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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: swimmingwiththefishes on April 09, 2015, 10:28:38 AM
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Well I hope this one isn't relegated to the politics section. This one hits close to home and will effect alot of people.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/vancouver/spill+English+Crews+work+through+night+trying+contain/10958106/story.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/toxic-fuel-spill-clean-up-underway-in-vancouver-s-english-bay-1.3026227
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I am curious as to what happens when a spill of this type is connected to a ship anchored in the harbour.
Are they assessed a clean up fee/fine?
Do they have to go into dry dock for repairs?
The link in the CBC article has some information on the "bunker fuel" that was spilled:
The list of possible effects are listed as:
- Harmful if inhaled
- Suspected of damaging fertility or the unborn child
- May cause damage to organs or organ systems through prolonged or repeated exposure
- May cause cancer
The fuel is also, according to Shell's data, extremely dangerous for the marine environment.
- Very toxic to aquatic life
- Very toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects
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Good job on your world class clean up Christy, now increase tanker traffic by 3 times and eliminate the coast gaurd station. Bye bye environment, hello big corporate profit. Why can't common sense prevail and make all players happy by following proper process, over cuts and finger crossing. Now down play it as having a small impact, big or small there will be an impact this should be taken as more than just a warning sign of what is to come.
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Good job on your world class clean up Christy, now increase tanker traffic by 3 times and eliminate the coast gaurd station. Bye bye environment, hello big corporate profit. Why can't common sense prevail and make all players happy by following proper process, over cuts and finger crossing. Now down play it as having a small impact, big or small there will be an impact this should be taken as more than just a warning sign of what is to come.
Easy to blame Christy Clark but the fact is the Conservatives under Stephen Harper that closed the Coast Guard Station.
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Was wonder how long before the blame Christy for everything crowd piped up.
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it bothers me that this is a federal issue and a not provincial. we should be in charge of our coast. Why are they in charge of the matter from 2200 miles away.
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Closure of the Coast Guard station by the Tories certainly isn't helping
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This will have significant effects on tourism for the foreseeable future. I feel for the local community that swims, crabs, fishes and boats in the harbour as well as the guiding businesses in the area.
As this article highlights this will have an impact.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-oil-spill-could-have-far-reaching-impacts-expert-1.3027976
On another note I hope that the Sportfishing industry will get their act together and actually take a stand on issues that have huge effects on them - ie. resource development and fisheries management. I listen often to the outdoor line (a great radio show) and it seems the fishing community in Washington has their act together better than we do.
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The Federal government is responsible for the pathetic response for this.The province has little say in this is because almost everything is under the control of the government of Canada as it is in the rest of Canada.The Coast Guard is supposed to take the lead on oil spill containment. The port of Vancouver is under the authority of the feds as well as fisheries etc. I happen to concur with the opinion they are too far away. The conservatives have their own agenda. I am no Christy Clark fan but I do not blame them for this other than not being more aggressive in protecting our interests. However with the one man dictator Harper in charge no one gets heard that is not on board with their vision.
Just wait until we have greatly increased traffic of Oil tankers running right through the inlet. This was a small spill and it took 6 hours before a containment boom was in place!
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Sadly, I am pessimistic about our environmental future and I strongly believe that this is just a small sample of (and a warning about) what we can expect if Kinder Morgan has it their way.
Human greed never ceases to amaze me. In order to fatten up the accounts of a few shareholders, this country is willing to risk its most precious asset - its nature. Gordon Gekko would be proud.
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Just a quick question- has the spill been contained in English Bay? or is there any word of it spreading east of the bay (towards Indian Arm and beyond)?
Am asking because I was planning to get some crabbing and bottom fishing done off Belcarra early next week. I would be bummed if the spill has reached the areas in question :-[ Ridiculous that it took so long for the authorities to respond to a small spill like that!
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Lots of negative comments about the six hours it took to get the boom in place. Maybe that was a little slow given the nearby location but probably representative of the time it will always take to respond with equipment delivered by slow boat. So when a major spill occurs up the coast in a tidal channel during a winter storm, how long will the 'world class' spill protection take to get booms in place? Methinks too long whatever the method.
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Just a quick question- has the spill been contained in English Bay? or is there any word of it spreading east of the bay (towards Indian Arm and beyond)?
Am asking because I was planning to get some crabbing and bottom fishing done off Belcarra early next week. I would be bummed if the spill has reached the areas in question :-[ Ridiculous that it took so long for the authorities to respond to a small spill like that!
i heard it went West towards West Van. However, I'm going to give it a little break
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Maybe this small spill will actually be a positive thing as it will wake people up from denying the fact that spills can and do happen in British Columbia!!!
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https://vimeo.com/124640475
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Maybe this small spill will actually be a positive thing as it will wake people up from denying the fact that spills can and do happen in British Columbia!!!
I agree. This spill will galvanize public opinion against Kinder Morgan's proposal to increase tanker sailing.
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Just a quick question- has the spill been contained in English Bay? or is there any word of it spreading east of the bay (towards Indian Arm and beyond)?
Am asking because I was planning to get some crabbing and bottom fishing done off Belcarra early next week. I would be bummed if the spill has reached the areas in question :-[ Ridiculous that it took so long for the authorities to respond to a small spill like that!
funny you bring that up. i am also going crabbing except this is the first time for me. i am going with a experienced buddy. i will be going no mater what but plan to bring my camera to document what i see from a first hand view.
i have a an hour or two during work to read comments from other news broadcasters and i hear alot about this has nothing to do with pipelines. to them i say give your head a shake. this has everything to to do with coastal spills whether bitumen , bunker fuel or whatever spills. WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO DEAL WITH SUCH SPILLS.
call me an environmentalist terrorist, or whatever. is your portfolio really more important than our coast. if our federal government put half the amount of effort into convincing us about big oil as other potential projects we be alot further ahead. i dont want to be telling my grand kids about a coast we had. id rather show them. end rant.
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Just to clarify, the Coast Guard doesn't do the actual oil spill response on the water so the False Creek Station really isn't an issue. The on-the-water containment and cleanup is the job of the Western Canada Marine Response Corporation and it's standby subcontractors, paid for by fees charged to cargo and oil ships and oil handling facilities all along the coast. In Vancouver Harbour, they have to respond to small spills within 6 hours but the response window for large spills is within 12 hours. By that time, a large spill would be devastating.
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--the sad thing is that the contractor has probably met the required response time.
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Here's the city of Vancouver message with the link to the sign-up:
http://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/fuel-spill-cleanup.aspx
The federal government has advised City of Vancouver and Park Board officials that the formal oil spill recovery and cleanup on the shoreline will begin this afternoon. Initial efforts in the City of Vancouver will be concentrated in English Bay and Stanley Park. This will require a temporary closure of the Seawall around Siwash Rock.
The Western Canada Marine Response Corporation (WCMRC) as directed by the Canadian Coast Guard will be coordinating shoreline cleanup and our staff will assist as required.
The federal agencies have advised the City and Park Board that cleanup efforts will involve crews in protective gear with special expertise in oil recovery and for now there is no involvement possible for volunteers.
We appreciate the thousands of offers of help from citizen volunteers and are impressed by the passion local residents have shown for our beaches and wildlife. We will continue to work with the federal and provincial authorities to find ways our volunteers can help as the cleanup continues.
We urge citizens to stay away from the foreshore and keep pets out of the water. This morning the Park Board placed signage on many of our beaches, cautioning people to stay out of the water and refrain from cleanup efforts.
Park Board Rangers are assisting the contracted wildlife rescue group with bird rescues. At this time, we have been informed that several oiled birds have been taken to a refuge for treatment.
Park Board Rangers continue to patrol the beaches with provincial partners from the Ministry of the Environment, focusing on impact assessment and public education.
Again, we thank all citizens for their commitment and passion for our beaches and natural environments.
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For up-to-date information, see the City of Vancouver’s Twitter feed: #vanfuelspill.
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Tell us if you want to volunteer for a cleanup
Fill out an online form to let us know you are interested in helping clean up after the fuel spill. The City will contact you if volunteer opportunities are available.
vancouver.ca|By City of Vancouver
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A couple of pics from today:
(http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac11/thoprice88/10613055_10155378009475548_8851818677178249385_n_zps8xeflm9w.jpg)
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Details of the closures: http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=170281&ID=all
Effective immediately and until further notice, the following portions of Area
28: Subareas 28-6 to 28-9 inclusive are closed to fishing for all shellfish and
groundfish species. This area includes those waters easterly of a line drawn
between Point Grey to Point Atkinson to the westerly side of the Lions Gate
Bridge.
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The crabbers at the sailing club won't be happy.
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Details of the closures: http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=170281&ID=all
Effective immediately and until further notice, the following portions of Area
28: Subareas 28-6 to 28-9 inclusive are closed to fishing for all shellfish and
groundfish species. This area includes those waters easterly of a line drawn
between Point Grey to Point Atkinson to the westerly side of the Lions Gate
Bridge.
So, is it safe to eat crabs caught in the Indian Arms/Deep Cove area?
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This is a precautionary measure (better be safe than sorry measure) until authority can determine that it is 100% safe to consume whatever anglers choose to harvest. The same judgement call should be used by you in areas where fishing is still open. If you feel that the risk is minimal, go for it... ;)
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So, is it safe to eat crabs caught in the Indian Arms/Deep Cove area?
I reckon so, but like Rodney says, it is up to the individual to decide.
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Great report by the city goes through everything. Nice job and good to see.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/261866157/City-of-Vancouver-oil-spill-presentation
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Another recent update on beaches situation.
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/cleanup-inspection-map-april-13-14.pdf
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More video on this topic.
https://youtu.be/cJL58CXfWHY
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More video on this topic.
https://youtu.be/cJL58CXfWHY
Thanks for the link Chris. James Moore seems to be a little tongue tied. ;)
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Big business has them by the balls.
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Anyone fishing salmon in West Van? Would you eat your catch?
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So, is it safe to eat crabs caught in the Indian Arms/Deep Cove area?
I've recently eaten crab caught out of this area and no ill effects so far...knock on wood ;D Anyway I've noticed less people crabbing than usual at Belcarra..wonder whether news of the spill scared them away (better for me as there's more crab to go around!).
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I got out yesterday for some crabbing up the arm. Sun was shining and had the whole area I was in to myself. Crab tasted great we all enjoyed it, I just skimmed the bunker fuel off the top of the pot like I was smelting my lead for bullets.