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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: koifish on October 08, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
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http://www.sharphooks.com/club.aspx?subpage=fishingforum&action=showthread&thread=16603
I'd thought I'd share this here with you guys
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This is definitely unfortunate.
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Nvm!
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They wont survive long in the vedder, too cold and the current is too strong for them to stay very long
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But what if they go in* frog water?, since it's slow moving
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Looking forward to following this .. I think LMB would do really well in some of the lower river flood plain areas.. sunfish are prevalent in ditches that drain into the Sumas River ... if bass are not here now they will be soon, imo >:(
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Perhaps its time to follow the Yellowstone National Park example with NNIS.
http://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/upload/14FishReg.pdf
EXAMPLE SECTION (what they do in yellowstone, note Rainbows are non-native to that area)
Northwest Region
Possession Limits
Native Trout Conservation Area:
• Catch and release all native fish.
• No possession limit on nonnative
fish.
Nonnative Trout Tolerance Area:
• Limit of 5 brook trout.
• Catch and release all rainbow and
brown trout.
Northeast region
All non-native fish must be killed in the Lamar drainage.
And another one
All Lake trout must be killed in Yellowstone Lake.
Or another one.
Illegal actions which cause
ecosystem degradation
• Possessing a native cutthroat
trout, or any other native
fish.
• Releasing a nonnative fish
alive within a mandatory kill
area.
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i wonder since bass arent native here how the heck do they even get into the vedder or in the lowermainland? someone released it ? BUT where would they get it from?
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I think that Judson Lake (a small lake the straddles the border west of Sumas) drains to the Sumas River. I know Judson Lake has a well established largemouth population - I caught them there when I was a kid.
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I don't understand why Bass fishing is so popular, nobody eats them and most guys you see just horse them in as fast as they can, so much money spent on equipment, just does't make sense to me!
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Go to Barrowtown pump station and you will see the gateway how those little bastards get in.
>:(
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bass are tolerant to cold weather so they will survive in the vedder over winter. just look at the great lakes in ontario.....lots of bass. The ones that are caught should not be released back into the water....please kill it. I dont mind bass in lakes that are AWAY from salmon bearing streams but theses critters are an invasive fish in the vedder.
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My kids have caught Largemouth bass and bluegills in the Fraser just under the mission bridge this past summer.
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Go to Barrowtown pump station and you will see the gateway how those little bastards get in.
>:(
haha
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They are also in the Stave...they get through during high water from silvermere lake
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I think that Judson Lake (a small lake the straddles the border west of Sumas) drains to the Sumas River.
It does not drain to the Sumas.
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It does not drain to the Sumas.
Hmm, well looking at this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Judson+Lake/@48.9926183,-122.3535057,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x5485b50f1b80978d:0x81de134ddf80b9f2 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Judson+Lake/@48.9926183,-122.3535057,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x5485b50f1b80978d:0x81de134ddf80b9f2)
You can't see any outlet streams, but it is very close (about 1km) from the streams and ditches that drain into the Sumas (via Johnson Creek), but about 3-4 km from the streams that drain into the Nooksack. I don't know which way it really flows, but I know during major floods it is all connects in that area.
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maybe a bird picked one up and dropped one in the vedder lolol
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my bro caught a largemouth bass 12 or 13 inches long in canal area of vedder last week.
fish was destroyed but it sure seemed healthy, hopefully this is not a trend...
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Hmm, well looking at this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Judson+Lake/@48.9926183,-122.3535057,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x5485b50f1b80978d:0x81de134ddf80b9f2 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Judson+Lake/@48.9926183,-122.3535057,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x5485b50f1b80978d:0x81de134ddf80b9f2)
You can't see any outlet streams, but it is very close (about 1km) from the streams and ditches that drain into the Sumas (via Johnson Creek), but about 3-4 km from the streams that drain into the Nooksack. I don't know which way it really flows, but I know during major floods it is all connects in that area.
If you've got Google Earth you can look at Judson close up - there are no apparent outlet or inlet streams.
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I don't understand why Bass fishing is so popular, nobody eats them and most guys you see just horse them in as fast as they can, so much money spent on equipment, just does't make sense to me!
That's how I feel. They reel them in so fast, tug hard enough to make them skip (i.e. appear like they're jumping). And the gear - you're right again. I'd rather spend my hard earned $$$ on gear that catches something I can BBQ, poach, or smoke. Bass are not for me.
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Bass aren't actually to bad to eat, I don't think they would be very good on a bbq but when I was out in Penticton we caught a smallmouth without really paying attention, at the time we thought it was just a perch, anyway we were camping so on the skillet it went and it was pretty damn good.
But I tend to enjoy a lot of unique cuisine. Regardless they belong in the mississippi watershed where they belong.
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:o
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I've had both Large and Smallmouth, Crappy as well. They are similar to rockfish or snapper. I kind of agree with how they are caught, particularly the large mouths. The few times I have fished for them well they didn't fight like much. Smallmouths are another story.
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I've had both Large and Smallmouth, Crappy as well. They are similar to rockfish or snapper. I kind of agree with how they are caught, particularly the large mouths. The few times I have fished for them well they didn't fight like much. Smallmouths are another story.
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I agree i was fish perch with my ultralite then hooked a smallemouth and then all hell broke loose snapped my ultralite ):
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I've caught salmon all my life.. thought i'd try to change it up and catch bass and pikes in other parts of bc, alberta and manitoba. Result: I'd rather stick to the salmonids and their battle skills. regardless of fly or gear styles
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Between Bass and other species of fish, I would have to say pike are definitely the best fighters, right up there with Chum. Such a scary fish, snatching up ducklings, small frogs and what not. I hear Burbots and Walleye can be pretty feisty.
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My 2 cents on pike.. they're very aggressive fighters for the first bit, but the fight doesn't last very long. Chum on the other hand, battle much much longer than the pike..
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Grew up in Ontario on the Grand River fishing ever kind of fish that province has to offer.North and south.Pound for pound there is no better fight than smallmouths in fast water. Steelhead are the greatest sport fish in my humble opinion.They outweigh smallies ten to one or more on average though. Not wanting to start a highjack.These bass should be exterminated here with prejudice.
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My 2 cents on our bass
I wouldn't worry too much about the bass. They fit the same niche as our existing coarse fish species (mostly pimeminnows), and if anything, will just displace a few of them. They don't proliferate in our cold waters, and sure they probably eat a few of our game fish, but guess what? Our game fish eat them too. I don't fish for them, or particularly like them, but tossing the ones you catch into the bush isn't going to make an ounce of difference. But if it makes you feel like a hero, go for it. They're in the Fraser drainage, so they're here to stay.
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ive yet to hear of a trout that actively eats spiny ray species.
I have heard of NPM's in a lake eating perch though.
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I grew up in eastern Ontario and fished bass in streams and rivers that froze over solid for six months a year as well as lakes and the St. Lawerence river, (all freeze with min 3 ft thick of ice) so saying bass can't handle the cold water of Vedder just isn't the truth. Also someone said barbot and walleye are great fighters and don't get me wrong I've landed so big walleye (12-16lbs) and ya they are a decent fight but don't compare to any of the pacific salmon species in my opinion.. And the barbot...perch fight more then they do and that's not much... Northern pike and Muskie put up a good fight but they too can come in more like a log then a fish..
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I think that common carp amd grass carp fight hardest pound for pound
ive yet to hear of a trout that actively eats spiny ray species.
I have heard of NPM's in a lake eating perch though.
Since bass would probably spend most of their time in frog water, i think that a wandering bull trout, cutty, or bow of reasonable size could easily wipe a bass nest.
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Since bass would probably spend most of their time in frog water, i think that a wandering bull trout, cutty, or bow of reasonable size could easily wipe a bass nest.
Unlike salmonids bass are brood protectors. Once the eggs are laid the male stays behind to guard it.
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Unlike salmonids bass are brood protectors. Once the eggs are laid the male stays behind to guard it.
But not all of the male bass will be large enough to fend off trout, there are many trout larger than bass in the vedder
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I grew up in eastern Ontario and fished bass in streams and rivers that froze over solid for six months a year as well as lakes and the St. Lawerence river, (all freeze with min 3 ft thick of ice) so saying bass can't handle the cold water of Vedder just isn't the truth. Also someone said barbot and walleye are great fighters and don't get me wrong I've landed so big walleye (12-16lbs) and ya they are a decent fight but don't compare to any of the pacific salmon species in my opinion.. And the barbot...perch fight more then they do and that's not much... Northern pike and Muskie put up a good fight but they too can come in more like a log then a fish..
Yes but how warm do those Ontario streams get in the warmer months of summer? The Fraser and tribs just don't warm up enough; with the exception of a few sloughs that the bass have flourished in. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's unlikely that they will flourish, being that they have been in the Fraser drainage for a long time and haven't gotten very far yet.
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Infecting/infesting every piece of water that connects to the Fraser is a true tragedy.
I've been fishing our LML and Fraser valley waters for at least a dozen years and the explosion of bass in the last 3/4 years is pretty scary. These fish are not slow to establis themselves and even flourish in our waters. It may seem like it doesn't make a difference but every bass that is removed from a system could save a hundred/thousands? Of salmon and trout. I'd rather catch a native pikeminow that some invasive bass, even if they both love to chow down on fry... Maybe the best solution would be to follow the interior and if a bass is found in the water it's closed to fishing. Then rotenoned. Then restocked with native species. A mandatory catch and kill would be good too!
Or do we all just say screw it!?! If that's the case might as well start planting pike and snake heads too...
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Yes but how warm do those Ontario streams get in the warmer months of summer? The Fraser and tribs just don't warm up enough; with the exception of a few sloughs that the bass have flourished in. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's unlikely that they will flourish, being that they have been in the Fraser drainage for a long time and haven't gotten very far yet.
Definitely a bit warmer but not to the extent you might think. Average temp of Vedder in June was 14.9 and average temp of St.lawerence river in June was 16.1... The Ottawa river average temp was 15.9... Mind you these rivers are way bigger the Vedder but the bass thrive in these temps. So if people are under impression it's not a concern cause the bass won't thrive in the Vedder temps... Think again
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2 degrees is a fair difference, and how long the streams are warm for also makes a difference. The Vedder might get to 14.9, but it wont be there for long with the freshet we experience here in BC. The "ideal" temp for bass in the Vedder probably only lasts a month or two. Also the structure of the Vedder isn't exactly preffered bass habitat (except maybe the extreme lower reaches).
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Infecting/infesting every piece of water that connects to the Fraser is a true tragedy.
I've been fishing our LML and Fraser valley waters for at least a dozen years and the explosion of bass in the last 3/4 years is pretty scary. These fish are not slow to establis themselves and even flourish in our waters. It may seem like it doesn't make a difference but every bass that is removed from a system could save a hundred/thousands? Of salmon and trout. I'd rather catch a native pikeminow that some invasive bass, even if they both love to chow down on fry... Maybe the best solution would be to follow the interior and if a bass is found in the water it's closed to fishing. Then rotenoned. Then restocked with native species. A mandatory catch and kill would be good too!
Or do we all just say screw it!?! If that's the case might as well start planting pike and snake heads too...
Every bass that is removed could also be about to create thousands of snacks for a hungry cutty or steelhead smolt. People have to be more open minded about this, and think of things from both sides. Lots of people bonk their pikeminnows and chuck em in the woods, but they lived side by side with our more "desirable" species for thousands of years before we came along and started screwing things up. Nature has a way of balancing things, but the almighty mankind thinks that they can do better. We've done a pretty good job so far eh? :o keep in mind, that the invasive species that does the most damage x 10000 is us.... If you really want to improve the fishery, start bonking people and chucking them in the river ::)
Our Native salmon and trout face MUCH bigger problems than a few silly bass that they might just make a snack out of anyways.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, or a concern, but the sky is not falling, and there is nothing we can do about it now, prevention is the only way to fight this sort of thing.
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2 degrees is a fair difference, and how long the streams are warm for also makes a difference. The Vedder might get to 14.9, but it wont be there for long with the freshet we experience here in BC. The "ideal" temp for bass in the Vedder probably only lasts a month or two. Also the structure of the Vedder isn't exactly preffered bass habitat (except maybe the extreme lower reaches).
14.9 to 16.1 isn't 2 degrees but regardless, your right it doesn't stay at that temp long, July and Aug were 17.1 and 17.3 respectively with the coldest months being dec and jan at 2.1 and 2.6 and only 3 mths a year coming in under 5 degrees as apposed to the St.lawrence and ottawa rivers which both have 4.5 mths of below zero temps. Your right the Vedder does not have the preferred habitat for bass and in my opinion that is the major reason why the bass have not moved further into the system. Fast water and near non existence of vegitation might be the flows saving grace from it becoming heavily populated w bass.
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I suggest from Peach Road down, the off channel habitat recently created for coho, pink and chum is very suitable for bass. Check out the massive off channel habitat around the Great Blue Heron Reserve and tell me that's not bass heaven.
I agree, the swifter areas of the Vedder will not likely be bass habitat, but imo, Sweltzer Creek and Cultus Lake will eventually have bass and sunfish populations.
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I do enjoy bass fishing, Small mouth in particular. I fished them lots in Ontario and the water gets a lot warmer and for way longer so if theyre in the Vedder, I don't think theyll get very big in the Vedder. The conditions are ideal for them.
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They are out there!!! I caught one on Friday at the mouth of the Stave. Wtf!
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They are out there!!! I caught one on Friday at the mouth of the Stave. Wtf!
Silvermere lake (which is plugged full of bass) drains directly into the mouth of the Stave, they are basically directly connected. It's no surprise you caught one. I've caught them all the way up to the dam before, and been catching them in there for over 10 years.