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Title: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on September 05, 2018, 09:05:17 PM
Should we as fisherman be concerned?  Is this something we have control over?
What do you think?
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 06, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
Yes and yes.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Ry the fly guy on September 06, 2018, 09:42:35 AM
Yes, any and all human beings should be concerned, just because one may not be in the position to create major change, it doesn't change the fact that every little bit counts. One day future generations will be thankful we started now.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Derp on September 06, 2018, 03:37:31 PM
depends on what significantly means. Significant climate change has occurred since the dawn of age without our involvement (ice age). Are we helping? probably to some degree
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: BBarley on September 06, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
People accelerate climate change, but we aren't the only source. Planet has gone through many heating and cooling cycles before. My concern is that the exponential change we are implementing to the natural warming cycle will drastically impact population abundances and scarcities beyond which we can control.

No one person can reinvent the wheel and the planet won't be saved by buying a smart car and eating organic, but major changes can be had by something as simple as picking up some asshats coffee cup or a roe stained ziploc bag.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 06, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
depends on what significantly means. Significant climate change has occurred since the dawn of age without our involvement (ice age). Are we helping? probably to some degree

typically science uses probability statements to identify significance for example that variable x is probable to have caused the change in variable y at the '95% level of signficance'. Put another way the change in y has a 5% or less chance of having been caused by something other than x.

Most estimates for temperature increases since 1950 are likely to have been caused by human activity at the 95% level of significance.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Robert_G on September 06, 2018, 04:45:53 PM
Human beings are so arrogant that I'm embarrassed to be one. The actual mere thought that people think that human beings are able to have an effect on the climate is laughable at best.
A most human caused scenario would be the example of human caused forest fires or Hong Kong type pollution blotting out the sun....therefore having a slight cooling effect on the afternoon high temperatures.

Anything more than that is nothing more than man thinking he's greater and more powerful than he actually is.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Rodney on September 06, 2018, 04:48:50 PM
Human beings are so arrogant that I'm embarrassed to be one. The actual mere thought that people think that human beings are able to have an effect on the climate is laughable at best.
A most human caused scenario would be the example of human caused forest fires or Hong Kong type pollution blotting out the sun....therefore having a slight cooling effect on the afternoon high temperatures.

Anything more than that is nothing more than man thinking he's greater and more powerful than he actually is.

lol........
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 06, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
Human beings are so arrogant that I'm embarrassed to be one...

Me too! I am embarrassed you are one as well! :o
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 06, 2018, 05:14:11 PM
Human beings are so arrogant that I'm embarrassed to be one. The actual mere thought that people think that human beings are able to have an effect on the climate is laughable at best.
A most human caused scenario would be the example of human caused forest fires or Hong Kong type pollution blotting out the sun....therefore having a slight cooling effect on the afternoon high temperatures.

Anything more than that is nothing more than man thinking he's greater and more powerful than he actually is.

You actually believe what you wrote ? ::)
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: chironomidking on September 06, 2018, 07:09:53 PM
Should we as fisherman be concerned?  Is this something we have control over?
What do you think?

I think the bigger issue is polluting.  Plastic and cig butts in our waters, fracking chemicals in our ground water, garbage burried in landfills..... it is unbelievable that we do not incinerate our garbage and create energy like most european countries.  A$& hats who toss out cigarette butts without a forethought that it is littering drive me nuts - can’t fix stupid i guess and that goes for law makers too.  How can we expect to address climate change when we can’t even keep trash out of the environment.  And don’t get me going on illegal dumpers.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Robert_G on September 06, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
You actually believe what you wrote ? ::)

Fact is there are thousands of scientists who agree with me and everyone of them is muzzled by mainstream media and those in charge. Too many sheep can't see the left wing progressive agenda right in front of their faces.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on September 06, 2018, 08:03:53 PM
Facts are the earths climate has gone up and down for longer than humans have been on this planet. I am not a scientist. Nor do I pretend to be one. I do however try my best to do my own research. We live in a time where google search results are delivered to every single individual thru a very complex maze of algorithms. The systems knows what you like, your political leanings, beliefs and even as I type its filling in the blanks. That type of thing. Search results given to an individual who is a believer in man made climate change will just reinforce those beliefs. While someone who is against it will have their beliefs reinforced with search results that counter. We have never lived in a time where we have so much data at our fingertips but yet been fed so much missinformation.

I dont know what to believe and I certainly dont care to be told what to believe that's for sure. I've always felt that these things are presented to working class people as the new age Dragon causing terror in the village. Tools used by the elite to distract people. Tools like climate change are used to further demonize human beings. Racism is another tool used to turn people against people. So are left and right political parties. All these things are used to distract us from the real enemy of human kind. The mega rich global elite families that control governments around the world for centuries.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RG on September 06, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
Fact is there are thousands of scientists who agree with me and everyone of them is muzzled by mainstream media and those in charge. Too many sheep can't see the left wing progressive agenda right in front of their faces.

I'm not sure if you're choosing ignorance, trolling or simply not aware of the widely accepted facts but I politely encourage you to have a look at the links below.  The right wing really loves to push the idea that there's this balance in scientific opinions on climate change, there isn't.

Also, being progressive is a good thing, whether you lean right or left of centre

http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/climate-change/

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: John Revolver on September 06, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
Yes of course human activity is accelerating climate change.

The Earth is also prone to natural heating and cooling cycles and from what I've read solar radiation activity is increasing as well.

The Earth will be just fine. In terms of Geological time the Earth will correct itself and shake off humanity like fleas. 
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 06, 2018, 09:48:27 PM
Not quite... Google accepts payment to have certain websites appear at the top of search results. I am not a climate change skeptic or have a belief in creationism yet when I google stuff like human evolution or climate change skeptic and creationist websites is what appears at the top of the search.

Google has over the years, dumbed down it's search parameters and it is harder to use even simple boolean operators ("and"', "if". "or" "not" etc) to find what you want.

Facts are the earths climate has gone up and down for longer than humans have been on this planet. I am not a scientist. Nor do I pretend to be one. I do however try my best to do my own research. We live in a time where google search results are delivered to every single individual thru a very complex maze of algorithms. The systems knows what you like, your political leanings, beliefs and even as I type its filling in the blanks. That type of thing. Search results given to an individual who is a believer in man made climate change will just reinforce those beliefs. While someone who is against it will have their beliefs reinforced with search results that counter. We have never lived in a time where we have so much data at our fingertips but yet been fed so much missinformation.

I dont know what to believe and I certainly dont care to be told what to believe that's for sure. I've always felt that these things are presented to working class people as the new age Dragon causing terror in the village. Tools used by the elite to distract people. Tools like climate change are used to further demonize human beings. Racism is another tool used to turn people against people. So are left and right political parties. All these things are used to distract us from the real enemy of human kind. The mega rich global elite families that control governments around the world for centuries.

... your 2nd paragraph was not hard to guess or unexpected given many of your previous posts. Haha

" It's not that I am not a racist, I just don't want to be called a racist!"
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on September 07, 2018, 05:50:00 AM
Not quite... Google accepts payment to have certain websites appear at the top of search results. I am not a climate change skeptic or have a belief in creationism yet when I google stuff like human evolution or climate change skeptic and creationist websites is what appears at the top of the search.

Google has over the years, dumbed down it's search parameters and it is harder to use even simple boolean operators ("and"', "if". "or" "not" etc) to find what you want.

... your 2nd paragraph was not hard to guess or unexpected given many of your previous posts. Haha

" It's not that I am not a racist, I just want to be called a racist!"

The are called Google Ads. Been going on for a long time. My business pays for this.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Blood_Orange on September 07, 2018, 07:08:41 AM
I'm not sure if you're choosing ignorance, trolling or simply not aware of the widely accepted facts...

His avatar picture is from a card called "Incite" from a game called Magic the Gathering. Just like the Illuminati someone is bound to bring up in this thread, Robert hides clues about his affiliations in plain sight  :P
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 07, 2018, 07:25:28 AM
The are called Google Ads. Been going on for a long time. My business pays for this.

not just google ads. Where specific websites appear on the search list can be influenced - pushed up or in cases where people want something to 'disappear' pushed so far down they are unlikely to be seen.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: wildmanyeah on September 07, 2018, 08:32:13 AM
They say in our lifetime we will probably see Atlantic salmon and Pacific salmon ranges meet in the arctic.

Pacific salmon appear to be expanding their range into Arctic ecosystems and may be acting as effective sentinels of climate change. Salmon harvests voluntarily reported through the Pacific Salmon Collection Program (PSCP) suggest recent increases in both the abundance and distribution of Pacific salmon in the Arctic over the past decade. In the Canadian western Arctic, chum salmon have been harvested annually since 1997 and more abundant harvests appear to have increased in frequency. Pink salmon harvest has increased from the sporadic catch of individual fish prior to 2003 to 41 pink salmon reported in 2004, 18 reported in 2008, three reported in 2011, and eight reported in 2012 (i.e., predominantly in even-numbered years). Recent reports also expand the known distribution of this species upstream in the Mackenzie River, eastward in the Beaufort Sea and one putative pink salmon was recorded off the east coast of Greenland. Since 2003, one kokanee, one coho, seven Chinook, and ten sockeye salmon have also been reported in the Mackenzie River watershed. Multiple fish identified by local subsistence harvesters as “unusual” were captured near Arctic Bay, Nunavut, in 2011 and 2012. Although abundance and distribution data obtained from voluntary harvest reports need to be interpreted with caution, Pacific salmon may be following thermally suitable habitat northward and benefiting from increased productivity in the Arctic. Reduced sea ice extent and longer durations of open water in the Arctic may also facilitate expanded marine migrations of juvenile and adult salmon. Efforts to document the harvest of Pacific salmon will continue. Pacific salmon may be demonstrating new marine pathways that facilitate the expansion of other similarly opportunistic species and, as such, may be harbingers highlighting major arctic changes.

(PDF) Pacific Salmon in the Arctic: Harbingers of Change. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272567234_Pacific_Salmon_in_the_Arctic_Harbingers_of_Change [accessed Sep 07 2018].

Salmon are showing up in the Arctic in record numbers
https://thenarwhal.ca/salmon-are-showing-up-in-the-arctic-in-record-numbers/

And it’s not just pink and chum salmon anymore: other southern species including coho, sockeye and Atlantic salmon are starting to show up as well.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: wildmanyeah on September 07, 2018, 08:44:17 AM

The real question is how much is being caused by humans and how much is being caused by natural fluxuations. That's whats up for debate.


Its actually not up for debate anymore they have scientifically proven that based on historic trends and scientific evidence the earth should actually be in a cooling trend.  The fact that we are in a heating trend is 100% man made,
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 07, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
there are very few scientists in the specific field that are arguing that global warming that is specifically caused by human activity is not happening or even doubtful. This is usual as there are always holdouts in any scientific debate after a broad consensus is reached and the community basically has to wait until they die before the debate is finally silent.

The problem with the global warming/climate change debate has been that there have been so many charlatans and scientists with experience in other obliquely related fields who have taken a 'con' position and been given media attention far beyond what their expertise deserves.

There is some argument about the extent of the changes we will see over the next century with some saying it will be severe and likely unmanageable to relatively moderate and something that can be adapted to - if CO2 emissions are reduced - but there will be major impacts on standards of living world wide. 
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: TNAngler on September 07, 2018, 12:28:10 PM
Its actually not up for debate anymore they have scientifically proven that based on historic trends and scientific evidence the earth should actually be in a cooling trend.  The fact that we are in a heating trend is 100% man made,

I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Shinny on September 07, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
The world is flat. Humans are playing no role in global warming. It’s the cow farts that are causing the high CO2 levels. We need to bag up those cow farts and send them up to space  ::) ::)

The belief that we humans have played no role is ignorant. You can’t argue with ignorance and stupidity, you’ll never win.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on September 07, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.

100%

Without Climate Change they wouldn't have a Carbox Tax ;)

A bullish!t tax. Revenue from that tax goes right into government coffers and offers nothing back to the development of new green technologies to help this so called problem.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Shinny on September 07, 2018, 12:49:01 PM
100%

Without Climate Change they wouldn't have a Carbox Tax ;)

A bullish!t tax. Revenue from that tax goes right into government coffers and offers nothing back to the development of new green technologies to help this so called problem.

I’m by no means defending the carbon tax but New revenues generated from increasing the carbon tax will be used to

Provide carbon tax relief and protect affordability
Maintain industry competitiveness
Encourage new green initiatives

As per the government. The first one doesn’t even make sense. Charge a carbon tax on everything then give families a carbon tax rebate cheque. The second couldn’t be more vague.  Is the later happening, who knows. Hard to find stats in that.  Stats are saying though that because gas prices have gone up so much recently with a carbon tax adding to the costs that people are driving less and purchasing less gas therefore emitting less co2. Or it’s all just bs that we are being fed and the rich just get richer.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 07, 2018, 03:35:20 PM
I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.

Yuk yuk, what BS. Is this manipulation part of  an Alex Jones conspiracy theory?

The last 2 record wildfire seasons in CS were no doubt due to manipulation as well.

NOAA has as an on line discussion paper on how the rising temperature trend slowed down from 1998 to 2012 compared to the previous 30 years but since 2012 the incremental rate has returned to what is was before '98.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Robert_G on September 07, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
His avatar picture is from a card called "Incite" from a game called Magic the Gathering. Just like the Illuminati someone is bound to bring up in this thread, Robert hides clues about his affiliations in plain sight  :P


Or perhaps I just saw this avatar in another forum and decided it was cool and I wanted to use for my own....but like most people here you've already made up your own assumptions....
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: fishfinder on September 07, 2018, 07:27:49 PM
I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  I would go to Jericho Beach and English Bay weekly to check if the sea crept further up the beach. I did this for years. Nada. It's the same as it has been since I first went to those beaches as a kid in the 1960's. I thought for sure my home on Burnaby mountain would be the new water front 15 LOOONG years I waited. I felt duped. Now I picture Mr. Gore like the old man behind the curtain in the Wizard of the Oz.

Here's an interesting news I read a while back. Miami just approved a $10 Billion waterfront project. What is the significance of this project? Nothing really, except Miami's elevation is a measly 6 feet above sea level. One must  assume the banks are funding the project, or maybe rich Hedge fund managers or pension funds. One must also assume they are some of the most well connected and in-the-know people in the world. Do YOU believe these people would actually invest in such a project if they knew the ocean levels were truly rising? Just look around you in Vancouver. Are the rich well heeled people dumping their waterfront homes along West Point Grey?... for my new waterfront home?

My advice to all of you is live your life to the fullest and be thankful you get to live in such a beautiful part of the world. I am neither a believer nor a skeptic. I just let go of the noise and went on to live my life.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on September 07, 2018, 07:42:57 PM
I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  I would go to Jericho Beach and English Bay weekly to check if the sea crept further up the beach. I did this for years. Nada. It's the same as it has been since I first went to those beaches as a kid in the 1960's. I thought for sure my home on Burnaby mountain would be the new water front 15 LOOONG years I waited. I felt duped. Now I picture Mr. Gore like the old man behind the curtain in the Wizard of the Oz.

Here's an interesting news I read a while back. Miami just approved a $10 Billion waterfront project. What is the significance of this project? Nothing really, except Miami's elevation is a measly 6 feet above sea level. One must  assume the banks are funding the project, or maybe rich Hedge fund managers or pension funds. One must also assume they are some of the most well connected and in-the-know people in the world. Do YOU believe these people would actually invest in such a project if they knew the ocean levels were truly rising? Just look around you in Vancouver. Are the rich well heeled people dumping their waterfront homes along West Point Grey?... for my new waterfront home?

My advice to all of you is live your life to the fullest and be thankful you get to live in such a beautiful part of the world. I am neither a believer nor a skeptic. I just let go of the noise and went on to live my life.

^ this
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 08, 2018, 08:01:03 AM
I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  ....

I guess you never listened to Gore closely, let alone the huge quantity of similar but better material available. Sea levels are rising here but not that fast.  No one forecast they'd be high enough to flood Vancouver shorelines by now.

Your time lines are off as well. It hasn't been 15 years since Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" for example. Likely this post is the product of more right wing fake news.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on September 08, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
I guess you never listened to Gore closely, let alone the huge quantity of similar but better material available. Sea levels are rising here but not that fast.  No one forecast they'd be high enough to flood Vancouver shorelines by now.

Your time lines are off as well. It hasn't been 15 years since Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" for example. Likely this post is the product of more right wing fake news.

Shame shame Ralph. Playing into the left/right paradigm. If I'm going to bite and play that game ( and I will ) let me remind you the Left started using the term fake news first in North America politics. BUT I find it hard to get to your level. I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 08, 2018, 10:27:23 AM
of course you ignore the rest of the incorrect information I pointed out in fishfinder's post.

I feel no shame or no need to apologize for noting the similarities with certain memes common on ultra-right websites.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Flytech on September 10, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
Human beings are so arrogant that I'm embarrassed to be one. The actual mere thought that people think that human beings are able to have an effect on the climate is laughable at best.
A most human caused scenario would be the example of human caused forest fires or Hong Kong type pollution blotting out the sun....therefore having a slight cooling effect on the afternoon high temperatures.

Anything more than that is nothing more than man thinking he's greater and more powerful than he actually is.


WOW, you’re thought processing is the problem, not arrogance. The fact is too many ignorant people feel this way, and they don’t even know why half the time.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: banx on September 10, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  I would go to Jericho Beach and English Bay weekly to check if the sea crept further up the beach. I did this for years. Nada. It's the same as it has been since I first went to those beaches as a kid in the 1960's. I thought for sure my home on Burnaby mountain would be the new water front 15 LOOONG years I waited. I felt duped. Now I picture Mr. Gore like the old man behind the curtain in the Wizard of the Oz.

Here's an interesting news I read a while back. Miami just approved a $10 Billion waterfront project. What is the significance of this project? Nothing really, except Miami's elevation is a measly 6 feet above sea level. One must  assume the banks are funding the project, or maybe rich Hedge fund managers or pension funds. One must also assume they are some of the most well connected and in-the-know people in the world. Do YOU believe these people would actually invest in such a project if they knew the ocean levels were truly rising? Just look around you in Vancouver. Are the rich well heeled people dumping their waterfront homes along West Point Grey?... for my new waterfront home?

My advice to all of you is live your life to the fullest and be thankful you get to live in such a beautiful part of the world. I am neither a believer nor a skeptic. I just let go of the noise and went on to live my life.

you haven't been duped.  far from it. Miami invests millions a year in continuously pumping water away from beach front property,  They have upgraded all draining systems in the last few years.  Its very likely the project you were talking about was taking that into account already.  There are several interviews with miami's mayor where he discusses at length what the city is doing regarding rising water levels.

being duped, would be buying the 'glacier view rv park' in smithers..... cause now, theres no glacier to view.   

Robert_G would be a fantastic business partner for that endeavour.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 10, 2018, 12:54:15 PM
Current estimates that include all factors  (not just glacier melt) are that sea levels will rise by about a meter (3.25 feet) by the turn of the century. If the reduction of the Greenland Ice cap increases it could be much higher. A total melt off of that ice mass would increase sea levels by about 25 feet. The annual rate sea level rise since 1993 has been about double the historic rate measured since 1880 - that historic rate was 0.06 inches/year. The current rate (since 1993)  is 0.11 to 0.14 inches per year.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: milo on September 10, 2018, 02:31:13 PM
you haven't been duped.  far from it. Miami invests millions a year in continuously pumping water away from beach front property,  They have upgraded all draining systems in the last few years.  Its very likely the project you were talking about was taking that into account already.  There are several interviews with miami's mayor where he discusses at length what the city is doing regarding rising water levels.

I just came back from Miami last night and indeed, rising ocean levels sure is a hot topic all over Florida. Driving to Key West and back on Friday I witnessed first hand the road being practically at water level in many places, where it used to be a couple feet higher 100 years ago. Add some stormy winds and chop into the mix, and the road is easily flooded.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/v131/milivoj/s0/11a0abe3-ef51-4da9-bf29-d177b71d6826-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/v131/milivoj/s0/76cfe6ed-cfa1-4dc4-980b-e501ba89b347-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)

Sea levels around Miami are rising at an alarming rate of about an inch per year. The causes are quite complex and complicated, both natural and man-made, but make no mistake, carbon levels in the atmosphere are the main culprit - there is plenty of scientific evidence to support that finding.

IMO, whoever still believes that 7.5 billion humans all over the world with their industries and footprint don't influence the climate must be delusional or living in denial.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on September 10, 2018, 03:03:09 PM
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but make no mistake, carbon levels in the atmosphere are the main culprit - there is plenty of scientific evidence to support that finding.

.....he says as he's driving his electric automobile down the road.... it was an electric one, right?   ;)
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: milo on September 10, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
.....he says as he's driving his electric automobile down the road.... it was an electric one, right?   ;)

No, it was a new generation rental gasser. (45-50 mpg). Didn't make me feel too bad.  ;)

Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 10, 2018, 03:52:43 PM


Sea levels around Miami are rising at an alarming rate of about an inch per year. The causes are quite complex and complicated, both natural and man-made, but make no mistake, carbon levels in the atmosphere are the main culprit - there is plenty of scientific evidence to support that finding.

IMO, whoever still believes that 7.5 billion humans all over the world with their industries and footprint don't influence the climate must be delusional or living in denial.

 as the oceans warm sea levels rise, because like all gases and liquids sea water expands as it gets warmer. Sea level rise is not equal at every place on earth.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: milo on September 10, 2018, 04:34:17 PM
as the oceans warm sea levels rise, because like all gases and liquids sea water expands as it gets warmer. Sea level rise is not equal at every place on earth.

100% correct!
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: NothingToSnagAbout on September 10, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
I read somewhere that one cross continental flight pretty much nullifies a lifetime of recycling.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on September 11, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
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as the oceans warm sea levels rise, because like all gases and liquids sea water expands as it gets warmer. Sea level rise is not equal at every place on earth.

.... very interesting. So as water is warmed it expands upward in places!  i thought that water actually flowed DOWN to the lowest point to find equilibrium?  Who wudda thunk that all this man made global warming actually makes water flow uphill in places?

My plumber will be interested to hear this.  Ya learn something new every day. ;D
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on September 11, 2018, 12:54:40 PM
.... very interesting. So as water is warmed it expands upward in places!  i thought that water actually flowed DOWN to the lowest point to find equilibrium?  Who wudda thunk that all this man made global warming actually makes water flow uphill in places?

My plumber will be interested to hear this.  Ya learn something new every day. ;D

you are being ridiculous, not funny. As water warms ,it is also expands as in, it fills more volume

Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Knnn on September 11, 2018, 09:07:51 PM
Damn, I bought in upper Lonsdale too early... my waterfront dream is a bust....
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on September 25, 2018, 11:09:17 AM
So an overwhelming percentage (75%)of people that answered this poll believe that human activity has a significant effect on climate change.


So of those people who believe this, what should we do to alleviate  the effects of this?
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on September 25, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
...slight correction, 73% voted "yes".  Still an overwhelming numbrer.  :)


Edited to add:
Whoops! Somebody just voted "no" since this last post so the "yes" vote percentage has been reduced but is still a whopping 68%... still an overwhelming majority of the people who voted believe in made made climate change.  Some quite emphatically.

When I fish I drive my vehicle to the lake.
I use a gas motor.
I have a campfire.
Many times I stay in a cabin with woodburning heat.
All these things apparently contribute to global warming.


In reference to sportsfishing what can be done now to save the world from apparently a certain catastrophe if this situation is not abated?

Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on October 01, 2018, 03:11:57 PM
So I don't buy into the man made global warming idea but I don't want to cause unecessary harm to the environment either.

From what I have read hemp products seem a lot more environmently friendly .

I thought that maybe I would try and use products made from hemp rather than go with products made from petrochemicals.

Anyone here have any experience with hemp products?  Clothing, tents, fishing equipment?  :)
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on October 01, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
So I don't buy into the man made global warming idea but I don't want to cause unecessary harm to the environment either.



my that was unexpected. ::) Now I know what you were doing in Jr High when you should have been in science class.

Water flows uphill: https://www.livescience.com/58416-can-water-naturally-flow-uphill.html

sometimes

They don't discuss changes in volume which can make water level rise.

Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on October 01, 2018, 06:03:37 PM
Ralph, stop being so silly.   Water does not run uphill to find its equilibrium.
The Law of Gravity still rules (Grade 1)  😎
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on October 02, 2018, 06:54:11 AM
stop confusing gravity with changes in volume.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 02, 2018, 10:35:16 AM
stop confusing gravity with changes in volume.

Eureka!
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Sandman on October 13, 2018, 01:46:42 AM
Sigh :-\
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: YESFISH on November 13, 2018, 11:45:48 PM
Hmm :o
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on March 01, 2019, 12:39:12 AM
So with all this cold weather is anybody else noticing that water is starting to run downhill again? 🤣
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: RalphH on March 01, 2019, 06:04:57 AM
not the stuff that's frozen  8)
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on March 01, 2019, 09:21:32 AM
  ;D
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on March 07, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
Whodda thunk North America would be in a deep freeze this past February? 😆

Wasnt snow suppose to be a thing of the past according to the king of the Climate Alarmists, Al Gore? 😝

Oh well as long as water is still gonna run downhill to find its equilibrium
I think we are all safe for now. 😎
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Hike_and_fish on March 07, 2019, 11:42:07 AM
Whodda thunk North America would be in a deep freeze this past February? 😆

Wasnt snow suppose to be a thing of the past according to the king of the Climate Alarmists, Al Gore? 😝

Oh well as long as water is still gonna run downhill to find its equilibrium
I think we are all safe for now. 😎

Part of the reason why they scrambled and changed Global warming to Climate change.

Just look at the policies over the last 10 years. They punish middle class folks. The worlds biggest polluters ( countries and corporations) never do. The UN gang always comes up with a fancy was to explain why small western developed nations have to pay. It's unfair to punish developing nations they say. When local governments take money from its citizens in the name of climate change and put that tax revenue back into general revenue, you know it's just another scam.

I truly believe in consuming less, recycling, pickup my trash and driving a low emissions vehicle. I think the one possitive we can take out of this scam is it's important to take care of our local environment. Clean air, clean stream and no trash in the bush.
Title: Re: People cause climate change
Post by: Fatso on March 07, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
Amen brother!  :D