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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: DragonSpeed on October 22, 2014, 10:13:23 AM
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Shooting at Ottawa National Memorial, Parliament and Rideau Centre
Multiple Shooters.
Sad day.
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I'm curious to know the intent behind it, they keep calling it a terrorist attack. I have a feeling it's everyday Canadians who lost it. Doesn't really seem like the typical terrorist MO.
But agreed sad, sad day.
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True. Very sad day.
The below was in the news yesterday .
Home » News » National
Canada raises domestic terrorism threat level
10/21/2014 06:25 PM Toronto Staff
Canada has raised its domestic terrorism threat level.
In a statement released Tuesday Jason Tamming, a spokesman for the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency, said the decision to raise the level was “linked to an increase in general chatter from radical Islamist organizations like ISIL, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab and others who pose a clear threat to Canadians.”
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I'm curious to know the intent behind it, they keep calling it a terrorist attack. I have a feeling it's everyday Canadians who lost it. Doesn't really seem like the typical terrorist MO.
But agreed sad, sad day.
It's important to note that the guy who ran down the two soldiers in his car on Monday had clear motives when you looked at his Facebook page (Which I can no longer locate). All signs pointed towards being an IS Sympathizer.
However, any media outlets claiming this shooting to be a terrorist attack needs to relax, and await further information coming down from higher ups. As of right now the who and why is questioned. Until such is determined it is not called terror attack, however likely it may be.
The biggest thing I can not stress enough is stay vigilant. If you see suspicious activity, likely with a weapon, call 911 immediately. Do not over react, 99% of those in support of Islam are still nice, friendly, harmless people. We just hope the public stays educated enough to not retaliate on those citizens.
This affects us all.
Stay frosty.
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I'm curious to know the intent behind it, they keep calling it a terrorist attack. I have a feeling it's everyday Canadians who lost it. Doesn't really seem like the typical terrorist MO.
But agreed sad, sad day.
Waaaaaaaay too early to be calling it a terrorist attack. Typical media reaction. Sensationalism. My dad was a WW 2 vet. It bothers me when I hear a Canadian soldier was killed in line of duty. RIP Cpl. Nathan Cirillo
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Turns out
a) single shooter
b) Parliament and War Memorial
c) Recent Muslim Convert....
I think we MIGHT be able to start using the "T" word. That's two in 3 days. :(
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also his passport was taken from him, this is a big T.
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Can some one explain the glass of wine ?
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I have a very strong opinion about this but I just have to say its a sad day for the fallen soldier.
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I'm curious to know the intent behind it, they keep calling it a terrorist attack. I have a feeling it's everyday Canadians who lost it. Doesn't really seem like the typical terrorist MO.
But agreed sad, sad day.
what is a typical terrorist MO?
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what is a typical terrorist MO?
Bombing, attacks on a large group of people, etc.
Not shooting one guy, then heading to a second location to do a second attack. It's usally focused on one target, and that target is often a large group. Yes 911 had two targets, but that was a huge planned thing involving 20+ people.
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In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition.[1][2] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians). Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war.
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Bombing, attacks on a large group of people, etc.
Not shooting one guy, then heading to a second location to do a second attack. It's usally focused on one target, and that target is often a large group. Yes 911 had two targets, but that was a huge planned thing involving 20+ people.
I was talking to my father about this. He's in the American Military. And was in the Pentagon when the third plan hit it. There was a total of Four plans.
He has served in the air force for nearly most of his life, he said if this was a terrorist attack, what happened tonight would be considered a soft target (anything that can't defend itself)
Wednesdays are busy on the Hill, traditionally its busiest day, when the House of Commons does not sit and political parties hold caucus meetings with their members of Parliament and Senators. Each major party meets in its own room in Centre Block.
Basically you have our entire government in one place at one time. Imagine if it had actually escalated, we have no B team. Our government is done.
Much like chamber of the Senate , which is kind of a scary thought.
Now this is what GRINDS MY GEARS.
I refuse to allow terrorists to scare me. That's their goal so screw 'em, they don't win over me.
The media has been trying to scare us for a long time with cholesterol, sodium, AIDS, SARS, wars, GMOs, ebola, evil gun advocates, school shootings and so on.
I barely batted an eyelash when I heard the news. Don't get me wrong a person died today and another injured. This is what they have done to me, I have been completely desensitized to tragedy.
Nothing short of 9/11 pt. 2 will get any real reaction out of me because thousands die, starve and are killed every day. We don't care until it's on our turf, the "not in my house" mentality.
Now the West coast libtards are loving the opportunity to crap on Harper for this too, as typical blog-educated are wont to do.
"If Harper wasn't in charge, *insert why the world would be perfect here*"
Nothing like unprovable speculation, in the face of a tragedy, to try to convince people your political affiliation is the correct one.
Kinda went off there.
In conclusion: @#% ISIS, the media, social media and these keyboard cowboy political pundits.
Don't get me wrong I am not a fan of Harper, lol. But I see Americans do the same thing with Obama.
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FrayedKnot speaks the truth.
The only thing left up in the air is how Canada reacts to it. Whatever that may be, I hope it's not a knee jerk reaction.
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It's likely both recent incidents fit the rather loose definition(s) used for terrorist actions. Both also fit a pattern for lone wolf copy cat crimes for young men with mental health challenges that influenced their conversion to a violent political cause. On the face of it it looks like they acted alone. It's to the Conservative Party advantage to see these acts perceived as terrorist acts since people become cautious and protective in such circumstances and more hesitant to make changes in government. Harper's big challenge is avoid blame - how could these have happened if they were competently monitoring the situation but exploit the public's desire for security.
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Astounded when I heard that the Monument guards, yes armed but weapons unloaded. Ammunition not issued. I wonder if the guards saw it coming, the suspect approaching them with a shotgun? Unable to defend themselves and thus the suspect carries out his brazen act and continues to the Hill.
Canadian system too passive,conservative,I think so.
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Astounded when I heard that the Monument guards, yes armed but weapons unloaded. Ammunition not issued. I wonder if the guards saw it coming, the suspect approaching them with a shotgun? Unable to defend themselves and thus the suspect carries out his brazen act and continues to the Hill.
Canadian system too passive,conservative,I think so.
You are not issued ammunition for Honour Guard.
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I understand that!!! So if otherwise could this travesty been unavoided? My point.
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Don't think of it as a random attack. When the government starts beating the drums of war such things are bound to happen. When they need public support behind their actions they will use any means available to get that support. I'd suggest that like in the case with 911 you need to look at the power structures conflict prior to the event, their motives and their further actions. In my opinion it's all designed to provide an outcome that's so much greater in scale than the original event that (depending on how this situation evolves) the event being a random attack is highly improbable.
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Don't think of it as a random attack. When the government starts beating the drums of war such things are bound to happen.
Essentially Canada has declared war against the Islamic State however both attackers this week were reportedly Canadian citizens. We know what that makes them. It's a little late to argue the merits of Canada taking part in the US war on IS. Much of the mess is due both to previous US mishandling of affairs in the Middle East and indirectly to some of their allies in the regions.
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Not buying the 'little too late' excuse. It's not too late to declare neutrality. Canada should rebuild its reputation as a peace keeping nation, IMO.
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As Canada is both a member of NATO and NORAD a declaration of neutrality would be a non-sequitur. Withdrawing from those organizations would likely involve much higher risks in our long term relationships with the US which we can neither afford or win. A declaration of neutrality both denies reality and is a lose lose situation.
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By these merits the whole world has no choice. Canada has no choice, USA has no choice, UK has no choice, China, India, Russia, whatever, have no choice but to come together in one last fight. Great!
There'll be plenty of fish after that but no one to fish it.
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By these merits the whole world has no choice. Canada has no choice, USA has no choice, UK has no choice, China, India, Russia, whatever, have no choice but to come together in one last fight. Great!
There'll be plenty of fish after that but no one to fish it.
Albert Einstein " I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but world War IV will be fought with sticks and stones "
If you really want to screw that Tin Foil hat on extra tight, the same time Harper declared war on ISIS after they instigated. (they being ISIS)
Its rather fascinating that we suddenly have minor outbreaks of Ebola. Which started in Africa (mostly eastern Africa), which is where Al-Qa’ida, Al-Shabaab, ISIS and so on. For the record, we aren't immunized for smallpox anymore because it was "wiped out". Also immunization is no longer available to the public according to CDC FAQ.
But it's basically on ice in Russia and USA as far as I know and I think Germany has a CDC as well?
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By these merits the whole world has no choice. Canada has no choice, USA has no choice, UK has no choice, China, India, Russia, ...
Canada had a choice which was not to participate much as it declined to participate in the post 911 invasion of Iraq and declined to participate in Vietnam in the 60s (Australia, New Zealand and other allied states had combat troops there). Even if Harper now decided to pull out of the commitment to bomb IS, I doubt that would prevent the violence and security issues of the sort we have seen this week. My remarks about Canadian neutrality were specific about Canada and the US and what is unique about the relationship and the history of the 2 countries.
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I understand that RalphH, but times change and so should the rules of engagement. After all, any time progress is made some of the older rules get broken.
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What we are experienced this past week hopefully will not happen again.
Last thing we need is for this type of crime to become common place.
Agree that 99% of Muslim faith followers are harmless & get along in N American society nevertheless it's the hard liners that interrupt the Koran that become radical.
They want to rule the world "at any cost".
Our way or the highway or "we cut your head off".
Many ex Isis left because they could not deal with the everyday violence done to captives.
Be headings,rapes,crucifixions,torture,buried alive on & on...
The books of the Muslim faith does justify killing non believers.
Christians & Jews are top of the list to be killed & atheist as well.
Convert or die.
But the whole Middle East is full of Muslim countries fighting each other or within ( civil war )
Any religion that kills people is not love. The God I want to follow has to be loving & forgiving.
Remember the English soldier who got his head cut off in Britain 2 years ago.
Plus an American Muslim soldier went on a rampage & shot a lot of fellow soldiers in the USA.
Plus Muslim terror group from Pakistan about 5-6 in number took over a major hotel in south west India. So many were murdered.
If you want to see a good debate on You Tube " Dave Hunt vs Shabir Ally"
Actually this is why a lot of the American people arm themselves.
Terror groups & high crime in their city.
I share my faith with Muslims all the time & find them to be friendly & never has it become a heated argument. But this is Canada. A Christian lady is on death row in Pakistan because of her faith.
Christian Iranian pastor in prison because of his faith.
Share your faith in Saudi Arabia & it's a death sentence.
Thank God for democratic countries where you can believe or not believe in "what ever".
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Religions have caused the deaths of millions in the name of their respective Gods.
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Religions have caused the deaths of millions in the name of their respective Gods.
Totally agree.
So many crazy religious people claiming they have found the secret truth.
Cults throughout history have fooled billions & have murdered millions.
Word has it military agents dressed up as Russian orthodox priests & were seen praying for the rebels in eastern Ukraine.
Taliban going around shooting girls who want an education.
Suicide bombers blowing themselves up killing x number of people thinking they are doing "god's will." Plus they are told they will go straight to heaven & have 75 or so virgins thus an orgy awaits them. Fools being fooled.
But there have been millions & millions killed throughout history just because of political wars & wanting to have world domination.
N Korea possibly has the nukes & rockets to destroy large cities.
Just think if Japan or Germany invented the nuke bomb before the USA.
Basically the free world would of been defeated & the Germans & Japanese would of won WW 2.
Knowing human nature the Japanese & Germans would go to war to see who would be the "king of the castle"
Truly we are living in a very very dangerous time of history because there are just too many countries that have nukes & many are in very unstable countries.
Politics & false religions & cults have killed millions & millions & sadly will kill more millions.
Gee one family moved to the Falkland Islands thinking it would be a safe place to live.
Next thing England sent their navy to defend it from Argentina ( they claimed the island or islands belonged to them )
People can believe what they want or do not want but when people decide to cause harm to peaceful others then that is wrong ( politics or religion )
Have your say but " agree to disagree " without killing people.
Too many stupid idiots going around killing others because they do not believe like they do.
Enjoy your fishing & raise your families & get along with each other here in Canada & every free democratic country.
Thank God Isis does not have nukes.
Organized evil people can cause a lot of trouble.
9-11.
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Bruce MacKinnon's Editorial
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Yeah, I saw that too Clarkii, I posted on my facebook today...
THE FEELS.