
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I was wondering if anyone had a good chum jig pattern based solely on very cheap and simple materials, such as wool, that an angler could wind up without equipment like a vise. The thought is to make it jig fishing accessible to people who can't afford $6 a jig.
Just IMHO, while chum can be readily taken on lots of things like wool, roe, plastic eggs, colorado blades, etc the best chum jigs seem have lots of underwater action. Plastic grub tails on a jig head seem to work not too shabby and are cheap. Literally no effort required
If someone wants to save a few bucks but doesnt want to seriously invest into tying tools and materials, a rabbit zonker strip and/or a nice big chunk of marabou tied to a jig head would be pretty simple and at least seems somewhat doable without a vise. Chum are not picky so it doesnt have to look perfect. Though I would suggest that if your time is of any value, then tying your own jigs may not really be worth the effort; but if you find it rewarding or enjoy the process, then have at it. Also, even the cheapest vise will pay for itself in short order by way of increased productivity.
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I can attest to the success of the 243pete special!
Hahaha thank you Halcyonguitars! I'll remember to pack extra jigs so the next time I see you I can give you a bunch.
But speaking of success, last year on the Stave river a buddy of mine had a similar experience using the jigs I tied, learning how to use a centerpin and pretty much had him on a crash course as it was just float down pretty much non-stop, couldn't even get the float to drift more than a foot without a mean chum grabing.
I like the fairly long double rabbit tails as it seems to get a nice action especially on the drop, I've got my own twitching jigs in a smiliar design and they work pretty well on coho as well.
Speaking on vices for sale... I should post that Anvil Apex that I no longer use in the buy and sale.
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It should stay this way forever!!!!! 8) ;D
Agreed.
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Re: east side rec area parking
I don’t know if we can assume it will be re-opened this season. It says completion fall 2018, but fall technically lasts until December 20th or something. I take that to mean work will be done by the end of the year.
Those who prefer it with the more difficult access will likely be happy for one more year.
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Just stopped in to the East side today to see what the river looks like and the water is extremely low. Also, I spoke with the security person at the gate and they said they are WAY behind on work and will likely be going until spring. So this season will be ststue quo for hiking into the Stave on the East side.
As for the West side, there is literally no parking as of right now. Signs are up all over the place so I’m not sure how this will be managed once the gong sounds and the season is in full swing.
Tight lines guys!
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Just stopped in to the East side today to see what the river looks like and the water is extremely low. Also, I spoke with the security person at the gate and they said they are WAY behind on work and will likely be going until spring. So this season will be ststue quo for hiking into the Stave on the East side.
As for the West side, there is literally no parking as of right now. Signs are up all over the place so I’m not sure how this will be managed once the gong sounds and the season is in full swing.
Tight lines guys!
Great news. It's nice to bring the boat up to the dam
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I fished the Stave on Thursday (Sept. 20). There was only 1 other vehicle parked on the east side. The size of the work crew at the dam site must have been considerably reduced, eliminating their need for parking along the road. No parking signs remain posted past Keystone up to the guard house. There is less room to park after the surface widening late last Fall. I and the only other angler there saw no signs of salmon, but there were active cutties. Water was low and clear.
I prefer the restricted access on the east side of the past few years because it has reduced the gong show and improved opportunities for fly fishers like me. So I am pleased to hear we get one more season before the parking lot is restored.
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Anyone out to the Stave this weekend? Stuck at work, love a report!
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Anyone out to the Stave this weekend? Stuck at work, love a report!
Every year they trickle in right now. I see them between the islands. Usually around the second week of October they'll start flossing the west side. Boar access will get you to the fish right now.
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I can't understand why anyone would bother to floss the chums that are so dang bitey on a drifted jig...
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I can't understand why anyone would bother to floss the chums that are so dang bitey on a drifted jig...
Translated into Russian
Я не могу понять, почему кто-то потрудился бы незаконно зацепить лосося, который так легко поймать на дрейфующем джиге ...
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Thanks, I confess I was a bit confused on some of the phonetics.
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Translated into Russian
Я не могу понять, почему кто-то потрудился бы незаконно зацепить лосося, который так легко поймать на дрейфующем джиге ...
LMAO
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I realize the Russian thing was a joke, but maybe it's not a crazy idea if some of Rodney's previous articles translated properly into other languages that are common in the various ethnic groups that partake in our local fisheries.
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Went out this morning and short drifted some jigs. Saw a few fish jump but no bites for me. Observed one middling chum landed by a snagger just below the dam, one guy on a centerpin who caught and released a chrome fish, and a couple of kids bottom bouncing 50m south of the main parking area who retained a maroon chum.
I agree that it'd be great if Rod's articles were translated into multiple languages. And the regs. And the signs posted at river sites!
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Went out this morning and short drifted some jigs. Saw a few fish jump but no bites for me. Observed one middling chum landed by a snagger just below the dam, one guy on a centerpin who caught and released a chrome fish, and a couple of kids bottom bouncing 50m south of the main parking area who retained a maroon chum.
I agree that it'd be great if Rod's articles were translated into multiple languages. And the regs. And the signs posted at river sites!
The problem of people snagging and bottom bouncing the Stave has gotten worse over the years. The problem isnt those folks. Its enforcement or the lack of. OR the lack of a proper definition in the regs. The system is broken.
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I can't understand why anyone would bother to floss the chums that are so dang bitey on a drifted jig...
I agree. Why break your rod over a snagged chum when it can be mouth hooked easily with a jig, especially a purple or pink one? But I must say a lot of newbies are learning the magic of jigs for chum by seeing how effective they are. Perhaps there should be a thread on how to tie a jig? Lol.
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I agree. Why break your rod over a snagged chum when it can be mouth hooked easily with a jig, especially a purple or pink one? But I must say a lot of newbies are learning the magic of jigs for chum by seeing how effective they are. Perhaps there should be a thread on how to tie a jig? Lol.
There should be, I know sometimes local shops have classes on how to tie up jigs that work from steelhead to chums, but I believe their are lots of videos on youtube and even some sites that have information on how to make jigs.
Shops could also make packages for starters on how to tie up jigs, a simple vise, bobbin, thread, marabou, jig hooks and ect ect.
I always carry a few extra jigs with me when ever I fish for chum, it's amazing how thankful people can be when they actually hook into a chum instead of trying to drift across a piece of wool or foul hook a fish that is much easier to manage when the hook placement is actually in the snout and not across it's back.
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I always carry a few extra jigs with me when ever I fish for chum, it's amazing how thankful people can be when they actually hook into a chum instead of trying to drift across a piece of wool or foul hook a fish that is much easier to manage when the hook placement is actually in the snout and not across it's back.
Any pics of this intriguing "243Pete Special?" Was going to tie up a few jigs and test my luck drifting for Chum this weekend. I've got a few of BentRods jigs ready to rock - but wanna tie up some Chum slayers of my own. Love to see what is working so well for you!
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Purple and pink maribou tail with a polar Pink chenille collar. 1/4 oz jig head non painted. Seems to work on overcast days. Easy to tie and gets them every time. I stay away from bright color painted jog heads. They take away from the rest of the jig. I've tied two identical jigs on with a non painted 1/4 oz head and one with a pink head. The pink head never gets the bites a non painted head does. That's my 2 cents
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There should be, I know sometimes local shops have classes on how to tie up jigs that work from steelhead to chums, but I believe their are lots of videos on youtube and even some sites that have information on how to make jigs.
Shops could also make packages for starters on how to tie up jigs, a simple vise, bobbin, thread, marabou, jig hooks and ect ect.
I always carry a few extra jigs with me when ever I fish for chum, it's amazing how thankful people can be when they actually hook into a chum instead of trying to drift across a piece of wool or foul hook a fish that is much easier to manage when the hook placement is actually in the snout and not across it's back.
I will be giving a jig tying demonstration at Cabelas on Oct 13th 1100 to 300
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Any pics of this intriguing "243Pete Special?" Was going to tie up a few jigs and test my luck drifting for Chum this weekend. I've got a few of BentRods jigs ready to rock - but wanna tie up some Chum slayers of my own. Love to see what is working so well for you!
Send me an email and I will send you some pics.
It's a fairly simple pattern that I use for intruders/ bunny streamers.
1/0- 2/0 Owner jig hook
Large to medium steel bead head and pin
Two strips of magnum or regular zonker rabbit strip (pink, fuchsia, purple and two tone like purple with pink inside)
Flash from crystal to crinkled flash so it's your choice
Marabou or synthetic hair
Palmer chenille or polar UV chenille
Sclappen in various colors
Basically I start with tying the bead and pin down and applying some head cement or resin as to prevent twisting/ pulling out of the bead as it can happen at times, another good way to keep it secure is to use some old 20lb braid.
put the first strip of rabbit through the hook( cut to desired length either being an inch or longer, I myself ussually use about an inch and a half to three inches as longer strips get a more fluid swimming motion but the longer the length can get you some short bites on more shy fish) and bring it up to the bend of the hook but measuring where you will place it on the bend of the hook to where the wire of the hooks goes through the rabbit, but make sure you don't poke yourself trying to poke the hook through the rabbit strip.
In the middle place the marabou or synthetic hair in a small clump in the same length as where the fibers of the rabbit strip ends.
On either side of marabou or synthetic hair tie in flash
On the top place a second strip of rabbit of equal length and measure it to it all lines up equally.
From there wrap on palmer or polar UV chenille, you might notice you have a variance in width from where the materials at the back are tied in but the chenille covers up the shank of the jig hook, becareful when tying in the chenille as the point of the pin can sometimes cut that and your thread so always keep that in mind, wrap it till about 3-4mm from the bend of the jig eye and tie it off.
Wrap in schlappen colar making sure not to cover up the chenille so try and use the tip end of the feather where the fibers are a little shorter but get a nice standing apperance and you are done.
With this you can make HUGE jigs to sparse designs but with lots of swimming/ fluttery action, you can use different contrasts in colors as sometimes two tone jigs work insanely well and sometimes a single color gets them. It's actually fairly easy to tie this design as most of it fairly simple and can be layed out before hand and doesn't take that much time to make.
If you have any questions feel free to ask
Hey Dave C, that is awesome I'd love to come and check it out but I got to work that Saturday, if I can some how manage to get that day off I will drop by and say hi.
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Sounds good Pete
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Spent about 3 hours yesterday morning - nothing for me or for the other 20 or 30 fisherman there that I could see. Only a couple of rollers, but a beautiful thanksgiving morning to be out on the water!!
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snuck in half hour fishing after work, lots of parking, one lost and one landed, wild.
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I will be giving a jig tying demonstration at Cabelas on Oct 13th 1100 to 300
Going to put on multiple demos of the same info over the 4 hour period?
Trying to determine how much time I can spend there...
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Going to put on multiple demos of the same info over the 4 hour period?
Trying to determine how much time I can spend there...
Will also be touching on tying roe bags and possibly also making Colorados
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Send me an email and I will send you some pics.
It's a fairly simple pattern that I use for intruders/ bunny streamers.
1/0- 2/0 Owner jig hook
Large to medium steel bead head and pin
Two strips of magnum or regular zonker rabbit strip (pink, fuchsia, purple and two tone like purple with pink inside)
Flash from crystal to crinkled flash so it's your choice
Marabou or synthetic hair
Palmer chenille or polar UV chenille
Sclappen in various colors
Basically I start with tying the bead and pin down and applying some head cement or resin as to prevent twisting/ pulling out of the bead as it can happen at times, another good way to keep it secure is to use some old 20lb braid.
put the first strip of rabbit through the hook( cut to desired length either being an inch or longer, I myself ussually use about an inch and a half to three inches as longer strips get a more fluid swimming motion but the longer the length can get you some short bites on more shy fish) and bring it up to the bend of the hook but measuring where you will place it on the bend of the hook to where the wire of the hooks goes through the rabbit, but make sure you don't poke yourself trying to poke the hook through the rabbit strip.
In the middle place the marabou or synthetic hair in a small clump in the same length as where the fibers of the rabbit strip ends.
On either side of marabou or synthetic hair tie in flash
On the top place a second strip of rabbit of equal length and measure it to it all lines up equally.
From there wrap on palmer or polar UV chenille, you might notice you have a variance in width from where the materials at the back are tied in but the chenille covers up the shank of the jig hook, becareful when tying in the chenille as the point of the pin can sometimes cut that and your thread so always keep that in mind, wrap it till about 3-4mm from the bend of the jig eye and tie it off.
Wrap in schlappen colar making sure not to cover up the chenille so try and use the tip end of the feather where the fibers are a little shorter but get a nice standing apperance and you are done.
With this you can make HUGE jigs to sparse designs but with lots of swimming/ fluttery action, you can use different contrasts in colors as sometimes two tone jigs work insanely well and sometimes a single color gets them. It's actually fairly easy to tie this design as most of it fairly simple and can be layed out before hand and doesn't take that much time to make.
If you have any questions feel free to ask
Hey Dave C, that is awesome I'd love to come and check it out but I got to work that Saturday, if I can some how manage to get that day off I will drop by and say hi.
Thanks for typing this up - looking forward to tying some up and landing some biggies this season!
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Thanks for typing this up - looking forward to tying some up and landing some biggies this season!
No problem! Always glad to share some information and hopefully you get some nice big fish on these jigs and will be more awesome if you get them on the ones you tied up. :D
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Slow today, unless you had no float, but really nice day to be out, parking is great
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I was beat this morning so slept in ... after lunch I Stopped by Stave for an hour this aft... There was loads of people up closer to the dam at Stave... saw lots of fish splashing' there but was too crowded for me. went down river a bit...not as crowded there.
People were saying' it was slow. Got one one the fourth cast with big purple and chartreuse marabou jig sitting about 2 feet under my float. Got another about 10 mins later. Let them both go.
Older German fella beside me said he had been there for 6 hours without a bite! When packed up, I gave him my jig... he was delighted!!
I then headed Dewdney Slough to check things out... got a big buck Chum on the fly ...really coloured up. No Coho there though, that I could see, so went to Vedder to find a Coho... but no luck with that either .... got 6 Springs there, in about 2 hours.... all on roe...all boots.. oh well whatcha gonna do. I'm beat ... again!
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I was beat this morning so slept in ... after lunch I Stopped by Stave for an hour this aft... There was loads of people up closer to the dam at Stave... saw lots of fish splashing' there but was too crowded for me. went down river a bit...not as crowded there.
People were saying' it was slow. Got one one the fourth cast with big purple and chartreuse marabou jig sitting about 2 feet under my float. Got another about 10 mins later. Let them both go.
Older German fella beside me said he had been there for 6 hours without a bite! When packed up, I gave him my jig... he was delighted!!
I then headed Dewdney Slough to check things out... got a big buck Chum on the fly ...really coloured up. No Coho there though, that I could see, so went to Vedder to find a Coho... but no luck with that either .... got 6 Springs there, in about 2 hours.... all on roe...all boots.. oh well whatcha gonna do. I'm beat ... again!
Was at the dewdney last night. Lots of Chum splashing around and saw a few Coho fly into the air. Had a Coho but lost it. The water ( second hear in a row ) is really low even at high tide. Even a 1/4 oz croc reels in at a faster than normal speed was hitting bottom. It's a shame we cant fish the Fraser. I would imagine the Coho are stacking up front the slough waiting for higher water.
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I guess that'll make for a few busy days when it does rise...
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I guess that'll make for a few busy days when it does rise...
I dknt think it will. The long range forcast doesnt show any rain. I think the majority of the run will be thru. It is NOW till the end of Oct.
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10 to hand today and several more lost. On a twitching jig short under a float like 2 feet or less. . All in medium current in deeper seams and sections. I had a ridiculous day. Of note is that all were males. I wonder if the large profile jig had anything to do with that. It was a 4 inch Maribou twitcher on a 3/8 jig head. That jig looked like a big profile intruder in the water...
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Went out today and enjoyed the 10/10 fall day! Fished the east side using jigs but without any bites. Didn't see anyone else connect, either.
Drove to the lower west side and went wading to an island but rising water levels meant I only had time for a few casts before having to wade back. No luck there, no surprise.
Watched a group of fly fishermen below the trailer park for several minutes. They foul hooked two or three fish in the five minutes I was watching but they didn't keep the fish. One of the fly fishermen was unhappy being observed so my buddy and I moved on and headed to the Coquitlam. A few scattered fish there but mostly old and none biting.
Note to self, stop going out chum fishing before late October! Beautiful weather though 8)
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What do you guys to do to prevent the chums from breaking your leader with their sharp teeth? Happened to me twice yesterday. I know there are steel wire leaders, but I don't know if they'll get spooked by them.
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Went out today and enjoyed the 10/10 fall day! Fished the east side using jigs but without any bites.
I had an amazing day out this weekend too. Beautiful day on the rivers. Hit the Vedder at the crack of dawn, then over to the Harrison for a bit, then the rest of the time at the Stave. Nothing connected for me, but saw a fair amount rolling at the Harrison and Stave. Wish I had the week off - love to be out there enjoying the weather and views.
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15 pound fluro works fine for me when targeting chummies. Seaguar gold label.
Ive also caught them with 12, 10 and 8 pound as well.
If a fish twists then teeth are an issue, sometimes it can't be avoided. My thoughts:
Take more fight out of them in deeper water before they get shallow and start thrashing/spinning. The longer a fish is flopping around once close to shore and in shallow, the more likely it will get line in its mouth.
Also try a bigger jig hook so the line is further from the teeth.
Consider a landing net so there is less time for fish to get excess line in their mouth.
What do you guys to do to prevent the chums from breaking your leader with their sharp teeth? Happened to me twice yesterday. I know there are steel wire leaders, but I don't know if they'll get spooked by them.
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I had an amazing day out this weekend too. Beautiful day on the rivers. Hit the Vedder at the crack of dawn, then over to the Harrison for a bit, then the rest of the time at the Stave. Nothing connected for me, but saw a fair amount rolling at the Harrison and Stave. Wish I had the week off - love to be out there enjoying the weather and views.
Didn't know Stave chums are that hard to connect with jigs. Must be the water level too clear and low?
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Do what wookie says and use 15 lbs mono. They are not leader shy. Also you can go with short leader lengths of 16 inches, because they do not care.
Check leader smoothness for any nicks or abrasion after each fish you catch and replace if required.
Short float and you are more likely get a lip or upper lip hookset, and keep the line away from the teeth.
The advice about tailing them in deeper water is very good. They are powerfull fish and if they can leverage the bottom with their tails as they flop around, and you are holding the leader, you have a high risk of it snapping it even without abrasion or nicks in the leader.
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Didn't know Stave chums are that hard to connect with jigs. Must be the water level too clear and low?
We've always found them to be tight lipped early season. For some reason the guys on the boats and on the east side get them early and then it shifts to the entire river.
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Seen a fair number of chum and coho rolling around, not a thing biting at all even on the spey rod today.
Water is super low right now and very clear which kinda makes me wonder if this is some how effecting the fish.
Heard there are a bunch of commercial boats in the river netting fish right now.
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Didn't know Stave chums are that hard to connect with jigs. Must be the water level too clear and low?
They typically aren't hard to catch on jigs. There aren't a ton of fish in the river right now... maybe they get more aggressive as the river becomes more crowded with competing fish? That's my theory 8)
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They typically aren't hard to catch on jigs. There aren't a ton of fish in the river right now... maybe they get more aggressive as the river becomes more crowded with competing fish? That's my theory 8)
This fishery is going down hill. Every year it gets worse and worse
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They typically aren't hard to catch on jigs. There aren't a ton of fish in the river right now... maybe they get more aggressive as the river becomes more crowded with competing fish? That's my theory 8)
Similar behaviour for pinks on the Squamish last year, ussually they are very prone to hitting jigs but with the low numbers they didn't touch very much unless they came up in big waves so I would say it's a very good theory, same with the chum on the Vedder this year as smaller groups of them wouldn't touch much but if it was a bigger group it would be easier to connect. But with that said sometimes fish are just tight lipped and don't want to play and instead just show up the middle fin by jumping/ rising in front of us. :D
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If your jig doesn't produce, I despair, lol!
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If your jig doesn't produce, I despair, lol!
Hahaha well I didn't use jigs today, went with the two-hander and didn't even get a nibble on five different patterns that typically get chum.
Oh well might go again but with the pin this time to see if I can change that. :P
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Was there today.
West side had quite a few people and on the east they were bunched up between dam and below toilet bowl.
Quite a few old boots but I got 1 good enough for smoking😊
Just as I went under the bridge in my boat a large school were jumping in the lower river.
Quite a few cars parked on west side.
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It seems that most rivers don't have the regular big numbers of Chum yet. Pretty sure they will be in there soon as I've seen a lot showing as they move up the Tidal Fraser.. A lot! So if they aren't in the systems thick yet they probably are waiting around at the mouths/tributary estuaries for a bump in water. It kinda makes sense with all the sun and low water lately.
I hope they're coming. From what I've seen over the last 15 years it seems like the numbers are dropping.
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Heh Pete, last week I met you by your bike as you were getting ready to leave. You caught a chromer that day. Thurs. was a good day for me and I could not keep the chum off. Hope to be back early Monday
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Went to the east side for an hour or so yesterday morning. Lots of fish being caught, old fish and fresh fish ... lots of Doe being caught.
Saw some questionable practices there too .. heads and tails being cut off ...is that legal?
Anyhoo... One guy above me got a fish on ... he fought it for about five minutes before walking it past me and others. The hook was very visibly in the dorsal fin ... explaining why he had such a hard time fighting it. But fight it he did ... then after dragging it up to the rocky beach he pulls out his pliers and removed the hook. I was full expecting him to put the fish back, but instead he lifted it by the tail to a grassy spot and pulled out a hammer! Everyone around saw that it was foul hooked but not one person said anything! So before he bashed its skull in I yelled at him ‘hey, you can’t keep that fish’!! He looked up at me ‘why not’? .... ‘because you snagged it in the back, it’s illegal to kill it’
... ‘so what... what does that matter’ he says. Ok now I was pissed ... I said ok that’s fine,you kill it and I’ll call the CO/DFO. He pauses ... then gets up and tosses the fish into the shallows and walks back to his spot. The fish was just laying there on its side so I dropped my rod, went over to the fish, revived it and it swam away. I also told him out loud to have some respect for the fish!
What blew me away was nobody around seem to give a damn... one guy do come up to me later and said ‘good for you’ .... but he stood right beside the guy the whole time and said nothing!?!
I left ... disgusted.
I’m sure this happens more often than not at the Stave. I’ve seen similar actions at other rivers and people always speak up... but the Stave just seems to be a free for all.
What a place .... don’t think I’ll be there much again... if at all. Shame
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Went to the east side for an hour or so yesterday morning. Lots of fish being caught, old fish and fresh fish ... lots of Doe being caught.
Saw some questionable practices there too .. heads and tails being cut off ...is that legal?
Anyhoo... One guy above me got a fish on ... he fought it for about five minutes before walking it past me and others. The hook was very visibly in the dorsal fin ... explaining why he had such a hard time fighting it. But fight it he did ... then after dragging it up to the rocky beach he pulls out his pliers and removed the hook. I was full expecting him to put the fish back, but instead he lifted it by the tail to a grassy spot and pulled out a hammer! Everyone around saw that it was foul hooked but not one person said anything! So before he bashed its skull in I yelled at him ‘hey, you can’t keep that fish’!! He looked up at me ‘why not’? .... ‘because you snagged it in the back, it’s illegal to kill it’
... ‘so what... what does that matter’ he says. Ok now I was pissed ... I said ok that’s fine,you kill it and I’ll call the CO/DFO. He pauses ... then gets up and tosses the fish into the shallows and walks back to his spot. The fish was just laying there on its side so I dropped my rod, went over to the fish, revived it and it swam away. I also told him out loud to have some respect for the fish!
What blew me away was nobody around seem to give a damn... one guy do come up to me later and said ‘good for you’ .... but he stood right beside the guy the whole time and said nothing!?!
I left ... disgusted.
I’m sure this happens more often than not at the Stave. I’ve seen similar actions at other rivers and people always speak up... but the Stave just seems to be a free for all.
What a place .... don’t think I’ll be there much again... if at all. Shame
You did so well in Vedder. Why bother stave. It is always a sad place.
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I went to the Vedder afterwards...Stave was on the way so I stopped there for a while ... Yes ..sad is the word
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Went to the east side for an hour or so yesterday morning. Lots of fish being caught, old fish and fresh fish ... lots of Doe being caught.
Saw some questionable practices there too .. heads and tails being cut off ...is that legal?
Anyhoo... One guy above me got a fish on ... he fought it for about five minutes before walking it past me and others. The hook was very visibly in the dorsal fin ... explaining why he had such a hard time fighting it. But fight it he did ... then after dragging it up to the rocky beach he pulls out his pliers and removed the hook. I was full expecting him to put the fish back, but instead he lifted it by the tail to a grassy spot and pulled out a hammer! Everyone around saw that it was foul hooked but not one person said anything! So before he bashed its skull in I yelled at him ‘hey, you can’t keep that fish’!! He looked up at me ‘why not’? .... ‘because you snagged it in the back, it’s illegal to kill it’
... ‘so what... what does that matter’ he says. Ok now I was pissed ... I said ok that’s fine,you kill it and I’ll call the CO/DFO. He pauses ... then gets up and tosses the fish into the shallows and walks back to his spot. The fish was just laying there on its side so I dropped my rod, went over to the fish, revived it and it swam away. I also told him out loud to have some respect for the fish!
What blew me away was nobody around seem to give a damn... one guy do come up to me later and said ‘good for you’ .... but he stood right beside the guy the whole time and said nothing!?!
I left ... disgusted.
I’m sure this happens more often than not at the Stave. I’ve seen similar actions at other rivers and people always speak up... but the Stave just seems to be a free for all.
What a place .... don’t think I’ll be there much again... if at all. Shame
Most people just avoid confrontation. Last night I saw some asian guy sitting on the Starbucks patio. Some words were exchanged with a couple racist clowns in a Honda. The Asian guy grabbed his chair and had it in the air ready to throw at the car. A crowd of people formed with cell phones in hand. There could have been 8 to 10 people just watching and waiting for the guy to toss that chair at the car. My wife and I stepped in and defused the situation. Most people just dont want to risk anything. They stay in their comfort zone and live quiet lives.
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fish can't be cut up in case dfo wants to measure length, correct?
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The legal size limit of a chum salmon is 30cm. As long as the remaining piece is that length or more, the head and tail can be cutoff and discarded.
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The legal size limit of a chum salmon is 30cm. As long as the remaining piece is that length or more, the head and tail can be cutoff and discarded.
Page #11 Of the Freshwater regulations for your reference.
Nothingtosnagabout: Page #11 Of the freshwater fishing regulations. Leave your head and tail on until you get home.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/#Synopsis
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Heh Pete, last week I met you by your bike as you were getting ready to leave. You caught a chromer that day. Thurs. was a good day for me and I could not keep the chum off. Hope to be back early Monday
Hey Douglas? or was it Doug? (Sorry, I am terrible at remembering names)
Yup yup! Two chromer chums that had me wondering if they were sockeye or coho till they turned into the angle of light that showed just a hint of purple.
Hahaha Thursday was a miss for me, hit a couple fish but nothing nice.
As for what I've seen on the Stave so far this year... Filleted chum, heads and tails cut off and all of this left in the spawning channel below the boat ramp, another guy who left his rod high up on the bank, cell phone in hand and a chum in his net didn't even bother saying to me that his line was across the path till I almost tripped... then another guy did the same and his reaction was more or less to get angry cause we had tripped over his line... some people need to give their heads a shake.
Bobby B I did the same today on the Vedder, totally rude douche nozzle of a guy decided to walk in between me and another angler without asking but we both made room for said douche canoe, hooks a spring but me and said guy believe it was snagged as we saw his pink jig on the outside to which he kept despite the guy saying it was snagged, what set me off was that he switch to his spinning rod to twitch jigs, hooked a wild coho and dragged it up the beach... then proceeds to look at this fish with a look of "Hmm... should I keep it?" looks around but let's it go by letting it flop and roll down the bank and back into the water, gave him a good yelling as his additude was like he did nothing wrong cause he kept responding with "I let it go." "I did nothing wrong" "No, fish is back in water" maybe someone should drag him through the water with hand cuffs and let him try to flop back onto dry land.
And as for heads and tails... I thought it was meant for indentification of said fish species as sometimes the fillets can look a lot like another fish species which runs into a problem when identifying for CO's.
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fish can't be cut up in case dfo wants to measure length, correct?
Correct
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Stopped to fish after work and observe the incoming tide around the mouth. Been spotty at best for coho, high incoming tide tonight all I saw was seals seagulls and a few chum. Really really miss the old days~
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I've been visiting Nicomen Slough during incoming tides for the past week. I remeber even 4 years ago the banks were lined with guys and fish being caught. The last three years have been horrible. Nobody within eye shot is landing a Coho. I've lost 2. I always knew things were on a downward spiral but this season ( other than the Chilliwack river ) really confirms that.
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Just wondering, how are the reports on the parking situation looking? Lots of cars or don't bother wasting my time???
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Just wondering, how are the reports on the parking situation looking? Lots of cars or don't bother wasting my time???
On the West side, it's the same as the last 5 years. No change, except fewer "No Parking" signs. Same number of gong show participants.
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Is it worth a shot slipping a kayak in at the mouth?
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High incoming tide in the morning, overcast and late October should spell coho in the Stave. I hit two spots there after some morning fishing on the Fraser and was blanked again, two days in a roe, I mean row.
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I wonder how long it will take for people to figure out you can't keep chum on the Stave after Sunday night. The CO's could clean up.
PS I really wish there was a service you could subscribe to that would push all provincial and DFO notices and regulation changes to you so that you can keep up and not be accidentally caught out.
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The trout and coho fishing in frog water will be great, it’s not the best yet but with less pressure it’s going to be great, only 2 coho for me so far but it’s late nov game for me the last Years ,this will be awsome year
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Sad to say from what I have seen on the treatment of the chum in the system, I think it’s a good idea to shut it down,maybe for a while, make it a catch and release for all fish, I live close and fish it a lot and it needs a break, in April I see people trying to snag kelts let’s maybe let the river breath, my two cents mean nothing just thought I’d throw it out there
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I wonder how long it will take for people to figure out you can't keep chum on the Stave after Sunday night. The CO's could clean up.
PS I really wish there was a service you could subscribe to that would push all provincial and DFO notices and regulation changes to you so that you can keep up and not be accidentally caught out.
You can have selected regions emailed to you.
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Sad to say from what I have seen on the treatment of the chum in the system, I think it’s a good idea to shut it down,maybe for a while, make it a catch and release for all fish, I live close and fish it a lot and it needs a break, in April I see people trying to snag kelts let’s maybe let the river breath, my two cents mean nothing just thought I’d throw it out there
I agree to some extent. I can really appreciate the whole "Harvest" mentality that this years Sockeye fishing brought on. Hasn't been that way in years past. I would love for that to be extended to other Salmon fisheries. Perhaps the more we look at recreational Salmon openings as Harvest opportunities the better we'll treat each other, respect the fish and leave after limits. I do believe we need a shift in language then the approach to these fisheries will change.
I am very disappointed with this closure. The Harrison has always been an opportunity for me the break out the 10wt spey, get my two and go home. I personally hate it when people post up ALL day and C&R 10, 15 or 20 Chum a day. Its senseless.
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Here is the fishery notice to close chums for most of the northern tributaries of the Fraser as of Sunday night. This include the Stave, the Alouette, Nicomen Slough, etc., and Chehalis won't be open on the usual opening day of November 1st.
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215591&ID=all
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Aren't most Stave chums hatchery released?
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Aren't most Stave chums hatchery released?
The run was hatchery assisted in the late 80's and early 90's along with Chinook. Then that stopped. Only hatchery Coho and Steelhead are released there.
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Fished the Stave River on Saturday from first light to around 9:30am. I started a ways up from the main entrance crossing on the west side, but found it to be too shallow. The only fish I was seeing taken up there were being snagged, and I could tell that my presentation was dragging by the behaviour of my float (even though float to hook was maybe 2 feet at most). I was considering heading home early but bumped into some family friends a bit further down but still up from the crossing. I hit three big, fighting chum right away on my pink and purple jig dropped to about 4-5 feet below the float, but still shallower than many of the people I witnessed. Then hit a big buck with Halloween teeth, which must have scored my leader because I broke off my pink and purple jig on the next one shortly after. Re-rigged with a chartreuse jig that hit a sixth very quickly. After that things died down for me and I slowly made my way to the exit.
All fish were gently released (as gently as possible... one jumped out of my hands and hit the rocks pretty hard... felt bad, but she appeared to be ok).
One and done for me on the Stave this year. Oh well. Still had a great time!
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Sounds like a great day Dubs!
Figured I'd throw this here rather than starting a new topic (as it partially applies to the Stave), but I was wondering if someone could offer some clarification of the regs.
At the top of the DFO page, it states: "There is no fishing for salmon in Region 2 except for the opportunities listed in the table below".
Does this mean that if you were to say fish the Cheakamus with the goal of catching and releasing chum, you would technically be in violation of the regulations because there are no opportunities listed for chum? Or are you free to practice catch and release on any river as long as it does not explicitly state "No fishing for salmon"?
I realize I am very likely over-thinking this, but it came up in a conversation the other day and I couldn't come up with a straight answer.
As I write this, I also see now that the Stave becomes "Non-retention", so that is a bit more clear.
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I was there yesterday. A lot of chums caught are already in bad shape. Found some nice ones in a hole. It seems the nicer ones are only in some pockets. Some people didn't even know yesterday was the last day for retention. I guess they'll get a good education from a DFO occifer this week.
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I seem to recall someone bringing up a valid point that a lot of these "fishermen" don't know how to properly or ethically fish for salmon as they are new to the sport. Everyone started somewhere. Maybe with a little guidance we can help clean up the image that the Stave has unfortunately. Here is a prime example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvU9c9V0XH0
If you read in the comments the guy admits to being new to fishing. He got his info on how to fish from "https://www.gosalmonfishing.com/backtrolling-backbouncing.php" .... which is essentially bottom bouncing with a lure or bait. But if someone was to properly show him a jig under a float and short leader...maybe he would try that method instead. A lot of these people don't know any better. Yes, some you will never get through their head, but some do listen.
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drove by today and took a walk there were lots people fishing for chum
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Saw the same. I was in the Stave just to see what was going on and I saw LOTS of people. 7 boats with 3 or more people on board. Also saw a few Chum bonked.
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So am I still allowed to go and push some singles out of a doe and send her back on her way? :o
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Hopefully they send some COs out to educate the public. I'm sure the gong show will continue next weekend :P
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Would c&r be frowned upon in this system?
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Would c&r be frowned upon in this system?
Nope. Once word gets around that it's no longer legal to retain fish, there should be a lot fewer people. Enjoy your space.
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Nope. Once word gets around that it's no longer legal to retain fish, there should be a lot fewer people. Enjoy your space.
coho fishing can be very good there...
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Second day in a row there for me. I showed up at 8am and left at 2. Not one authority figure in sight. I have a feeling this will be enforced just as much as the "No targeting Salmon" was at the Sumas Fraser in September. I feel that these closures this season or simply smoke and mirrors.
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I drove by yesterday around 3:30 ish...Stopped at the road on the west side. CO’s were definitely there. I saw the CO’s giving tickets to two guys that were going to their car with fish! I hope they were at least going down to check people too, and not just waiting to see who’s carrying fish back to the road.
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Going to hope they put some undercover CO's on the West side and East side like they did last year, but it's good to hear that enforcement is being done as a LOT of people are either ignoring the rules or know nothing about the closure of chum retention across multiple systems.
Saturday was a gong show but the chum this year are acting more like coho as they are mostly shooting up river and only biting on certain patterns, pretty funny to watch the frustrations of some anglers as you can see a pod surface while moving up, everyone casts to them and maybe one or two float downs.
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I drove by yesterday around 3:30 ish...Stopped at the road on the west side. CO’s were definitely there. I saw the CO’s giving tickets to two guys that were going to their car with fish! I hope they were at least going down to check people too, and not just waiting to see who’s carrying fish back to the road.
They need license plate and a retained fish to ensure ticket .
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They need license plate and a retained fish to ensure ticket .
What if the offender was riding his bike ?