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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bigblue on September 01, 2015, 08:42:28 AM

Title: Cap is blown
Post by: bigblue on September 01, 2015, 08:42:28 AM
We finally have some rain and the Cap is blown double double and the massive amount of fish stacked at the Cap mouth has be flushed up the river above Highway 1. Beyond the range of fishermen.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: stormhaven on September 01, 2015, 09:07:07 AM
Thanks for the update.
Is the mouth still fishable ?
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: dobrolub on September 01, 2015, 10:50:46 AM
I hope the water washes away the barriers and traps build of stone in the mouth. With those in place I don't even know how any fish makes it up the river.

Building such structures on the river should really be outright banned.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: RyanB on September 01, 2015, 11:59:03 AM
There's a massive stone barrier called the Cleveland Dam further up the river.  Really ruins my fishing!
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Drewhill on September 01, 2015, 12:15:53 PM
I hope the water washes away the barriers and traps build of stone in the mouth. With those in place I don't even know how any fish makes it up the river.

Building such structures on the river should really be outright banned.

First nations are building them on first nations land and weirs are a traditional way to harvest fish although I highly doubt their ancestors used shopping carts and pallets lol
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Fish or cut bait. on September 01, 2015, 12:20:24 PM
And the rest of is didn't have mono, buzz bombs and such.
The method they use is traditional, only the materials have changed!
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Tee on September 01, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
Wondering if the portion of the river above hwy 1 is still closed to fishing?
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Rodney on September 01, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Wondering if the portion of the river above hwy 1 is still closed to fishing?

All of the river closures which the province has implemented remain closed until the end of September unless a new notice comes out to reopen them. With the sudden change in weather conditions, this is possible. The weather can still change back quite easily so managers are most likely taking precautionary measures for now.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: doja on September 01, 2015, 12:57:13 PM
No need to wonder...
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/#anglingclosure

Rod any thoughts as to providing links for anglers who forget how the rule structure works? Seems a simple guide and several links would help many out greatly! It's quite simple but people easily forget how to do things they don't do on a regular base...?
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Blackrt03 on September 01, 2015, 01:07:41 PM
First nations are building them on first nations land and weirs are a traditional way to harvest fish although I highly doubt their ancestors used shopping carts and pallets lol


shopping carts and pallets lol
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: halcyonguitars on September 01, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Are there still fish worth trying to catch in the Cap in October?
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: salmonlover on September 01, 2015, 01:58:00 PM
not understanding why they are letting the dam go. when all the news stations are still saying water restrictions are still in place. yet they are letting all this water go. meh
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: 243Pete on September 01, 2015, 02:02:04 PM
Are there still fish worth trying to catch in the Cap in October?
Still the run of coho and springs that enter around that time. This year might be another late run of fish due to the weather and low water conditions, but even with that said I was more or less surprised that a good number of pinks arrived in Howe sound on July 3rd. :-\
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: RainbowMan on September 01, 2015, 03:14:01 PM
Still the run of coho and springs that enter around that time. This year might be another late run of fish due to the weather and low water conditions, but even with that said I was more or less surprised that a good number of pinks arrived in Howe sound on July 3rd. :-\

This dam is used to generated hydro electric power only. This is not a water reservoir for the metro Vancouver region.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: ejeffrey on September 01, 2015, 03:20:35 PM
This dam is used to generated hydro electric power only. This is not a water reservoir for the metro Vancouver region.

I think you got it backwards:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Dam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Dam)
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: RainbowMan on September 01, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
I think you got it backwards:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Dam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Dam)

Indeed!  :D
Although the reservoir will soon be re-purposed to generate hydro electric energy.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wsd/plan_protect_sustain/water_use_planning/cabinet/Project-Development-Plan.pdf
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: fic on September 01, 2015, 04:08:35 PM
not understanding why they are letting the dam go. when all the news stations are still saying water restrictions are still in place. yet they are letting all this water go. meh
I'm sure they have their reasons. May be they need to open and close within a certain time frame to make sure everything is in working order or let the poor fish stuck at the mouth to safely migrate up.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: redder on September 01, 2015, 04:16:48 PM
not understanding why they are letting the dam go. when all the news stations are still saying water restrictions are still in place. yet they are letting all this water go. meh

It is good to send some fresh water down the river to help the fish and lower the temp of the water.
i am not sure as this to be the reason, but i think hogging it all would not have any benefit to the animals and such downstream.

Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Sandman on September 01, 2015, 05:17:08 PM
They do not need to have opened the dam to have the river blow out.  There was enough rain to blow it out without opening it up.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Fish or cut bait. on September 01, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
Exactly,  its North Van!
Lots of drainage and creeks came to life.
Though a lot of you local folk don't seem to realize it...
All the tap water and showers (if you take one) comes from the water from the Capilano reservoir, the Seymour reservoir and the Coquitlam reservoir.

Yes, certain modifications were made to allow you a water infrastructure which made major impacts to the original, natural system.

Now.
Convince everyone else, (other than I) to stop using water and perhaps we can regain some of what has been lost.

Seriously though,  the population is growing and the strain on the resources is evident.
Unfortunately too few think further than the hook on the end of their line and that vacant spot in the freezer.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Gabo on September 03, 2015, 12:21:12 AM
Will the mouth be fishable again once water levels drop down to the 1-2 mark? Or wait till the river portion opens up.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Flytech on September 03, 2015, 06:32:47 AM
This dam is used to generated hydro electric power only. This is not a water reservoir for the metro Vancouver region.


Sorry, you're mistaken.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Kever on September 03, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
OK DFO, time to open the rest of the Capilano River!
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Rodney on September 03, 2015, 10:50:24 AM
Reopening the current river closures is up to the province actually, not DFO. An email went out this morning to the Region 2 biologists requesting the reopening now that condition has improved. I'll post up changes if they happen as usual.
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Stratocaster on September 03, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
I'm sure they have their reasons. May be they need to open and close within a certain time frame to make sure everything is in working order or let the poor fish stuck at the mouth to safely migrate up.

Whenever we get a rain event the magnitude of what we saw the past week or so (or even less), they still need to spill water regardless of how low the reservoir is.  Because of the topography and geotechnical issues, they cannot let the reservoir fill up too fast.  In the past it also caused turbidity issues in our drinking water.  Now all the water that we use from the Cap reservoir is pumped up through the tunnels to the Seymour Cap filtration plant at the Seymour dam, filtered out for any dirt and or particulants and then run back to the water mains at Capilano providing a cleaner source of water. 
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: doja on September 03, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
^^^ bingo

Also we gained like 5% in the last week or so and water usage is down too...
Title: Re: Cap is blown
Post by: Knnn on September 03, 2015, 08:03:46 PM
An email went out this morning to the Region 2 biologists requesting the reopening now that condition has improved.

I'm wondering if conditions have improved sufficiently to ensure water levels can be sustained within the rivers for the foreseeable duration. 

River levels are not only sustained by surface water run, but also underground flow from upland recharge areas.  With the very dry conditions a lot of water may have just flowed off as surface water run-off, as a relatively quick deluge.  I wonder if the underlying aquifers have been recharged to normal levels to keep maintain water levels in the rivers and to prevent the levels falling quickly in the absence of long term rainfall, i.e. when surface water run-off is no longer present?