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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Birkenhead on May 24, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
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I was reading this BC focused article: http://bcfishn.com/kokanee-fishing-101/ and it shows a double (trailing) hook setup for Kokanee fishing.
Also their YT video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC6bgjBPlN0 shows the same setup. However I cannot see in the BC freshwater regs where a double hook setup is legal as it is clearly written as:
angle … fish (with or without a rod) with
one fishing line to which only one hook,
one artificial lure OR one artificial fly is
attached.
Am I mistaken in the regs wording or is the webpage and video (which again - is BC focused) incorrect in using a double hook setup for fishing in BC?
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Not mistaken. I pointed out to them last year advertising a chumming product and how to use it here
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I'm glad I saw this. I'm going to have to go and cut some hooks off my lures.
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I was out again last night. A trailing hook would do wonders if it were legal. Must have gone 10:1 bites to hookups. If not worse.
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A double (trailing) or triple hook is part of one fly or one lure. Regulations don't set restrictions about using hooks with more than one point on flies or lures in lakes (by the way, regulations pointed out that it is unlawful to use a hook with more than one point in any river, stream, creek or slough). So, one line to which one fly with two hooks are attached is an allowable setup.
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A double (trailing) or triple hook is part of one fly or one lure. Regulations don't set restrictions about using hooks with more than one point on flies or lures in lakes (by the way, regulations pointed out that it is unlawful to use a hook with more than one point in any river, stream, creek or slough). So, one line to which one fly with two hooks are attached is an allowable setup.
Do you have a link to the above info?
BC Fishing Regs also mention.
artificial fly … a single-pointed hook that is dressed only with fur, feathers, hair, textiles, tinsel and/or wire, and to which no external
weight or external attracting device is attached. Two or more hooks tied in tandem is not permitted.
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Yes, you right. Thanks.
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A double (trailing) or triple hook is part of one fly or one lure. Regulations don't set restrictions about using hooks with more than one point on flies or lures in lakes (by the way, regulations pointed out that it is unlawful to use a hook with more than one point in any river, stream, creek or slough). So, one line to which one fly with two hooks are attached is an allowable setup.
Good example of not believing everything you read on a forum regulation wise!
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A trailing hook is 100% legal. The part you quoted from the regs is correct except you have interpreted it wrong. The One hook rule does not apply to a Lure. If it did, you wouldn't be able to fish a Lyman with 2 hooks on it. Most of us use micro hootchie with beads and some sort of a spinning blade. This is a Lure and therefore, you are able to run tandem hooks. The single hook applies to situations like fishing a roe bag and stuff like that.
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Hi Guys! .... Danny here from BCFishn.com
I spoke with Rod Hsu (Fishing with Rod) about this thread and we both agreed it was best I jump in and reply to this thread to help better understand this regulation. I love when discussions like this come up because it provides all of us anglers to help educate each other.
Long story short, using a trailing hook on a Kokanee Lure is a legal method of fishing in BC if the regulation doesn't read single barbless hook. If the regulation is single barbless hook this can be interpreted differently between Ministry CO's and DFO, which is a whole different discussion, but I personally just run one hook in these single hook fisheries.
To get back to the question " Is a Double Hook on a Kokanee lure legal when the regulations DOESN'T STATE single barbless?" Because the hooks come together to make up a single lure they are considered to be part of the lure and is a legal method. I have confirmed this with Ministry officials such as Conservation Officers, and even DFO officers. In fact, I've fished with ministry staff using this method before.
I hope this helps to clarify this regulation for everyone. My recommendation is if you have a question about fishing regulations is to contact our BC Conservation Officers. In BC we have a team of excellent COs that are always willing to help understand regulations and to clarify the wording.
Tight lines everyone and have a great weekend of fishing! :)
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Thanks Danny :D
That clears things up.
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Awesome, thanks for this.
Time to pick up a couple of things like this;
(https://www.mackslure.com/products/25.jpg)
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That's weird because the old timers trolling Lyman Lures at Sheridan all have to cut off one of the hooks.
They must be talking to a different CO.
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Well, they are ruining their lures. I have an email from Jeff Burrows , a senior fish biologist for Fish and Wildlife BC that will set every one straight. Just have to figure out how to post it. Gimme a minute.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/knockturnal/CA6A57E0-7D80-4045-B44A-AA345A63F191_zpsqkijfi4r.jpg)
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Doesn't Sheridan Lake have a water specific single barbless restriction, hence the lyman clipping.
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Doesn't Sheridan Lake have a water specific single barbless restriction, hence the lyman clipping.
It's not in the regs.
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Hi Guys! .... Danny here from BCFishn.com
To get back to the question "Is a Double Hook on a Kokanee lure legal when the regulations DOESN'T STATE single barbless?" Because the hooks come together to make up a single lure they are considered to be part of the lure and is a legal method. I have confirmed this with Ministry officials such as Conservation Officers, and even DFO officers. In fact, I've fished with ministry staff using this method before.
So to clarify, a lure with 2 hooks are allowed if the hooks came with the lure. However in your YT video, you are assembling your own "lure" with double hooks, so would this still be allowed even though the lure (hootchie skirt) did not originally come with the hooks?
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[quote author=typhoon link=topic=41076.msg386664#msg386664 date=1495830217
That's weird because the old timers trolling Lyman Lures at Sheridan all have to cut off one of the hooks.
They must be talking to a different CO.
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--Yes, over time there have been different interpretations...yet the ministry resists changing the wording...one of many government mysteries.
--This really ticks me off as it is not equitable when some people in the know have an advantage. I prefer to be squeaky clean when it comes to the application of these regulations. Perhaps if enough people request the interpretation the ministry will put the explanation on their web site... at least under FAQ.
--As a caution... the interpretation may change over time...I have asked the same question several times over the years. Some answers have been more cautious than the one posted...especially as Shuswap has a single barbless regulation. In particular I have cut the first hook on bucktails...still leaving enough for a rudder and I don't like the idea of fishing in a tournament when others are using the two hooked bucktail. Especially as the lure and fly's are tuned for use with two hooks... modification does change the action.
--Even if not required I do not use the 2 hook rigs in areas where there is a chance of by-catch of species that I intend to release.
--This is kinda like asking a Police Officer if it is OK to drive 101 in a 100 zone.
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If the regulation for the lake is single barbless and/or artificial fly only, trailing hook are not allowed, otherwise a lure or fly can use more than one single or treble hook as long as it can only catch one fish at a time.