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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Trophy Fisher on October 26, 2014, 12:15:57 PM
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The other day at the Stave I snagged a chum in the back and as I was going to release it another fisherman insisted I keep it. I know it was wrong but everyone was doing it so I just followed along. The meat ended up being junk and I threw it away but at last I got some good roe!!
What are your thoughts on this practice??
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Oh TF… All the rivers must be blown out today lol! :o
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Are we being punk'd lol
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The other day at the Stave I snagged a chum in the back and as I was going to release it another fisherman insisted I keep it. I know it was wrong but everyone was doing it so I just followed along. The meat ended up being junk and I threw it away but at last I got some good roe!!
What are your thoughts on this practice??
Well since you asked, i would say that makes you a poacher as you kept an illegally caught fish ( snagged). You then threw the fish away and justified it by saying you got some good roe. Maybe get some proper ethics and learn to respect your quarry and don't do things just because other people insist you do it. Would you have killed a wild coho or steelhead just because someone said go for it?
Fishing is a privilege, not a right. Follow the rules or stay the hell off of the water!
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If you have to ask, you already know the answer.
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The other day at the Stave I snagged a chum in the back and as I was going to release it another fisherman insisted I keep it. I know it was wrong but everyone was doing it so I just followed along. The meat ended up being junk and I threw it away but at last I got some good roe!!
What are your thoughts on this practice??
Posting that you've done something illegal in a public forum whether it be as a joke or not, really isn't a good idea. I hope this still turns out okay for you. :-\
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WTS Sarcasm Meter, message for details.
Good for people who take the internet too serious.
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Why's a guy with a jet boat and wearing a gloomis hat asking if it's morally wrong?! It's legally wrong and where's your integrity?
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ill buy a two year membership rodney if you ban this troll lol
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It's wrong; you know that. And now you have no respect.
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Now you have the juice!
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Can't be wrong if so many people are doing it.
Just like flossing.
:P
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Its just a stupid fish anyways.
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Boy this escalated quickly
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Let me gues,after you gutted it,and took the roe,you kicked a field goal,with the fish,cause it seems every body else there is. :D
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Lol..
Pretty sure the regs state the fish must be hooked in the mouth and also that its illegal to waste a fish that has been caught.
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Sounds like the OP was simply explaining a typical goings-on. I highly doubt he is stating he actually did this, rather, many fishers out there are.
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Sounds like the OP was simply explaining a typical goings-on. I highly doubt he is stating he actually did this, rather, many fishers out there are.
I ain't exaclty with it when it comes to the internet. But I believe the kids call this trolling. :P
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Internet Troll:
A person whose sole purpose in life is to seek out people to argue with on the internet over extremely trivial issues. Such arguments can happen on blogs, Facebook, Myspace and a host of others.
The best thing you can do to fight an internet troll is to not answer..or report them.
"God, Jeromy won't stop posting about Larry's bad spelling in that conversation."
"Yeah, I know, what a Internet Troll."
by Person#98765 June 21, 2009, www.urbandictionary.com.
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Does a troll live in a box, under a bridge or on a boat??? Hmmm ::)
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I read somewhere that a troll lives under the spawning channel bridge at the Stave. Watch out for him as he will take your zombie chums from you and any roe if he catches you!
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Internet Troll:
A person whose sole purpose in life is to seek out people to argue with on the internet over extremely trivial issues. Such arguments can happen on blogs, Facebook, Myspace and a host of others.
The best thing you can do to fight an internet troll is to not answer..or report them.
"God, Jeromy won't stop posting about Larry's bad spelling in that conversation."
"Yeah, I know, what a Internet Troll."
by Person#98765 June 21, 2009, www.urbandictionary.com.
Urban dictionary is wrong on that one.
The best description for It is "People who say things to provoke an emotional response from someone." It's simple, concise and not specific to the internet, though it made it easier and more widespread.
The best trolls are those whom cannot be trolled themselves, which in turn trolls ye who attempts the troll.
There is an art to it, the original posting here wasn't bad actually, but I feel a forum such as this it Is too easy to troll as there are some older gentleman who aren't the best with the internet; especially realizing when they've been trolled or not.
Edit:
If anyone wants to know if they're being trolled or not, I will offer the free service of letting you know. Just, mention my name or, message me the thread. I'll sort it out.
Additional trolling fee's may apply.
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What is worse for the fish:
A) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - unhook it and release it. Snag another fish by the mouth - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
B) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
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What is worse for the fish:
A) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - unhook it and release it. Snag another fish by the mouth - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
B) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
A is worse for the fish. But B is worse for the fishery, the whole point is to try and prevent people from purposely snagging.
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A is worse for the fish. But B is worse for the fishery, the whole point is to try and prevent people from purposely snagging.
While the entire Fraser River is lined with people armed with bouncing betties targetting Sockeye.. Do you think it's a realistic goal to get all of these people to stop snagging? I think we should let them keep their non-mouth snagged fish and get off the water so they don't stand there damaging more and more fish all day just to take 2 out of 10 that are hooked in the mouth.
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jon5hill you had a thread on this, no one is on it now for a reason.
Stop attempting to hiijack this thread.
What is worse for the fish:
A) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - unhook it and release it. Snag another fish by the mouth - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
B) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
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jon5hill you had a thread on this, no one is on it now for a reason.
Stop attempting to hiijack this thread.
My comments are relevant. I'm sorry you feel obligated to police the forums in this manner.
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My comments are relevant. I'm sorry you feel obligated to police the forums in this manner.
The op was trolling and looking for fun. it was determined as such hereI ain't exaclty with it when it comes to the internet. But I believe the kids call this trolling. :P
And this thread was done here
Urban dictionary is wrong on that one.
The best description for It is "People who say things to provoke an emotional response from someone." It's simple, concise and not specific to the internet, though it made it easier and more widespread.
The best trolls are those whom cannot be trolled themselves, which in turn trolls ye who attempts the troll.
There is an art to it, the original posting here wasn't bad actually, but I feel a forum such as this it Is too easy to troll as there are some older gentleman who aren't the best with the internet; especially realizing when they've been trolled or not.
Edit:
If anyone wants to know if they're being trolled or not, I will offer the free service of letting you know. Just, mention my name or, message me the thread. I'll sort it out.
Additional trolling fee's may apply.
before this post here:
What is worse for the fish:
A) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - unhook it and release it. Snag another fish by the mouth - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
B) Snag a fish by the back, reel it in after a strenuous battle - bonk it and keep it - then go home because your limit is done.
Therefore its a hiijack
end of my part of this discussion
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love a good troll.
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this troll has stirred up some issues. heres some regs we should be aware of
1. all snagged fish must be released. ie hook is not in mouth
2. waste your fish. you must return any fish to the water gently and quickly if fish is not edible. ie zombie chum or boot springs.
3. must not release the fish in a harmful manner. ie using your boot to kick back in or throwing the fish back in.
I had a co-worker who did number 3. kicked the fish back in the water and CO's were watching and gave him fine and court date. he was lucky they did not take his gear. :(
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to troll or not to troll...that is thy question. whether it is better to have a life... or seek attention from strangers online. or go hither into the world and experience all its wonderfulness...
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While the entire Fraser River is lined with people armed with bouncing betties targetting Sockeye.. Do you think it's a realistic goal to get all of these people to stop snagging? I think we should let them keep their non-mouth snagged fish and get off the water so they don't stand there damaging more and more fish all day just to take 2 out of 10 that are hooked in the mouth.
I give you 4/10 for the Topic Change(TC)/Hijack attempt.
Believe it or not, a successful thread jacker will posses sufficient knowledge and skills on the art of trolling. What you, Mr JonFiveHill failed to do was several things.
1)Monitor thread activity. Who is posting, the amount of posts per hour, and how the discussion is going (Ex. Is it heated? Relaxed? Full of trolls?) This is important as a heated discussion among more than 2 persons has a higher probability of the TC to get a foothold.
2) Take note of what threads you have authored in the past. Did it get good feedback? Were you attempting to troll? Was there any notable individuals providing you with resistance?
3)Wording is everything. The above paragraph was worded poorly. A good TC will be one sentence or less, and directed at an individual to engage him/her in a emotional rebuttal. This is where you hope more people jump in to defend what's morally right.
There is a lot more to it, though its far too situation specific for me to cover this in detail. Hope this helps.
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Those that only hook 2 out of 10 socks in the mouth need to quit fishing. 90% of our socks were hooked in the mouth, the 10% was long line released, learn to floss instead of ripping at the end of the drift.
While the entire Fraser River is lined with people armed with bouncing betties targetting Sockeye.. Do you think it's a realistic goal to get all of these people to stop snagging? I think we should let them keep their non-mouth snagged fish and get off the water so they don't stand there damaging more and more fish all day just to take 2 out of 10 that are hooked in the mouth.
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I think we should let them keep their non-mouth snagged fish and get off the water so they don't stand there damaging more and more fish all day just to take 2 out of 10 that are hooked in the mouth.
From my first year experience bottom bouncing for sockeye (and it was at PegLeg) I didn't see very many non-mouth snagged actually, way worse at Squamish, almost all were flossed "within regulations". Nonetheless, people stuck around and made a day off it. I personally didn't see the point but I'd say about half did.
You'd have to have leader length restrictions to accomplish anything close to a goal of harm reduction. Legalizing snagging would be a very slippery slope, I'd hate to see the techniques someone would likely come up with once it was allowed.
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the 10% was long line released
What is this long line release you speak of? Have had a couple chum foul hooked recently while fishing spinners and spoons, if there's a way to get them off the hook without tiring them out in I would love to know it.
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I was fishing beside a guy today and he foul hooked a coho so I gave him a hand with tailing it in the water and he was really questioning me on whether I was sure it was wild. I told him over and over that not only is it wild but its foul hooked and his response was that if it was hatchery he has earned the right to keep it even if it was foul hooked. All I could say to him was that it all boils down to whether or not he had and ethics or morals. He looked and said , I guess your right.
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burp
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Can we get this stupid post removed?
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I was fishing beside a guy today and he foul hooked a coho so I gave him a hand with tailing it in the water and he was really questioning me on whether I was sure it was wild. I told him over and over that not only is it wild but its foul hooked and his response was that if it was hatchery he has earned the right to keep it even if it was foul hooked. All I could say to him was that it all boils down to whether or not he had and ethics or morals. He looked and said , I guess your right.
people like this make me want to head butt them in the face then break their rod ::)
This guy obviously knows the difference and the regulations and yet still doesn't give a cra* and would have kept that fish if no one was there to say anything >:( >:(
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Can we get this stupid post removed?
Who is forcing you to read it?
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It is illegal. Morality has nothing to do with it. Troll it may be, but it has brought some attention to this issue. We have to be the stewards on our rivers as there will be no one else.
People wanted the massive returns of salmon and gave no thought to what would happen. There have been photos of this crap in the U.S. for years.
Sqeeky wheel gets the grease. Phone the RAPP line,Local CO and RCMP, every time you see this happening. Sooner or later they will get the message and due some thing about it.
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Back on topic in this thread. OP's fine, imo start using dynamite it'll save you time, it scatters bits everywhere, and send your retriever to pick up the fillets.