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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fishtruck on November 29, 2016, 01:38:41 PM
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The last few times that I've talked to people that fish the Vedder, asking as a way of keeping conversation going, whether they fish above or below a certain spot they've just mention, I always get the famous " I have a secret spot no one know about". Just curious, from what I understand there are no real secrets as to fishing spots on that river. Sure you can walk the river to find some quiet spots for yourself, but as to no one else knowing that spot, I find that hard to believe. With thousands and thousands of people that have fish that river, surely, every nook and cranny have been explored. Now, having said that, I know the river changes every year, but by the shear number of people that fish that river should make it very hard to find a honey hole that no one know about. What are your thoughts
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Here is a secret map of all the fishing spots.
http://www.bcfishingreports.com/vedder-river.htm
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" I have a secret spot no one know about".
Right ;D ;D ;D
Unless this person is fishing in the closed area he is full of ....
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Take that map down. It's G14 classified.
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'Secret Spots', no.
Spots that are often looked or more difficult to get to. Yep.
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Secret spots = often overlooked spots by inexperienced anglers.
That said there's a few spots that take some serious effort to get to which keeps people away.
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Lol definately no secret spots on the vedder. Way too commercialized by certain businesses to allow for that.
Certainly there are spots that are less frequented, but not in September and October lol!
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There are no secret spots. What's a secret is where the fishing are holding. This season there was a spot in the lower that everyone knew about but it was fishing bad the first part of the season so people stopped going there. Then for a few weeks lots of fish were being taken but everyone had already given up on it.
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KWB. But on the west side. Sssssssshhhhhhhhh.
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There are no secret spots.... there are 'spots' that may produce well at times and may be out of the way ... if by chance someone comes across a spot that nobody else is at and it produces well then that 'someone' may chose to keep that info to themselves ( a secret ) .... but that does not mean it is a secret spot.
As others have pointed out the river does change year to year and a 'spot' that produced well one year may not the next year ( or the next day or week for that matter ) .... it may not even exist the next year.
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"Secret spots on the vedder" ahahahha
The Vedder is the epitome of a factory river. Its pretty much the Wal-Mart of rivers. Its easily my favourite to fish because of the ease of access. Ive hit everyspot from the very top to the very bottom. Some awesome stretches of water :)
The only thing I do not like is ,when compared to other streams, the Steelhead tend to be tightlipped due to the thousands and thousands of "presentations" they get assaulted with over and over and over again.
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Lol definately no secret spots on the vedder. Way too commercialized by certain businesses to allow for that.
Certainly there are spots that are less frequented, but not in September and October lol!
Thats pretty much why i dont shop at local tackle shops. Harass you about your spots and where your fishing and bring all the yahoos out there. Lie too you about what lures are working, usual some new one. Also lie to you about wheres hot, when everyone on the forums and everywhere says its dead. If I went to some shops tomorrow i know they would tell me i could limit out on coho here and what to use.
Shop at Army and Navy and no one knows you exist and get stuff way cheaper.
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There are totally secret spots.... But they develop and dissolve constantly with changing water Heights and every year the river changes from slightly to a lot....
I've had spots that no one ever knew about but they don't last long.... Then I find a new one.
Many people over look these spots....
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Doja, I think what you might be alluding to is not that a spot is secret but the ability of the angler to read the river. If that is the case then I think there are plenty of folks out there that would be able to find those spot, thus it isn't a secret. It then becomes just a matter of each one's ability to read that section of river and process that information correctly. if your spot was secret then no one would be able to find it, perhaps they are thereat another time.
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Wildmanyeah, I've always found the local tackle stores that I've dealt with have been very truthful and informative. Having said that, I think it also boils down to whether you buy anything or not and the frequency of your purchases. if they keep seeing you there and making purchases, they are more then happy to share information with you, as least that's what I've found
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There are totally secret spots.... But they develop and dissolve constantly with changing water Heights and every year the river changes from slightly to a lot....
Well said!
For example, several years ago there was a spot at Thurston Meadows on top of a huge log sticking out of the bush right on top of the river. At certain river height, I always hooked a steal head from that log for a whole season. However, the log disappeared next season, and the honey hole was gone. As doja said so well, these secret spots comes and goes and we need to search for them constantly.
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Well said!
For example, several years ago there was a spot at Thurston Meadows on top of a huge log sticking out of the bush right on top of the river. At certain river height, I always hooked a steal head from that log for a whole season. However, the log disappeared next season, and the honey hole was gone. As doja said so well, these secret spots comes and goes and we need to search for them constantly.
I landed my first steelhead there about 10 years ago!!! A brute of almost 20 pounds (wild) and I had to run off the bottom little gravel Island into the water (got wet) to get the bank to run about 100m down River to land it. Next day landed another just as some guys came upon my "secret" spot, lol, and totally made their day too ad they had not seen a steelhead yet.
Ive also had runs very close to the road and nobody ever knew it as it was a crappy spot forever.... Well not that year and I was quite sad to not see it there next year...
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"Secret spots on the vedder" ahahahha
The Vedder is the epitome of a factory river. Its pretty much the Wal-Mart of rivers. Its easily my favourite to fish because of the ease of access. Ive hit everyspot from the very top to the very bottom. Some awesome stretches of water :)
The only thing I do not like is ,when compared to other streams, the Steelhead tend to be tightlipped due to the thousands and thousands of "presentations" they get assaulted with over and over and over again.
The Wal-Mart reference is an absolutely perfect description of the Vedder River. Well said
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Well there maybe something to this because I posted a detailed fishing report in the fishing reports section (2 years ago) and the complaints by some of the members (for "outing" a spot LOL) forced Rod to remove my entire report (Gravel pit fishing location). Poof. Totally erased.
This sort of reinforces that some people here on FWR really believe in the secret spots garbage. Go figure. I wish they would have at least shown some integrity and contacted me first about their concerns rather then pestering Rod about it. The guy is busy enough to also hold the hands of some trembling regulars.
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There are absolutely "secret" spots.
You guys, secrets aren't necessarily something no one else knows about... a secret can be something you don't SHARE. If you share it, it's no longer your secret. :)
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Well there maybe something to this because I posted a detailed fishing report in the fishing reports section (2 years ago) and the complaints by some of the members (for "outing" a spot LOL) forced Rod to remove my entire report (Gravel pit fishing location). Poof. Totally erased.
This sort of reinforces that some people here on FWR really believe in the secret spots garbage. Go figure. I wish they would have at least shown some integrity and contacted me first about their concerns rather then pestering Rod about it. The guy is busy enough to also hold the hands of some trembling regulars.
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While I wasn't one of the ones complaining about it, it seemed rather odd to me that after your detailed map and directions on how to access that spot, the number of anglers increased from an average of 6 or 7 to over 25. That post that you made was done in spite and no one has any time for that including me. It was a very small spot and a gem to fish. Not a secret for sure because many people walked by while we were fishing it but many overlooked it because it didn't seem like a spot that would hold fish.
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Don't bother stratocaster, he has been a troller here playing dumb for years.
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Stratocaster LOL! So true!!!
Don't ever talk fishing here...taboo!
But if your interested in say...Cigars, Tires, etc, No problem!
How about a poll? Peanut butter?
Chunky or smooth.
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^^^ neither, to many fungicides, lol
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^^^ neither, to many fungicides, lol
How about organic smooth??
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Smooth! With Raspberry Jam
Now that that is settled lets get back to the original question! No, there are no secret spots, there are just new holes every year and holes that always produce year to year! The ones that always produce get hit the hardest because most fishermen don't have time to scout the entire river every year to find the new holes.
I don't know what hole was discussed in the deleted thread but if it could support 25+ fishers it was not that small. Should it of been mentioned on a public forum, I personally don't see the problem with it. We went from calling the C/V Walmart to saying the meat section was employees only!
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How about organic smooth??
Humm, moldy peanut butter.... Lol
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I bought the new planters peanut butter. It's pretty good, I like it better than kraft or jiffy. But it's definitely not as good as that adams stuff.
there were probably secrets on the vedder at some point in time. decades ago possibly
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K.... I've been drinking all night and doing blow... I'm going to tell a secret.
At the end of Osbourne road there's a great stretch of water! The residents are also really cool and let you fish there especially the corner house.... But the secret is you must knock on his door and ask him or he gets pissy.
Cheers!
.... Forgot to add.... Nutella
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The real secret about secret spots is of course a secret. That has a allergic reaction to PB.
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Kraft light. Food of the gods.
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K.... I've been drinking all night and doing blow... I'm going to tell a secret.
At the end of Osbourne road there's a great stretch of water! The residents are also really cool and let you fish there especially the corner house.... But the secret is you must knock on his door and ask him or he gets pissy.
Cheers!
.... Forgot to add.... Nutella
Stay classy San Diego.
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K.... I've been drinking all night and doing blow... I'm going to tell a secret.
.... Forgot to add.... Nutella
I've never laughed so hard on FWR before ahahah
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All you have to do is start talking about any system here and how to get to it and where to fish and there will be out rage. Kanaka Creek, Chehalis, Dewdney Slough, Alouette River and there's outrage. pretty much can do a search on here and you will see. Even now people are still salty about the Gravel pit. Its kinda funny because if you walk into any local Tackle store they will pretty much tell you ever secret spot and even draw you a map.
Still while i don't believe there are some secret spots there are definitely those less traveled like the Canyon on the Chehalis, Not very many people want to bushwhack then take a rope down a cliff but if you do it's pretty easy to limit out in the pools. Lately tho people have just been pontoon boating down.
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Some times people need to put in a bit of leg work not just browse or lurk on forums to get the dirt on spots...as others have mentioned, the river can change from year to year, season to season, week to week so the guys that actually spend the time to scout and explore may get a tad miffed when info like that is shared on an open forum and IMO rightfully so. Put in the time if you want to know these "secret spots" through out the year, don't expect it handed to you because you know how to google!
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No tackle store will tell you about a small system or secret spot because most of those guys still fish and why would they want other guys around? They might tell you it's a secret spot just to get you to buy some stuff but it's usually a spot everyone knows.
All you have to do is start talking about any system here and how to get to it and where to fish and there will be out rage. Kanaka Creek, Chehalis, Dewdney Slough, Alouette River and there's outrage. pretty much can do a search on here and you will see. Even now people are still salty about the Gravel pit. Its kinda funny because if you walk into any local Tackle store they will pretty much tell you ever secret spot and even draw you a map.
Still while i don't believe there are some secret spots there are definitely those less traveled like the Canyon on the Chehalis, Not very many people want to bushwhack then take a rope down a cliff but if you do it's pretty easy to limit out in the pools. Lately tho people have just been pontoon boating down.
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Some times people need to put in a bit of leg work not just browse or lurk on forums to get the dirt on spots...as others have mentioned, the river can change from year to year, season to season, week to week so the guys that actually spend the time to scout and explore may get a tad miffed when info like that is shared on an open forum and IMO rightfully so. Put in the time if you want to know these "secret spots" through out the year, don't expect it handed to you because you know how to google!
This is a much nicer way of saying suck it up buttercup, get your butt out there and experience fishing and life at the same time. I've been lazy since I did my "leg work" a number of years ago when I moved to the LML but it still pays off in spades 2 out of 3 trips but I need to get my lazy bum in gear this year and scout out more water and bump it up to 4 out of 5 good trips. There are secret spots that aren't fence posted all the time but like others have said people haven't recognized the significance of the water/spot. The best tip I ever received from a store (Hatch N Match) was look for any seam/structure upstream of a very fast water section.