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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on July 12, 2015, 11:46:02 AM
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Friday, July 10, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 10 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser River sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
As a consequence of very few sockeye being caught to-date in Fraser River gillnet test fisheries there are no assessments results to report at this time. Assessments will improve next week as the marine gillnet test fisheries and the Mission hydroacoustics programs are scheduled to begin on Monday, July 13.
On July 9 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was 4,057 cms, which is approximately 30% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 9 was 19.3 0 C, which is 3.6 0C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 17, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement01.pdf
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Where is the Chinook update named in the subject :o . All I am ever seeing or hearing is Sockeye issues and no Chinook updates . Besides the Albion 300 plus springs taken there has been no fishery notice . Just gill net and seine openings for Chinook .
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This is just a generic title I use for all the updates every year. Sometimes the updates include chinook, other times only sockeye, sometimes both.
Anyway, Fisheries and Oceans Canada has extended the salmon fishing closure for two more weeks until the end of July.
Non-tidal portion fishery notice:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173061&ID=all
Tidal portion and river mouth notice:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173065&ID=all
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I understand the reason for it but it makes me sad that most of my vacation this year is going to be spent with no or minimal fishing.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173081&ID=all
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 10, to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye runs to date and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) provided forecasts of Fraser River sockeye
and pink salmon abundance, timing and diversion rate to the Fraser Panel. The
majority of sockeye returning in 2015 will be recruits from adult spawners in
2010 and 2011. As 2010 was one of the largest returns and spawning escapement
on record, a larger proportion of 5 year old fish is expected this year than
usual. Fraser pink salmon will be returning from the 2013 adult spawners.
Fraser River sockeye and pink salmon forecasts for 2015 are considered highly
uncertain due to variability in annual survival rates and uncertainty about
changes in their productivity.
To put the sockeye run size forecast uncertainty into context, there is a one
in four chance that the actual number of returning sockeye will be at or below
3,824,000 fish (the 25% probability level forecast) and there is a one in four
chance that the actual number of returning sockeye will be at or above
12,635,000 fish (the 75% probability level forecast). For pre-season planning
purposes, the Panel used the 50% probability level forecast (equal chance of a
higher or lower return) of 6,778,000 fish for all management groups except
Early Stuart for which the 25% probability level was used due to the
expectations for overall low abundance and the prediction of a very large
return of 5 year old fish in the forecast.
The pre-season forecast for the 2015 return of Fraser pink salmon that was used
for pre-season planning was the 50% probability forecast of 14,455,000 fish. To
put this into context there is a one in four chance that the actual return of
pink salmon will be less than 10,385,000 fish (the 25% probability level
forecast)and a one in four chance the return will be larger than 20,450,000
fish (the 75% probability level forecast). Fishing decisions for both sockeye
and pink salmon will be based on in-season data.
For 2015 pre-season planning purposes the Early Stuart forecast timing analysis
of July 8 was adopted by the Panel while the historical timing for Chilko of
August 9 was adopted. Timing for all other sockeye stocks was based on
historical correlations with the Early Stuart and Chilko timings mentioned
above. The pre-season forecast of the proportion of Fraser River sockeye salmon
diverting their migration to the Fraser River through Johnstone Strait is 96%.
For modelling purposes the Panel chose to use a diversion rate of 80% through
Johnstone Strait which is roughly the mid-point between the recent year average
of 62% and the above forecast.
The snow pack volume in the Fraser River watershed was near average in April of
this year, however a warmer than normal spring resulted in early and greater
snowmelt throughout the Fraser watershed resulting in the lowest June snowpack
on record. Water levels are forecast to be at or below historic minimum levels
during the sockeye migration period. This combined with above average forecast
for air temperatures has resulted in higher than typical water temperatures
forecasted for the summer months. The combination of very low flows and high
water temperatures are expected to create migration issues for Fraser sockeye
in 2015. As a result, the Fraser Panel has adopted management adjustments for
Early Stuart and Early Summer sockeye that reflect these conditions. The
current river temperature at Qualark is 3.6C higher than average. Discharge is
30% below average. In-season information over the coming weeks will help to
inform future decisions on management adjustments for the Early Stuart, Early
Summer and Summer management groups. Management adjustments are additional fish
that are removed from identified harvest levels and allowed to escape upstream
in an attempt to assist in achievement if identified escapement objectives for
the different run timing groups.
Gill net test fishing began on June 22nd in Area 29 (Fraser River at Whonnock)
and on June 29th at Qualark Creek. Very few sockeye have been caught to date
with no stock identification analyses done at this time. In-season assessment
of Early Stuart sockeye will be provided later in July once more information
becomes available. In-season assessment of all run timing groups generally
occurs shortly after identification of their peak migration through marine
areas.
Currently, First Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries in marine waters
are non-retention of sockeye. Within the waters of the Fraser River, First
Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries have been very limited and
directed at chinook. The initiation of sockeye directed First Nations food,
social and ceremonial fisheries is not anticipated before late July or early
August depending upon location.
Fishers are requested to check for the opening times and any restrictions in
their local area. There are no planned commercial or recreational fisheries on
sockeye at this time.
The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Friday, July 18, 2015.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0662
Sent July 13, 2015 at 1100
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I understand the reason for it but it makes me sad that most of my vacation this year is going to be spent with no or minimal fishing.
It is sad . The Fraser is not that busy the begining of June and the fishing may be spotty but hey , that's real fishing right ! . 5 years ago, less fish , I think it was approx 137 springs dip netted at this same time period June through July 13 , by Fred and Barny Albion ::) . We need a more reliable resources than what we have . How often do you go out bar fishing a limit out ? . The think the odds are in the fishes favor,and that's a hole different topic . TNAngler your just going to have grin and bare it . Or not ;)
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The odds are usually in the fishes favor but that doesn't mean I think if the run is hurting we should be fishing. Just sucks with my schedule. Our kids start school the second week of August so I have to come for vacation before that to visit my family. I'm never getting the best of fishing anyways. My ex and I switch choosing summer vacation, so it is only every other year I get to come right before school. The other years it is usually mid-July at the latest, with even worse fishing.
At least I'm planning on retiring early in 10 years and living during the summer in Alaska.
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It is sad . The Fraser is not that busy the begining of June and the fishing may be spotty but hey , that's real fishing right ! . 5 years ago, less fish , I think it was approx 137 springs dip netted at this same time period June through July 13 , by Fred and Barny Albion ::) . We need a more reliable resources than what we have . How often do you go out bar fishing a limit out ? . The think the odds are in the fishes favor,and that's a hole different topic . TNAngler your just going to have grin and bare it . Or not ;)
3 reasons why we are not fishing, I am sure you all know why.
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3 reasons why we are not fishing, I am sure you all know why.
I know you weren't talking to me but I did want to state I know full well why and I don't think it is a bad decision. Ok, maybe not full as I am not living there so it isn't a daily thought for me.
Just saying it sucks.
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To give you an idea of the decline in chinook runs , I looked back at the last 14.5 years during prime fishing days and it's easy to tell the signs . It dosent help with this big sretch of hot weather this year . I was anticipating a good Chinook season and hanging on the gate . It's been a few years since I landed a nice red spring on the bar rod . Since then most productive bars have been lost . Any way :P Stay thursty my friends .
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Yabbabdabba dooo . ;)
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Thanks for the update armytruck. I had no idea the decline had been so precipitous being relatively new to river fishing.
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http://www.theprogress.com/news/315087091.html
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Um, how about set line fishing during July and August and no bottom bouncing. This would clear up all issues with Sockeye encounters.
Its high time we figure out how to selectively fish the Fraser or lose our sportfishing ops all together.
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What about the commercial pink opening that net all those interior coho? How many of them can survive being squashed in a net, and then tossed into a warm, and low stream?
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How about hiring more ,way more DFO officers and giving them real power of enforcing law.
It will never happen given our political environment, but one can always hope.
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Um, how about set line fishing during July and August and no bottom bouncing. This would clear up all issues with Sockeye encounters.
Its high time we figure out how to selectively fish the Fraser or lose our sportfishing ops all together.
The Fraser Valley Salmon Society directors and pres Dean and vice pres Nick are working on this.
Rod it is time we get very serious on this isssue as talk has gone on for way too long and not enough action. :-[
TOW ing, as I forcast a long time ago would eventially bite us in the behind but of course there is other issues besides that. :-X :-X
How the Leaf Craft and I miss fishing Maple Leaf Bar at this rime of year and many unforgetable trips in years past, glad I have videos to enjoy those moments.
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Why is it so difficult to change the regulations for selected methods and enforce them. I've seen in the past it stated in the Fisheries Notices that anglers are to use selected methods not to target Sockeye yet that didn't fly . There were tons of people still towing .The DFO should have been out there handing out tickets .They could have generated enough revenue to keep the officers patrolling and enforcing their postings on their Fisheries Notices site . I guess people(harvesters) knowingly or unknowingly doing this must believe DFO are out of site ,so , out of mind it goes . Oh yah, I forgot ::) they do do fly byes , that's ineffective . Now , they are (DFO) stepping up and putting more officers out in the field due to the conditions we are facing with this drought (understandably so) to curb any poaching in closed areas . kudos for that . Enforcement , enforcement enforcement all season long and get things back to normal . Change is good ;)
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I can't for the life of me understand why that when the water is over 20 degrees salmon caught bar fishing should be better off than those caught by any other method. While there's a lot whining about the loss of an opportunity to fish this summer to me this smacks of the worst sort of hypocrisy; how can the regs be rigged so 'we' can fish when others can't for 'conservation'?
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I understand what you're saying Ralph but I think you've missed the point. It's more of an "if" and "when" scenario, as in if and when they open Chinook fishing, selective methods should be enforced to ensure sockeye bycatch is kept to a minimum.
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"Tow ing" ??
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TOW = the other way, refers to flossing
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TOW = the other way, refers to flossing
;D :D :'(
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I understand what you're saying Ralph but I think you've missed the point. It's more of an "if" and "when" scenario, as in if and when they open Chinook fishing, selective methods should be enforced to ensure sockeye bycatch is kept to a minimum.
Well I suppose I should feel better. However it occurs to me that this is desired by much the same constituency that opposes 'fly fishing only' regulations and opposed the bait ban on the Thompson during steelhead season. Will this constituency be more cooperative on such issues if the get the set line only regulation? I guess float roe or spoon fishing at the creek mouths would be out?
Another thought that occurs to me is rather than just advocate for restrictions in angling method why not advocate for no retention if Chinook numbers are down so much? I've been around for a long time and this was a fact of fishing the Fraser from the late 70s or so into the early 90s.
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Chris you are totaly right.While no chinook retention would discourage some from fishing it in no way will save fish that was hooked and fought. According to the article that was presented on this site many moons ago even most carefully released salmon will die within hours because of stress . It seems to me that total fishing ban under certain conditions is in order for future angling opportunities and I'm itching to use newly acquired rod.
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Friday, July 17, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 17 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
With limited assessment capabilities at this time the Early Stuart run-size appears to be within the p25 to p75 pre-season forecast range of 16,000 to 58,000 sockeye. Assessments will continue next week as the marine purse seine test fisheries are scheduled to begin on Tuesday, July 21. Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available early in August after their peak migration through marine areas has occurred.
On July 16, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 3,532 cms, which is approximately 34 % lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 16 was 20.0C, which is 3.5C higher than average for this date. Given these river conditions it is anticipated that the Early Stuart management adjustment will increase at a future date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 21, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement02.pdf
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sorry new to tidal so this means no fishing is tidal waters yet?
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sorry new to tidal so this means no fishing is tidal waters yet?
Yes, no fishing for Salmon in the Tidal Fraser (for now). Another place area you can fish for salmon right now that is also Tidal is Area 28.
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they didnt have any tidal books when i got my liscence so not sure of the zoning
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http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/areas-secteurs-eng.html
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thank you rodney
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Tuesday, July 21, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 21 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel approved a run size estimate of 30,000 Early Stuart sockeye with 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 7. Assessments of Early Summer- run sockeye abundance should be available early in August after their peak migration through marine areas has occurred.
On July 20, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 3,255 cms, which is approximately 35% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 20 was 20.1 °C, which is 3.2 °C higher than average for this date. Past years of such high in-river temperatures have been associated with large enroute losses of sockeye populations migrating to their spawning grounds. In anticipation of the potential for mortality in 2015, the Panel increased the proportional management adjustment for Early Stuart sockeye from 0.68 to 4.18. Fraser River water temperatures and discharge levels will be monitored closely to determine if additional management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 24, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement03.pdf
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Friday, July 24, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 24 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The marine migration of Early Stuart sockeye is nearly complete. At the meeting today, the run size estimate of 30,000 Early Stuart sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 7 was unchanged. Current assessments of abundance, of the earlier timed component, of the Early Summer-run management group are tracking near the forecast level. A more accurate assessment of their abundance and timing should be available early in August.
On July 23, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 3,008 cms, which is approximately 38% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 23 was 19.4 C, which is 2.1 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to decline to 17.9 C by July 29 in response to a moderate weather forecast. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Open to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, July 25, 2015, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, July 29, 2015.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Remains closed Commercial salmon fisheries.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 28, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement04.pdf
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Hey Rod, do you happen to know if they will also be deciding on a daily limit for chinook in the Tidal Fraser today? The season opens on August 1st (can't wait!) but it still does not say what the limit is on DFO's website, nor does it say if there's the usual size restrictions (only 1 over 62 cm etc.) Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!
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Hey Rod, do you happen to know if they will also be deciding on a daily limit for chinook in the Tidal Fraser today? The season opens on August 1st (can't wait!) but it still does not say what the limit is on DFO's website, nor does it say if there's the usual size restrictions (only 1 over 62 cm etc.) Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!
There will be a fishery notice coming out this week, pretty soon I think, not so much about the size restriction or daily limit of chinook salmon, but whether or not they are extending the closure of salmon fishing. The earliest possible opening date is now August 3rd. This is all the information I have from the email communications. I'll post the notice up when it becomes available.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173746&ID=all
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ok thanks Rod
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Just to clarify, isn't the "Fraser River in Region 2 (from the downstream side of the Mission Bridge to
downstream side of the Alexandra Bridge)" the non-tidal portion of the lower Fraser? Meaning that the Tidal portion still opens on August 1st?
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That above notice for non-tidal only. I'm not sure why there hasn't been a notice out for tidal, but I assume there'll be one soon. From what my colleagues at the Lower Fraser SFAC have been saying, it sounds like the tidal opening is pushed back to August 3rd as well. We'll wait and see.
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ok thanks - looking forward to reading the forthcoming notice
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The fact that the non tidal Fraser River is under the management of the Provincial Govt does allow for gear restrictions to be made.
This whole business of not being able to restrict fishing techniques to protect non target species such as Sockeye Salmon is horse doo doo.
Why is it that MOE can institute regulations to how we handle Sturgeon and not how we fish for Salmon in non tidal waters.
The Fraser River has cooled down nicely in the last 2 weeks and without dams on the Fraser to impede migration I think truthfully we will not be witnessing a survival problem based on water conditions on the Fraser mainstem.
Having anglers fish in a manner that does not catch non target species would be an easy way to allow angling at this time.
Simply put, the easy fix to keep us fishing would be set line fishing for salmon only in non tidal Fraser River.
On top of this the regs should be made same as Steelhead fishing on the Vedder River where once you kill your daily limit of fish (=1) you must quit fishing for the day on that river. This regulation is already in place for the Vedder so please do not say it cannot be done.
So basically what i'm saying is allow anglers to barfish for Chinooks, which past history shows us catches only chinooks. This would be a catch and kill fishery where mortality would not be an issue as people are out there to kill their one Chinook and cease fishing there after.
Forget leader restrictions and all the other attempts at stopping people from the non selective art of snagging Salmon in the head.
We all know whats going on with that style of harvesting Salmon. Call it what it is, allow it when Sockeye stocks allow and other than that, be done with it.
Maybe its time for another protest fishery, what you say Mr. Gadsden ;D
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Tuesday, July 28, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 28 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs.
The run size estimate of 30,000 Early Stuart sockeye was unchanged at the meeting today. Early Summer-run sockeye run size assessments should be available in early August.
On July 27, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,925 cms, which is approximately 36% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 27 was 18.4 C, which is 0.5 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to increase to 19.9 C by August 2. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Open to drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, July 25, 2015 to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, July 29, 2015.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended to drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, July 29, 2015 to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 1, 2015.
NON INDIAN FISHERY:
Remains closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 31, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement05.pdf
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Very well put Rod T . I couldn't agree more 8) .
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In 100% agreement with this BentRodsGuiding, and your additional commentary in this matter on your latest podcast at www.bentrods.ca
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RodT
DFO just sent a memo out that progressive thinking is not allowed! LOL Perhaps if they were open to accepting valuable suggestions, we could once again have a viable bar fishery.
Checked the four test fishing sites for June/ July ( Cottonwood, Whonnock, Albion and Qualark ) and found they have caught 958 chinook. That number does not show the number of fish taken by seals from the nets. First nations catches from April 5 - July 19 totalled 4342. How many fish would bar fisherman have taken if they were allowed to fish?
If conservation is the real reason for not having a fishery, DFO should scale back the number of fish taken in the test fisheries and limit the number of fish taken in the drift/set net fishery. DFO however would have to ramp up enforcement.
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The fact that the non tidal Fraser River is under the management of the Provincial Govt does allow for gear restrictions to be made.
This whole business of not being able to restrict fishing techniques to protect non target species such as Sockeye Salmon is horse doo doo.
Why is it that MOE can institute regulations to how we handle Sturgeon and not how we fish for Salmon in non tidal waters.
The Fraser River has cooled down nicely in the last 2 weeks and without dams on the Fraser to impede migration I think truthfully we will not be witnessing a survival problem based on water conditions on the Fraser mainstem.
Having anglers fish in a manner that does not catch non target species would be an easy way to allow angling at this time.
Simply put, the easy fix to keep us fishing would be set line fishing for salmon only in non tidal Fraser River.
On top of this the regs should be made same as Steelhead fishing on the Vedder River where once you kill your daily limit of fish (=1) you must quit fishing for the day on that river. This regulation is already in place for the Vedder so please do not say it cannot be done.
So basically what i'm saying is allow anglers to barfish for Chinooks, which past history shows us catches only chinooks. This would be a catch and kill fishery where mortality would not be an issue as people are out there to kill their one Chinook and cease fishing there after.
Forget leader restrictions and all the other attempts at stopping people from the non selective art of snagging Salmon in the head.
We all know whats going on with that style of harvesting Salmon. Call it what it is, allow it when Sockeye stocks allow and other than that, be done with it.
Maybe its time for another protest fishery, what you say Mr. Gadsden ;D
Right on Rod,
What you are saying has been my arguement from day one and we've had some good ones back in the day.
It seems so simple but it's not happening. Impose a leader restriction. To many people will be bottom bouncing for Springs at Laidlaw.... When Sockeye aren't open. Ban flossing except when Sockeye stocks allow.
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Yep... :)
As Rod has said it well, we've been through this way too many times and time to make one more push at the fall meeting in October.
https://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/posts/10153098530482712
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the bit of cool moist weather is gone - not likely to be back soon so temperatures in the Fraser will rise again. A fish caught on bar gear will suffer as much stress above 18 degrees C as any of other tackle choice.
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the bit of cool moist weather is gone - not likely to be back soon so temperatures in the Fraser will rise again. A fish caught on bar gear will suffer as much stress above 18 degrees C as any of other tackle choice.
LOL .... Ur point is ? U caught a lot of Socks on the bar rig?
If I caught a fish on the bar rod , it more than likely would be a Spring or a big 30+ lb. Chinook . I would be pretty hard pressed to just slip it back into the drink to stress and go belly up ??? .
I think what all the bar rods here are trying to put across here is to fish these species ethically and morally and politically correct . And the fisheries (DFO) need to make changes NOW !!! . Not destroy it now and sit and have a talk about over at Timmy Ho's in October >:( . Yah ," lets wait" until it's gone then we'll talk about it in the fall!! .
Thing is , If you don't know how to fish with a bar rod , start learning before your kids and there kids will have nothing ! Raking Sockeye out of the river to find a spring is just plain stupid .
We have great guiding services in the lower mainland that can show you how to ,and get you into a nice Chinook to share with your whole family . Bar fishing, is fishing ........( Long lining , towing ,flossing is only a harvest .) and that's not what fishing is about
sorry I'm just ranting along here , blood is getting boiled
Stay thirsty my fisher friends ;)
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Yep... :)
As Rod has said it well, we've been through this way too many times and time to make one more push at the fall meeting in October.
https://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/posts/10153098530482712
i think you should start this conversation on the forum as well. maybe you have not got around to it yet but not everyone has facebook.
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They have tried the selective methods route before and it didn't work.
I have yet to hear of anyone getting a fine for flossing while selective methods was asked for.
Until the Ministry grows a set and enforces things,things will remain the same.
Flossing can be good for the tackle industry but its biting them in the butt this time.
It has been a big black eye on the industry since its inception and time to give the Sockeye back to those that fish them commercially as well as First Nations fisheries.
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It would be better to have a selective fisheries , than no fisheries when the species targeted is plentiful.lenght of leader would be one critical to start with. But when you see commercial and First Nations using nets , and taking every species in their path , it makes you wonder.
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The Fraser Chinook run, which isn't in the best of shape, deserves the same protection as any other stock given the water conditions and the expected high in stream moralities, outside of angling. There is no such thing as selective angling in a year like this one.
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i just heard fraser chinook is open on the first ...
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i just heard fraser chinook is open on the first ...
Tidal portion of the fraser river opens Aug 1st, non-tidal opens Aug 3rd.
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yay
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Before anyone decides to go out on the 1st, I suggest you look for the fishery notice for the opening which should come out in the next couple of days. The regulations on DFO's site is outdated with no specifics of size limits mentioned. As far as I am aware of from the emails received, tidal portion of the Fraser River also does not open until August 3rd.
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They have tried the selective methods route before and it didn't work.
I have yet to hear of anyone getting a fine for flossing while selective methods was asked for.
Until the Ministry grows a set and enforces things,things will remain the same.
Flossing can be good for the tackle industry but its biting them in the butt this time.
It has been a big black eye on the industry since its inception and time to give the Sockeye back to those that fish them commercially as well as First Nations fisheries.
Totally agree, it should go back to if you wanted sockeye you went and fished the salt chuck.
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On Fred's Facebook Page:
CONFIRMED... Fraser River is open to chinook on Saturday August 1st in the tidal, and Monday August 3rd in the non-tidal. Details to follow.
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Totally agree, it should go back to if you wanted sockeye you went and fished the salt chuck.
Or purchase them from a commercial fisherman cheaper than what it would cost you to catch them yourself. :)
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On Fred's Facebook Page:
CONFIRMED... Fraser River is open to chinook on Saturday August 1st in the tidal, and Monday August 3rd in the non-tidal. Details to follow.
Nice - thanks for the heads up Humpy
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Nice - thanks for the heads up Humpy
It's on the internet ...it must be true
wait for the official announcement before going out.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173841&ID=all (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173841&ID=all)
Pretty sure that is official right?
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That's correct TNAngler, notice came out an hour ago for the tidal. Non-tidal notice should follow shortly.
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So is the non tidal date going to change or is there a planned staggered opening?
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Earliest opening date for non-tidal is still the 3rd. The staggered openings are done every year to coincide with the run timings, or what managers believe to be the run timings.
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Did they just make bottom bouncing illegal? Discouraged or Quasi-Legal?
"Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged. The Department requests that selective fishing"
"Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."
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Did they just make bottom bouncing illegal? Discouraged or Quasi-Legal?
"Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged. The Department requests that selective fishing"
"Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."
No, they didn't make flossing illegal but they want "selective methods" used. You should have quoted the whole section. "While fishing for pink, chinook and chum salmon, anglers should avoid using
fishing methods that catch sockeye salmon and fish selectively.
The first principle of selective harvesting is to avoid catching non-targeted
stocks. This means that anglers should use methods that do not catch sockeye.
The following fishing methods enable anglers to catch pink, chinook and chum
salmon and rarely intercept sockeye salmon:
Bar Fishing
Trolling Spoons at Creek mouths
Float Fishing
Pulling Plugs
Fly Fishing
We encourage anglers to continue to use these methods to target pink, chinook
and chum while avoiding sockeye.
Please note that bottom bouncing is NOT considered a selective fishing method
and is strongly discouraged. The Department requests that selective fishing
techniques be used and will continue to closely monitor the situation to ensure
impacts on sockeye are at a minimum.
Should DFO feel that the rate of compliance is insufficient to ensure the
adequate passage of sockeye, spot closures or a "no fishing for salmon"
restriction may result."
Note what is said in the last paragraph, DFO will shut down ALL salmon if they observe their request is not being followed. The only problem I have with them using the term "bottom bouncing", it should read flossing.
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May be they are setting up to close the bottom bouncing areas once they see enough evidence at Peg Leg, Scale and Gill which is not hard to do.
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Note what is said in the last paragraph, DFO will shut down ALL salmon if they observe their request is not being followed.
And I think they’ve done just that in previous years? Or at least had similar warnings regarding non-selective methods. Such a heavy handed approach, but they seem unable and/or unwilling to regulate with a more fine-tuned approach w.r.t gear and methods to both maximize sporting opportunities while reducing detrimental effects.
I know in previous years they have asked fishers to take every measure possible to selectively fish when Chinook are open but sockeye are closed but never specified as to exactly what that means. Anyone on this forum knows they were referring to BB’ing but as far as I know this the first time they have listed ‘acceptable’ vs ‘non-acceptable’ techniques, and specifically called out BB as on the naughty list.
Perhaps someone more in the know can comment on what it would take or if it’s even possible to have the DFO consider management based on methods. If they are going to ask people to not BB but instead bar-fish, float fish, fly fish or whatever, wouldn’t it be reasonable to define those methods so its clear to everyone? Not everyone out there reads these forums or has the expertise to understand why BB is not selective.
The fact that the non tidal Fraser River is under the management of the Provincial Govt does allow for gear restrictions to be made.
This whole business of not being able to restrict fishing techniques to protect non target species such as Sockeye Salmon is horse doo doo.
This exactly. There are already definitions of ‘artificial fly’ and ‘fly fishing’ so it absolutely could be done. If they dont want people to BB, then why not define it, then prohibit it during the times they want to minimize impact on sockeye?
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May be they are setting up to close the bottom bouncing areas once they see enough evidence at Peg Leg, Scale and Gill which is not hard to do.
They might, but I would expect them to close salmon fishing in the non tidal Fraser.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=173874&ID=all
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I wonder how many will still be TOWing and then spoil it for many, The Leaf Craft will be very upset if, she ply's the waters and see it going on, liable to put the curse of The Toronto Maples Leafs on them. :-X
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This is going to be my first year bar fishing, my four year old and I have been looking forward to it all year.
We are going to try and avoid places like peg leg, scale, and gill road. I have been told that there's a few more places a little further upstream that we may feel a little more comfortable at. Hopefully this will keep us away from the flossers!
Anyway we are very glad its open, cant wait to see my boys face if we are lucky enough to get into fish, hopefully it will be similar to when he came face to face with his first sturgeon. It kind of a mixture of fear, excitement and disbelief.
Have fun everyone, and for the flossers out there its called fishing, not catching!
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Chris,
Please make sure you leave your Leaf's paper bag hat at home.
It may give some anglers the wrong idea when your patrolling the waters. ;D ;D
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This is going to be my first year bar fishing, my four year old and I have been looking forward to it all year.
We are going to try and avoid places like peg leg, scale, and gill road. I have been told that there's a few more places a little further upstream that we may feel a little more comfortable at. Hopefully this will keep us away from the flossers!
Anyway we are very glad its open, cant wait to see my boys face if we are lucky enough to get into fish, hopefully it will be similar to when he came face to face with his first sturgeon. It kind of a mixture of fear, excitement and disbelief.
Have fun everyone, and for the flossers out there its called fishing, not catching!
May be everybody should just Bar fish at those bottom bouncing bars and crowd out the bottom bouncers.
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This is going to be my first year bar fishing, my four year old and I have been looking forward to it all year.
We are going to try and avoid places like peg leg, scale, and gill road. I have been told that there's a few more places a little further upstream that we may feel a little more comfortable at. Hopefully this will keep us away from the flossers!
Anyway we are very glad its open, cant wait to see my boys face if we are lucky enough to get into fish, hopefully it will be similar to when he came face to face with his first sturgeon. It kind of a mixture of fear, excitement and disbelief.
Have fun everyone, and for the flossers out there its called fishing, not catching!
Have fun out there and be safe on the river.
Some of my best memories are from bar fishing and camping out on the river for a few days and just relaxing,eating,drinking and catching fish. :)
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Well said TWO R haha
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May be everybody should just Bar fish at those bottom bouncing bars and crowd out the bottom bouncers.
i like this idea, a much nicer social gathering ;)
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Not a bad idea actually. What would they actually be able to do? Other than tangle everyone.
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Not a bad idea actually. What would they actually be able to do? Other than tangle everyone.
They could learn how to fish ethically.
There is no reason to be snagging/flossing springs and pinks when they are willing biters.
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Have fun out there and be safe on the river.
Some of my best memories are from bar fishing and camping out on the river for a few days and just relaxing,eating,drinking and catching fish. :)
What wonderful memories we have, glad I have videos of these days, some 30 years old, need to convert from the VHS format before they are unplayable.
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Friday, July 31, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 31 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Recent test fishing catches in Johnstone and Juan de Fuca Straits indicate a modest migratory abundance of Fraser River sockeye salmon. At the meeting today, the Early Stuart run size estimate of 30,000 fish was unchanged. Abundance assessments of the early-timed component of the Early Summer-run sockeye run appear to be tracking near the median forecast level of abundance. A more accurate assessment of the total Early Summer-run run-size should be available next week after their expected peak migration period through the marine assessment areas has occurred. Summer run sockeye are now the dominant management group in marine area samples. An update on the Summer-run run-size and timing will not be available until later in August.
On July 30, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,922 cms, which is approximately 34% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 30 was 19.0C, which is 1.0C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to increase to 21.5C by August 5. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, extended to drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, July 29, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 1, 2015.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 1, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 5, 2015.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing 5:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. Saturday August 1, 2015
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing 5:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. Monday August 3, 2015
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to reef nets from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 1, 2015 Areas 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday, August 2, 2015 Areas 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Sunday, August 2, 2015

(Note: U. S. All Citizen fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 4, 2015.
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Subject: FN0790-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye and Pink Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 31, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 31st, to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink runs to date and review the status of
migration conditions within the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye into the Fraser River has continued to increase in
recent days with the majority being Early Summer and Summer run stocks.
Migration of Early Stuart sockeye through marine and the lower Fraser is
nearing completion. Test fishery catches of sockeye in both marine assessment
areas as well as the lower Fraser River has increased in recent days.
Observations at Hells Gate indicate that there continues to be a steady
movement of sockeye at this time.
Recent DNA samples taken in the marine seine test fisheries show sockeye stock
compositions with an abundance of Early Summers of 20%, combined with a Summer
run composition of 80%. During the Panel call today, the run size for Early
Stuart remained at 30,000 (50% probability forecast) with a peak run timing of
July 7th in Area 20. It is anticipated that the run size and timing for Early
Stuarts will be adjusted upward in the near future to account for the tail end
of the migration. The number of Early Stuart sockeye estimated to have passed
Mission as of July 30th is 31,700 fish.
In-season assessment of all run timing groups generally occurs shortly after
identification of their peak migration through marine areas. The declining
proportion of Early Summer stocks in marine and in-river test fishery samples
and in particular the low level of Early South Thompson stocks suggests either
a later run timing scenario, a return that is lower than forecast, or both. At
this time it is not possible to distinguish between later timing or lower
returns. Run-size estimates of the different components of the Early Summer
returns should be available in early to mid-August after their expected peak
migration through marine areas. The number of Early Summer-run sockeye
estimated to have passed Mission through July 30th is 118,800 fish of which
less than 10,000 are estimated to be Early Thompson populations.
On July 30th, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,922 cms, which is
approximately 34% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser
River at Qualark Creek on July 30th was 19°C, which is 1.0°C above average for
this date. The river discharge level is forecast to drop to 2,582 cms by August
5th while water temperatures are forecast to increase to 21.5°C for the same
date. It should be noted that there is considerable uncertainty in the
temperature forecasts as weather predictions are highly uncertain. After
reviewing environmental and stock assessment information, there were no further
changes to the management adjustment factors for any of the run timing groups
today. Management adjustments are additional fish that are removed from
identified harvest levels and allowed to escape upstream in an attempt to
assist in achievement of identified escapement objectives for the different run
timing groups.
At this time it is too early to assess the return of Fraser pink salmon. Recent
test fishery catches in the marine approach areas have shown large abundances
of pink salmon. The first stock ID samples from the Area 20 test fisheries
indicate a Fraser composition of 23 percent. Run size and timing updates for
Fraser pinks will likely begin in mid to late August.
The extended Early Stuart and Early Summer Run sockeye window closure has ended
in marine areas and portions of the lower Fraser River below the Port Mann
Bridge. This closure continues in the remainder of the Fraser River with dates
for sockeye directed fisheries in areas above the Port Mann Bridge being
announced in future fishery notices.
First Nations food, social and ceremonial sockeye fisheries that are currently
being planned will be monitored closely to ensure that impacts on Early Summer
sockeye are kept at a minimum as available total allowable catch is limited.
Fishers are requested to check for the opening times and any restrictions in
their local area. There are no planned commercial or recreational fisheries on
sockeye at this time.
The first upstream escapement report was released by DFO earlier this week.
Observations of Early Stuart sockeye in the spawning areas indicate that
sockeye are present in a number of spawning areas and in good condition. Water
levels and temperatures are normal for this time of year. In addition, the
counting fence at Sweltzer Creek (Cultus) has been in place since July 20th
with no fish observed to date.
The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Tuesday, August 4th, 2015.
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Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
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Tuesday, August 4, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 4 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel approved a run size estimate of 32,000 Early Stuart sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 6. An abundance estimate of Early Summer-run sockeye should be available later this week or next week after their peak migration through marine assessment areas has occurred. Summer run sockeye are the dominant management group in marine area samples. An update of Summer-run sockeye should be available later in August.
On August 3, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,669 cms, which is approximately 36% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 3 was 19.8C, which is 1.8C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 1, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 5, 2015.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 5, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 8, 2015.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Thursday, August 6, 2015 through 9:00 a.m. Friday August 7, 2015
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to reef nets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Thursday, August 6, 2015, and Friday, August 7, 2015
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 5, 2015, and Friday, August 7, 2015
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to drift gillnets from 8:00 a.m.to 11:59 p.m. Wednesday, August 5, 2015, and Friday, August 7, 2015

(Note: U. S. All Citizen fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 7, 2015.
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So the U.S gets an all citizen fishery?What kind of citizens are we?
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My understanding of "all citizens" means any non-native commercial operator fishing in native treaty waters.
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This would be in the Sound. It means non-native. And generally is by Point Roberts. Spent many years fishing sockeye out there on a gillnetter. For the most part, the native commercial fishermen get their allotment first or at least it is made sure they get their allotment. It is not a good place to be to be a non-native commercial fisherman.
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Friday, August 7, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 7 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The run-size estimate of 32,000 Early Stuart sockeye was unchanged at the meeting today. At the meeting today the Fraser River Panel approved a run-size estimate of 424,000 Early Summer sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 1. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing and a run-size estimate will be available after their peak migration through marine areas has occurred.
On August 6, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,530 cms, which is approximately 36% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 6 was 18.7 C, which is 0.7 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 5, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 8, 2015.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 8, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 12, 2015.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Sunday, August 9, 2015 through 9:00 a.m. Tuesday August 11, 2015.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to reef nets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 8, 2015.

Areas 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 8, 2015.
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to drift gillnets from 8:00 a.m.to 11:59 p.m. Saturday, August 8, 2015.
(Note: U. S. All Citizen fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 11, 2015.
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Thanks for clarifying that for me I have seen this before and wondered about it.Just hope enough of those socks make it up here to the Adams to provide me with some entertaining trout fishing.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 11 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Panel decreased the Early Summer run size estimate from 424,000 fish to 350,000 fish with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 29. At the meeting today, the Panel approved the p10 Summer run-size forecast estimate of 1,710,000 sockeye. Test fishing catches of Fraser pinks in Juan de Fuca and Johnstone Straits have increased over the past few days.
On August 10, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,558 cms, which is approximately 31% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 10 was 19.2 C, which is 1.0 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to reach 20.4 C by August 16. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 8, 2015 through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 12, 2015.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 14, 2015.
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Friday, August 21, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 21 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Test fishing catches of Fraser sockeye and pink salmon continue to track below pre-season expectations. At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 350,000 Early Summer run sockeye was unchanged. The Panel approved an increase to the Summer run-size estimate of 1,500,000 to 1,600,000 fish with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 11. The late run-size estimate of 419,000 sockeye was unchanged. Sockeye and pink salmon assessments will continue over the coming weeks as Summer run sockeye continue to dominate marine assessment areas and as pink salmon approach their expected 50% marine timing date of August 28.
On August 20 the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 2,203 cms, which is approximately 28% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 20 was 19.7C, which is 1.7C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
All Panel Area waters remain closed to commercial salmon fishing.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 25, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement12.pdf
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Friday, August 28, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 28 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink salmon runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 350,000 Early Summer run sockeye was increased to 400,000 sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 31 and the Summer run-size estimate of 1,600,000 sockeye was increased to 1,700,000 sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 12. The Late run-size of 419,000 sockeye was unchanged at the meeting today. A Fraser pink salmon run-size estimate should be available early next week after their expected 50% marine migration date.
On August 27 the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 1,828 cms, which is approximately 30% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 27 was 18.1C, which is 0.9C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to decrease to 17.3C by September 2. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Tuesday, August 25, 2015, through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 29, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 29, 2015, through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 2, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to net fishing 5:00 am Thursday, August 27, 2015 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday August 29, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.

Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open to net fishing 5:00 am Monday, August 31, 2015 through 9:00 a.m. Tuesday September 1, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to reef net with non-retention of sockeye from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday, August 30, 2015 and Monday, August 31, 2015.
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to purse seine with non-retention of sockeye from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday, August 30, 2015.
Areas 7 and 7A: Open to drift gillnet with non-retention of sockeye 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. Sunday, August 30, 2015.
(Note: U. S. All Citizen fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Monday, August 31, 2015.
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Fred's Custom Tackle Facebook page just posted the following:
Fraser river chinook fishery re-opens tomorrow in the mouth, tidal, and non-tidal portions. Pink fishery will remain closed until the 1% rule for sockeye/pink ratio has been achieved. DFO is requesting selective fishing methods in order to minimize the impact on the sockeye returns - this incldues bar fishing, casting spoons, back trolling plugs and fly fishing.
Rod; any chance you can post up this information or the link? i cant find anything on the DFO site.
Thanks,
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Can anyone tell me what the 1% rule is by chance?
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I commented on their post asking for the FN# or link to the update as i cant seem to find it on their page; Fred's replied :
"Once DFO have finalized their wording we will post it. We are part of a larger contingency of interested parties (guides, shops, other organizations) that have been working with DFO on this. We recevied an email less than an hour ago from DFO directly that this was happening".
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The 1% sockeye/pink salmon ratio refers to 1 sockeye to 100 pink salmon. Currently while some pink salmon have already moved into the Fraser, majority of the run is still outside the river. Once those fish start moving in and most of the sockeye move through, then the ratio goes down and retention of pink salmon opens.
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Thanks for clearing that up Rod. Guess we will see an opening at some point but probably not till next week at least.
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Rodney:
Any comment on what Fred's posted?
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About the larger contingency of interested parties working on this? I'm part of this group who has spent hours in the past week through email correspondence. The objective right now is to make sure you all get the openings that we should be getting, and continue the communication throughout this fall regarding the issue on selective fishing, being shut out while First Nations remain fishing, etc.
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Here is the notice for the tidal part:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175171&ID=all
Rod: please feel free to remove and send your own update. Thanks.
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Are hatchery cohoes closed as well?
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Are hatchery cohoes closed as well?
It is right now since no retention was announced. It'll close until early October after the interior coho and steelhead run period is over.
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I am confused so you can only fish for Chinook or can you fish for all salmon except sockeye and only retain chinook?
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You are not allowed to target any Salmon other than Chinook.
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I am confused so you can only fish for Chinook or can you fish for all salmon except sockeye and only retain chinook?
That's correct.
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Interesting that bottom bouncing is still not fully illegal, just frowned upon, but the tidal Fraser is closed for pink salmon even though the odds of catching a sockeye as bye-catch down there is slim to none.
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Interesting that bottom bouncing is still not fully illegal, just frowned upon, but the tidal Fraser is closed for pink salmon even though the odds of catching a sockeye as bye-catch down there is slim to none.
If we use common sense, we will never understand how DFO makes decision. CONTRADICT!!!
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BB for chinook at Non-tidal = >30 sockeye:<1 chinook
Lure or fly for pink at tidal = >1000 pink : < 1 sockeye
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Good call bbwong. Closing the entire river based on the bi-catch of the upper river is fair?
Sounds like someone has painted us all with the same brush. Is this not discriminating?
Why not do some fly overs in the lower river and monitoring as well.Would like to see the data from that study.
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Agree totally on the lack of sense on keeping the tidal closed.Sounds like political appeasement to me.Too bad the math does not support the closure.Taking from the majority to appease the minority.No problems with the continued closure for the time being of the non tidal.
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Now I am confused. If salmon are open for retention or if you can fish for them are two different issues. Chinooks are open for retention both the tidal and non tidal are open to salmon fishing. Only sockeye can not be targeted.
Rodney which part of the post you responded to was correct?
1}"I am confused so you can only fish for Chinook"
2}" or can you fish for all salmon except sockeye and only retain chinook?"
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There's no fishing for sockeye salmon, the objective is to avoid any possible by-catches of sockeye salmon. As long as you are doing that, then it's all good.
You can retain chinook salmon.
If you catch a coho, pink, or chum salmon right now, you have to release them.
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If you catch a coho, pink, or chum salmon right now, you have to release them.
Hey Rod - I totally get the no retention of coho and sockeye but do you know what the risk is at the moment to the Fraser pink and chum runs?
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Hey Rod - I totally get the no retention of coho and sockeye but do you know what the risk is at the moment to the Fraser pink and chum runs?
Chums are not really in the system yet so they've chosen to hold off on that I guess. For pinks, this is how the decision is made:
The 1% sockeye/pink salmon ratio refers to 1 sockeye to 100 pink salmon. Currently while some pink salmon have already moved into the Fraser, majority of the run is still outside the river. Once those fish start moving in and most of the sockeye move through, then the ratio goes down and retention of pink salmon opens.
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The 1% sockeye/pink salmon ratio refers to 1 sockeye to 100 pink salmon. Currently while some pink salmon have already moved into the Fraser, majority of the run is still outside the river. Once those fish start moving in and most of the sockeye move through, then the ratio goes down and retention of pink salmon opens.
which still doesn't explain how a potential opening for pinks in Lower Fraser would affect sockeye. Last year no one caught sockeye from shore in LF except for the odd fouled one, and that was with 26mil entering the river. What are the odds with say six times smaller run?
While I don't see any point in closure for pinks, I would comply with the rules and not fish for them, but in a week when pink start rolling I can imagine a good number of people will still fish it lol, either ignoring or boycotting the closure.
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Looking at the test Fisheries in 2013, the 100 to 1 ratio didn't get hit in the area 29 test nets until Mid September. Is that the time frame that we are looking at this year as well?
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I sure hope not. Floating down the Fraser right now by golden ears bridge and they're rolling.
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Well let's just hope they open the lower . To at least give people an opportunity to fish for them. Closing the upper for pinks is totally viable in my mind seeing as we will never get ride of pesky bottom bouncers.
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2013 Opened for Pinks and Chum(Dog) salmon , Lower Aug 30 .2013 and upper Aug 31 . 2013 to my recollection
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k532/Armytruck2010/Axel027_zps419c616e.jpg)
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Well, don't get your hopes up. Today the Fraser River Panel approved the pink salmon run size estimate to be 6 million fish, a lot less than what pre-season estimate at P50. 6 Million is actually the escapement goal, so it is likely that retention of pink salmon will not open.
The DFO sockeye and pink salmon updates coming out later today in a fishery notice will most likely confirm this. Here is the news release from Fraser River Panel.
Tuesday, September 1, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, September 1 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink salmon runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 400,000 Early Summer run sockeye and the 1,700,000 Summer run sockeye was unchanged. The Late run-size estimate of 419,000 sockeye was decreased to 300,000 sockeye with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 23. At the meeting today the Panel approved, for management purposes, a provisional Pink salmon run-size estimate of 6,000,000 fish with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 21.
On August 31 the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 1,875 cms, which is approximately 26% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 31 was 17.3 C, which is 0.4 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River temperatures are forecast to decrease to 15.1 C by September 6. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye and pink salmon escapement goals.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 29, 2015, through 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 2, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to net fishing 5:00 am Monday, August 31, 2015 through 9:00 a.m. Tuesday September 1, 2015. Sockeye may be retained for ceremonial and subsistence purposes only.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reef net with non-retention of sockeye from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, September 1, 2015.

Areas 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seine with non-retention of sockeye from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, September 1, 2015.
Areas 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to drift gillnet with non-retention of sockeye 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. Tuesday, September 1, 2015.
(Note: U. S. All Citizen fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, September 4, 2015.
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Thanks Rod. Do you know what the P50 numbers was for Pinks?
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Here it is.
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FN0968-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye and Pink Update - Areas 11 to 29 - September 1, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, September 1st, to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink runs to date and review the status of
migration conditions within the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of Fraser sockeye through the marine approach areas has continued
to decline in recent days with the majority of the migration remaining through
Johnstone Straits. Migration into the Fraser River has been steady but
continues to be at well below expected levels for the time of year and forecast
run size. The majority of the sockeye return continues to be Summer run stocks
with declining contributions from Early Summer stocks and increasing
proportions of Late run stocks. Estimates of daily Mission passage of sockeye
has been in the 53,000 to 80,000 range in the last few days while observations
at Hells Gate continue to show good passage of fish. The Area 13 purse seine
test fishery ended on August 31st.
The most recent DNA samples taken in the marine seine test fisheries show
sockeye stock compositions of 0 to 5% Early Summers, 50 to 66% Summer runs and
29 to 50% Late run stocks depending upon the approach area. At this time, the 5
day average diversion rate through Johnstone Strait for sockeye has increased
to 97%.
During the Panel meeting today, there were no changes to the run size for
Early Summer and Summer run sockeye however there was a reduction in the run
size for late run sockeye from 419,000 down to 300,000 fish with an Area 20
timing of August 23rd which is 6 days later than the pre-season timing of
August 17th. The number of Early Summer, Summer and late run sockeye estimated
to have passed Mission through August 31st is 356,300, 1,449,400 and 130,100
respectively
On August 31st, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 1,875 cms, which
is approximately 26% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser
River at Qualark Creek on August 31st declined to 17.3°C, which is 0.4°C above
average for this date. The river discharge level is forecast to drop to 1,813
cms by September 6th while water temperatures are forecast to decline to 15.1°C
for the same date. After reviewing environmental and stock assessment
information, there were no changes made to the management adjustment factors
for any of the run timing groups in today's Fraser Panel meeting. Management
adjustments are additional fish that are removed from identified harvest levels
and allowed to escape upstream in an attempt to assist in achievement of
escapement objectives for the different run timing groups. Observations of fish
condition in the Fraser River to date have shown low levels of fish showing
signs of stress or dead fish due to environmental conditions.
During recent days there has been a significant drop in the abundance of pink
salmon in the marine test fisheries in both approach areas. Weather conditions
have hampered test fisheries in both routes however in-river migration has also
been very low to date. The combination of these factors and the run size model
estimates of a total return in the range of 5 million pinks resulted in the
Fraser Panel adopting a provisional run size of 6 million Fraser pinks for
management purposes. At this run size there is limited TAC available for Fraser
pinks. Recent stock composition samples available for today's meeting indicate
a decrease in the proportion of Fraser pinks in Johnstone Strait to 59% and 67%
in Area 20. The most recent estimate of diversion of Fraser pink salmon through
Johnstone Strait has declined to 11% in the most recent 5 days of test fishing.
First Nations food, social and ceremonial (FSC) fisheries in marine areas and
the Fraser River mainstem up to French Bar Creek remain closed to sockeye
retention at this time. At the current run sizes there will be no sockeye
directed FSC fisheries in non-terminal areas for the remainder of the season.
FSC fisheries upstream of French Bar Creek remain open to sockeye retention as
catches have been low to date.
Fishers are requested to check for the opening times and any restrictions in
their local area. There are no planned commercial or recreational fisheries on
sockeye at this time.
The fifth upstream escapement report was released by DFO last week. The Early
Stuart sockeye enumeration program is ending this week with an in-season
estimate of 74% spawning success which is below the long term average of 89%
for this system. The first ground survey of the Nahatlatch system was conducted
on August 21st and the second survey of the Upper Chilliwack River was
conducted August 25th. Sockeye are reported to be in generally good condition
in the Upper Chilliwack River and nearing peak of spawn. The Nadina River
Channel was operational the evening of August 14th. 12,355 sockeye have been
counted into the channel to date. An additional 2,000 to 3,000 sockeye were
reported to be holding in front of the channel entrance. The counters at Gates
Creek and the Gates Creek spawning channel were operational August 7th. 1,413
Sockeye have been counted into the channel to date and an additional 5,559 have
been counted into the creek upstream of the channel to date. Many sockeye are
reported to have lesions, but are otherwise in generally good condition. The
counting fence on Scotch Creek was operational on August 9th; 459 sockeye have
passed through the fence to date. Most sockeye observed are reported to be in
good condition, but some have lesions and other marks. Visual surveys of Early
Summer-run streams that are tributary to the North and South Thompson Rivers
began on August 10th. Sockeye were observed holding in the Upper Barriere
River as well as off the mouth of Anstey River the current reporting period.
The Chilko River hydroacoustic site was operational on August 8th. Sockeye
numbers continue to be steadily increasing with no signs of pre-spawn mortality
observed to date. Many of the sockeye are reported to have lesions. The
Quesnel River hydroacoustic site was operational August 13th. Sockeye
migration into the system has steadily increased since last week. The Stellako
River hydroacoustic site was operational August 22nd. Sockeye are in the
early stages of migration into the river. Visual surveys of Summer-run sockeye
streams in the North Thompson drainage began Aug 11th. Sockeye continue to
migrate into the Raft River and are reported to be in good condition. The
Birkenhead hydroacoustic site became operational August 26th. The counting
fence at Sweltzer Creek (Cultus sockeye) was operational as of July 20th. 41
sockeye have passed through the fence to date and 6 sockeye have been taken for
broodstock
The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on
Friday, September 4th, 2015.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
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Friday, September 4, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, September 4 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink salmon runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, there were no changes to sockeye run sizes. The currently adopted run-size estimates are 400,000 Early summer run sockeye, 1,700,000 Summer run sockeye and 300,000 Late run sockeye. The Panel approved a Pink salmon run-size estimate of 6,000,000 fish with a 50% marine timing through Area 20 of August 21.
On September 3 the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was 1,982 cms, which is approximately 19% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on September 3 was 16.1C, which is 0.4C lower than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye and pink salmon escapement goals.
All Panel Area Waters remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, September 8, 2015.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2015/Announcement17.pdf
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Friday, September 11, 2015
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, September 11 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye and pink salmon runs and to review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Early Summer run-size estimate of 400,000 sockeye, the Summer run-size estimate of 1,500,000 sockeye, the Late run-size of 200,000 sockeye and the Pink salmon run-size of 6,200,000 were unchanged.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Commercial salmon fisheries in Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 29-6, 29-7 and 29-9: Area B seine assessment ITQ (two vessels) seine fishery for pink salmon with non-retention of sockeye salmon closed effective 16:20, September 10, 2015. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notice for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to Commercial salmon fisheries.
The Panel will receive an email update on Monday, September 14, 2015 and consider another meeting on Tuesday, September 15, 2015.
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Any more news on sockeye escapements Rodney?
I have been to Gates, Corbold, and the Birkenhead and looked around. Gates and Corbold had many spawners. The B on the other hand looked very poor. Curious if there was an update on hard numbers.