Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: rockonfishing on June 23, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
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:-[ so over the past several years I have seen more and more fishers using tuff line/fire line on the river. I get very upset because 1 it takes forever for them to break the line when they get snagged, and 2 in some cases they actually cut mono line when they call fish on,
Last year a gentle fisherman I got into a bit of a discussion using this line and thinking out it he actually brought up a good point, its better for the environment.
Your thoughts, comments are very much appreciated.
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Better for the environment in what way?
If everyone packed out what they packed in there would be fewer problems.
As for your question.
I primarily use mono although I do use backing on my pin.
Haven't really been convinced to change though some of my friends have.
Maybe it's just cuz I'm adverse to change or what's benn working ain't broken.
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It's way easyer to break off braid than mono. No stretch
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i dont believe braid is needed on the vedder. i run 15 main line and have only broken a few hot springs in fast water. i do however use braid on my spinning gear set ups because i like the way you can feel everything really well when chucking metal.
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I've left more mono in the river than braid... It's all I use now...
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Braid has some nice qualities that are advantageous to float fishing. There is nothing wrong with using it for those who know how to handle it and I suspect some of the issues the OP has listed is a result of fishermen not fully experienced with its properties.
For breaking off snags, have them wrap the braid around a fish bonker and walk back a few steps. Done. Straightlining it using the reel's drag is futile. Wrapping it around your arm is just insanity and asking for trouble.
For environmental friendly-ness I've heard braid is slower to break down than mono. If you use good short-floating technique and select an appropriate leader strength you will rarely lose much mainline, if any.
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I was told mono is easier to deal with when you get a backlash/birdsnest on your levelwind. It makes sense, the stiffer mono line is easier to handle when untangling. I run 20lb Maxima mono main line and have only broken it once, on a snag.
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I was told mono is easier to deal with when you get a backlash/birdsnest on your levelwind.
100% true. Braid is so limp that it will tangle in ways you would not even think were physically possible. And once it's cinched tight there is no backing it out of a knot. Its best left for the more proficient angler IMHO, as a bad birdsnest can end your day real quick or you'll be cutting off lots of expensive line just to clear the mess.
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Do people still use mono for their main line? Haven't used it in years except for light spin casting on flat water.
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My 2 cents here.
Braid is great for spinning reels! Like others have said you get a really nice feel for the spoon or spinner, and better casting distance esp if you are chucking light metal. I run 20lb Suffix braid on my set up for coho/pinks etc. Good times on a light 9ft rod.
Braid is also good and necessary on the fraser for bottom bouncing, sturgeon fishing, ect. Are you going to spool up with 50lb mono. Yeah no. My fraser set up for bottom bounching has 50lb braid and I like it.
Braid for float fishing smaller rivers like the Vedder, IMO, is NOT a good idea. It is a rarity to see a "good rod" with braid on his level wind or center pin for this type of fishing. Why? First when float fishing, esp when the water clears up and especially for finicky coho, you are trying to keep everything as invisible as possible. Guys often use clear floats, small split shot, small swivels, light leader (often flourocarbon) and small hooks with small presentations/bait. Braid looks like cable to fish in clear water and IMO scares certain fish away under certain water conditions. Plus I find braid does not cast well when using light float fishing gear.
I remember last fall me and a couple buddies were float fishing a nice run for coho on the Vedder (water is low and clear). All using light mono mainline (12 or 15lb I forget), small floats and light leaders ect. We were doing quite well. Got into some chum as well and 1 spring. Guy comes along and askes for fish the same "honey hole." We say no probelm squeeze in. We keep hooking fish after fish. He is using similar set up (float, lead, swivel, small hook) but has braid on. He didnt hook a damn thing all afternoon! We told him it's your mainline dude, take it off and put on some good 12 or 15 mono. He said no way I'm just having bad luck or whatever. My buddy said, here, take my rod and fish with it. Guy was surprised but took it and my buddy fished with his. Guy starts hooking fish!! My buddy, who is a fantastic float fisher, hooked one lousy zombie chum in 30 min or so on the braid rod. Guy was sold and said he was going to spool up with mono before heading out next time.
Also it should be added that when tossing metal the fish often "zones in" on the spoon or whatever. Metal often really pisses fish off and they smash it and probably wont notice heavy leader or braid mainline. I often just tie braid right to my spoon or spinner if the water is murky. If it's clear I'll use a mono or flouro leader esp for coho.
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Do people still use mono for their main line? Haven't used it in years except for light spin casting on flat water.
Where have you been fishing? Neptune?!
For float fishing, especially in the summer/fall when the water is low, pretty much every person you see fishing with dead fish beside them will be spooled up with mono mainline.
For spinn casting braid is cool (hell I use it).
For snagging aka "dipping" in the upper vedder (you know who you are) braid is fine as since you are just flossing them in the mouth (or misc fleshy spot) you might as well have braid on. Hell maybe even just tie a length of braid to a broom handle and floss away then you won't burn out the drag on your nice reel or slip and smash it on a rock.
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My issue with "braid" is that the test strength is often way above what is required to catch fish. Why would one use #50 braid for fishing a river that you would fish #20 mono. Causing other anglers to hook the braid and break off their gear.
Braid remains in the river longer than mono and also collects particulates that turn it into a very abrasive cutting instrument.
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i use 20lb Hydrafloat from pline when fishing the stave or harrison for chum its awsome other than that leave it for the fraser or chuking hardware
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15 lb maxima with backing to save money on spooling. Braid sucks on the vedder. If u know how to fish correctly go for it but tag line might be a good idea. Prob is bottom bouncers and flossers use it mostly. Makes a mess!
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Mono on all my pins, braid on all my spinning reels and braid on all of my bait casters (don't use them often but will always put a 10 or so foot section of mono shock leader on the braid when fishing smaller rivers). Braid floats nice and you can get good drifts with it, but running a shock leader from your braid helps with the spooking issue. Braids nicer to mend if you have to and tangles a lot less/ lays down nicer on your reel. And for spinning reels, the distance you get with braid compared to mono makes a world of a difference.
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Mono on all my pins, braid on all my spinning reels and braid on all of my bait casters (don't use them often but will always put a 10 or so foot section of mono shock leader on the braid when fishing smaller rivers). Braid floats nice and you can get good drifts with it, but running a shock leader from your braid helps with the spooking issue. Braids nicer to mend if you have to and tangles a lot less/ lays down nicer on your reel. And for spinning reels, the distance you get with braid compared to mono makes a world of a difference.
Exactly my experience too. The only thing I find is I can get awful over winds with it if I put too much on my baitcaster. Played around with lots of options and 20lb spiderwire braid with 8 to 12lb leader works well for me. I have never needed more than about 50m of braid on my reel at least not for chums or coho so I spool my reel with the minimum needed.
I find mono a lot thicker and harder to work with when I am trying to dead drift a float. Contrary to others I prefer braid on my baitcaster and I prefer mono for spinning setups.
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How come Mono worked for so many for many years.
Catching lots of fish in the "good old days" ?
Cuz it works and it comes down to user preference and confidence.
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True, FOCB, but remember that mono was once the new kid on the block too. It replaced braid- not Spectra-based line, but braid nonetheless. Personally, I just like to have the opportunity to choose, and the best way is to try it, one way or another, before I dive in.
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Braid on every reel except centerpin. So many reasons why braided line is superior to mono. If you are breaking off large chunks of mainline when using braid, you are doing it wrong. I use 30 pound braid on all my levelwind reels for clients when float fishing and 10-15 pound florocarbon leaders.
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Mono on all my pins, braid on all my spinning reels and braid on all of my bait casters (don't use them often but will always put a 10 or so foot section of mono shock leader on the braid when fishing smaller rivers). Braid floats nice and you can get good drifts with it, but running a shock leader from your braid helps with the spooking issue. Braids nicer to mend if you have to and tangles a lot less/ lays down nicer on your reel. And for spinning reels, the distance you get with braid compared to mono makes a world of a difference.
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Not sure I buy the contention that braid scares fish. I have fished steelhead from jet boats with the motor running to hold the boat in place in the current and fished right over the side into moving water about 10 feet deep. The fish held in spite of the boat. I have observed massed chinook in pools that barely responded to a large rock chucked in to determine if the darkness on the bottom of the pool was massed fish or just a black bottom to the pool. Fly fishers regularly pass their main line over pools and the heads are like cables compared to braid or mono and mostly the fish don't move. In a still clear pool a cast lure will certainly move fish but it is more the plop of the lure or the flutter of it that moves the fish. You can observe this in a clear lake where the fish are holding in place. A cast spinning lure might entice one of two to bite immediately and the rest to leave. In this circumstance you get one cast.
There is a report about on the ability of bass to see line. These fish were trained to only take food that was attached to a visible line. Then the line visibility was reduced. They found the bass could easily see even the lightest mono line. So the fish can see even the lightest line, water conditions permitting.
A fisherman standing in the water imitating a bear is much more likely to spook the fish than the difference between braid and mono.
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I've also pulled some massive snags of line and such with my 45bpound braid line.... Also, when tied with my "not as ideal knot" it is actually less rated at the knot which is where I want it to fail... 45 line rating is maybe now 30-35ish and absolutely going to fail at the knot... I don't want to stress my mainline and keep it in great working order... Never replaced it yet, although soon I will need too.... After many years fishing and in the hands of newbies... I have a higher line rating as my rod is not exclusive to small rivers
I remember having to break off snagged fish and losing a bunch of line while stretching the rest... Mono...
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2 week ends ago i was fishing a lake in the interior and was sight fishing in shallow water. when i chucked floating line at the rainbows they would all scatter because of the oranges and yellows of the floating line. when i changed it up and through intermediate sink which is clear they would not scare. i know there is a difference from the vedder and braid is thinner but i do believe stealth is the key.
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Not sure I buy the contention that braid scares fish. I have fished steelhead from jet boats with the motor running to hold the boat in place in the current and fished right over the side into moving water about 10 feet deep. The fish held in spite of the boat. I have observed massed chinook in pools that barely responded to a large rock chucked in to determine if the darkness on the bottom of the pool was massed fish or just a black bottom to the pool. Fly fishers regularly pass their main line over pools and the heads are like cables compared to braid or mono and mostly the fish don't move. In a still clear pool a cast lure will certainly move fish but it is more the plop of the lure or the flutter of it that moves the fish. You can observe this in a clear lake where the fish are holding in place. A cast spinning lure might entice one of two to bite immediately and the rest to leave. In this circumstance you get one cast.
There is a report about on the ability of bass to see line. These fish were trained to only take food that was attached to a visible line. Then the line visibility was reduced. They found the bass could easily see even the lightest mono line. So the fish can see even the lightest line, water conditions permitting.
A fisherman standing in the water imitating a bear is much more likely to spook the fish than the difference between braid and mono.
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A few years ago I was using PowerPro #20 green line on my baitcaster. Was performing way better than mono. Almost invisible and cost effective. Can land any fish with it.
My preferences: centerpin - 12-15# mono, baitcaster - PowerPro 20#-green, spinning - Nanofil - 10 -12# green.
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so over the past several years I have seen more and more fishers using tuff line/fire line on the river. I get very upset because 1 it takes forever for them to break the line when they get snagged, and 2 in some cases they actually cut mono line when they call fish on,
You must be fishing in awfully close quarters to have a problem with the kind of line your neighbours are using. Find a more secluded location and it won't be a concern.
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