Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: IronNoggin on December 30, 2017, 03:21:54 PM
-
Well, here's one source of the problem...
Even under such dire conditions, it seems that "some" simply do not get it.
The following pictures were posted by a gleeful FN fellow on Facebook), who despite being told the severity of his actions (he did the very same last year) continues to poach away at the steelhead, and rub it in everyone's face that he can. Steward of the land?? Ya Think???
(https://i.imgur.com/yJePJmZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Nkaj5e8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mgUnbet.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PBzs7XR.jpg)
Pictures reportedly taken at mouth of the Nicola and at John's Rock on the Thompson.
Sad beyond belief... :-X
Nog
-
Sad to see so many try to help and then things like this happen.
-
I just can't fathom how stupid some people are, blatantly breaking the rule and then posting it on Facebook for all to see.
-
These fish should be listed as an endangered species, and the government needs to step in. Enforce no retention of Thompson Steelhead until further notice. And that means everyone, even First Nations people.
-
deleted
-
The population of steelhead in the Thompson are well recognized as one step beyond critical. Every single individual is very significant at this point. A rather long ways from anywhere near "healthy". The FOOL that is targeting on them is doing so out of sheer arrogance, while contributing to the decline.
He should be caught and severely punished.
And you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting his actions!
Unbelievable! :-[
And btw, your obvious attempt at getting this thread shut down has been recognized.
Don't take the bait and get too heated in your comments folks.
For that is what this one is looking for methinks...
Ticked,
Nog
-
one of forty returned fish? good fisherman
-
This pisses me right off. What a pig.
-
The white man come with gillnets and whipped out the population then blames natives in a racists post for practicing traditions they have done for thounsdands of years while sustaining a perfectly healthy population.
Come on guys
How on earth can you possibly defend these actions. I honestly can’t tell if your actually the stupidest person in the online fishing community or if your the best troll. Defending a genocide of endangered steelhead and rallying to close hatchery rivers. You are absolutely unbelievable. You self admittedly have no experience steelhead fishing and yet you still feel the need to express your ignorant opinion time and time again.
This has nothing to do with racism. There’s petitions circulating across the internet calling for the banning of all Gill nets during these steelheads migration period. No one on here supports the chum roe commercial fishery. If you really want to split hairs there was only a few white commercial openings yet there was FN nets out on the Fraser for 25 days in October this year. If you were wondering there never was traditional fisheries that included overseas sales of chum roe
There was an optimistic estimated return of 160 fish and this one individual single handedly killed 5-10% of the returning fish. There is no excuse for this scale of poaching. If he is indeed a fn and he needed fish to eat he should have taken advantage of the rod and reel openings in the region for chinook that lasted all summer long. Not to mention December summer runs are not worthy of table fair to anyone not on the brink of starving to death
one of forty returned fish? good fisherman
Nothing skilled about it. These fish congregate in the same wintering holes year after year. Making them extremely vulnerable as they sit and stage within easy casting distance. Having not seen a hook in months it would have been as easy as shooting fish in a barrel for anyone who can cast a spinning rod 30 feet.
-
deleted
-
Also no need to blur out his face or name. He posted these pictures bragging on public sportfishing pages on social media. He can suffer the consequences. His name is Alex Boysis and his dad is Ben Boysis. I did some digging and found a relative of his with a hero shot of a dead colored steelhead as well. Looks like not giving a play runs in the family
-
IF it has nothing to do with RACE then why did NOG have to put FN in his post. IT was to let everyone know that a First Nations member did it.
Because it’s the same group of Merrit and Nicola band First Nation people doing the same thing every single year
-
This cupcakes should be on the news.
-
This cupcakes should be on the news.
Yeah because we need to give First Nations more ammo the next time DFO meets with them in negotiations.
I can just see it now “chiefs standing up saying how DFO was trying to start a lunch mob on tv against one of their youth members”
-
Also no need to blur out his face or name. He posted these pictures bragging on public sportfishing pages on social media. He can suffer the consequences. His name is Alex Boysis and his dad is Ben Boysis. I did some digging and found a relative of his with a hero shot of a dead colored steelhead as well. Looks like not giving a play runs in the family
Do you know what band he is with? A note to his Chief might help this cause.
-
Says his dad is from Ontario originally but it says he lives in merrit so my best guess would be merrit band. If he’s from an ontario band originally there’s even less justification to his actions. Not that there was any to begin with
-
Do you know what band he is with? A note to his Chief might help this cause.
If this is the same guy as last year - IIRC it was reported to his band council and the FB posting was removed. Provincial policy is that Freshwater Regulations apply to FN people. If it is known who it is it should be reported to RAPP.
-
Also no need to blur out his face or name. He posted these pictures bragging on public sportfishing pages on social media. He can suffer the consequences. His name is Alex Boysis and his dad is Ben Boysis. I did some digging and found a relative of his with a hero shot of a dead colored steelhead as well. Looks like not giving a play runs in the family
While I agree this picture is frustrating, be careful with witch hunting...
-
deleted
-
There was a c/r sportfishing opening. I don’t support that either. It 100% should have been closed to everybody. For the record c/r mortality with proper handling is at about 1%. Honestly chances are it wouldn’t even make it to court. Posts like these do help educate the public on what’s really going on out there.
-
... R you absolutely positive you want this to go to court? do you expect a favorable ruling"...
Treaty Rights are secondary to Conservation. Period Endo.
There is no lawyer on this earth that can successfully argue this particular stock is NOT a Conservation Concern, and that of the highest magnitude.
Emergency SARA considerations and all.
So, to argue that these actions are simply exercising treaty rights of harvest is completely out to lunch.
They are poaching, regardless of racial history as I noted.
I will be contacting this fellow's Band Council in this regard.
I will be amazed should they not also see it the way I do.
Regardless, I will post their response, when and if received.
Nog
-
^ best post on here
-
I just can't fathom how stupid some people are, blatantly breaking the rule and then posting it on Facebook for all to see.
Actually I'm glad there are those who break every rule in the book then make it that easy to figure out who they are. Too bad more wrongdoers aren't so considerate.
-
Such a shame to see our generation / governments not preserving endangered species.
-
The white man come with gillnets and whipped out the population then blames natives in a racists post for practicing traditions they have done for thounsdands of years while sustaining a perfectly healthy population.
Come on guys
Tell me exactly how the “whipped” cream effected the fish stocks please?
-
He has an explanation for all the other stupid garbage he posts so I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he has an explanation for that
-
There was an old Japanese lady in Spences Bridge who ran a resort. She showed me old pictures at the front desk of fishermen & their Steelhead catches.
I imagine she is dead now as this was back in the 80s 90s...
This fishery has been in bad shape for a long long time.
Did have a young native boy offer to sell a steelhead to me in Boston Bar when passing thru.
180 steelhead left.
Only a miracle could save these fish to exist much longer in these area waters.
Odds are just too great for this wonderful fish to survive.
-
Isn’t the river open for First Nations?
-
Sad state of affairs to witness the finale to a great run of steelhead, and with so many to blame in the demise, this hero stands alone as the scapegoat for all to call out.
Reminds me of fishing the lower Skeena back in the 90's during late summer/fall as the coho, steelhead and pinks migrated past the endless line of bar rods. People dragging steelhead up onto the bars only to pop the big barbed hook out and kick them back, people doing their darnedest to snap off pinks so they could recast before the next wave of fish. My things have changed.......
And yet here we are, awestruck at the audacity that is someone shooting the final buffalo.
-
He lives in merrit so whatever band that is.
-
Sad state of affairs to witness the finale to a great run of steelhead, and with so many to blame in the demise, this hero stands alone as the scapegoat for all to call out.
Reminds me of fishing the lower Skeena back in the 90's during late summer/fall as the coho, steelhead and pinks migrated past the endless line of bar rods. People dragging steelhead up onto the bars only to pop the big barbed hook out and kick them back, people doing their darnedest to snap off pinks so they could recast before the next wave of fish. My things have changed.......
And yet here we are, awestruck at the audacity that is someone shooting the final buffalo.
well put.
-
Isn’t the river open for First Nations?
absolutely 100% notSad state of affairs to witness the finale to a great run of steelhead, and with so many to blame in the demise, this hero stands alone as the scapegoat for all to call out.
Reminds me of fishing the lower Skeena back in the 90's during late summer/fall as the coho, steelhead and pinks migrated past the endless line of bar rods. People dragging steelhead up onto the bars only to pop the big barbed hook out and kick them back, people doing their darnedest to snap off pinks so they could recast before the next wave of fish. My things have changed.......
And yet here we are, awestruck at the audacity that is someone shooting the final buffalo.
This type of ignorance deserves whatever it gets. He is not the reason for the Thompson demise but with these fish on their last legs what he’s been doing is nothing short of disgusting. Let him have it
-
The white man come with gillnets and whipped out the population then blames natives in a racists post for practicing traditions they have done for thounsdands of years while sustaining a perfectly healthy population.
Come on guys
Do you ever make a well thought out post ? Your condoning this behaviour?are you FN? Your always defending their actions... Fish on saviour of the Environtment...fish on!! Guess you really don’t care about the future generations.
The river should be closed to everyone, the days of FN getting special treatment are going to come to an end sometime when the greater cause of the environment is realized...probably by then it will be too late. The state of the Thompson is so critical that if the FN did care they wouldn’t be fishing it... your not selling these steelie and the argument that it’s for ceremonial purposes...come on ::)gimme a break.
The day will come when the FN will have to play by the same rules as everyone else in this country...hopefully sooner than later... you can’t go out and kill whales and net salmon for all of eternity just because your ancestors did that. Times are changing...cultures are changing.... white people blame FN....FN blame the white nets...bla bla bla... if you cared about the fish then everyone should agree that errors were made by EVERYONE and the rivers should just be closed.
Wildmanyeah... either the best troll or one of the dumbest people on this forum. Was he out at the Boxing Day derby telling people not to post pics on social media like he proposed earlier?
-
let's see - there is no link to the supposed Facebook page. There is no time info for the photos (they could be years old) and the face of the poacher is deliberately obscured. Why? Is original post is just an attempt to stir a tempest in a teapot? Keep your shirts on.
The responsible thing to do with the information is to turn it over to the band and to the CO Service so they can investigate. So ask again has this been done?
-
let's see - there is no link to the supposed Facebook page. There is no time info for the photos (they could be years old) and the face of the poacher is deliberately obscured. Why? Is original post is just an attempt to stir a tempest in a teapot? Keep your shirts on.
The responsible thing to do with the information is to turn it over to the band and to the CO Service so they can investigate. So ask again has this been done?
A welcome dose of sanity in this discussion. Thanks, Ralph!
-
This type of ignorance deserves whatever it gets. He is not the reason for the Thompson demise but with these fish on their last legs what he’s been doing is nothing short of disgusting. Let him have it
Ignorance, maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of perspective.....
Let me be clear, I don't condone his actions at all. It's a social media ploy aimed at angering those that care so dearly for what's left of a magical run of fish.
Ignorance is however, allowing farmers to drain spawning creeks to dangerously low levels and mortally high temperatures. It's allowing fishers of all colours to harvest an essentially crucial salmon to the ecosystem for dog food and an overseas delicacy. It's continuing unsustainable logging and habitat destruction province wide in the name of profits.
But publicly shaming this individual is exactly the reaction he was looking for, I mean I rarely post here anymore and it got me posting. It does nothing but add fuel to the fire and adds incentive to do it again.
Perhaps the best course action is to just ignore this individuals action and hope he finds a new hobby.
-
The responsible thing to do with the information is to turn it over to the band and to the CO Service so they can investigate. So ask again has this been done?
Letter emailed to the Merritt Band yesterday, and will be snail mailed tomorrow.
CO Service notified by another via direct Facebook links.
Cheers,
Nog
-
--destruction of habitat and not managing by-catch just isn't as obvious, catch-22
-
deleted
-
The whole point of NOGS post was to incite hatred towards a whole culture.
And there you go with yet another attempt at getting the thread shut down. No surprise I guess. :o
The reason the FN notation stayed was because it is directly relevant.
This poacher is hiding behind treaty rights while engaging in an activity he well knows is wrong.
He has been sanctioned for this behavior before, yet continues it regardless.
ZERO respect for the Resource.
ZERO respect for his own culture.
ABUSE of the treaty rights afforded his people.
In short, a complete disgrace.
You trying to spin this into a witch hunt speaks volumes.
This fellow a friend of yours?
Wondering...
Nog
-
let's see - there is no link to the supposed Facebook page. There is no time info for the photos (they could be years old) and the face of the poacher is deliberately obscured. Why? Is original post is just an attempt to stir a tempest in a teapot? Keep your shirts on.
The responsible thing to do with the information is to turn it over to the band and to the CO Service so they can investigate. So ask again has this been done?
Alex Boysis
Take a look Ralph. You won’t believe your eyes. His father does the same.
-
let's see - there is no link to the supposed Facebook page. There is no time info for the photos (they could be years old) and the face of the poacher is deliberately obscured. Why? Is original post is just an attempt to stir a tempest in a teapot? Keep your shirts on.
The responsible thing to do with the information is to turn it over to the band and to the CO Service so they can investigate. So ask again has this been done?
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008695959277&ref=br_rs
-
The whole point of NOGS post was to incite hatred towards a whole culture. I told him if he removed FN from his post that I would delete all my posts. He still wont remove it. He could of just as easily posted the pictures of this individuals egregious behavior without including his ethnicity but he choose to throw all First Nations people under the same bus. look at his choice of words "gleeful FN fellow on Facebook". Like hes rubbing it in your face you better hate him
The first nations of the upper fraser river are some of the best on the fraser and work really well with DFO. How do you think next time DFO is in negotiations to stop a protest fishery its going to go next time?
Nog wanted a witch hunt with his post and he got one. The facebook poster is well aware of what his action of posting the picture might do and you all just proved him right about your hatred towards his culture and ethnicity.
Sure I had a Troll Like response to Nogs post and for that I apologise as it seems to have caused much anger in all of you. Yes I also did say not to post pictures of of Chilliwack steelhead on social media because at a time when we are trying to bring awareness to the public attempting to explain to them hatchery vs Wild, This stream VS that stream despite them both migrating threw the fraster. It just really muddies the water to the general public who in the end like it or not sway the government decisions. Pick someone in the general public that knows nothing about fishing and attempt to explain to them its okay for sports fishermen to harvest them here, Not okay for natives to harvest up the river but its okay for catch and release. Like it's just Fing impossible
We are also under an NDP/Green and a Fed Lib government its not the time to go after FN. We need to just take our licks and move to a more favorable government thats willing to take action against FN.
Go write some letters to your government officials like I did.
I think that your trolling has put your credibility in question. I know that the OP has been a touch feisty with his forced confinement but there is no logical way to paint this issue in an anti-Indian light.
When someone kills one of these fish and brags on Facebook there is no arguement that you can use to support him. The facts are that he is an Indian and he has bragged about killing steelhead. Paint it however you want. what’s next for you, arguing that Willy Picton should be out on parole because someone called him “challenged”?
-
I searched the Nicola Tribal Association website and got zero results for anyone named Boysis. I checked out the FB pages for Alex Boysis and his presumed Boysis relatives and there are no links to or mentions of any of the local bands or band activities and organizations that I could see which would be very odd if they were from one of the Nicola Bands. Unless some of you have information you haven't shared, everything on FB points to all the Boysis on FB likely being of northern Albertan FNs descent, not being BC FNs exercising an "aboriginal right". Which makes his FN origins irrelevant. There are lots of FNs living in the territories of other bands so assuming they are from a local band because of where they live is incorrect and unfair to the local FNs, particularly the Nicola Bands that take steelhead conservation very seriously.
The point is, a poacher is a poacher, regardless of their ethnic origin or where they live. Complaining to the CO service is the right approach.
-
I don't think band members identities are typically posted on the band websites. It's not clear they are FN but ok good bet they are. I took a look at the website and as I said - you've got their identity the Facebook page - pass it on. The possible Dad has a business in Merritt - maybe pass that on. The usual multitudes of hysterical replies don't do anything worthwhile.
Most of the bands do not support members killing fish (endangered or otherwise) outside of their agreements with DFO.
Paint it however you want. what’s next for you, arguing that Willy Picton should be out on parole because someone called him “challenged”?
Mr Pot, good grief ,how ridiculous!
-
I don't think band members identities are typically posted on the band websites.
Not contact names but if they are from the community it's highly likely their elders will be mentioned and the Boysis name should come up in documents. Since all their relatives seem to live in Northern Alberta, that seems to be their likely origin.
-
Best I know FNs from o/s the band have no fishing rights unless granted by the Band Council and true for out of Province more so.
-
I don't think the Nicola Band should be disparaged here unless there is proof they are being complicit with this poacher , but it seems if he is living among them it would be unlikely they don't know about his activities
-
I don't think the Nicola Band should be disparaged here unless there is proof they are being complicit with this poacher , but it seems if he is living among them it would be unlikely they don't know about his activities
I would suggest to NEVER disparage the Band over this poacher's activities. Period.
Every single society everywhere has it's Bad Actors. And many of them are more than difficult to control.
It is NOT the band, it IS this Individual.
Really.
Nog
-
If he’s living in merrit he wouldn’t have any association with the Nicola band at all.
-
I would suggest to NEVER disparage the Band over this poacher's activities. Period.
Every single society everywhere has it's Bad Actors. And many of them are more than difficult to control.
It is NOT the band, it IS this Individual.
Really.
Nog
My post was not directed at you , at no point did you mention the band
-
If he’s living in merrit he wouldn’t have any association with the Nicola band at all.
Why would you assume this ?
-
Because merrit and Nicola are different bands...
-
Because merrit and Nicola are different bands...
There is no "Merritt Indian Band" per se but the 7 or 8 bands around Merritt make up the Nicola Tribal Association or they are affiliated with it. Some are small with less than 200 members but fiercely independent so centralized administration under the NTA makes sense for them.
-
Because merrit and Nicola are different bands...
I would think if he is living in Merritt he would have some contact with other FN in the area and that would be the Nicola Band
-
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/steelhead-poacher-1.4479504