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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mcallagan on August 22, 2017, 10:42:46 AM
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/oops-after-accidental-release-of-atlantic-salmon-fisherman-being-told-catch-as-many-as-you-want/
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if these escapees taste anywhere near as bland as the farmed salmon available up in BC then I'd rather eat rockfish.
And speaking of rockfish - man do they taste good lol!
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Another argument why salmon farms should be land based
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Are these fish sterile, or can they reproduce? If they can... Uh oh...
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300,000 escape according Wikipedia
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Wow, you have got to be kidding me. Let's see if anyone catches one of these in the Fraser fishing for pinks.
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Wonder if Almo will sound off on this? American fish farms have always been off limits with her so this should be interesting ...
My bet is very few of these will survive in the wild till they somehow learn to migrate to freshwater, and none will spawn successfully.
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if seals are truly the problem some people claim I am surprised all these fish aren't all dead yet and would expect they would all be gone by the end of the week. No problem!
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"Yellow mouth?"
He said the fish were placed in the pens in May 2016 and treated for yellow mouth, a bacterial infection, in July 2016.
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if seals are truly the problem some people claim I am surprised all these fish aren't all dead yet and would expect they would all be gone by the end of the week. No problem!
Seals only go after Juvenal salmon, Those fat bastards are to lazy to chase down a big salmon. They will however take one off your line if you are kind enough to stop it from running.
it actually does say that tho " The salmon will be food for the seals and the fishermen can enjoy them."
lol silly silly,
Still if I was a fishermen in the area that would be a fun opportunity as I here they put up a great fight equal to steel head.
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Wonder if Almo will sound off on this? American fish farms have always been off limits with her so this should be interesting ...
My bet is very few of these will survive in the wild till they somehow learn to migrate to freshwater, and none will spawn successfully.
I guess it depends if they got imprinted with any fresh water streams nearby? dosent look like any on the map tho
Chinook took over Argentina and streams in chilly after escaping from net pens are calling Atlantic salmon lazy?
https://www.currentresults.com/Invasive-Species/Invasive-Water/chinook-709271.php (https://www.currentresults.com/Invasive-Species/Invasive-Water/chinook-709271.php)
Don't read the link it places the blames on salmon ranching but we really know it was fish farms lol. Jeez im getting as sarcastic as Ralph.
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http://bcsalmonfarmers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/timeline_Atlantic_salmon_Pacific-Coast.pdf
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Interesting attachment there.
Look from 1990 onward.
Now someone tell me that the Atlantic's will not breed on our West Coast.
Are "Juveniles" different than "smolts?"
Look at 1998.
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http://bcsalmonfarmers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/timeline_Atlantic_salmon_Pacific-Coast.pdf
bob, as a farmer, could you elaborate on why an eclipse caused the basic infrastructure of that farm to fail?
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bob, as a farmer, could you elaborate on why an eclipse caused the basic infrastructure of that farm to fail?
Yes, I'd love to know too, especially considering there has been bigger tides this year already.
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bob, as a farmer, could you elaborate on why an eclipse caused the basic infrastructure of that farm to fail?
Keep your speculation going Banx.:) How about you being a speculation specialist, you tell me the facts of the cause.
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Keep your speculation going Banx.:) How about you being a speculation specialist, you tell me the facts of the cause.
bobby, I'm not one of the farmers who told the media the eclipse was the cause. So thats why I asked you, the professional, as to how an eclipse can cause the basic failure of a farms infrastructure.
why would you deflect a question. if people want facts on farms, you are the provider. so why robert, did an eclipse cause the problem?
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bobby, I'm not one of the farmers who told the media the eclipse was the cause. So thats why I asked you, the professional, as to how an eclipse can cause the basic failure of a farms infrastructure.
why would you deflect a question. if people want facts on farms, you are the provider. so why robert, did an eclipse cause the problem?
Because it didn't!
Now even "farmers" are admitting it.
FISH FARM OWNER BACKS OFF ECLIPSE CAUSE FOR ATLANTIC SALMON SPILL
http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/tech/science/environment/fish-farm-owner-backs-off-eclipse-cause-for-atlantic-salmon-spill/467282208
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The number of escaped farmed salmon seems to be much higher than originally thought as these pens can hold up to three hundred thousand fish. Also these fish are now being caught in and around river systems in that area. Aside from introducing a non-native species to the ecosystem these farmed salmon can be the carrier of disease which could have a negative impact on existing wild salmon stock.
Here is part of a newspaper article that ran in one of the newspapers down South:
"With wild salmon runs already depressed, the tribe does not want native fish subjected to competition for food from the Atlantic salmon or potentially exposed to disease, Jefferson said. The farmed Atlantic salmon also have made their way into the Nooksack River, where Lummi fishermen have had treaty-protected fisheries for generations.
“We are concerned about impact on the spawning grounds,” said Timothy Ballew II, chairman of the Lummi Indian Business Council. “That could have lasting impacts on the future runs. This needs to be taken seriously. There are currently chinook in the river, and coho on the way. Our habitat is already in fragile state and adding this to the mix does not help.”
The tribe felt pressed to pay buyers to take the fish because some fishermen have had trouble selling them. The fish were treated a year ago for yellowmouth, a bacterial infection, and some of the fish also have deformed mouths. It is not uncommon for farmed fish to have deformities because of living in confined conditions in pens, noted Ron Warren, assistant director at the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The disaster occurred over the weekend, releasing thousands of farmed Atlantic salmon, an invasive species, into Puget Sound waters from a fish farm owned and operated by Cooke Aquaculture Pacific at Cypress Island.
There were 305,000 fish in the pen that collapsed. The company still has no count of the number of escaped fish, but company spokeswoman Nell Halse said Wednesday it is a far greater number than the few thousand initially stated by the company. Neither the company nor the WDFW made any public statement about the accident until Tuesday afternoon....."
Aside from these escaped salmon we are unfortunately learning more about how these fish farms are run, but also how the fish they farm can have a negative impact on wild salmon.
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I wonder if any of us will catch these Atlantic salmon on the Fraser or Vedder. It might be tough to identify them since we are not used to seeing them in the wild.
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I wonder if any of us will catch these Atlantic salmon on the Fraser or Vedder. It might be tough to identify them since we are not used to seeing them in the wild.
Actually they're quite easy to spot. They're the ones sporting 2 mouths, swim upside down and elongated.
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I wonder if any of us will catch these Atlantic salmon on the Fraser or Vedder. It might be tough to identify them since we are not used to seeing them in the wild.
Maybe FOC will open the Fraser for us so we can catch some of these escaped fish. Should be easy to catch with 2 mouths. :-X ::)
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Maybe FOC will open the Fraser for us so we can catch some of these escaped fish. Should be easy to catch with 2 mouths. :-X ::)
;D :D :D
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An easy to read, super accurate, super edicational post that should open some eyes as to how insignificant this spill is (and to what else is going on in our oceans that should REALLY make people's blood boil). This guy did an awesome job of a brief history, past events, and what is currently going on.
https://craigmedred.news/2017/08/27/bad-salmon/
Some points people should really take to heart:
"The two scientists found that pink salmon were so heavily grazing the North Pacific Ocean and the Bering Sea that short-tailed shearwaters, which eat similar foods, were going hungry."
"...researchers reported that “straying” hatchery fish have flooded some Alaska rivers in such numbers that they helped cause “salmon-induced oxygen depletion” that choked and killed wild fish."
"In Prince William Sound, Alaska, 77 percent of surveyed streams contained hatchery pink salmon from three or more hatcheries, and hatchery strays comprised zero to 98 percent of pink salmon escapement within individual streams."
Perhaps one of the most important parts of that paper that people should read:
"It appears that the issues of disease transfer between wild and farmed fish and of escapes are minor. Instead, declines in wild stocks are attributed to habitat degradation, changing oceanic conditions, and effects from breeding with public hatchery fish, together with high harvest rates and a decrease in adult size." and goes on to say after that "Any environmental impacts from escaped farmed Pacific salmonid are likely to be dwarfed by the number of releases by public hatcheries, which are breeding native, wild species."
There is a reason Atlantic's are used here. One of the BIGGEST issues on the east coast with salmon farming was the use of a native species. Escaped fish spawned and destroyed the gene pool, and diseases were able to spread between the same species. Pacific coast farms actually use to use mostly Chinook and Coho and switched to Atlantic's because of the research pertaining to this.
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Thanks for the link, excellent reading!
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https://craigmedred.news/2017/08/27/bad-salmon/
Thanks, and welcome back.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/washington-state-puts-moratorium-on-new-fish-farms-after-salmon-escape-1.4264342
Now if we can just get our newly minted government to do the same....
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https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/archive/2001-2005/2002agf0020-000827.htm
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Guess there's no limit catching these Atlantic salmon.
Chap today told me he seen one medium sized Orca ( only one? ) west from UBC / wreck beach.
If orcas eat these salmon wonder if they will get sick from these "farmed salmon ;D
Honestly I would not eat a farmed fish at 50-75 or 90% discount or even free.
Would not even use them for fertilizer.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/washington-state-puts-moratorium-on-new-fish-farms-after-salmon-escape-1.4264342
Now if we can just get our newly minted government to do the same....
Trudeau has been in for almost two years, so i would not say he is newly minted.....Fish farms have been federal for a number of years now since the court ruling..
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First Atlantic salmon caught in area 20 test fishery yesterday
Comments:
<Cottonwood GN> Gilled vs. Tangled: Sock Adult: 9 (0), Sock Jack: 1 (0), Pink: 19 (0), Chin Adult: 5 (0). Up to 4
seals observed, one pink destroyed by seals.
<Whonnock GN> Gilled vs. Tangled: Sock Adult: 9 (7), Pink: 31 (10), Chin Adult: 9 (5). Up to 3 seals observed.
<Area 12PS> Set 5 was not representarive, lead line went over corks.
<Area 20PS> Caught 2 Atlantic salmon
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http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/escaped-atlantic-salmon-found-in-waters-near-sechelt
Male and female caught and they had eggs. I am guessing we will get offspring out of these fish. Since these fish are likely genetically related, they will be doing it Game of Thrones style.
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/salmon-saumon-eng.html#gear (Tab on the far right)
What is the Atlantic Salmon Watch Program?
The Atlantic Salmon Watch Program (ASWP) is a research program operated by Fisheries and Oceans Canada. The purpose of the program is to study the abundance, distribution and biology of Atlantic salmon in British Columbia and its adjacent waters. The ASWP monitors reports from commercial and sport catches and observations of Atlantic salmon throughout British Columbia. The program relies on recreational and commercial fishers, fish processors, government and independent field staff and hatchery workers to report observations of Atlantic salmon.
How do you distinguish Atlantic salmon from Pacific salmon?
(http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/images/identify-identifier/atl-eng.jpg)
What should I do if I catch an Atlantic salmon?
Keep the fish and report the capture by calling the ASWP toll-free reporting line at 1-800-811-6010. You will be asked where and when you caught the fish and if you wish to donate the fish or part of it for research purposes. Donation is not mandatory but it does provide valuable samples for our scientific study. For whole fish donation, the entire fish, including entrails, should be frozen or kept on ice. Alternatively, the head and a small portion of the back including scales can be preserved. ASWP staff will arrange for transport of the sample.
Report all captures of Atlantic salmon to: 1-800-811-6010 (toll-free).
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They're here!
https://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/photos/a.377539272711.161655.78768862711/10155002424732712/?type=3&theater
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https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/atlantic-salmon-caught-in-bc-waters-far-north-of-damaged-us-fish-farm/article36126206/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
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And in white rock!
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/atlantic-salmon-catches-hint-at-widening-circle-of-escaped-fish-in-b-c-waters
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Same Company:
State finds structural flaws in Cooke net pens off Bainbridge
http://www.king5.com/tech/science/environment/state-finds-structural-flaws-in-cooke-net-pens-off-bainbridge/481987779?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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One was caught in the Harrison this past weekend... :-\
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Disturbing update on this story...
http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/conservation-group-says-escaped-atlantic-salmon-were-infected-with-virus/701657084
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:o...... ::)