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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flytech on October 15, 2014, 04:21:44 PM
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This morning I stopped to get a work out on my arms with some chum. I had my trusty Salmon setup ready to go with a float, weight, 30" leader, and a tied jig. There was a total of 4 guys on the run when I got there, I stepped in to the middle wide opening and started casting. 3 casts in caught a beauty doe chum, brought her in and let her go while keeping her in the water.
Two more older (60 something) gentlemen showed up and went on either side of me. Everyone in the run except me was using wool, the two newest guys without floats. I was catching fish after fish after fish. No one else seemed to catch anything except for two snagged and lost fish.
I lost my float on a big male, and decided to pack it in. As I turned around I noticed the two gentlemen rigging up their rods again after losing some tackle. I asked them where their floats were (with a friendly chuckle), and they said they had some but weren't using them. They asked how I was doing so well. I started to explain my setup with them, showing them the jigs, the float, the leader length.
They didn't have any jigs so I gave each of them one, and I helped them rig up the same setup I had. They were eternally grateful, and one of them, handed me a $20 bill to my protest. As I was rigging up the second guy he also tried to hand me a twenty. They were saying that my information and jigs had to be worth it. I poltitely declined the second $20 after accepting the first one (wanted to replace my jigs). The first gentlemen I setup had a fish within 3 casts, but one of his knots came loose!
Soon another gentlemen had come over and was happy I was showing these people a good setup. He too was using wool, but at least he was short floating it. He asked what the secret was and I showed him the jigs I was using, He said his son had told him about them, but he had never picked them up.
So I wished everyone good luck, and was on my way, As I was about to walk up the path two more gentlemen started asking me questions. I gave them the quick low down that I just told the others. Low and behold one of them had a nice purple jig in his box, and I told him that was the ticket with 24-36" leader at most. They thanked me and I walked away with a smile.
It felt amazing to help educate people who were flossing, snagging, or just not catching fish with wool. I felt like I had done something good today, and I hope they stick to it.
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Excellent post, good on you!
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picture of the jig would be nice [I wondered what I was doing wrong new to the valley still trying to learn its nice to see people sharing there knowledge.
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Great job.
I find that using jigs for chum you don't need more than 12" leader. If you are drag free drifting (which is most effective) they don't care about the weight. Even winter steelhead I don't use more than 18".
More leader is useful for fishing blades.
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picture of the jig would be nice [I wondered what I was doing wrong new to the valley still trying to learn its nice to see people sharing there knowledge.
Perfect Chum jig
(https://www.redrockstore.com/sc_images/products/3106_image.jpg)
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Great job.
I find that using jigs for chum you don't need more than 12" leader. If you are drag free drifting (which is most effective) they don't care about the weight. Even winter steelhead I don't use more than 18".
More leader is useful for fishing blades.
By this, do you mean the pencil lead weight or the weight of the jig?
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picture of the jig would be nice [I wondered what I was doing wrong new to the valley still trying to learn its nice to see people sharing there knowledge.
For chum, anything with purple will catch you fish, sometimes they are picky. Make sure to have a variety of jigs available, pink jigs are nice too. Pink/Purple jigs are staples for fishing chum.
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Pencil lead. The weight of the jig makes the marabou or schlappen dance.
My favorites:
Chum Crack
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Flies2/chum_crack.jpg)
Chum Candy
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Flies2/chum_candy.jpg)
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By this, do you mean the pencil lead weight or the weight of the jig?
I hate pencil lead weight. I use slider weights with beads. It's cleaner and tangles less on casts.
(http://www.henkor.co.za/bass-terminaltackle/images/DANWWSK-1.jpg)
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Pencil lead. The weight of the jig makes the marabou or schlappen dance.
My favorites:
Chum Crack
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Flies2/chum_crack.jpg)
Chum Candy
(http://gallery.flybc.ca/albums/Flies2/chum_candy.jpg)
Those are some good jigs. Do you tie them or buy them?
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I hate pencil lead weight. I use slider weights with beads. It's cleaner and tangles less on casts.
(http://www.henkor.co.za/bass-terminaltackle/images/DANWWSK-1.jpg)
I think I am going to try those weights, or split shots. Do you just slide them through and put a bead in between the weight and the swivel?
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I tie 'em. Schlappen over Marabou for chum. Schlappen over Rabbit for Steelhead.
I also don't use pencil lead - instead I use egg weights in 1/8 or 1/4oz with a bead above the swivel.
(You might notice the reuse of the egg weights on the jigs :))
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I think I am going to try those weights, or split shots. Do you just slide them through and put a bead in between the weight and the swivel?
Bead on either side of the weight. Larger one that fits in the spherical gap, and small one on top.
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Thanks guys, I'll be sure to try that next time. I believe egg weight and the bullet weights are similar but what about split shot? Is it better to use egg and bullet weights because you thread the line through and split shot could potentially damage your line? Which do you suggest and which weight? I hate having to cut pencil lead, these options would be much more convenient.
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3/8 weight for my SST float rod. Split shot are useless to me, hate using them.
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really nice of you Flytech! we need more guys like you on our rivers haha!
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Thank you for playing the role of sports fishing ambassador. I wish more people would take the time like yourself. It feels good and does a lot of good.
Purple over pink or visa versa, is the ticket. Have a chartreuse with pink or purple handy as a change up if it goes quite.
I'm lazy with fishing chum, using a bit of rubber tubing above a swivel so I can stick various lengths of lead in there depending on the weight of my terminal tackle. With a heavy 3/8 jig I can use a shorter piece then when I change to a 1/8 jig or small blade or even a single Jensen egg I can rapidly replace with a longer piece and keep the float at the optimum position.
PS, if you want to try a blade, brass appears to be the best option in a size 3-4.
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Its awesome to have guys like you on the river, its great to have somebody give you a pointer or 2 in a kind way
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Its awesome to have guys like you on the river, its great to have somebody give you a pointer or 2 in a kind way
Thanks
I think we need more people in general willing to help. In life, not just on the river. :)
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Thanks
I think we need more people in general willing to help. In life, not just on the river. :)
Good for you for setting an example of what a fisherman should be like... We need more gentlemen on the river, and a lot more acts of kindness like this.
This is a wonderful sport and more kindness should be shared.
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Hi Guys.
Can anyone recommend a good YouTube video that shows this type of fishing technique.
Going to give it a try at the Cap this monday :)
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Hi Guys.
Can anyone recommend a good YouTube video that shows this type of fishing technique.
Going to give it a try at the Cap this monday :)
Unfortunately there are no good videos at least that I really like without witnessing snaggers or flossing. Though Matt Hayes I hear makes good videos.
I found this while typing this all out, not sure though if its what you are looking for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOQpv7aEWY its mostly underwater but they give a few quick tips in there about the technique. This video after further research isn't to bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRQMO5vhP6o
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Check out Bent Rod 's videos ,lots of info to steer you in the right direction .
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Hi Guys.
Can anyone recommend a good YouTube video that shows this type of fishing technique.
Going to give it a try at the Cap this monday :)
Read Rodney's post on short floating, has pictures of what to do and what not to do. Just switch roe with jigs or spinnerS
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21963.msg206649#msg206649 (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21963.msg206649#msg206649)
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Nice work buddy, good on you
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Thanks for the replys fellas .
Tight lines :D
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Since the co's don't seem to care about all the snagging going on there it's nice
To hear some people take the time to teach some of them the alternatives. I showed one guy last time I was there, this is what it's gonna take.
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Hey guys,
I have found short float fishing with jigs really effective for chum but never really tried it for springs and coho. I would definitely prefer to use roe on cohos in slower water but has anyone success targeting springs and coho using jigs on a short float, especially in faster moving water? Thanks.
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When floating the jig, to twich or not to twitch?? And do you constantly twitch or intermittent??
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When floating the jig, to twich or not to twitch?? And do you constantly twitch or intermittent??
No twitch when floating. Twitching jigs is without s float in slower water.
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No twitch when floating. Twitching jigs is without s float in slower water.
Excellent, thanks!!
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Had an opportunity yesterday morning to do something similar at the mouth of the Adams.To young men who arrived shortly after first light were struggling to cross the fast current at the mouth.I gave them some wading advice.They were happy for the tips.
After an hour of watching me catch and release many trout and not having attracted a single one to either of their presentations one of them begged me to show them what I was using.What followed was a short discourse on leader length,weight, fly lines and technique as well as cast location and drift.Both were experienced fly guys.Just new here.They were profusely grateful for the help.The reward for me came when shortly after the Jason (they were both named Jason) next to me got into two double headers with me while his friend was away to the car to retrieve his switch rod.The second pair of fish were big.I released mine but Jason was still playing his and to my excitement it was the largest rainbow I have seen lately about six pounds.He was quaking with joy as he passed me his phone for a quick pic after I offered to take a shot of the fish.Tragically the fish popped off at his feet.He was still thrilled and was not sure his friend would believe him when he got back
Had to go before the other Jayson returned as I am only allowed to fish three hours a day while work on the cabin continues.It was very rewarding to have helped these two nice young men experience some success though.
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I also did something like this within the last month but I won`t go into the details. I gave someone advice and tackle after watching them fish on a wet rainy day without any rain gear - just an average jacket. Everyone else had left. He told me his wife was waiting the car. They had to go home to the interior that day but he wasn't leaving until either in got dark or he caught a fish. I told him what has worked for me and where the fish were. I thought they deserved to catch a fish.
Tell you something else the experience those gents were having before Flytech gave them some advice backs up something I believe. Most people who show up on the Vedder with only their experience of catching sockeye on the Fraser will soon realize it doesn`t work that well there and will either change their methods or just give up.
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Hi Guys.
Can anyone recommend a good YouTube video that shows this type of fishing technique.
Going to give it a try at the Cap this monday :)
This is the best video I have found to explain and show how short floating works from an underwater perspective. Do the same for Chum, Coho, Chinook or Steel, just change up the terminal gear as you wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOQpv7aEWY
As already mentioned keep your jig off the bottom. If fishing the Stave go real short, as in at least 2-3 ft off the bottom. This will almost entirely eliminate accidentally snagging fish, reduce the number of stale dark fish you catch and increase the number of fresher more aggressive fish you hit.
Hope this helps and good luck; let us know how you do.
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So I channeled my inner Flytech today...even if he is a facist!. :) Seriously, your original post to start this thread came to mind today.
I was spincasting for coho today. The older gentleman on my right was casting something...Looked to be a very large spoon/small flasher trailed by a piece of wool on a hook. The young teen on my right was casting a small buzzbomb, but on his retrieve was just cranking it through the water.
I was tempted to be a little smug and just carry on in my "superior knowledge and experience", but a little niggling voice in me was prodding me to be generous and gracious.
So I gave the older gentleman (Mo, was his name) a Croc and gave another to the father of the teen, and then talked with the dad and mom for a while.
Good luck guys!
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I don't really have much of a story to share about helping others but more like I ended up making friends with a gentleman from Richmond who decided to come try the vedder and another guy learning to drift for the time, watched him land an amazing dog today, so the three of us just kinda hung out and shared advice, someone had already helped the guy with rigging his main line just before he hooked the chum, the two fly fishermen totally got skunked though! :P
I'm curious to see the Gordon Ramsay of the river! "YOU DONKEY! Where'd you learn to fish?! You not a surgeon stop ripping the lips off the fish!" "Are you done!?"
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So I channeled my inner Flytech today...even if he is a facist!. :) Seriously, your original post to start this thread came to mind today.
Nobody's perfect. ;) glad to hear it clarki, I would love to see more posts like this. I think we would make a difference.
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Flytech, I want to be your daughter.
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Flytech, I want to be your daughter.
Well my wife is pregnant... Maybe if you die and come back, that might be a possibility. ;)
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Fishing on the Quinsam the other day and came across a father and his two young boys fishing a piece of water that doesn't produce. I went to the next hole above them and proceeded to shake two cohos off since I was only looking for jacks.
I walked down to the trio and told them that the next run above had lots of cohos in it that were on the bite. We walked up there, showed them where the fish were holding.
I watched the two young guys start fishing. I suggested where they should cast and then left. I don't know if they caught anything but they had mastered casting with their spinning reels.
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Awesome Island dude! I really like the idea of making a father son fishing trip a little better. That and old guys who are willing to learn. That's who I like to help the most.
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Made my annual trip up to the Vedder from Seattle last weekend. Buddy and I fished the lower river and hooked many Coho while others around us didn't. Decided to share how deadly jig fishing can be on estuary Coho, gave away advice and free jigs (turned down several offers of payment) to many new friends. One Gent used one of our jigs and limited in 1.5 hours with four nice Coho. All I ask is don't vandalize my vehicle because were Yanks.
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Made my annual trip up to the Vedder from Seattle last weekend. Buddy and I fished the lower river and hooked many Coho while others around us didn't. Decided to share how deadly jig fishing can be on estuary Coho, gave away advice and free jigs (turned down several offers of payment) to many new friends. One Gent used one of our jigs and limited in 1.5 hours with four nice Coho. All I ask is don't vandalize my vehicle because were Yanks.
Where were you parked? Sorry to hear your car was vandalized. Jig fishing on the vedder is great if you get to the right spots.
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Just search this forum for all sorts of Canadians, Yankees, all people's cars getting vandalized on the Vedder. That, the garbage and the poaching are a big problem on the river. In fact it's probably alot of the same losers doing it too.