Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: swimmingwiththefishes on November 24, 2017, 10:15:51 AM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/train-derailed-halls-gate-1.4417840
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ffs :-\
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Damn pipelines
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Pipelines?
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Let’s be glad it was only a fuel tank from the engine that leaked and not something worse, and hopefully the train operater is ok.
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Pipelines?
Perhaps he means if there are no future pipelines we can expect more, and far worse fuel spills by rail.
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Perhaps he means if there are no future pipelines we can expect more, and far worse fuel spills by rail.
Bingo, lucky it wasent a trail loaded full of crude.
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Oh I get it, pipelines are better then rail.If your transporting oil,I think trains might be used for other things as well. ;)
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Let the debate begin...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html
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Let the debate begin...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html
Don't compare our system to the US oversight of pipelines
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My comment was only made to suggest which has more catastrophic potential: Rail vs Pipeline...you took it in a completely different direction but if you insist here are some ones close to home... :P
British Columbia South Coast
July 15, 2005: 210,000 litres (1,320 barrels) of crude oil were leaked at the Sumas Tank Farm operated by Kinder Morgan (BC Metis Kinder Morgan Assessment, p. 4).
June 4, 2007: 69,950 litres (440 barrels) of crude oil were spilled at former Wahleach pump station, and reports indicate that the Kinder Morgan pipeline may have been leaking for weeks beforehand (BC Metis Kinder Morgan Assessment, p. 4).
July 24, 2007: 250,000 litres (1,500 barrels) of crude oil spilled out of the pipeline in Burnaby, BC. The crude oil flowed through neighbourhood storm sewers and ditches before entering and contaminating a large portion of Burrard Inlet (CBC).
May 6, 2009: An estimated 200,000 litres (1,260 barrels) of crude oil leaked from Kinder Morgan’s oil storage facility in Burnaby, BC (CBC).
January 24, 2012: An estimated 110,000 litres of crude oil leaked from Kinder Morgan’s oil storage facility on Sumas Mountain in Abbotsford (BC Metis Kinder Morgan Assessment, p. 4).
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https://globalnews.ca/news/1069624/how-do-crude-spills-compare-by-rail-truck-pipeline-you-may-be-surprised/
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Interior steelhead just can't catch a break. I hope that everyoneon board is safe, and that a thorough investigation is conducted.
As for debate, Even if pipelines did spill more (which they don't!) I would take that over another Lac-Megnantic every single day!
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As for debate, Even if pipelines did spill more (which they don't!) I would take that over another Lac-Megnantic every single day!
Pipelines don’t leak? Or have accidents? :o have you been living under a rock?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/pipeline/2016/ssep-sspo-2016.asp
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oil-pipeline-leaks-20150522-story.html
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Pipelines don’t leak? Or have accidents? :o have you been living under a rock?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents
http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/stats/pipeline/2016/ssep-sspo-2016.asp
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oil-pipeline-leaks-20150522-story.html
The second link is a great read and shows direct stats within Canada and the past few years results are in direct correlation to recent changes and due diligence within Canada.
Do pipelines leak...yes unfortunately. Is the NEB oversight getting more and more strict....yes. Are companies operating in Canada getting that much more progressive, frequent and strict on their inspections....yes.
Keep new lines along existing right of way corridors and away from the BC northern coast for all bitumen based lines. Protest for more oversight and emergency preparedness of existing lines especially near any and all rivers and streams.....rather than the usual "NO to any and all pipelines young and old everywhere in the country"
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Never said they don't leak. I know they do. I make my living repairing those leaks (or better hopefully preventing them). But the worst pipeline explosion in Canada killed 28 people, Or about half of those killed in the Lac-Megnantic. That was about 50 years ago, regulations and procedures have become much more strict.
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Never said they don't leak. I know they do. I make my living repairing those leaks (or better hopefully preventing them). But the worst pipeline explosion in Canada killed 28 people, Or about half of those killed in the Lac-Megnantic. That was about 50 years ago, regulations and procedures have become much more strict.
What side? I'm in NDT for Integrity digs
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What side? I'm in NDT for Integrity digs
Small World. I have done to occasional Integrity dig but try to stick to scanning new big inch (though that was not easy this year).
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Small World. I have done to occasional Integrity dig but try to stick to scanning new big inch (though that was not easy this year).
Definitely. I started with new construction, much steadier action and more interesting work for me with Integrity and rotations usually. Probably know a few people in common. Sounds like you'll have a busier summer with numerous companies doing the Line 3 replacement at least.
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Just a thought: thinking about the placement of pipeline routes vs rail lines, which of the two tends to run beside or through more ecologically sensitive areas, such as rivers, lakes, etc.? Or, if the pipeline/rail line is transporting dangerous material (natural gas, etc.), which tends to go through population centres and other infrastructure, running the risk of fire or worse?
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Just a thought: thinking about the placement of pipeline routes vs rail lines, which of the two tends to run beside or through more ecologically sensitive areas, such as rivers, lakes, etc.? Or, if the pipeline/rail line is transporting dangerous material (natural gas, etc.), which tends to go through population centres and other infrastructure, running the risk of fire or worse?
To understand this, one must look at the history of Canada. Cities were built around railways. As such, much more of the population and infrastructure are exposed to rail. Further, Trains have take the path of least resistance. This means usually running along the edges of river (some times for 100s of Kms) and around lakes on the shore lines exposing them to more prolonged hazard. That being said, since cities and people followed the rail way and built along it much of the environmentally sensitive areas have been replaced, or are at least shells of their former selves, and are only occupied by animals that have adapted (coyotes, raccoons, and for the purposes of this forum Chum as other species of Salmon often have different requirements).
Pipelines, with the advances in technology, are able to go under a river, a lake, even a mountain. But this means they are able to punch straight through areas that would of been impossible to cross when the majority of railways in Canada were built. The areas that are often the last remaining vestiges of wilderness around. But the one saving grace is that once the pipeline is down, that is it. The areas are usually allowed to return to a relatively natural state. There is no constant human caused disturbance, no animals getting trapped in the tracks by huge snow banks while several thousands of tons bear down on them. But they are there, and are always flowing.
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That was a good read, thanks Tylsie :)