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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on April 04, 2016, 11:50:46 AM
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=182705&ID=all
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Why the angry face? If you can't do it in the daylight it's probably dodgy.
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I'm guessing this is to curb sturgeon poaching?
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Why the angry face? If you can't do it in the daylight it's probably dodgy.
Maybe for some, but not all. Many legit sturgeon anglers prefer to fish at night because it's quieter and peaceful, and/or they work shift.
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Maybe for some, but not all. Many legit sturgeon anglers prefer to fish at night because it's quieter and peaceful, and/or they work shift.
That's why I said "probably". Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the greater good.
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With no eyes on the river after dark, poachers will have a free hand to do whatever they wish.
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Poachers will poach regardless don't see why it make a difference day or night seen a guy with 2 3 footers in a soccer ball bag still alive tied to the dock in newest middle of the day
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Did you call RAPP?
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Yes they immediately Sent A CO both sturgeon were released seemed to kick away stong i didnt stick around to see what happened to he guy Co took him to his truck
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Way I see it they are just making the tidal and non tidal regs consistent
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Effective immediately until further notice, fishing for salmon is not permitted
in all waters of Region 2 from one hour after sunset to one hour before sunrise
each day.
Variation Order: 2016-94
Notes:
Anglers are advised to check http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/index-
eng.html for fishing closures and other recreational fishing information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336 or the British Columbia's toll-free RAPP line (Report All
Poachers and Polluters) at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277).
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474)
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact your local fisheries office
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0284
Sent April 4, 2016 at 1130
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Effective immediately until further notice, fishing for salmon is not permitted
in all waters of Region 2 from one hour after sunset to one hour before sunrise
each day.
Variation Order: 2016-94
Notes:
Anglers are advised to check http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/index-
eng.html for fishing closures and other recreational fishing information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336 or the British Columbia's toll-free RAPP line (Report All
Poachers and Polluters) at 1-877-952-RAPP (7277).
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474)
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact your local fisheries office
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0284
Sent April 4, 2016 at 1130
just wondering , how that applies to Tidal Fraser ?!
if u don't know , freshwater is region 2 , but Tidal Fraser has nothing to do with those regulations .... It`s Area 29 - Fraser River
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=39624.0
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My concern is that with less honest recreational fishermen on the water, this open up even more opportunities for the poacher or whatever other groups harvest fish at night.
Less eyes on the water that are willing to call in reports of illegal activity. Not that there is going to be any investigation at night anyways.
From a safety perspective the less boats on the river at night, the better - until there is an emergency and someone needs help.
There are pros and cons to both sides and I suspect that management has done this to cut back or eliminate nighttime CO enforcement expenses but to also point out that they now have effectively doubled their manpower coverage by having to only cover daylight hours because there can't be anyone fishing at night.
This also will reduce the number of complaints or reports of illegal fishing because the honest fisherman will no longer be on the water at night. Less calls = less work. Which justifies not needing to hire more CO's.
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I agree with Rieber, hard not to be a bit cynical when It comes to this decision
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Though it should make enforcement easier since if anyone is out there wetting a line at night, you know they are there in contradiction to the regs.
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Though it should make enforcement easier since if anyone is out there wetting a line at night, you know they are there in contradiction to the regs.
that`s true , but as mentioned above "if they are the only ones fishing" who will see them ?! last year co`s were checking me every day at tidal fraser , I saw them cruising on boat up to 5 times a day , BUT never saw them in a dark time ... I fished few times till 2-3am with my buddy cuz conditions were prime , NOT even a single co ever checked me at evening/night time . But like I said during the day they do it . I think Rieber got a nice point by mentioning 2 problems : 1) no people fishing , no people will be reporting cuz they don`t see , 2) emergency wise .
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The people who break the rules won't be afraid to break one more imo.
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. I think Rieber got a nice point by mentioning 2 problems : 1) no people fishing , no people will be reporting cuz they don`t see , 2) emergency wise .
Using this logic then there should be no fishing prohibition on any water at any time.
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As a freeman of the land i will hunt and fish whenever I need to.
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As a freeman of the land i will hunt and fish whenever I need to.
Why do you think you have that right?
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I think less boats on the water to report could be an issue. At the same time though, if there is nobody supposed to be fishing, it is a lot easier for the authorities to check and therefore fewer people can check more areas in a shorter amount of time. If they are checking boats and say there are 20 boats in a stretch that are fishing and only one of them is illegal, that is going to take a boat an hour or two to check them all. However, if nobody is supposed to be fishing, a quick drive up the river will indicate that and that one boat can check to make sure nobody is fishing in 10-15 minutes. So, it might not be an effort to get rid of all enforcement but to make the enforcement there much more effective so that fewer people can cover more area in a shorter amount of time.
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Is it possible that this has absolutely nothing to do with fishing and more with clearing traffic from the Fraser River at night so it's right full owners (big bussiness) can move freely at night with no pesky Fishermen in the way? They are increasing the capacity of the terminals for cargo from ships (why we need a new bridge)...
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Maybe for some, but not all. Many legit sturgeon anglers prefer to fish at night because it's quieter and peaceful, and/or they work shift.
I'm a little late to this conversation but someone just mentioned to me that there is no sturgeon fishing at night anymore, does this apply to the tidal portion of Fraser as well. Regs are a little bit confusing.
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--spawning salmon usually move at night...maybe it is actually a regulation for the fish rather than a penalty for the fishers.
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The primary purpose of the night time blanket fishing closure in the Lower Fraser River is to stop sturgeon poaching.
At the time when this was being consulted with the Sport Fishing Advisory Committee, we all agreed that it would not work. Removing legit anglers who are eyes and ears on the river at night, the poachers are still out there unless enforcement increases significantly.
Back to the earlier question, night time closure applies to both the Tidal and Non-tidal Fraser River. I have been trying to find the actual written information on DFO's website, but it's not there which is not surprising. The current online regulations are very poorly organized and presented. I actually don't expect anyone to find the information needed and understand it.
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Why dont we ban fishing in regions that have have little to no enforcement. Lack of CO's ? Pfft no problem. Ban fishing and hunting. It's simple. They should ban fishing 9n the squamish all together because of the DFO cutbacks. Common people use you heads :P
I didn't know poaching Sturgeon on the lower was at epic levels that they felt the need to close it at night. Last time I checked 7 sturgeon have died in the month of August due to Sockeye nets. Those are the ones that I know about and we are punishing the rec sector ? Typical.
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As a freeman of the land i will hunt and fish whenever I need to.
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As a freeman of the land i will hunt and fish whenever I need to.
This is the problem right here... people who think they are special when they aren’t. No one NEEDS to hunt and fish, not locally around here at least. Your not living in remote Ketchikan. Go to the grocery store like an ethical human being instead of poaching your dinner ::) ughhhh people are the worst kind of people.
I’m going to make some assumptions here as this is your typical poacher. Guy in his late 40’s or older. Been fishing for his entire life, fishing the past few years has been on the decline with longer closures and less fish. Pissed off about FN and commercial openings all summer, he has lived here his entire life and as so is entitled to take whatever he wants whenever he wants it. Who cares about the next generation. Maybe this is just my rant. I’m 38, been fishing for 8 years so not too long but long enough to have an opinion. I’m just pissed off that the generation before me was so short sighted and it seems that conservation wasn’t even a thought. Just take take take and now we are just trying to conserve what’s left and try and rebuild if it isn’t too late. I have my flame suit on for my comments and stand by them.
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Back to the earlier question, night time closure applies to both the Tidal and Non-tidal Fraser River. I have been trying to find the actual written information on DFO's website, but it's not there which is not surprising. The current online regulations are very poorly organized and presented. I actually don't expect anyone to find the information needed and understand it.
I was pretty sure I had read the night closure of both the tidal/non-tidal somewhere before but had a heck of a time finding the info again. They certainly aren't making it easy.
The restriction for the tidal Fraser is currently on this DFO page, buried at the bottom of the "Other Finfish" tab: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html
The restriction for the non-tidal Fraser is in the Freshwater Synopsis, Region 2.
Is this because the DFO doesnt manage the non-tidal Fraser except for salmon while the province doesnt manage the tidal portions, but they coordinated on the night-time closure so it now is mentioned in both sets of regs?
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This is the problem right here... people who think they are special when they aren’t. No one NEEDS to hunt and fish, not locally around here at least. Your not living in remote Ketchikan. Go to the grocery store like an ethical human being instead of poaching your dinner ::) ughhhh people are the worst kind of people.
I’m going to make some assumptions here as this is your typical poacher. Guy in his late 40’s or older. Been fishing for his entire life, fishing the past few years has been on the decline with longer closures and less fish. Pissed off about FN and commercial openings all summer, he has lived here his entire life and as so is entitled to take whatever he wants whenever he wants it. Who cares about the next generation. Maybe this is just my rant. I’m 38, been fishing for 8 years so not too long but long enough to have an opinion. I’m just pissed off that the generation before me was so short sighted and it seems that conservation wasn’t even a thought. Just take take take and now we are just trying to conserve what’s left and try and rebuild if it isn’t too late. I have my flame suit on for my comments and stand by them.
I fit the generation before you and find your post very offensive to my generation.
I could go on about your generation also but i wont stoop to that level.
Back to my lazy boy and Archie Bunker. ::)