Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Silver on May 05, 2015, 10:50:09 PM
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Inspiration.
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Lure parts online...missing sterling silver.
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Jed's fave...much back ordered.$$$
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Nice barb pliers for smaller hooks.
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thats a great book. especially the chapter on temperatures.
He is a huge french blade advocate. ;) post some pics of your completed work.
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thats a great book. especially the chapter on temperatures.
He is a huge french blade advocate. ;) post some pics of your completed work.
Thought so too. And also the emphasis on real silver or gold plating.
I will start assembling soon once I receive the remaining parts.
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Are you going to use the tape on the back of the blades?
Looking forward to seeing more. Thanks for posting up.
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Yes, I will put a tape dot on the inside of most of the blades...except the black ones.
Wanted to weigh the completed spinner prototypes:
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This is a 24K gold economy with brass body.
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This is an all sterling silver Pen-tac.
Both are surprisingly the same weight, 3/10oz...considering the different blade thicknesses.
I will also assemble the lighter Pen-tac body in all metal finishes when the parts arrive.
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I have almost everything now.
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I'm looking forward to see the final product.
I am taping up and painting some brass spoons tonight, trying out a few different materials.
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The 'premium' tools sold to make spinners are not that great...
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These should make it easier.
I selected these punch sizes for my blade tape. I can proper sticker punches if these don't work well.
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The 'premium' tools sold to make spinners are not that great...
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These should make it easier.
I selected these punch sizes for my blade tape. I can proper sticker punches if these don't work well.
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The tool punches didn't work very well...
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This proper paper punch is much better. A perfect 3/8 inch for #3 blades. I just need a 1/2 inch for the larger ones.
I intended to produce a few of each spinner in different weight and finish variations, and also with different lure tape. Too many, and too much trouble to bother.
I will simply follow the general rules for size and finish dependant on water condition, light, and temperature.
This is a random assortment that I will start with...
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Looks nice, I've wanted to give this a try. Where did you get the black blades and bodies?
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Pen-Tac
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Thanks for the info. I wasnt familiar with Pen-Tac, they seem to have a pretty good variety of finishes.
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You say that the premium tools supplied aren't that great.
When I used to make my own spinners I used this wire former-bender-thingy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lure-maker-Spinner-maker-wire-bender-tackle-craft-wire-bending-forming-tool-/181723602544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4f921e70 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lure-maker-Spinner-maker-wire-bender-tackle-craft-wire-bending-forming-tool-/181723602544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4f921e70)
That, and a pair of side cutters, was all I used.
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If you follow the Jed Davis doctrine, then you will only require genuine metal finishes in French style blades only. These should be purchased from Pen-Tac for the unique qualities that only they possess.
However, I also purchased many similar components from Lure Parts online and in additional painted colors. With my limited experience I have found that chartruce and brass perform best...on the Cap.
I am not yet convinced that the significant premium is necessary for the Pen-tac components yet...time will yield findings. They are nicer though.
Get a print catalogue from LPO, it's easier to determine actual sizing of parts. And you can better see all the items they have.
The best wire forming pliers are supposed Grobet. The ones I got should be sold in a dollar store. I saw some regular snap ring pliers that could do a better job.
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No need for a wire former unless money is burning a hole in your pocket-I've used my bare hands to make spinners that work.
Also why use a split ring between the hook & lure body?
Hot Tip-the Best PenTac combo for Coho is a size 4.5 Silver blade/size 4 Brass body.
There's still a bag with hundreds of dollars worth of that gear on my bench hiding under the dust somewhere.
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However, I also purchased many similar components from Lure Parts online and in additional painted colors. With my limited experience I have found that chartruce and brass perform best...on the Cap.
Interesting, I have found chartreuse and brass spoons or spinners to the the best colour combination on the Squamish (for bulls).
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No need for a wire former unless money is burning a hole in your pocket-I've used my bare hands to make spinners that work.
Also why use a split ring between the hook & lure body?
Hot Tip-the Best PenTac combo for Coho is a size 4.5 Silver blade/size 4 Brass body.
There's still a bag with hundreds of dollars worth of that gear on my bench hiding under the dust somewhere.
A wire former is also not useful to me as I use the ready made wire shafts, and to finish the top of one without a bare wire section...pliers are necessary. I also like to twist the loops by hand, but had some trouble finding quality pliers in the correct size.
I put the split ring on the wire so that I can change out hooks if necessary. And I have also read that it adds some additional flexibilty to the hook swing and can increase hooks ups...not unlike the trailing hook method to a smaller degree.
I will keep in mind your size/color selection for future reference. I have mostly #3 blades as a preference for the Capilano...It is my understanding that this system prefers a smaller presentation. I even have some smaller Rob's Bait roe to try soon.
I also have a shocking amount of dollars invested in a fairly small assortment of parts. However, it should be satisfying to catch a few with something that you make yourself.
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I use ready made spinner shafts and finish the top by using one of my wire former. Snap to use.
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I use ready made spinner shafts and finish the top by using one of my wire former. Snap to use.
Can you form the spinner with no shaft space exposed when finished?
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Can you form the spinner with no shaft space exposed when finished?
Yes
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I like using split rings between the hook and spinner body for the same reasons as silver, it's all about preference.
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Hot Tip-the Best PenTac combo for Coho is a size 4.5 Silver blade/size 4 Brass body.
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Dogbreath is right on color wise, only that for cohos I use size 3 most of the time, under normal water condition.
BTW, for those who are interested. Below are the actual weights of the:
blades:
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bodies:
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It was the best 50 bucks I ever spent on 100 spinners.
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50 cents a spinner is great!
As the prices have gone up considerably since the printing on that Pen-tac catalogue, the average price for the #3 spinners I have completed are around $3.50 each.
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You say that the premium tools supplied aren't that great.
When I used to make my own spinners I used this wire former-bender-thingy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lure-maker-Spinner-maker-wire-bender-tackle-craft-wire-bending-forming-tool-/181723602544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4f921e70 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lure-maker-Spinner-maker-wire-bender-tackle-craft-wire-bending-forming-tool-/181723602544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4f921e70)
That, and a pair of side cutters, was all I used.
That tool gives me nightmares... Hate using it; much easier to use round nose pliers.
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I use the pro wire forming tool from Hagen's , it gives a perfect finish all the time. It's not cheap but it will be the last one that you will ever buy because it's built to last and if you do need a replacement part they are easy to order.
If you're looking for a really good company to order plated blades and bodies from the have a look at www.fishermanshack.net because they sell the same thickness blade in silver and 24K gold plating but at a far better price than pen tac.