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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on May 03, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
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Thought I would share this but please keep discussion civil.
April 26, 2016
Dear First Nations and Stakeholders,
Re: Fraser River Spring and Summer 52 Chinook Management Approach
As part of discussions on the draft 2016/17 Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plans for Southern BC, there has been considerable discussion about the management
approach that should be implemented for Fraser River Spring and Summer 52 chinook
for 2016 fisheries.
Under the approach outlined in the draft IFMP, a cautious management approach for
First Nations, recreational and commercial fisheries is implemented to start the season
with the assumption that returns of Fraser River Spring and Summer 52 chinook will be
less than 45,000 to the Fraser River (Zone 1). As in previous years, in-season,
consideration would be given to less restrictive management actions if catch
information from the Albion test fishery indicates higher chinook returns to the Fraser
River.
Management actions are specified for areas where these populations are most
likely to be encountered including: Northern (Area F) and WCVI (Area G) commercial
troll; Juan de Fuca (Victoria area) and Fraser River recreational; and Fraser River First
Nations FSC fisheries. Specific management restrictions are outlined in the Draft
salmon IFMPs for these fisheries.
A range of feedback has been received on the management approach outlined in the
draft IFMP for Spring and Summer 52 chinook. Similar to last year, the Sports Fishing
Advisory Board recommends standardization of management actions across Spring and
Summer 52 abundance zones.
Alternatively, First Nations have raised concerns about whether the draft IFMP
approach is providing sufficient priority for FN FSC fisheries given expectations for
reduced FSC harvest opportunities for Fraser chinook and sockeye in 2016 and
potential impacts on Fraser River Spring and Summer 52 chinook in recreational and
commercial fisheries. First Nations have recommended closures during May, June and
July in interception fisheries impacting Spring and Summer 52 chinook.
For 2016, in consideration of First Nations’ concerns and consistent with the priority
for First Nations FSC harvest opportunities after conservation, the Department is
seeking feedback on a proposed approach to manage recreational and commercial
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fisheries using more restrictive Zone 1 management actions for the entire 2016 season.
Proposed zone 1 management actions are outlined in the attached table. First Nations
FSC fishery opportunities would also be managed using Zone 1 management actions
unless inseason assessments indicate higher chinook abundance that could support
additional FSC fishing opportunities subject to conservation constraints for other stocks
(e.g. Spring 42 chinook and Early Stuart sockeye).
Maintaining low (Zone 1) impacts in recreational and commercial fisheries, while maintaining flexibility to adjust First
Nations FSC opportunities subject to in season Spring and Summer 52 abundance is
intended to reflect priority considerations in this year’s context of weak anticipated
Fraser salmon returns, but will still provide for predictable fishing opportunities for
other sectors.
Thought I should share this but please keep discussion civil.
Departmental staff is seeking feedback on this proposed approach prior to making a
decision for 2016 fisheries.
In addition, the Department is planning a broader review (e.g. the last 5 years) of our
management approach as part of the 2016 post-season review. To support this, we are
seeking feedback on key questions in support of a review of the management approach,
including an assessment of the impacts of all fisheries on Fraser River chinook using
the best available information.
If you would like to provide feedback, you are requested to provide it to your local
resource manager or Kelly.binning@dfo-mpo.gc.ca on or before May 9, 2015.
Sincerely
Jeff Grout
Regional Resource Manager, Salmon
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Thanks for the info. Can you upload the chart that was attached to the letter (the one referred to as listing the proposed conservation measures)?
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Thanks for the info. Can you upload the chart that was attached to the letter (the one referred to as listing the proposed conservation measures)?
Have now sent to you.
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What is '52'?
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I think it has to do with the age of Chinooks.
5 year old fish with 2 years in the ocean.
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By my reading it sounds like they are trying to shut down the Chinook recreational fishery in the Juan De Fuca and Fraser Area from May to July.
Am I right on this???? :'(
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I think it has to do with the age of Chinooks.
5 year old fish with 2 years in the ocean.
Actually a 5 -2 is a five year old chinook that migrated to the ocean in the 2nd spring of it's life. A 4 -1 would have gone to the ocean in it's first year of life.
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By my reading it sounds like they are trying to shut down the Chinook recreational fishery in the Juan De Fuca and Fraser Area from May to July.
Am I right on this???? :'(
Looking like a August 1 opening on the Fraser.
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If the natives are so concerned about the early run why have they been fishing them for a month already ? One guy I know out here in chilliwack netted 40 during the one opening they had in April
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+1 or setup the weirs at Cap's mouth. (already up as of this sunday). They should use rods, as all other natives to this planet.
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FNs have been netting them in Fraser since February!!
We could be set for a long, hot and boring summer this year. :( and depending on the actual restriction, impacts on the recreational sector including the guiding and tourism $$ could be significant.
One would wonder why this 5-year review and reacting to 'FNs concerns' just started after the change in our government. Is this more of a resource management decision or a political management one??
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Likely not a coincidence that is also related to what is happening in Washington and their fisheries.
This is a big deal that I hope others in touch with DFO and FN can elaborate on.
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Hope those expressing concerns here pass them on.
"If you would like to provide feedback, you are requested to provide it to your local
resource manager or Kelly.binning@dfo-mpo.gc.ca on or before May 9, 2015."
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Sport anglers worried about possible fishing closure
CHECK NEWS: May 03, 2016
DFO considering salmon fishing closure in Juan de Fuca Strait
http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/html5/html5lib/v2.40/mwEmbedFrame.php/p/1752871/uiconf_id/24800362/entry_id/0_89lqxa0s?wid=_1752871&iframeembed=true&playerId=kaltura_player_1462330163&entry_id=0_89lqxa0s&flashvars
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Sport anglers worried about possible fishing closure
CHECK NEWS: May 03, 2016
DFO considering salmon fishing closure in Juan de Fuca Strait
http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/html5/html5lib/v2.40/mwEmbedFrame.php/p/1752871/uiconf_id/24800362/entry_id/0_89lqxa0s?wid=_1752871&iframeembed=true&playerId=kaltura_player_1462330163&entry_id=0_89lqxa0s&flashvars
thats just crazy !
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If the natives are so concerned about the early run why have they been fishing them for a month already ? One guy I know out here in chilliwack netted 40 during the one opening they had in April
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If the natives are so concerned about the early run why have they been fishing them for a month already ? One guy I know out here in chilliwack netted 40 during the one opening they had in April
Of course they are concerned - concerned about getting more and shutting the recreational fishers out
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Hope those expressing concerns here pass them on.
"If you would like to provide feedback, you are requested to provide it to your local
resource manager or Kelly.binning@dfo-mpo.gc.ca on or before May 9, 2015."
I want to bump this up and reiterate people need to contact DFO NOW, if they want to keep salmon fishing for Chinook.
This will set a very concerning precedent for future fisheries relating to salmon.
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A good letter from SFI:
April 29, 2016
Chinook, Fraser River and Juan de Fuca
The SFI is actively engaged on behalf of Southern Vancouver Island anglers in convincing DFO to stick to its guns regarding maintaining access to Chinook in Juan De Fuca Strait recreational fisheries. We believe that the 2012 policy which creates 3 zones of abundance (zone one being the lowest) based on test fishery results, and corresponding management measures that affect all 3 sectors is the appropriate path forward. Abandoning the abundance-based approach would be a fundamental policy change that could undermine both domestic fisheries management and Canada’s position as we begin renegotiation of the chinook and coho portions of the Pacific Salmon Treaty.
Management scenarios currently proposed by DFO and First Nations include a full closure of the Juan de Fuca and Georgia Strait approach waters to the Fraser and in River salmon fishery in May, June and July and/or keeping only recreational and commercial fisheries at zone 1 management measures. This closure and zone 1 management scenario would continue even if test fishery results indicate a zone 2 or even 3 level of abundance. While the impacts to the recreational sector would be very damaging and severely limit opportunity in either scenario, the proposals would provide for a doubling or even tripling of First Nations impacts on the stocks in the Fraser River. This is not a conservation based proposal, effectively represents a reallocation of fish between sectors and provides a gift to the United States of marked hatchery fish Canada is entitled to catch under the salmon treaty. Early Fraser Chinook stocks are predicted by the Pacific Salmon Commission Chinook Technical Committee to return at 258,000 fish in 2016. This is the highest predicted return since 1979, and almost 4x the brood year! It seems hard to conceive of a serious conservation based argument based on a prediction like this.
We sincerely hope that the DFO understands the need for a clear and transparent science based approach to this issue which respects the value and needs of all sectors. To do otherwise will surely lead to a very long hot summer on the Juan de Fuca Strait.
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I want to bump this up and reiterate people need to contact DFO NOW, if they want to keep salmon fishing for Chinook.
This will set a very concerning precedent for future fisheries relating to salmon.
I've mailed my MLA and MP and will follow up with an email by mid next week. This is pretty serious business.
I'm really surprised that DFO is even considering this. They are basically pushing their own risk to the recreational sector with no clear vision for conservation.
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I naughtily created my own thread for this but seeing as this is very significant can't hurt to double-up....
Email instructions and contacts:
Letter Writing Reference Notes and Addressing Details:
Contained in the document are details of who to write to, concise bullet points about the issue and an easy-to-use letter template. We recommend sending an email letter, but a letter sent by ground mail is also excellent. Please ensure you copy SVIAC at info@anglerscoalition.com the letter you send, so we know how many letters have been sent in total.
Who to write to: The new Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Canada in Ottawa. The Honourable Hunter Tootoo - His emails are: Hunter.Tootoo@parl.gc.ca and min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca Also send your email to Kelly Binning Kelly.Binning@dfo-mpo.gc.ca in DFO HQ in Vancouver to officially register your views on the proposed regulations.
Who to send a copy to: (copying strategic individuals is also very very important)
Randall Garrison – NDP MP Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke – Randall.Garrison@parl.gc.ca
Murray Rankin - NDP MP Victoria – Murray.Rankin@parl.gc.ca
Elizabeth May – Green Party MP Saanich – Gulf Islands – Elizabeth.May@parl.gc.ca
Scott Simms – Liberal MP - Parliamentary Standing Cmttee on DFO – Scott.Simms@parl.gc.ca
Mark Stahl – Conservative MP (BC) – Fisheries Critic – Mark.Strahl@parl.gc.ca
Fin Donnelly – NDP MP (BC) – Fisheries Critic – Fin.Donnelly@parl.gc.ca
Key points:
The issues:
Fishery Closure or Worse Regulations - Fraser River First Nations and the Marine Conservation Caucus are lobbying DFO to close the recreational salmon fishery in Juan de Fuca and Haro Straits during May, June and July this year. At least 28 letters have been sent by First Nations bands to Minister Tootoo requesting this closure. To date, DFO have not been willing to confirm to the SFAB executive that there will be no shut down this year.
In addition, DFO Pacific Resource Managers are proposing to the Minister further Fraser Chinook regulations in June and July as a compromise position. We would be held in Zone 1 (the disliked slot size) for June and July regardless of abundance.
We Have Already Made Major Sacrifices- Since 2010 Juan de Fuca and Haro Strait Chinook salmon anglers have “borne the brunt” of DFO’s conservation measures through a suite of severe fishing restrictions that diminish our fishing opportunities from March 1st to mid-July each year. Our exploitation has dropped by at least 77% on Fraser Chinook stocks of concern. We have met or exceeded DFO’s Chinook exploitation reduction targets at every step along the way. There is NO MORE ROOM for additional restrictions without seriously damaging the fishery.
Serious Harm to Local Businesses –implementing a closure or introducing more restrictive measures will only further harm businesses that rely on our traditional year-round salmon fishery for their income. Lodges, guides, tackle stores, marinas, boat sales and repair businesses will all be negatively impacted by these proposed DFO actions. Business owners, their staff and their suppliers will all face detrimental circumstances. Staff lay-offs or business closure could result.
This is Not About Conservation - Due to the predictions of low Fraser Sockeye return this year and likely reduced First Nations Food, Social and Ceremonial Sockeye fishing opportunity, Fraser First Nations want to harvest more Chinook for their FSC regardless of conservation. Closing Victoria and area to salmon fishing in May, June and July and providing more Chinook to Fraser FN would be an extraordinary re-allocation not based on conservation. Any Chinook saved by closing our fishery would simply be caught in the river net fishery, no more would get to the spawning beds.
Precedent Setting – The underlying concern for this proposed closure is an understanding that this approach does not align with the 1998 Salmon Allocation Policy, is not conservation based, yet sets a dangerous precedent with regards to exclusive access to salmon. A decision to impose the closure has implications that threaten all tidal waters fisheries in the future.
What to Write -In your own words write a short (2 or 3 paragraph) letter expressing your very serious concerns about DFO increasing restrictions or closing the recreational salmon fishery in May, June and July. Add some additional content and feel free to use the materials in “The issues” section above to guide you.
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Here is the link to the 2nd TV newscast (1st one on CHEK 6 News) on the potential DFO fishing closure in areas 19 and 20. http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=870645
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We don't really know the hard facts and numbers though, do we? All any of us can really do is speculate with our own bias opinion, and hope that the real professionals out there make the right decisions.. I try to look at both sides of the argument (Natives vs sports fisherman). Too bad we can't seem to make both groups happy.
I honestly think there are far far too many human beings alive on the planet. We are overpopulated, and I don't see how any of this is sustainable for the long term years to come? Wild life/environment seems to be slowly collapsing, and dwindling away as more people move to the already crowded lower mainland from other places that have far too many people/problems.
I feel like these are such minor issues relative to the real problem of corruption and too many people... what a mess!!
Sorry for the negative input
There are more than enough resources for all of us and billions more on this planet. Think of the huge vast areas on this planet without a human soul living there. The problem lies in the monetary system, capitalism and current levels of consumption, recycling and waste.
We throw away 50% of the food we produce. There is no shortage of food for the planets inhabitants, especially with advances in modern technology. There is a lack of will and compassion to feed everyone on this planet. There will be lots of water for us to drink when we stop watering our lawns with drinking water and giving companies free license to bottle our aquifers for profit. BY tempering our consumption, using advances in technology, and recycling there are more than enough resources on this planet to sustain the current population and more. Resource Based Economics to the rescue
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What I've found over the years is that numbers are manipulated to give issues proper political spin. There is not much of 'pure science' exists today. Science is sacrificed for the profits and political gain.
As far as resources are concerned, there are plenty of resources on Earth. The problems we are facing root in the wrong principles that our society lives by.
Deteriorating environment and quality of living is a sign that we need to change things. Unfortunately, the political system isn't independent enough to listen to citizens.
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Category(s):
ABORIGINAL - General Information,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll,
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada
Subject: FN0419-Aboriginal, Recreational, Commercial - Salmon - Gill Net and Troll - Fraser River Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 Chinook - May 18, 2016 Abundance Update
In 2016, the Department has identified concerns associated with expected poor
returns of Fraser River Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook. Management of these
stocks is based on an in-season assessment of returns using the cumulative
catch per unit effort (CPUE) of chinook caught at the Albion Test Fishery. A
three zone management approach is used to identify management actions.
The Department initiated the 2016 season with management actions based on the
lowest management zone (zone 1) given uncertainties in expected marine survival
rate, and recent years of poor returns for these stock aggregates.
The model used to predict the return of Fraser River Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2
chinook uses data from the standard chinook net fished by the Albion Test
fishery and does not incorporate catch from the multi-panel net (which is
currently fished on alternate days). The standard chinook net is an 8 inch
(approx. 20 cm) mesh. Catch and effort data are cumulated by week, starting the
first full week in May, to provide the input to the model.
In 2016, the Albion chinook test fishery began operating on April 24. The
total catch for the period of this update (May 1 to May 13) was zero (0)
chinook. Based on this input, the current predicted return to the mouth of the
Fraser for the Fraser River Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook aggregates is
less than 25,000 fish.
The next scheduled update is on May 31 and the final in-season update is
planned for June 14.
The Department is currently reviewing management actions for Fraser River
Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook for 2016 fisheries. In the interim, the
Department is proceeding with pre-season plans to implement Zone 1 management
actions and previously announced fishery management actions to conserve Fraser
River chinook remain in effect.
FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Kelly Binning 604-666-3935
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Anyone knows what "Zone 1 management actions" is??
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Total closure.
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How does all this square with the Fishing Report from Murphys from a few weeks ago that predicts this will be the "run of a decade"
I dont get it.
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How does all this square with the Fishing Report from Murphys from a few weeks ago that predicts this will be the "run of a decade"
I dont get it.
Murphy's quote is about 1,000,000 Conuma , Alberni and Columbia River estimated chinooks returning. Nothing to do with Fraser stocks
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why is it so different there?
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Why the huge difference in abundance? They're different stocks...
Fraser River's spring and early summer runs have been struggling for years now.
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Simple...fish farms and seals:)
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They'll put a cull on wolves to protect the moose and caribou, why haven't they put a cull on seals to protect salmon? Too cute perhaps? The oil protesters would be out there in their oil based kayaks in full force. Probably after leaving Mcnab creek to protest gravel extraction which is used for the foundation of their house and all the stores they shop in ::)
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Simple...fish farms and seals:)
:o ....probably right at the bottom of the list of problems compared to overfishing,climate change,ocean conditions,pollution,and habitat degradation...
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:o ....probably right at the bottom of the list of problems compared to overfishing,climate change,ocean conditions,pollution,and habitat degradation...
Actually tried to make a logical assumption based on what are the significant factors that differ for Fraser river salmon and other runs that aren't struggling to the same extent. The Westcoast of Vancouver Island returns are looking decent this year for example.
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Albion positive yesterday and today.
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what does that mean?
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what does that mean?
It means 1 chinook was caught on the 23, and 2 on the 24. If you google Albion test fishery you can read about it and see the results of each test net.
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Crunched some numbers for that test site: Chinook catch for May 1980–2016
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2hi6y49.png)
June 1980 – 2015
(http://i63.tinypic.com/59vn5w.png)
July 1980 – 2015
(http://i63.tinypic.com/dy24gi.png)
August 1980 – 2015
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2a7h2lt.png)
Sept 1980 – 2015
(http://i68.tinypic.com/1042nbn.png)
Oct 1980 – 2015
(http://i63.tinypic.com/qxt204.png)
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Great graphics. Anyone harvesting early run Fraser River chinook should be ashamed.
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Wow! Explains the rationale for definitely not opening until August.
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Can someone shed some lite on fishing regulations for FN please. Are FN allowed to fish now? Is there a limit? What are the regulations for using gill nets?
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Can someone shed some lite on fishing regulations for FN please. Are FN allowed to fish now? Is there a limit? What are the regulations for using gill nets?
I don't think anyone knows what they are. In short, there probably are some regulations in place, but they probably are very loose, and in reality those regulations therefore do not exist.
Really, as far as I know, they aren't open right now (legally). In the end though, they can pretty much fish whenever they want. CO's and DFO are afraid to touch them/prosecute them, because they are afraid of creating new case law (which in the end could be a worse case scenario - look at the Boldt decision in the USA/Washington and what is happening to their fisheries.)
If the First Nations in this area could prove that their ancestors relied on these fish and had indeed harvested them at this time of year since time immemorial, then they could legally protect themselves in court and therefore, there would be new case law created. Once that case law is created, it becomes a free for all. They powers that be probably assume since it's a grey area/"illegal" now, FN's will do it less than if case law opened it up to be legal. At that point you'd go from having the odd bold person with FN heritage doing it to everyone doing it just because they can. That's just my guess based on discussions I had with CO's throughout university (not particularly on this issue - but on other issues like night hunting deer, fishing for various species in island rivers, over-harvesting, etc). It's a sad state of affairs we are in.
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Thanks ED. This helps me understand the issue. In time we'll all be equal 8)
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... and some year totals graphed while I am at it:
(http://s33.postimg.org/fpcdtru8v/Chinook_year.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/oty8aavof/Coho_year.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/ocguzoa8v/Pink_year.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/7c75ihbz3/Chum_year.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/fmb1qpuxr/Sockeye_year.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/kmma3w4pr/Steelhead_year.png)
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Coho: Aug, Sept, Oct.
(http://s33.postimg.org/lztpgoqqn/Coho_August.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/iqaowhd9b/Coho_September.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/g05yd15y7/Coho_October.png)
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Steelhead: Sept, Oct
(http://s33.postimg.org/eul8zy927/Steelhead_September.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/58rojnhwf/Steelhead_October.png)
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Pink: Aug, Sept, Oct.
(http://s33.postimg.org/4l24mfalb/Pink_August.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/y2w9w0867/Pink_September.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/q8voam0db/Pink_October.png)
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Chum monthly, Aug, Sept, Oct.
(http://s33.postimg.org/s02lbjyov/Chum_August.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/47ta00wnz/Chum_September.png)
(http://s33.postimg.org/wyv5n78tb/Chum_October.png)
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Thanks for the time put into this. I wonder if it might be more representative if plotted as Catch Per Unit Effort as a quick eyeballing of the Chinook reports seems to suggest that the total amount or time of sets each year does change especially when compared from one decade to the next. Regardless, interesting data to look at.
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I wonder if it might be more representative if plotted as Catch Per Unit Effort as a quick eyeballing of the Chinook reports seems to suggest that the total amount or time of sets each year does change especially when compared from one decade to the next.
I considered that initially, but then decided towards an approach that's little simpler to comprehend. I agree, that CPUE value may be more representative. I think I'll add that as second series when more data for 2016 become available, like end of June or July depending on the catch numbers.
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Must have been an opening today , drift netting this morning at the golden ears
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If the First Nations in this area could prove that their ancestors relied on these fish and had indeed harvested them at this time of year since time immemorial, then they could legally protect themselves in court and therefore, there would be new case law created.
I'm surprised that this has not been done already. I know of one local nation that has archeological evidence that springs, coho, pink, chum, herring, anchovy and eulachon were the foundation of pre-contact diet going back almost 3,000 years based on bone, scale and DNA test data from various midden piles that have been carbon dated. They can even tell that settlements established at different locations tended to consumed different ratios of fish species.
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I'm surprised that this has not been done already. I know of one local nation that has archeological evidence that springs, coho, pink, chum, herring, anchovy and eulachon were the foundation of pre-contact diet going back almost 3,000 years based on bone, scale and DNA test data from various midden piles that have been carbon dated. They can even tell that settlements established at different locations tended to consumed different ratios of fish species.
And that's exactly why you don't see CO's out there ticketing. Needs to go to court before it becomes case law ;) There is no doubt that the FN's in this area would win the time immemorial argument.
Right now there is some possibility of regulations around the whole netting thing, and around being able to co-exist with recreational fishing. The moment case law comes in, rivers shut down and recreational anglers get no opportunities while having to watch the nets rape the rivers - like what is happening in the states right now. It sucks, but the situation we're in now is much better than it could be (which is pretty scary).
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There is no doubt that the First Nations lived off of the salmon, and all of the other sea life in the area. What is in doubt is if they were able to maintain sole control over the area. If other bands were able to enter the areas and harvest as well then they can not have a claim to the area. That was a key in the Tsilhqot'in case. The Bands along the Fraser, not so much. There is documented proof that the Haida frequently make raids and camps down here. Would a local Band win, maybe, but then every other band would have to willingly abide by that decision. It would never happen. Take into account that these early fish are the ones bound for Quesnel, Prince George, and beyond and all the First Nations up there have a claim this will never go to court. Better to stick with the status quo and let everyone have hand in destroying the pie. Kind of like a firing squad, not every gun is loaded so you can sleep at night believing the it was the other guy who fired the killing shot.
No one should be fishing these early Chinook.
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No one should be fishing these early Chinook.
Exactly.
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I've been fishing tidal fraser last 2-3 weeks mostly on weekends , but took a few days off ...
last weekend and this week (I fished after worked , thanks to tide:) ) I notice some Chinook activity ... quite a few jumpers ... after looking at tables above I really hope these guys make it w/o nets on their way .... It`s amazing to see them at all according to those tables .... :(((
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I just don't understand FN claim to "traditional" fish harvesting.
Time did not stop 3000 years ago . Everything has changed and everybody has to adapt to the new reality but them.
Traditionally they didn't use fish finders, motor boats,pick up trucks and nylon nets. They didn't sell their catch to white people .
For some reason FN can't adapt to the new reality despite government many programs that favour them. I don't think anybody can demand to want to stay in stone age despite all changes going around the World and ask others to pay one or the other way for it. White people had done great damage to FN ,but there is time to get over it and find new ways to look for the future. I myself come from the nation that suffered a lot from others and probably more than FN and yet we concentrate on surviving and blossoming in the new reality .
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I just don't understand FN claim to "traditional" fish harvesting.
Time did not stop 3000 years ago . Everything has changed and everybody has to adapt to the new reality but them.
Traditionally they didn't use fish finders, motor boats,pick up trucks and nylon nets. They didn't sell their catch to white people .
For some reason FN can't adapt to the new reality despite government many programs that favour them. I don't think anybody can demand to want to stay in stone age despite all changes going around the World and ask others to pay one or the other way for it. White people had done great damage to FN ,but there is time to get over it and find new ways to look for the future. I myself come from the nation that suffered a lot from others and probably more than FN and yet we concentrate on surviving and blossoming in the new reality .
Your opinion doesn't actually impact the laws of Canada. FN are guaranteed first access to stocks after conservation.
If you want to change that, then feel free to lobby your MP.
The argument that they should use "traditional" methods doesn't make sense since methods would always improve. It would be the same as saying you can't drive your truck to work since 200 years ago there were no trucks.
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However it is FN that want maintain traditional life style ,don't they. Perhaps it should be clarified what tradition means. Secondly nowhere in my post is written "my opinion matters" or has any influence on anyone.
I just expressed my lack of understanding of the whole problem and welcome sound explanation to which you're also welcomed in future posts. They got their privileges because white guys did invade their territories and did horrible things to them. However in light of dwindling fish stock whole policy could be revised since there are well known cases of right abuse by self proclaimed fish stuarts. From this topic it sounds that instead of conservation there is death warrant signed for the fish. At least it is my impression. And you are worried about local shops being closed.
Are you expecting any half witted person to spend hundreds or thousands of $ on gear to just go for riparian picknick?
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By traditional they mean their traditional rights to fish.
Not necessarily the traditional methods used in the past.
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Fishery Notice
Category(s):
ABORIGINAL - General Information
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject:
FN0523-Fraser River Spring 5(2) and Summer 5(2) Chinook - June 14, 2016 Final In-season Abundance Update
In 2016, the Department has identified concerns associated with expected poor
returns of Fraser River Spring 5(2) and Summer 5(2) chinook. Management of
these stocks is based on an in-season assessment of returns using the
cumulative catch per unit effort (CPUE) of chinook caught at the Albion Test
Fishery. A three zone management approach is used to identify management
actions.
The Department initiated the 2016 season with management actions based on the
lowest management zone (zone 1) given uncertainties in expected marine survival
rate, and recent years of poor returns for these stock aggregates.
The model developed to predict the return of Fraser River Spring 5(2) and
Summer 5(2) chinook uses data from the standard chinook net fished by the
Albion Test fishery and does not incorporate catch from the multi-panel net
(which is currently fished on alternate days). The standard chinook net is an 8
inch (approx. 20 cm) mesh. Catch and effort data are cumulated by week,
starting the first full week in May, to provide the input to the model.
In 2016, the Albion chinook test fishery began operating on April 24. The
total catch for the period of this update (May 1 to June 11) was seventeen (17)
chinook, six (6) of which were caught in the standard (8 inch) net. Based on
this input to the model, the current predicted return to the mouth of the
Fraser for the Spring and Summer 5(2) chinook aggregates is approximately
43,000 fish. This predicted return is consistent with management zone 1 where
returns to the Fraser River are below 45 thousand chinook and conservation
concerns for Fraser chinook are the primary management consideration.
This is final in-season update.
The Department is currently reviewing fishery management actions for specific
areas and these will be confirmed by separate fishery notices.
FOR MORE INFORMATION: Kelly Binning (604) 666-3935
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0523
Sent June 14, 2016 at 1533
So of I am reading this right, no one gets to fish right now? I am not trying to be obtuse, but if I see nets set on the Fraser they should be reported? Will anything actually be done?
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It is strange that they say this notice is the last in season update? Why is that? There is a whole summer of runs of Chinook ahead? Last year, Chinook run was getting absolutely crazy in September. Will their decision on fishery management ignore the strength of the later runs? It seems fish runs are getting later and later recently.
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It is strange that they say this notice is the last in season update? Why is that? There is a whole summer of runs of Chinook ahead? Last year, Chinook run was getting absolutely crazy in September. Will their decision on fishery management ignore the strength of the later runs? It seems fish runs are getting later and later recently.
It relates to the early spring/summer run fish only. As the later run fish come in late July and August there will be new notices.
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As we approach end of July, here is updated graph.
(https://s32.postimg.org/voyo1uar9/Chinook_July.png)
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As we approach end of July, here is updated graph.
(https://s32.postimg.org/voyo1uar9/Chinook_July.png)
Overall it is low, yes, but to me, this looks fantastic. Notice how much higher the catch rate is in 2016 than for 2011 and 2012 (the parents of these returning fish). Maybe things are improving.