Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Dave on February 13, 2017, 04:52:48 PM
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So, what’s up with Almo? No blogs I have seen, no activism, no comments about expanding salmon farming in Washington State, nothing … since September 2016.
Perhaps she has seen the writing on the wall wrt to salmon farming? Her voyage with Pam was not what she expected?
Chris, FWR readers need to know and you follow her endeavors religiously … so wasup?
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hopefully she's takinig a nice vacation on bob's dime.
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Well, I doubt Bob is footing the bill if she is indeed on vacation – more likely her mother, Barbara Hubbard. Google her … a very interesting lady.
Seriously, I hope she is well. I don’t Instagram, Twitter or do Facebook so it’s very possible I have missed her latest postings; just know her blog is old and that is not the Almo I have come to know on line.
Chris, I believe, gets all her stuff and has not responded to this request for information … perhaps she has had enough? Possibly a court order requesting media silence until a verdict has been reached in her latest court case?
Gotta say I miss her ;)
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Back in action which will make you happy Dave, lots of reading for you all. Make sure you read the link too.
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2017/02/mystery-solved-this-farm-salmon-disease-is-in-bc.html
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LOL!! typical Almo ... third paragraph in she's asking for money .. here's another opportunity for you to contribute Chris ;)
I found it curious that she thinks the salmon farming industry will try to downplay this find when in the acknowledgements, … We thank the BC Salmon Farmers Association, Cermaq and Marine Harvest for providing longitudinal farm samples to our program, industry veterinarians Barry Milligan and Diane Morrison for farm mortality and environmental data, and farm technicians for aiding in the sampling process on the farms.
When there are further studies linking this to wild Pacific salmon mortalities is when I will pay attention.
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We are back at the Superstore tomorrow afternoon, hope you stop in and join in your favorite song. We have a donation plate for you to drop in some funds for us too. ;D ;D
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We are back at the Superstore tomorrow afternoon, hope you stop in and join in your favorite song. We have a donation plate for you to drop in some funds for us too. ;D ;D
Welcome back Chris. I was getting worried. :)
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Welcome back Chris. I was getting worried. :)
Thanks for your concern, never know at my age of nearly 74, ouch.
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Re-posting for those that may have missed it, always good to hear Dave. https://youtu.be/jU-sGcZJwS0
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Back in action which will make you happy Dave, lots of reading for you all. Make sure you read the link too.
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2017/02/mystery-solved-this-farm-salmon-disease-is-in-bc.html
Lots of reading for all.......if one decides to actually read it which Morton either didn't or can't help but throw in her own false narrative.
Could the piscine reovirus be harmful in one ocean, and harmless in another as was commonly believed? The answer is no. - Alexandra Morton
The authors stated: "Our farm level study was not designed to investigate causal relationships between any agent and histopathological lesions." (Pg. 24)
The authors also reiterated, to date, that no causal relationship between PRV and HSMI has been established. (Pg. 23)
The paper reports that piscine reovirus infects the red blood cells of fish, where it lies in wait for the fish to experience some kind of stress, such as sea lice, handling, disease, warm water etc. at which point it is released and damages the salmon's heart and the muscles the run the length of the fish that are required to swim. This means that every time farm salmon are deloused, the stress of that can cause an outbreak where billions of viral particles will explode into the surrounding waters. What does this mean for wild salmon? Double jeopardy - lice then infection. - Alexandra Morton
Another twists of the facts by Morton. The authors never reported this. I challenge farm critics to find anywhere in the report where it is demonstrated that PRV "lies in wait", then following stress is "released and does the damage Morton claims. Again, the authors never designed their study to find a causal relationship so how can Morton conclude this? It's my opinion that Morton took a section of pg 24 and either misinterpreted it or does what she normally does which is to twist it so it fits her narrative. The authors were saying "If PRV were to have a role in the development of HSMI" - not that they concluded that it did. She probably believes in the Bowling Green Massacre also. She totally exaggerates the movement of viral particles as some explosive event yet no causal relationship between PRV or HSMI has been established.
What the study does point towards is that stressful events tend coincide with the development of HSMI, but not we know that PRV causes HSMI and this is how it does it.
There is a lot of other things the authors say which Morton doesn't mention.
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C'mon Steve, Almo's been away for nearly six months ... a little bit rusty, lol!
Even the die hard ff haters on other forums are staying relatively quiet on this as they know right now there are no links to mortalities in Pacific salmon.
Carry on Almo ... you are a joy to read.
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Well some of those ff haters on the other forums have repeated the same old talking points closely emulating Morton. It's unfortunate but not surprising. At least the study has been made public so people can read it for themselves; however, some will hang to every word Morton says on this and not take the time to read it.
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Another great day on the front lines. ;D ;D ;D
https://youtu.be/yhfy08l0Z_I
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It would be nice if the words to the song were close captioned so we could understand the concept behind the protest. That would make it a lot more interesting and more likely that one would get to the end of the video without falling asleep. I got about half way through and hit the Back button.
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You would think after all these protests at stores selling farmed Atlantic's, with no apparent impact on sales (according to the local Superstore and Walmart managers I have talked to), Eddie and his entourage would have changed tactics. And tunes ;D
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It would be nice if the words to the song were close captioned so we could understand the concept behind the protest. That would make it a lot more interesting and more likely that one would get to the end of the video without falling asleep. I got about half way through and hit the Back button.
Thanks for watching some of it anyway. :P
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You would think after all these protests at stores selling farmed Atlantic's, with no apparent impact on sales (according to the local Superstore and Walmart managers I have talked to), Eddie and his entourage would have changed tactics. And tunes ;D
Most likely just giving you False news. ;D ;D ;D
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Ah, still in denial :o Carry on as I know you will ;)
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Ah, still in denial :o Carry on as I know you will ;)
Of course, it is always a struggle dealing with some governments and agencies as they have made many mistakes in the past dealing with environmental issues as the put money ahead of science.
Look south of the border and they now are going to allow coal tailing to be dumped into waterways I have heard. ::)
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Thanks for watching some of it anyway. :P
So what tribe gave you the song? Is it an actual native song or are the drums and regalia just marketing? The reason I am asking is because a lot of the singers didn't appear to be native.
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Of course, it is always a struggle dealing with some governments and agencies as they have made many mistakes in the past dealing with environmental issues as the put money ahead of science.
Look south of the border and they now are going to allow coal tailing to be dumped into waterways I have heard. ::)
It's a struggle listening to some high profile anti-fish farm activists who can't read and continuously misrepresents science. But yes, that executive order south of the border to eliminate those regulations was disappointing. I'm afraid it will get worse as the new head of the EPA is a climate change denier.
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https://www.biv.com/article/2017/2/dfo-study-links-virus-heart-disease-farmed-fish/
PSF was sharing this on their Facebook page, but of course it's all just propaganda perpetrated by a "very rich and powerful" woman in Sointula with an agenda so it must be completely false and unfounded. The attacks on this woman are absurd. It's shows how she alone is a powerhouse and has put this issue at the forefront.
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No, there is propaganda here, just the beginning of research into the relationships between wild and farmed salmon.
You are obviously on one side of this issue ... I suggest we all wait for further research on this; as of now there is no correlation to Pacific salmon mortalities, unless you can find one in this publication ::)
Just an aside, why do you think "she is a powerhouse"? and why do think she is shunned by most people knowledgeable in these issues?
No, I don't mean us internet experts, I mean real fishery scientists ... trust me, you would have a hard time finding one that would back the majority of her claims.
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https://www.biv.com/article/2017/2/dfo-study-links-virus-heart-disease-farmed-fish/
PSF was sharing this on their Facebook page, but of course it's all just propaganda perpetrated by a "very rich and powerful" woman in Sointula with an agenda so it must be completely false and unfounded. The attacks on this woman are absurd. It's shows how she alone is a powerhouse and has put this issue at the forefront.
Attacks? So when she says something that isn't true and it's clearly pointed out as not being true then that is considered an attack? Sounds like how Trump surrogates behave when Trump's alternative facts are reported. The things that Morton said in my previous post are not true. It's not a hard exercise to go to the study to see where she deviates from the actual findings.
Have you read the study? What I'm quickly finding out is that many fish farm opponents have not read the study because when I read their posts their analysis does match up. If you feel that I have been unfair to her with her take on this study then feel free to show me how she come to those conclusions on PRV. Show me how the study has determined conclusively how PRV causes HSMI? Do you know the difference between speculation or hypothesis and fact?
She alone is a powerhouse? The real powerhouse are those UBC and Carlton grad students and DFO scientists that are conducting real science on this - not taking pictures off of a sailboat and blogging about her interactions, interpretations and speculation. If you had read the study you would have seen that going by clinical signs or increased mortality are not reliable indicators of an outbreak. So, Morton's observations on her sail boat trip last year were not reliable indicators of a disease outbreak or indicative of a specific disease. There's a little more to it and as the authors pointed out at the end it can be easily missed. Read page 25. This study had the luxury of following this one particular farm closely, gathering larger sample sizes (fish at various stages of condition) and were able to pick this up because the sampling was much more intensive over a long period of time. In addition, the technology to screen for these viruses is so much more advanced now then it was 10 years ago. Scientists like Miller can test many more fish samples over many different pathogens at one time.
The powerhouse is also those DFO technicians and biologists that collaborate with university academics to get this work done - working in all weather conditions and late at night. In reality, Morton is an outsider to this real science. She may get her name on the odd report lately to make it appear she is involved, but she is no where involved with the Strategic Fish Health Initiative or any of the current NSERC research being conducted by UBC and Carlton.....and that is a good thing.
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This will certainly bring out some comments, I know Dave had missed Don too.https://youtu.be/MtRUsR_8hk0
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We were back in action last night, filmed this for David. ;D https://youtu.be/F8VgvXB98Us
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We were back in action last night, filmed this for David. ;D https://youtu.be/F8VgvXB98Us
And what action it appeared to be ... thanks for thinking of me ::)
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https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/03/04/Norwegian-Disease-BC-Fish-Farm/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=040317
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Chris, first read the report as it's obvious you haven't done that; we all wonder why you don't read and educate yourself about the stuff you diss before you post??? Then, start at the beginning of this thread and read what was said by Shuswap.
After you've taken all that in, take your meds, and go have a nap.
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Chris, first read the report as it's obvious you haven't done that; we all wonder why you don't read and educate yourself about the stuff you diss before you post??? Then, start at the beginning of this thread and read what was said by Shuswap.
After you've taken all that in, take your meds, and go have a nap.
If I donot post the threads die, have to keep the issues out front and the PAPG happy so you donot have to take meds like the FF fish do. ;D ;D ;D
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Check the spill video at the Fish Farm. ::) :o
https://www.facebook.com/CoastCast/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED