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Title: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 23, 2017, 10:51:26 PM
ok so if you think your going to catch a fish tomorrow
forget it i am looking at 20 boats sitting on the south side
just waiting for the gun to go of in the morning   

and these are comercial boats

cnm
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: TimL on October 24, 2017, 06:45:22 AM
You talking about the Fraser mouth? Commercial openings today and Friday (27th).  :(
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 24, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
well i live a stones throw from the golden ears bridge
i also work a pebbles throw from the golden ears bridge
a very good friend of mine runs a shift change boat
moors his boat at my dock
he ran from stevston to here last night took him 3 hrs
you should be able to do it 1.5

alot of commercial boats in the way
plus our local FN were out there on sat and sunday

the last com boat left about 1 hr ago

cnm
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: avid angler on October 24, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
I thought there was a conservation concern for interior steelhead? Guess I was wrong  ::)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 24, 2017, 10:04:01 PM
thats what i was thinking too
thompson coho is over so i guess
its game on

cnm
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: chris gadsden on October 24, 2017, 10:07:45 PM
I thought there was a conservation concern for interior steelhead? Guess I was wrong  ::)
They seem to do this every year, part of the problem for the decline of these stocks, another bad decision by FOC the same as allowing ocean located FF.

Take note SS but he only reads FF threads. :P
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: santefe on October 24, 2017, 10:11:26 PM
Spent 4 hrs off Sandheads today, no luck.  Lots of gill netters about, watched a few nets being pulled and didn't see many fish caught either.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 24, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
ok chris ive been out of the loop for a while
who is ss
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 24, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
and who is ff
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: cammer on October 24, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Was out today, and I've never been Skunked in good conditions in October in my life at this particular spot and guess what,,not a coho to be found in near perfect condition s, between native and commercial fisheries and FF,s we will see the end of recreational abundances in the near future, sad
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: greyghost on October 25, 2017, 12:56:00 AM
Was out today, and I've never been Skunked in good conditions in October in my life at this particular spot and guess what,,not a coho to be found in near perfect condition s, between native and commercial fisheries and FF,s we will see the end of recreational abundances in the near future, sad
Ouch cammer! Perfect conditions is an understatement! Doom and gloom! Not! I beat on them good yesterday! Some really nice slabs! Bang! Bang! Have a nice day! :)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 25, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
I thought there was a conservation concern for interior steelhead? Guess I was wrong  ::)

They are about to be all gilled and suffocated to death. no concern to worry about

Boats space about a 100m spaced out as i drove over golden ears bridge on both sides of the river
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: poper on October 25, 2017, 10:13:08 AM
Wow there is the most boats I have seen ever out on the lower fraser today, maybe a few jacks will get threw, lol, I don’t think much more will
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: CohoJake on October 25, 2017, 11:19:27 AM
Was out today, and I've never been Skunked in good conditions in October in my life at this particular spot and guess what,,not a coho to be found in near perfect condition s, between native and commercial fisheries and FF,s we will see the end of recreational abundances in the near future, sad
This was before the commercials started netting though, wasn't it?   I was also out yesterday - released a 12 inch coho jack and saw several others caught just like it.  Certainly not as many coho around as there should be right now, but it isn't a total bust.  I would say the conditions were still a bit higher than ideal.  If this weekend is a bust as well, then we can all start saying the sky is falling.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: Noahs Arc on October 25, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
Vedder canal and Dewdney in the boat were a ghost town this morning in terms of fish.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: fic on October 25, 2017, 12:23:26 PM
The other Fraser River Mouth opening on Friday October 27th is just in time for the weekend warriors lol.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: cammer on October 25, 2017, 12:34:55 PM
The big picture is bleak, few spots here n there will see flourishes but you can't have 35 years experience on Rivers and not think "the end is near ".   We can't pulverize females of a species and expect any type of long term survival,   we can't overload disease onto wild fish and expect nothing but disaster, . I didn't see one single chum where I was yesterday telling me of a disaster in making.     Not doom.gloom just a reality check
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: Hike_and_fish on October 25, 2017, 01:20:51 PM
Took the jet up the Stave yesterday. The only thing we caught were some dark Chum. Nothing fresh. We talked to lots of people on the water and nobody caught a fresh Chum. On our way out under the Hwy bridge from shore to shore starting on the north west corner on the Stave/Fraser was a net going north/south. We drove past 4 other boats between the Stave and the Mission bridge yesterday afternoon. All of them had they're nets out. It was a brutal day. Very disappointed.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: Knnn on October 25, 2017, 04:23:32 PM
We can't pulverize females of a species and expect any type of long term survival

  ??? ::)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: Tangles on October 25, 2017, 04:51:49 PM
In unison with the others the Stave chum fishery has been going downhill for awhile now. I have pictures of piles and piles of literally thousands of carcasses washed up on the same day 5-6 yrs ago. Now there's barely enough for that famous chum stench.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 25, 2017, 05:39:16 PM
Rather than join the whining might I suggest:

Penning a letter to Fisheries Minister Dominic LeBlanc; dominic.leblanc@parl.gc.ca. CC your MP.

Write it yourself, don't use some form letter since these are apparently all stacked and counted as 1
 
The estimated return for Thompson fish is estimated at 175, Chilcotin is 55. This doesn't include terminal river poaching or over winter fatalities.

Point out that sport anglers on the Fraser are consistently requested to use selective techniques and endure closures for the good of other endangered stocks. How about the Commercial and FN sectors?

Point out that per their own voluntary catch reports, most FN Thomspon fish are caught in the sector between Mission and Hope. Why are FNs using drift nets in October & November? Why shouldn't all FN fisheries switch to selective methods such as beach seines

All chum fisheries should be based on beach seines or other selective methods with the focus on terminal river fisheries such as is done on the Harrison. Consider release of male salmon since these have low commercial value and would be more valuable in river to contribute to the ecosystem

Email BC's Minister of the Environment George Heyman george.heyman.MLA@leg.bc.ca cc the Premier

demand the Province outline and put in place a Interior Fraser Steelhead rescue and recovery program by 2018 summer.

demand the Province seek protocols consistent with the plan with DFO and these be put in effect by summer 2018

The previous Government sat on it's hands for 16 years while IFS sticks collapsed and
BC anglers let them off the hook by concentrating blame on DFO and FNs. Steelhead are a Provincial responsibility.

Get cracking & do something other than cry in your beer!

(http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=6110)

(http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=6111)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 25, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
Commercial should use reef nets
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 25, 2017, 09:36:41 PM
thanks
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: clarki on October 25, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
A number of years ago, there were selective commercial fisheries for chum salmon using beach seine and tangle tooth net methods. If I recall these were a pilot fishery by some First Nation groups.

Does anyone know if these methods are still practiced with any regularity?
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: milo on October 25, 2017, 10:58:28 PM
The other Fraser River Mouth opening on Friday October 27th is just in time for the weekend warriors lol.
Yeah, thanks, putting salt on an open wound and rubbing it in.
Man, I'll be fishing this weekend even if it is for whitefish. Maybe I get lucky and catch a stale coho. ::)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 26, 2017, 06:40:06 AM
A number of years ago, there were selective commercial fisheries for chum salmon using beach seine and tangle tooth net methods. If I recall these were a pilot fishery by some First Nation groups.

Does anyone know if these methods are still practiced with any regularity?

beach seines are still in use on the Fraser. You can see on the current FN openings for the Fraser:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/CommunalOpeningTimes.pdf



Title: Re: heads up
Post by: clarki on October 26, 2017, 09:13:58 AM
beach seines are still in use on the Fraser. You can see on the current FN openings for the Fraser: https://www.slideshare.net/iloveppt/effective-feedback-delivery-11800826

Is that the right link, Ralph, or did you copy and paste something that was intended your supervisor? :)
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 26, 2017, 09:18:03 AM
I just about sent a letter that was titled "Fraser River Cum Fishery" Will post up when im done
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: clarki on October 26, 2017, 09:30:28 AM
I just about sent a letter that was titled "Fraser River Cum Fishery" Will post up when im done

Geez, I hope you didn't title it that!
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 26, 2017, 09:49:12 AM
Is that the right link, Ralph, or did you copy and paste something that was intended your supervisor? :)

oops that was the wife's link as she was doing work stuff late last night and early this am. Fixed it.

correct link: http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/CommunalOpeningTimes.pdf
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: clarki on October 26, 2017, 10:15:44 AM
Thanks Ralph. Are the drift or set nets that are indicated gill nets or tangle tooth?
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 26, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
no idea. I assume they are gill nets. Best I recall tangle tooth nets were a pilot project funded by DFO & used by some participating commercial boats Much of the catch was sold live in Steveston. No idea what happened in the long term.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 26, 2017, 10:51:18 AM
RalphH I paraphrase you a bit Here is the letter I send thanks for the push

Dear Minister,


Commercial, Aboriginal and Recreational Chum and Coho fishing is currently taking place in the Fraser River (British Columbia).   while I am ecstatic at the opportunity to be able to fish these species.  Once stock of great concern the Thompson Steelhead is currently migrating though the Fraser River. 

Thompson steelhead are one of six endangered steelhead stocks, collectively known as Interior Fraser steelhead (IFS), that migrate to a vast area in the Interior of B.C. each fall. IFS are thought to be genetically unique to B.C., having originated from the Columbia River system after the last ice age. All other B.C. steelhead are believed to have originated from Haida Gwaii stocks. This genetic distinction explains the steelheadís greate Ir size and relative strength so highly prized among sport fishers. Each fall, while IFS migrate from the ocean to the streams where they were born to procreate in the following spring, they are intercepted in myriad fisheries along the B.C. and Alaska coast that seek more numerous salmon stocks.

The aggregate run of Thompson, Chilcotin and other Fraser River late-run summer steelhead stocks normally peaks in Johnston Straits and Juan de Fuca Strait in late September. The peak of the run in the lower Fraser test fishing area near Fort Langley is expected on October 10 and the run normally extends through the month of October and into mid-November at that location. Further updates will be provided as the season progresses.

The estimated return for Thompson river Steelhead is estimated at 175, Chilcotin is 55. This doesn't include terminal river poaching or over winter fatalities. Historically, itís thought as many as 10,000 steelhead migrated to the Thompson each year.

Sport anglers on the Fraser are consistently requested to use selective techniques and endure closures for the good of other endangered stocks (Sockeye).

While I agree that the the commercial and First Nations should be allowed to fish on the Fraser River. They should be mandated to use selective fishing techniques like sports fishermen that minimize the impact to IFS stocks. 

All chum fisheries should be based on beach seines, reef nets or other selective methods with the focus on terminal river fisheries such as is done on the Harrison. Consider release of male salmon since these have low commercial value and would be more valuable in river to contribute to the ecosystem

I demand that selective fishing techniques be used! Why are the commercial and First Nations sectors continued to be allowed  to use gill nets when other better selective techniques are available?

Sincerely,
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 26, 2017, 04:19:13 PM
I have sent similar letters using some of the points I made above to LeBlanc and Heyman, cc'd to the Premier, my MP and MLA.

As steelhead are the responsibility of the Province I asked Heyman to develop a rescue and recovery plan to be implemented by summer next year.

I asked LeBLanc to develop a plan to switch the Fraser river chum fishery to selective methods only by September 1st 2018. I also suggested that all male chum caught in such fisheries should be released alive.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: poper on October 26, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
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Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 26, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
well thanks to all who have contributed to this thread
but here we go again the commercial boats are lining up
not as many as Tuesday only six this time in front of the house
wait which is the front drive way or river lol
they are all anchored lights appropriate
im sure more may show up over night waiting for the gun to go off

good luck fishing tommorow

milo grt some BA white fish lets smoke em

cnm 
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 30, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
Fishery Notice
Category(s): COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net
Subject: FN1156-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill net - Chum - Area E - Area 29 - Fraser River -Closed for Balance of 2017 Season

Fraser River Chum

The Area E gill net fishery openings described in FN1096 closed as scheduled at
18:00 hours Friday, October 27, 2017. 

In order to ensure management objectives on interior Fraser steelhead stocks of
concern are achieved, no further Area E fisheries in Area 29 are scheduled for
the balance of the 2017 season. 

Recorded updates for Area E fleet are available at (604) 666-2828.


FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Barbara Mueller, Resource Manager (Fraser River), Delta (604)666-2370

Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1156
Sent October 30, 2017 at 1501
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: Tangles on October 30, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
Don't worry the FN nets will clean out the last little that is left.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: RalphH on October 30, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
I was on the Island visiting family this weekend. Commercial boats including several seiners were working the outside of the harbour when we arrived Fridays at about noon. They were still there when we departed Sunday at 330pm. I would guess strongly the target is the chum run bound for the Nanaimo River

Point: it could have been much worse. The FN fisheries for the most part don't have the impact of a full commercial opening plus they do utilize selective methods to a significant extent. We just need to get that situation to 100% selective.
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: canoe man on October 30, 2017, 08:30:17 PM
well the commercials did leave at six
but yes our local fn did move in saturday
but this time only counted six boats
not the usual twenty or so
same on sunday

but apparently did not affect the stave today
wish i was there
cnm
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on November 08, 2017, 06:45:43 PM

 
Thank you for your email of October 26, 2017, regarding Thompson steelhead stock.
While I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts with me, this topic falls under the purview of the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development.
 
I have shared a copy of your enquiry with my colleague, the Honourable Doug Donaldson, Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development, for his review and consideration. I understand you will receive a response at the earliest opportunity.
 
Thank you again for writing.
 
Sincerely,
 
 
George Heyman
Minister
 
cc:        Honourable Doug Donaldson, Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations
               and Rural Development
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on December 12, 2017, 03:05:21 PM
Looks like someone else is writing letters too.



Actor William Shatner calls for 'immediate action' on declining steelhead population

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/william-shatner-steelhead-1.4444832
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: poper on December 12, 2017, 05:16:41 PM
Ya Iím sure they will listen
Title: Re: heads up
Post by: wildmanyeah on December 21, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
The response they gave me


ecember 21, 2017

 

Dear Concerned Citizen,

 

Thank you for your email regarding the state of the interior Fraser steelhead.  The Province of British Columbia (BC) recognizes that steelhead is an iconic fish species of significant economic, social and ecological importance and thus is of high priority to the province.

 

The provincial objective for steelhead management is to maintain and restore wild steelhead populations to maximize ecological, socio-economic and culture benefits for British Columbia.  It is clear that the current status of these stocks is not in a desirable condition.

 

In 2016, the province published the Provincial Framework for Steelhead Management in British Columbia, which guides the strategies and actions the province undertakes for the conservation and management of steelhead.  This document is available for viewing at: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/docs/Provincial-Framework-for-Steelhead-Management-in-BC-April-2016.pdf

 

Various factors influence wild steelhead during their freshwater and marine phases of their life cycle.  Factors influencing steelhead in the marine environment include fisheries by-catch mortality, predation mortality and ocean conditions.  These factors are under federal management authority and, to a large extent, difficult to manage.

 

One area of the marine life cycle where there is the potential to influence adult abundance is by-catch management in salmon fisheries.  The federal governmentís salmon Integrated Fisheries Management Plan (IFMP) process, undertaken annually for North and South BC coasts, provides an opportunity to incorporate steelhead management objectives within the broader planning process for the harvesting of salmon.  The province endorses efforts to minimize exposure of summer-run steelhead to salmon fisheries in times and places of steelhead migration.  Efforts might include limiting fisheries that are only modestly selective.  In the short term, the province will continue to work with the federal government (i.e. Fisheries and Oceans Canada) to improve data and information for steelhead and to develop a joint steelhead management objective in federal IFMP.

 

Administration of the recreational freshwater sport fishery is a provincial responsibility delegated from the Government of Canada.  Therefore, fisheries management tools immediately available to support steelhead management include recreational angling regulations.  Regulations can be implemented to alter mortalities associated with recreational angling via harvest restrictions, gear restrictions and time/area restrictions.

 

The recreational freshwater fishery is already limited to a short time window and is catch and release.  Changes may be considered to close the recreational opportunity completely.

 

Habitat protection and restoration measures can influence the productive capacity of freshwater habitats to produce juvenile steelhead where habitat is limiting, degraded or fragmented.  Currently, proposals for Fisheries Sensitive Watersheds and Temperature Sensitive Streams are being developed in the interior of the province.

 

Improving steelhead management to maintain and restore wild populations of steelhead will undoubtedly depend on the effectiveness of our shared stewardship across governments, First Nations, industry, stakeholder and special interest groups, and the public at large.  Thank you for your letter as raising your concerns continues to raise the profile of issues affecting these important stocks.  We appreciate your desire to conserve interior Fraser steelhead stocks.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ward Trotter
Executive Director
Natural Resources

 

pc:       Honourable Doug Donaldson, Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource
   Operations and Rural Development
Honourable George Heyman, Minister of Environment and Climate Change Strategy


Thank you for your letter as raising your concerns continues to raise the profile of issues affecting these important stocks.  We appreciate your desire to conserve interior Fraser steelhead stocks.

This is why its not just import to sign petitions but also send in personal letters how u guys are willing to take action