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Title: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 13, 2017, 04:57:46 PM
Just walked the wall there for the first time, now I'm wondering if you can shorefish for salmon when the time comes near Lawson and Macdonald (I think) Creeks where they empty out?
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Seatosky on February 13, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
West Van. unfortunately has bylaws to prevent this. It is signed. A few times a year, every year,  I see someone fishing accompanied by the heckling of a geriatric mob forming behind them. Although, ironically they often have dogs with them on the pathway which is also against the bylaws.  :o
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 13, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
Boo.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 13, 2017, 09:57:29 PM
Though there seemed to be spaces between signs...
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 13, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
Get a kayak!  ;)
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 14, 2017, 11:14:39 AM
Been thinking of an inflatable...
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: DanL on February 14, 2017, 12:13:07 PM
West Van. unfortunately has bylaws to prevent this. It is signed. A few times a year, every year,  I see someone fishing accompanied by the heckling of a geriatric mob forming behind them. Although, ironically they often have dogs with them on the pathway which is also against the bylaws.  :o
Typical NIMBYs. I had no idea W.Van had any bylaws prohibiting shore fishing. I wonder what the logic was behind that...
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Birkenhead on February 14, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
West Van. unfortunately has bylaws to prevent this. It is signed. A few times a year, every year,  I see someone fishing accompanied by the heckling of a geriatric mob forming behind them. Although, ironically they often have dogs with them on the pathway which is also against the bylaws.  :o

Does the sign(s) specifically say the actual bylaw number as I cannot find any mention of a fishing ban on the bylaw section of website for West Vancouver.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 14, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
kayak drifting is better than shore fishing. There are too many rocks along the shore and very easy to snag the bottom.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 14, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
My local Costco just got a flat of the Pelican Kayaks in.  $499 online, $399 in store price.  I bought one last year, and love it.  Basic, light, comfy enough for 3-4 hours if not going great distance.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: JustPuttsin on February 14, 2017, 05:53:00 PM
I've thought of fishing ambleside in my kayak but have never fished the salt. Slack tide or incoming would be the ticket there? I've heard the tidal current's are pretty quick there.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Blood_Orange on February 14, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
My local Costco just got a flat of the Pelican Kayaks in.  $499 online, $399 in store price.  I bought one last year, and love it.  Basic, light, comfy enough for 3-4 hours if not going great distance.

I saw those and was very sad we live in a condo with no place to store it. The kayaks look good and $400 seems like a great price!
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 14, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Friend of mine that lives in a condo was able to get a spot in the bike locker for his Yak.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: chironomidking on February 15, 2017, 08:22:43 AM
If there is a bylaw, would in not only apply to fishing from the shore above the high tide mark?  Does the City have any jurisdiction over lands below high tide mark or would it be Provincial or Federal jurisdiction?  Would this be similar to walking a creek or river that is bordered by private land where the owner does not own the property below the high water mark?
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: BananasQ on February 15, 2017, 09:56:45 AM
My local Costco just got a flat of the Pelican Kayaks in.  $499 online, $399 in store price.  I bought one last year, and love it.  Basic, light, comfy enough for 3-4 hours if not going great distance.
I got one too, if memory serves I may have even paid only $299 in an end of March blow-out.  I added a rod holder to it too, fairly straightforward custom.  Not a Hobie, but at 10% of the price its definitely more than 10% good enough!
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 15, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
Yeah, I paid (I think $329 or something like that).  When I got to Costco the day I bought it, I walked by the skid load of them and thought, wow, thats a deal.  I continued shopping and circled back, there was one left, so I snatched it up.

Did you do a flush mount scotty or the standard scotty mount?  Or something else?
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: BananasQ on February 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
Scotty flush-mount; felt it would ease the torque on the hull going the flush-mount option.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 15, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
So, for folk who actually participate in kayak fishing...what happens when you hook into a stubborn chinook? Does it take 45 minutes to pull it in while it drags you out to sea in front of tanker traffic and through the rips?
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: doja on February 15, 2017, 12:28:50 PM
Hooked 10# trout and they pull me around in a kayak that's about 80# so yes it will pull you around but I'd give it a go...  Drop anchor of you want to stop it...  A real anchor that digs. Mines about 5 or 10#
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 15, 2017, 12:47:09 PM
Yeah, flush mount probably does make the most sense.  Scotty does make backing plates that help to spread the torque around.

I've never caught anything bigger than ~3lbs in my yak.  It will be an adventure for sure, will start with Pinks this year and see how it goes.  If one gets in trouble with a big fish, you can break it/cut it.  Not ideal, but safety first.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: BananasQ on February 15, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
Yeah, flush mount probably does make the most sense.  Scotty does make backing plates that help to spread the torque around.

I've never caught anything bigger than ~3lbs in my yak.  It will be an adventure for sure, will start with Pinks this year and see how it goes.  If one gets in trouble with a big fish, you can break it/cut it.  Not ideal, but safety first.

I do recall that I placed large washers (can't recall the term for them now) in lieu of a backing plate. That'll work fine I reckon, I just wouldn't go running a rigger or using a prawn trap pulley in there, but for a rod its certainly been good enough so far.  Good idea on the pinks.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 15, 2017, 02:13:39 PM
I've thought of fishing ambleside in my kayak but have never fished the salt. Slack tide or incoming would be the ticket there? I've heard the tidal current's are pretty quick there.

Threaten from the big boat is an issue. Kayak in the salt is doable. The worst kayak fishing experience is in Cultus lake in the summer time. Ten times worse than salt.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 15, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
Yeah, I paid (I think $329 or something like that).  When I got to Costco the day I bought it, I walked by the skid load of them and thought, wow, thats a deal.  I continued shopping and circled back, there was one left, so I snatched it up.

Did you do a flush mount scotty or the standard scotty mount?  Or something else?

standard scotty mount. The flush mount is too low. Also, you have to punch larger holes on your kayak. No fish here can flip your kayak.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Steelhawk on February 15, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
West Van. unfortunately has bylaws to prevent this. It is signed. A few times a year, every year,  I see someone fishing accompanied by the heckling of a geriatric mob forming behind them. Although, ironically they often have dogs with them on the pathway which is also against the bylaws.  :o

Is it no fishing from the seawalk or from anywhere along the shore including the rocks beyond the seawalk? I can see no fishing from the seawalk as it is unsafe for others, but why no fishing from rocks away from the seawalk?
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: colin6101 on February 15, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
I've pulled in some big fish from my kayak and it is definitely doable. Usually I find I can bring even decent sized springs in fairly quickly. I think dragging the boat around tires them out as well. This one was caught off Quadra Island on the fly.

(http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae119/colin6101/P1011223.jpg) (http://s963.photobucket.com/user/colin6101/media/P1011223.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 15, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
I've pulled in some big fish from my kayak and it is definitely doable. Usually I find I can bring even decent sized springs in fairly quickly. I think dragging the boat around tires them out as well. This one was caught off Quadra Island on the fly.

(http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae119/colin6101/P1011223.jpg) (http://s963.photobucket.com/user/colin6101/media/P1011223.jpg.html)


Very nice. Unfortunately, fishing in west van sea shore is not as good as Campbell river
I pull out a Chum kayak fishing in Fraser River this year. In the high tide, the river is as calm as small pond.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15095587_10154126240641270_5169093111274684530_n.jpg?oh=ad25b69ede2251628bc9ade0e4958b4a&oe=59338D23)

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14563438_10154074676941270_3678480001063750485_n.jpg?oh=33eff404f652065e2c4d7a0cbb94524c&oe=59473D76)
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 15, 2017, 09:28:12 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: bigblue on February 16, 2017, 05:27:27 PM
From what I am aware, there are two areas between the mouth of Cap and Dundarave Pier in West Van where you can fish from shore: 1. Dog leash off area in Ambleside Park 2. Fishing Pier at 14th St. Other areas are pretty much closed off to fishing.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Ambassador on February 19, 2017, 04:46:33 AM
I had one of those sale $300 Costco packages a couple summers back. I cut up a cutting board and made backing plates for my Scotty rod mounts as the material is pretty thin on those and I was sure would rip out at some point without some sort of backing.
I have since switched to a sit-on-top that I far prefer (Pelican Boost while I save for a Hobie Mirage Drive) - and have kitted it out nicely with rod holders and a fish finder. While a teeny bit less stable, I feel a whole lot safer in it - especially around Ambleside where it can become quite the rodeo from time to time due to winds, currents, and mega-tankers - not to mention much easier dismounting at the shore when the waves are crashing in. Easier to control 2 rods, easier to bring up crab traps, and no chance of getting swamped. Like Damien I have yet to land a Spring on it, but will just cut the line as mentioned should it become unsafe. I've easily landed decent sized Dogfish and Sole down there on it, and battled a much larger beast for a couple minutes before I lost him. Not sure about Springs - hoping for the best - but Pinks will be a breeze. Ecomarine on Granville Island sells cool little kayak parachute anchors that I'm gonna pick up that I can throw out if things get hairy. The guy at the shop has one and was saying really good things about them.

As for lack of storage space - I store mine at Burrard Marina. Comes out to $1 a day for the year. Steps from the water to drop in - and super convenient to drive to and pick up for when we are hitting other waters.

The 2017 Mirage Drive system has a new 180 degree feature I'd love to try out. Sounds like an awesome feature one could activate to prevent a massive Spring from dragging you out into the tanker shipping lanes.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Damien on February 19, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
Smart move using a cutting board.  I did that on my tin boat, glued a piece of cutting board to my transom and then screwed my transducer into it, so I didn't hvae to drill into my aluminum hull.  Should have thought of using it for a backing plate on the Yak.  THat will save a few bucks over the scotty backer for sure.

I would totally upgrade my Yak down the road, but for now I have my 14' with 30hp Yamaha that I use most of the time.  But I like to have the Yak on hand to toss into the local ponds, estuaries and Bedford channel out here in Langley when fishing solo.  Found a Yakima roof top fold down J style Yak rack on craigs for $100.  Pretty stoked to use on the top of my Ford Escape Ecoboost.

Wow, sorry for the thread highjack to the OP.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 19, 2017, 09:03:09 PM
a washer is as enough as the cutting board. The pelican kayak is 1/4" thick. very difficult to break. With four screws mounted the rod holder base, it is very secure.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: Ambassador on February 20, 2017, 12:04:35 AM
Wow, sorry for the thread highjack to the OP.
x2.

The pelican kayak is 1/4" thick. very difficult to break. With four screws mounted the rod holder base, it is very secure.
This is incorrect.

Not saying they don't exist, but no Pelican kayak I've seen is 1/4" thick. The first one referred to is the Pelican Odyssey 100x made of Ram-x material that is wafer thin - my guess without researching it would be between less than 1/16" thick.

Here is a piece from when I modified my Pelican Boost - made of different and much thicker material than the Odyssey - coming in at 3/16".
(http://i.imgur.com/kfk42He.jpg?5)
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: psd1179 on February 20, 2017, 09:05:55 AM
x2.
This is incorrect.

Not saying they don't exist, but no Pelican kayak I've seen is 1/4" thick. The first one referred to is the Pelican Odyssey 100x made of Ram-x material that is wafer thin - my guess without researching it would be between less than 1/16" thick.

Here is a piece from when I modified my Pelican Boost - made of different and much thicker material than the Odyssey - coming in at 3/16".
(http://i.imgur.com/kfk42He.jpg?5)

You must be right. I did not measure. I installed four mounting base. They are all strong enough for abuse. I totally abuse my kayak, wish it break so I can buy new one.
Title: Re: Shorefishing between Ambleside and Dundarave?
Post by: halcyonguitars on February 21, 2017, 01:42:56 AM
OP says say what you will.

Maybe not learning about the specific query, but learning none the less..:)