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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: lightsorcerer on October 24, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
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Always thought it a good idea to have one's fishing license VISUALLY displayed on the backside of one's collar.
Tidal a certain colour
Tidal Salmon certain colour
Non Tidal certain colour
Non Tidal Salmon certain colour
And so on...
Just a thought
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I think it's a good idea, I think that licenses should visable at all times, whether its taped to the lid of your box or in a sleeve around your neck like a work ID badge. Something like http://www.oppictures.com/singleimages/240/18874.JPG that has to be visible at all times.
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i just take a picture of both licenses on my cell phone. my cell is always with me on the flow.
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i just take a picture of both licenses on my cell phone. my cell is always with me on the flow.
I don't think that will fly.
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I don't think that will fly.
It won't they aren't valid if its a photocopy.
Just do it online and print two, one in the car one in the box and if you have to an extra on person, and put it in a water proof bag or like i suggested a id card holder and it with a small lariat and just hang it off the neck.
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I've seen this in some pictures and on New Fly Fisher when they were steelheading back east. The license was on the back of a hat or on the arm.
My dream would be a online course with exam, like the boating license. So there is no excuse for poor fish id and handling. Poachers will poach but there's no way a sporty can say, "I didn't know".
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I've seen this in some pictures and on New Fly Fisher when they were steelheading back east. The license was on the back of a hat or on the arm.
My dream would be a online course with exam, like the boating license. So there is no excuse for poor fish id and handling. Poachers will poach but there's no way a sporty can say, "I didn't know".
Yes, it shouldn't be that hard to implement, i mean they are taking money hand over fist our of steelhead restocking programs anyway, put that money into forcing a 1 day course + exam, and you get a license at a discount or something for an annual then have the course cost x amount of money.
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In California where I grew up, the fisherman has to wear fishing license in a clear bag on the outside of our jackets with a pin.
By the way, I caught many coho with that 4" JW Young. Great reel and light... I am using that more than my milner now. If you have one with open face (not full cage), let me know :) I lost your number... otherwise I will txt you some photos that you were asking me to do.
Always thought it a good idea to have one's fishing license VISUALLY displayed on the backside of one's collar.
Tidal a certain colour
Tidal Salmon certain colour
Non Tidal certain colour
Non Tidal Salmon certain colour
And so on...
Just a thought
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when I fished in California a few years back I like that and thought we needed it here. I think for a buck or 2 you could buy a clear water proof plastic sleeve and hang it on your vest etc.
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I do not support taking courses to fish or wearing licences. The boaters exam is yet another example of a poorly crafted government boondoggle why create another. Every one needs a drivers licence and yet a large percentage of people still break the rules on a regular basis. No one makes you wear your drivers licence, boating card or the like.
Once again for those that do not carry a full size copy of their licence it is not permitted yet. If the CO feels free to ticket you they are well within there rights. See the response below
We went to the standard size as then no one needed to buy special paper, most people have it in their printers already. The CO Service was involved in the development of the online licence, hence the QR code for quick scanning. If the size of the licence is changed it renders this code unreadable and leaves the CO without the ability to determine legitimacy.
The other issue with having a printed copy in an angler’s possession is pretty clear in the Wildlife Act, Section 12: A person commits an offence if a person angles in the non-tidal waters of British Columbia unless the person is (a) the holder of an angling licence…” and having something on a their phone doesn’t take the place of the printed licence nor as you stated does it allow for completion of the retention records. There should be consistency on this, and no the rules don’t change for non-retention. At some point we may change the Act and also the online system to allow for electronic completion of retentions – but we aren’t there yet.
Pat Twaddle
Application Administrator, Fish, Wildlife & Habitat Management Branch
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It won't they aren't valid if its a photocopy.
Just do it online and print two, one in the car one in the box and if you have to an extra on person, and put it in a water proof bag or like i suggested a id card holder and it with a small lariat and just hang it off the neck.
No it wont as of right now. . . but how silly is that lets save some paper DFO there should be a digital version.
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whatever. One reason we have so many problems with angler behaviour is there is no consensus among anglers what to do about it.
Every vehicle on public road has to display a license. Every dog has to wear one. I could go on with other examples. Displaying a license simply addresses the problem of people who goes fishing but won't buying a license not will licensed anglers adhere to regulations.
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It won't they aren't valid if its a photocopy.
Just do it online and print two, one in the car one in the box and if you have to an extra on person, and put it in a water proof bag or like i suggested a id card holder and it with a small lariat and just hang it off the neck.
I don't know nearly as much as you but I have been checked by a CO and a DFO at separate times and they both accepted my iPad and iPhone licence.
I print my tidal on the back of my non and try to carry a copy in the boat and the car.
As far as displaying licences goes, I am totally against it and I am not convinced it would be legal, privacy issues and all. I also don't think there is a serious problem with non-licenced anglers that would make it necessary for everyone to walk around looking like tourists in a cheap all inclusive. If someone wanted to avoid buying a licence it would take about 5'minutes to photoshop one.
BTW, I have seen many of the online experts state that photocopies or smaller prints aren't valid but I wonder how anyone would know if it was copied or printed? And the instructions say to print the licence at "full size" which doesn't mean anything, if I have a business card printer full size is 1.5 x 3 and if I have a large format printer it could be 14 x 20, the QR code reads the same at all sizes.
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As far as displaying licences goes, I am totally against it and I am not convinced it would be legal, privacy issues and all. I also don't think there is a serious problem with non-licenced anglers that would make it necessary for everyone to walk around looking like tourists in a cheap all inclusive. If someone wanted to avoid buying a licence it would take about 5'minutes to photoshop one.
I concur. Don't see any real advantage walking around looking like a bunch of tourisst plus you're liable to lose it walking through the bush.
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there would be no privacy issues. As someone noted the licenses would be colour coded. The only visible info would be the license number and license year. Privacy issues could only arise when personal info is visible. If if it was visible another person would have to get quite close to read it.
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I don't want to put the elephant on the table here and start trouble but I have called the CO's now a total of 3 times. Not once have they attended or made it to the spot before the people left.
This isn't a knock against the CO's. I think with budget cuts its nearly impossible to be everywhere every time. One time I called for people poaching crab in Horseshoe bay the CO was in Squamish... By the time he made it down they were probably cooking the crabs.
I am not trying to start an argument but I don't think having a color system where people wear licenses is going to help things. At the very least it will show other fisherman who is or isn't with a license. BUT... you then need a CO to attend and they are spread so thin..... So whats the end result. People will self police something that could lead to other issues.
I am not interested in confronting someone alongside a river or even a logging road for that matter because they have no license.
Nothing good could come from this.
I think the solution is stiffer penalties....Hit them hard.. if you have a violation... then hit them hard. Imagine if taking a wild coho had a fine of $50,000.. or keeping a undersized crab was 25k per crab... I guarantee you people wouldn't chance it.
That's my 2 cents..
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No it wont as of right now. . . but how silly is that lets save some paper DFO there should be a digital version.
Yes, I agree. Digital Copies do work I think. I usually have a printed copy. Thats what that QR code is for.
I don't know nearly as much as you but I have been checked by a CO and a DFO at separate times and they both accepted my iPad and iPhone licence.
I print my tidal on the back of my non and try to carry a copy in the boat and the car.
As far as displaying licences goes, I am totally against it and I am not convinced it would be legal, privacy issues and all. I also don't think there is a serious problem with non-licenced anglers that would make it necessary for everyone to walk around looking like tourists in a cheap all inclusive. If someone wanted to avoid buying a licence it would take about 5'minutes to photoshop one.
BTW, I have seen many of the online experts state that photocopies or smaller prints aren't valid but I wonder how anyone would know if it was copied or printed? And the instructions say to print the licence at "full size" which doesn't mean anything, if I have a business card printer full size is 1.5 x 3 and if I have a large format printer it could be 14 x 20, the QR code reads the same at all sizes.
I am more referring to the the written licenses you'd be surprised how many people still get written ones from in the tackle shops, a few now just do it online and they give you a card with your angler number on it. I know Sea Run does, its all digital but places like Wal mart, and Army and Navy I got the old written one. I don't know if still do it but one time I had forgotten mine at home, had to drive back and bought a day one. >:( Good thing Walmart was open at 7am.
Full size paper is 8.27 × 11.7 which is letter size. It has to be legible and easy to read, if its printed smaller than intended it can screw up the QR code, or some printers are just to be honest print like crap and might smudge or a whole other host of issues I can't think of.
Also I was doing some reading this morning and found this in the FAQs
11 - How can I obtain a licence if I don't have a printer or my printer doesn't work?
The Freshwater Fishing E-Licensing System allows you to reprint your e-licence yourself at no charge. If you don’t have a printer, or if your printer doesn’t work, you won’t be able to print the licence on your own computer but you can reprint it later on any other computer that is connected to a printer. Most public libraries have computers with printers.
You can also use a Community Access Terminal (CAT) at no charge at any Service BC Centre, or ask the Service BC agent to reprint the licence for you for a fee.
Note that you will need your Angler Number to reprint your licence.
No where in the FAQ does it say we can use a digital copy not that I would risk bringing a 600 dollar device with me on a walk and wade anyway.
Not sure why people have such issue with displaying their license anyway, your information is exposed everyday all day. Your smart phones, iphone has a visa/master card READER now that you can buy at staples for $20, I use it for fundraisers.
Then there is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vc-69M-UWk (definitely worth a watch) Heck I am positive you can get all you need from just a drivers license plate. Almost positive if you looked hard enough on the internet there is a way.
I mean if thieves have found a way to swipe your back pocket with a device (not a smart phone) because of the new pay pass system, you don't need to enter a pin.
As easy as it is to steal that info, its even easier to protect yourself.
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i always fish with a backpack on me so the paper copy is put in a plactic ziplock bag in my pack. i took picture of my license just in case i lost my backpack or it fell in the water or whatever. i also have copies in my vehicle. At pegleg this summer during sockeye run 3 co's came by and they only asked to check licences from people who retained fish....maybe 10 people out of a hundered at that moment. nobody else fishing was asked to show license. figure that out.
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They need to make the training more accessible put a better budget in it or something they need to do something aside from money to get more CO's out on the water.
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The license needs to be signed as it is a legal document and not valid till that point.
Hence why digital copies dont work.
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The license needs to be signed as it is a legal document and not valid till that point.
Hence why digital copies dont work.
Again, I have been checked by CO's and DFO and had no problem. It is pretty easy to have a signed licence on my iPad. And the comments about the QR code are funny because small ones and big ones all scan (as if fish cops have scanned codes) just fine.
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Again, I have been checked by CO's and DFO and had no problem. It is pretty easy to have a signed licence on my iPad. And the comments about the QR code are funny because small ones and big ones all scan (as if fish cops have scanned codes) just fine.
Two problems, I tried it today and one didn't scan and the other did, maybe its the software I don't know. But I used https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/qr-code-reader-and-scanner/id388175979?mt=8
Secondly I think the CO's are clearly not doing their job or rather their due diligence. Which is biggest part of the problem. It should be signed, its just like a visa if its not signed, its not valid, hell technically its not even yours.
I don't see the big deal just follow the rules, sign your stuff people (not to anyone specific) use a paper copy print an extra for the car.
It's not worth the money.
(3) On conviction for contravention of section 13 (1), (2) or (5), the penalty is a fine of not less than $500 and not more than $10 000.
(4) On conviction for contravention of a provision of this Part other than section 13 (1), (2) or (5), the penalty is a fine of not less than $100 and not more than $2 000.
(19) If the licence held by any licensee has been revoked, or if it is shown to the satisfaction of the minister that a licensee has violated any provision of this Part or the regulations or a condition of a licence or has conducted the business of the licensee's establishment in contravention of the spirit and intent of this Part, the minister may, in addition to all other penalties to which the licensee may be liable, refuse after that to issue a licence under this Act to that licensee or to any person for the establishment of that licensee.
Plus the lost gear and if you're unfortunate the impound fees on top of everything else if they decide to take your car, I found this out from asking CO's and the DFO, been trying to do volunteer work because I've been interested in doing this for a career but the process is slow.
The above copy and pastes are found at http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/00_96149_01#section13
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Secondly I think you are playing with fire and these CO's are clearly not doing their job. Which is biggest part of the problem. It should be signed, its just like a visa if its not signed, its not valid, hell technically its not even yours.
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So I show that I have a valid licence and you think they are not doing their job because you, an Internet expert, thinks that you don't like the form that I used to prove that I purchased a valid licence? What do you think their job is? I proved that I bought a licence, they acknowledged that I hold a valid licence now you, an Internet expert, tells that my licence isn't any good and they should waste everybody's time by charging me with, what? Maybe everybody would be better off if the fish cops went on to the next guy?
You offer an opnion on whose licence it is and I am wondering what qualifies you to offer this opinion? And the licence on my iPad is signed.
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Secondly I think you are playing with fire and these CO's are clearly not doing their job. Which is biggest part of the problem. It should be signed, its just like a visa if its not signed, its not valid, hell technically its not even yours.
So I show that I have a valid licence and you think they are not doing their job because you, an Internet expert, thinks that you don't like the form that I used to prove that I purchased a valid licence? What do you think their job is? I proved that I bought a licence, they acknowledged that I hold a valid licence now you, an Internet expert, tells that my licence isn't any good and they should waste everybody's time by charging me with, what? Maybe everybody would be better off if the fish cops went on to the next guy?
You offer an opnion on whose licence it is and I am wondering what qualifies you to offer this opinion? And the licence on my iPad is signed.
An internet expert? Really? That's the best you can do? I never claimed to be, but there are phone numbers to inquiry about such things. Those people tend to direct you to websites to get further information.
My opinion is just that an opinion, no less than yours and no greater.
So glad you bothers to skim over what you wanted to read.
I merely stated what I found out, I'm sorry I follow the rules for something I am passionate about doing. If you don't like it. I don't know what to tell you.
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There is plenty of information out there regarding fish identification and regulations.
Those that are fishing unethically will do so no matter what.
Information has been printed and distributed in multiple languages.
When I first started Salmon fishing in the Ocean I wasn't 100% sure how to identify all the Salmon species.
On the regulations booklet was a photo of each one and I would reference that information when needed.
Its really not that difficult.
We need more ticket writers out there and you wont believe how fast some will learn how to do things right.
Its time to get more enforcement and with only a few C.O.s out there maybe they could do a program that what deputise some individuals to do the job.
Im ashamed of what is called sport fishing nowadays.
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There is plenty of information out there regarding fish identification and regulations.
Those that are fishing unethically will do so no matter what.
Information has been printed and distributed in multiple languages.
When I first started Salmon fishing in the Ocean I wasn't 100% sure how to identify all the Salmon species.
On the regulations booklet was a photo of each one and I would reference that information when needed.
Its really not that difficult.
We need more ticket writers out there and you wont believe how fast some will learn how to do things right.
Its time to get more enforcement and with only a few C.O.s out there maybe they could do a program that what deputise some individuals to do the job.
Im ashamed of what is called sport fishing nowadays.
This is what I am trying to do, but the process is kinda slow. I need to volunteer more as its looked positively upon according to what I have read, I tried to volunteer with the fish hatcheries but when I googled some out of in the tri cities (port moody/coquitlam specifically) I didn't get anything as direct as I like. I drove up to the coquitlam hatchery a few weeks back and no luck its just gated off and I didn't see any way in to an office.
Frustrating.
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My opinion is just that an opinion, no less than yours and no greater.
I merely stated what I found out, I'm sorry I follow the rules for something I am passionate about doing. If you don't like it. I don't know what to tell you.
You stated that the CO's were clearly not doing their jobs. That is not an opinion as you claim it is a statement. So what is your background to provide this proof of the CO's "clearly not doing their job"? They checked for species, they checked for quota and they checked for licensing and you are accusing them, from your position as the Internet expert,of what, dereliction of duty?
Where did you find out that the piece of paper that came off my printer and laying on my counter isn't mine? It was mine when I paid for it, it was mine before I printed it and now it isn't mine?
Just because you have a passion for fishing doesn't mean you can make statements that are false and go unchallenged.
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Not sure why this is so hard for you. And again you're reading what you want. I said I was passionate not just about fishing. Infact I never said anything about fishing itself.
Everything is taken into a context of opinion. Never said this is fact in actual fact. The fact I believe they didn't do their job vs their due diligence which I went back and corrected in an Edit, which you chose not to read. Is your fault not mine.
I am not interested in debating some kind of argue for the sake of arguing. Or straw man arguments of "this is what happened so this is how it is" or letting it degrade further by the childish "internet expert". Might as well just go a head and say "My dad can beat up your dad!" Holds the same levitity.
I said my peace.
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I tried to volunteer with the fish hatcheries but when I googled some out of in the tri cities (port moody/coquitlam specifically) I didn't get anything as direct as I like.
Try the Seymour Salmonid Society, takes less than five minutes to fill out their online volunteer form and you will be on their volunteer list and receiving emails in just a few days.
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Try the Seymour Salmonid Society, takes less than five minutes to fill out their online volunteer form and you will be on their volunteer list and receiving emails in just a few days.
I've never heard of them so... Thank You! I would have never have looked.
That and I think when I sat down and tried to look for information I simply just googled "hatcheries" and called it a day after trying to email around. But I just signed up and all I can do is wait.
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Try the Seymour Salmonid Society, takes less than five minutes to fill out their online volunteer form and you will be on their volunteer list and receiving emails in just a few days.
X2. Best way to get some hatchery experience. Also might want to check out your local streamkeepers as many of them run a small community hatchery in their respective municipalities.
Might also think about getting some enforcement experience - bylaw, park ranger, etc. as both the province and the Feds require at least 2 years experience in some type of law enforcement along with related education.
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X2. Best way to get some hatchery experience. Also might want to check out your local streamkeepers as many of them run a small community hatchery in their respective municipalities.
Might also think about getting some enforcement experience - bylaw, park ranger, etc. as both the province and the Feds require at least 2 years experience in some type of law enforcement along with related education.
Yeah, I've been looking into that, for park ranger is a bit harder then I thought pretty much most of the above requires a background or a BA my friend who is trying to become an RCMP officer, is currently working as a volunteer for local community stations. And he was told criminology which is obviously but it doesn't have as much weight as say having a degree in psychology, so hes doing forensic psychology if i recall and trying to put in ours at colony farms. I am not 100% on that I haven't talked to him in awhile, we used to work together.
Anyway point I is, from what I have read DFO, Park Rangers/Wardens, they all seem to want to have that similar higher education. Or this is my understanding from what I saw on the gov websites, so I am hoping by doing some part time volunteering and finding my way in without the extensive schooling I expect some formal training eventually but in the mean time...it may be a longer path but more hands on I suppose? If that makes sense.
My current job allows for some flexibility so I am taking courses on my own like Advanced Wilderness and Remote First Aid Course and retaking my firearms safety courses. Possibly try to get some Guiding classes in to since that includes a lot of regulations and rules that will be required as a CO anyway I am sure and... more fun I hope haha.
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Along the lines of the origin of this thread.How about a poll on the issue.I for one would like to see this.Grass-roots evidence and all that.
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I have carried my licenses around my neck for over fifty years, never become entangled in trees and died, never had anyone come up and steal my personal information from it. I have had a lot of C.O.s like how quickly I was able to produce it when asked.
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I am more referring to the the written licenses you'd be surprised how many people still get written ones from in the tackle shops, a few now just do it online and they give you a card with your angler number on it. I know Sea Run does, its all digital but places like Wal mart, and Army and Navy I got the old written one.
All tackle shops are now fully digital. Both Provincial and Federal no longer give us a choice of issuing hand written licenses.
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I would have to agree with those who state the lake of enforcement is the main problem. I do not think wearing a coloured licence will make a difference if there are no CO's. You can easily fake one or print multiple copies of your buddies licence. I fish a lot and have been checked once in the last 10 years. Before that I would be checked in the most remote places one could imagine. I have never been checked for an boat operators card.
I can never see any level of government requiring courses in regards to fishing as there are no safety issue here like as with boating. As for incredibly high fines governments need to keep things in perspective. The court will not support fines that are out of touch with the gravity of the offence. You would not fine someone thousands of dollars for keeping the wrong species of fish and give a much smaller fine for offences that are dangerous like speeding or texting while driving.
As for the digital copy the responce I got was from the CO's office it was their administrator who said the licence can not be read if not printed. Go argue with him. It does say you must print your licence on standard paper. They should add their policy on digital copies as even he admitted it comes up regularly. I am not familiar with the policy of the DFO.
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You would not fine someone thousands of dollars for keeping the wrong species of fish and give a much smaller fine for offences that are dangerous like speeding or texting while driving.
Go to Arizona and kill an Apache trout, the fine from the tribe and the state will make your eyes water and your rectum pucker up. ;D
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You would not fine someone thousands of dollars for keeping the wrong species of fish and give a much smaller fine for offences that are dangerous like speeding or texting while driving.
Go to Arizona and kill an Apache trout, the fine from the tribe and the state will make your eyes water and your rectum pucker up. ;D
I would fine and throw the book at them! Or Two! :o