Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fisher85 on October 23, 2016, 03:54:15 PM
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Just a quick question when you limit out and hook another fish is it illegal to pass your rod to someone else who hasn't limited out yet to land the fish?
FYI I don't plan on keeping the fish they land that I hooked I stay within my limits
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Not illegal providing he/she has a valid fishing licence.
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Personally I think if its a family member that can legally retain the fish then by all means hand it off to them.
If its a friend or non-family fishing partner, then only you catch and release the fish. if your friend/partner doesn't catch fish on his own and you feel compelled to share one of yours with them then that's what you do when you get home.
Just because you're an effective fisherman doesn't mean you can fill your friends day limit.
That's my opinion.
I would be curious with these fishing shows as to how often the "stars of the show" get a rod/fish handed to them so they can get footage.
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Wet foot, dry foot.
If the rod is passed before the fish hits the bank it is a valid catch suitable for retention by the lander.
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Guides hook and pass the rod.off all the time.
Valid license, valid catch.
BUT, the end player owns the fish.
I've passed the rod on occasion.
Not because I had my limit or wanted more but to relieve some of the stress that occurs when those that are new need that pump of adrenaline they were seeking.
Soon they'll do it by themselves with an appreciation they might not otherwise get, other than being pushed to alternative methods frowned upon by most of us.
Coach them through, help them land properly (and release if needed or wanted)
It's called learning.
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I know of a guy that got a ticket during sockeye season. The CO's were watching. He had his limit of fish(sockeye) which he had bonked himself and was still fishing. He helped the person beside him that landed a fish by bonking it for them. the CO's came out from where they were watching and gave him a ticket for killing more than his limit of sockeye. Didn't care that he was helping someone else and wasn't retaining that fish. Seems unfair to me, just saying you might want to be careful with that one.
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I don't have a problem with people passing the rod to a licensed fisher when the fish is first hooked...what I have a problem with is seeing parents pass the rod to their young (free licensed) kids when the fish is literally on the shore. People like that are obviously using a grey area as a loop hole to retain fish above their daily limit.
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Kids without license have the same retention quotas?
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Kids without license have the same retention quotas?
Yes in Fresh Water only. If they fish in the salt water, then they need a Tidal license (free age 16 and under), but need to buy the salmon stamp
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I know of a guy that got a ticket during sockeye season. The CO's were watching. He had his limit of fish(sockeye) which he had bonked himself and was still fishing. He helped the person beside him that landed a fish by bonking it for them. the CO's came out from where they were watching and gave him a ticket for killing more than his limit of sockeye. Didn't care that he was helping someone else and wasn't retaining that fish. Seems unfair to me, just saying you might want to be careful with that one.
I don't know about that...if that was the case, then he should have fought that in court. It's about retention and it's obvious the guy landing the fish had every intention of keeping it...he hooked and landed it himself so if he gave the guy permission to bonk the fish there should be no issues.
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When I was a kid someone told me chocolate milk comes from brown cows...
There's obviously a few parts of the story missing and if not; he should of fought it.
If they were in the bushes they were probably watching
Mistakes happen though, so I'm not saying it's not true.
But...
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I know of a guy that got a ticket during sockeye season. The CO's were watching. He had his limit of fish(sockeye) which he had bonked himself and was still fishing. He helped the person beside him that landed a fish by bonking it for them. the CO's came out from where they were watching and gave him a ticket for killing more than his limit of sockeye. Didn't care that he was helping someone else and wasn't retaining that fish. Seems unfair to me, just saying you might want to be careful with that one.
Pretty chessy to me
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Last court case I heard about the judge ruled that the person who netted the fish was responsible for possesion. This was a case when a guy was being guided and retained an illegal fish. So it's possible the judge just wanted to place the blame on the guide. As for worried about DFO there only gonna care if you have more in your possession then your licenced for or needlessly kill more or harass more
When possession of a fish occurs it a big arguing point for the courts.
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I don't know about that...if that was the case, then he should have fought that in court. It's about retention and it's obvious the guy landing the fish had every intention of keeping it...he hooked and landed it himself so if he gave the guy permission to bonk the fish there should be no issues.
Its about possession and when the possession occurs. It pretty cut and dry that when you land a fish with your hands and kill it that you have now assumed possession for it. Also why bother fighting the pinch in court just pay it. You're gonna have to rely on how the judge rules and that's always a crap shoot.
Now if they were not watching and only saw it in the back of your truck tottle different story.
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I posed this question to a CO about 7-8 years ago when fishing near Kamloops. His reply was whomever kills the fish, has assumed possession of it and counts against your limit, regardless if you are only helping your fishing buddy. He also mentioned that there is some leeway and case by case basis in enforcing or not enforcing. For example, humanely killing a fish that your younger child caught, assisting a disabled person etc.
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I posed this question to a CO about 7-8 years ago when fishing near Kamloops. His reply was whomever kills the fish, has assumed possession of it and counts against your limit, regardless if you are only helping your fishing buddy. He also mentioned that there is some leeway and case by case basis in enforcing or not enforcing. For example, humanely killing a fish that your younger child caught, assisting a disabled person etc.
I was told by a CO that whoever lands the fish.
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I posed this question to a CO about 7-8 years ago when fishing near Kamloops. His reply was whomever kills the fish, has assumed possession of it and counts against your limit, regardless if you are only helping your fishing buddy. He also mentioned that there is some leeway and case by case basis in enforcing or not enforcing. For example, humanely killing a fish that your younger child caught, assisting a disabled person etc.
That sounds reasonable until you look at the killing of fish by a guide who may be guiding some ladies. Don't expect the ladies (with some exception) to be willing to bonk their landed fish The guides are the netters and final executioners in most cases. So how many tickets he will get if he tells a CO the truth. LOL.
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Its about possession and when the possession occurs. It pretty cut and dry that when you land a fish with your hands and kill it that you have now assumed possession for it. Also why bother fighting the pinch in court just pay it. You're gonna have to rely on how the judge rules and that's always a crap shoot.
Now if they were not watching and only saw it in the back of your truck tottle different story.
Now here lies the problem with semantics vs. intent. If it's imperative to follow the letter of the law, then there can be no exceptions therefore, guides can't help dispatch fish for squeamish customers, the disabled are on there own, and children can not be aided by there parents regardless of situation or possible endangerment to the child.
No such thing as cut and dry...only the level of intelligence on the part of the CO to decipher the intent of a person regarding the rules of fair play.
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Well, if it's the netter/bonker that is technically the retainer, the same angler could catch an unlimited amount of fish as long as there was a queue of licensed anglers willing to net and bonk them.
Somehow I doubt it's like that...
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Could you imagine the response you would get if you started calling the RAPP line every time you reported someone bonking a fish for a friend...really people, how about using common sense and not bowing down to stupidity.
Here are some fine laws that I bet most people didn't know still existed in Canada.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/canada
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Whomever dispatches it is considered to have retained it? That sounds bogus IMHO.
I often offer to help bonk and bleed fish for strangers as I cant stand watching people feebly try to bash a fish ten times with a rock as its flopping around, or have them just rip out the gills and let it slowly expire on the bank. A few sharp quick blows and a knife to the gills dispatches them the most humanely, and if they want to write me up for that, I'll be seeing them in court.
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I feel a bit perturbed when I see folk just letting them flop around until they die. And watching them rip out the gills while they're still alive...
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Whomever dispatches it is considered to have retained it? That sounds bogus IMHO.
I often offer to help bonk and bleed fish for strangers as I cant stand watching people feebly try to bash a fish ten times with a rock as its flopping around, or have them just rip out the gills and let it slowly expire on the bank. A few sharp quick blows and a knife to the gills dispatches them the most humanely, and if they want to write me up for that, I'll be seeing them in court.
But they won't and you know that because what you are doing is being a reasonable human being. You also probably don't do it after you have limited out ether most cases. There gonna pinch you when known offender or have done something else against the law. Also there gonna use it in cases of fish abuse like killing fish and dumping them back in the river.
lol I don't no why you took such offence, you haven't been doing anything wrong.
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You also probably don't do it after you have limited out ether most cases.
I would absolutely continue offer to dispatch/bleed other peoples fish even after having retained my daily limit, which to be honest rarely ever happens :)
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Well, if it's the netter/bonker that is technically the retainer, the same angler could catch an unlimited amount of fish as long as there was a queue of licensed anglers willing to net and bonk them.
Somehow I doubt it's like that...
Yeah that would be legal as long as the netter.bonkers retained them and took them home.
Also you can catch an an unlimited amount of fish its called catch and releases. You just can't have more in your possession then your licensed for.
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I probably worded my post incorrectly yesterday. I'll see if I can contact a CO today and get their opinion on this subject.
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Also you can catch an an unlimited amount of fish its called catch and releases. You just can't have more in your possession then your licensed for.
Not true with Steelhead.