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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: wookie on October 03, 2014, 09:15:56 AM
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Just a heads up, I saw two sockeye caught in the lower river yesterday, one of which was hatchery clipped. They are headed for Cultus Lake. Luckily the guy who released it did so with as little hardship to the fish. As for the other guy, he dragged it up to shore, noticed it had an adepose fin, yelled "Wild Coho!!", and tossed it back! Although these fish are only slightly rosy along the sides, please look for a greenish head as this is a good indicator that THEY ARE NOT COHO AND CANNOT BE RETAINED. I have heard through a 3rd party from those working up at Cultus that the sockeye are still coming in, so take care to ID these fish and release them as quick as possible!!
- I'd hate to see someone keep a clipped Cultus Sockeye thinking it was otherwise :)
Cheers :)
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They really should clip a different fin on those socks.
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The worst is that no one expect to get a sockeye in October on the Vedder, but that's when they spawn.....
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The worst is that no one expect to get a sockeye in October on the Vedder, but that's when they spawn.....
Actually Cultus Lake sockeye are in the Vedder from late July till November. They spawn late November into December.
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They really should clip a different fin on those socks.
That was discussed way back when this hatchery program started. The fact is an adipose clip has shown less mortalities than any other fin removal. Managers knew this would cause confusion but still considered it best for the fish. Identifying these fish as sockeye is not difficult ... anglers just need to do their homework.
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Identifying these fish as sockeye is not difficult ... anglers just need to do their homework.
x2 .. ME and my buddy released 2 yesterday.
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You'd think it's about time we took fishing licenses to the next level with a simple 10 question quiz when we renew our licenses to identify the common species in our waters...
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What about a maxillary clip like the stave steelhead?
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What about a maxillary clip like the stave steelhead?
Too hard on the fish and marks have to be visible, in the water, when they are counted at the enumeration fence. There, the fish swim by a mirror that plainly shows the presence or absence of an adipose fin to the counter.
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Forget the colour tho thats a good indicator. Sockeye have no spots. So simple. All other salmon and trout have some form of spots but sockeye are sleek lol. Such a sure and easy way
Bang on. There's no way to confuse a sockeye for any other pacific salmon species. They don't have any spots such a clearer indication even if you're a moron.
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Unfortunately I don't think the uniformed bottom bouncer/ snagger cares too much.
Guys taking more than they need on the vedder
Especially really big chinooks.
It sucks
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Actually Cultus Lake sockeye are in the Vedder from late July till November. They spawn late November into December.
Ya, we caught and released a chrome one in early December a number of years back.
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Unfortunately I don't think the uniformed bottom bouncer/ snagger cares too much.
Guys taking more than they need on the vedder
Especially really big chinooks.
It sucks
Nothing wrong with taking a big chinook. Some people prefer the whites for eating.
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What I meant to say guys taking more than
1 chinook over 65 cm....
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I happen to be the guy that landed my sockeye, in the water and the reason we questioned it was because it had many scales missing along is back which made it appear to be spots while in the water and it was clipped which also threw us off. Once I saw the green head I realized it was a sockeye. This is the first time I have gotten sockeye in the fall and one that clean as well
P.S. - I'm also the third party info because my wife takes care of a ladies son who is working with the cultus sockeye right now :)
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Forget the colour tho thats a good indicator. Sockeye have no spots. So simple. All other salmon and trout have some form of spots but sockeye are sleek lol. Such a sure and easy way
Bang on. There's no way to confuse a sockeye for any other pacific salmon species. They don't have any spots such a clearer indication even if you're a intelligent and respectable human being.
Really? Interesting... one of 3 we caught that looked identical to this on this particular day.
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That's clearly a pink that you dyed red and green...... and put a fake head attachement on ;)
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Really? Interesting... one of 3 we caught that looked identical to this on this particular day.
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fins dont count :P the body looks spotless to me (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/smiley-face-giggle.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
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fins dont count :P the body looks spotless to me (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/smiley-face-giggle.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
The top had some minimal spotting, hard to see due to the colour of the fish and the glare.
Regardless, in the regs it says no spotting on any fins or on the body. They are suppose to be completely spotless, yet every sockeye we got that weekend was heavily spotted on the fins, with some spotting on the bodies as well. Other than just knowing this is a sockeye from experience, it would be hard for a rookie to know based on definitions.
Just goes to show you cannot just use one identifier - such as spots - to identify a fish. You need to use all the identifying features to make sure you know the species. Saying simply "there are no spots on any sockeye" would exclude this nearly entire population of sockeye (from what I've seen the years I've gone there).
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The top had some minimal spotting, hard to see due to the colour of the fish and the glare.
Regardless, in the regs it says no spotting on any fins or on the body. They are suppose to be completely spotless, yet every sockeye we got that weekend was heavily spotted on the fins, with some spotting on the bodies as well. Other than just knowing this is a sockeye from experience, it would be hard for a rookie to know based on definitions.
Just goes to show you cannot just use one identifier - such as spots - to identify a fish. You need to use all the identifying features to make sure you know the species. Saying simply "there are no spots on any sockeye" would exclude this nearly entire population of sockeye (from what I've seen the years I've gone there).
yeah i understand what you're saying. i was being cheeky.
on a different note where was that fish caught ED? ive caught sockeye in the vedder and never have come across spots on the tail or body for that matter.
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Vancouver Island, west coast. I've seen quite a few in the past few years, in a few different west coast rivers. They threw me for a loop at first, now it seems almost typical for me. Odd, as it also seems they get more spotted the closer they get to spawning/the more coloured they get. Chrome ones have very few if any spots.
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I agree we should all know how to identify fish but a missing adipose fin cant be the best idea in that river.
It may be easier to see or whatever reasons and im sure they have a lot more knowledge than I or many on here but it still doesn't seam right for obvious reasons.
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I agree we should all know how to identify fish but a missing adipose fin cant be the best idea in that river.
It may be easier to see or whatever reasons and im sure they have a lot more knowledge than I or many on here but it still doesn't seam right for obvious reasons.
Well, there were not a lot of options .. initially, the cost of the hatchery portion of the Cultus Lake Sockeye Recovery Plan was app 250k yearly. This cost included the captive brood program (now curtailed), at Rosewall Creek. To quantify hatchery returns to Cultus Lake (and the expenditure of taxpayer dollars), the Recovery Program required accurate data to demonstrate the value of the hatchery procedures … hence a means of quickly identifying hatchery/wild sockeye arriving at the fence on Sweltzer Creek. As water temperatures are often above 20° C during August and into early September it was imperative these migrating sockeye not be handled; an external mark was necessary.
Over the years these fish have been marked in many ways to determine best value for the hatchery dollar procedures .. From different fin clips, thermal marking of otoliths, Calcein fin ray dying, dates and timing of unfed fry, fed fry, pre smolt, and smolt releases into Sweltzer Creek, and all these data rely on quickly identifying a hatchery/wild fish.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/habitat/cultus/index-eng.htm
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Really? Interesting... one of 3 we caught that looked identical to this on this particular day.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10394132_10152277056166612_4259692625268082560_n.jpg?oh=6dca71bb8507b00aaf45d1610273a5d2&oe=54B928A3&__gda__=1422375670_8e336b9ed2e884ebe8949195ddd571a5)
I have seen this as well, albeit I rarely come across it. Definitely should know at least two ways to ID a fish just in case something like this happens.
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Took my dog for a walk today along parts of Sweltzer along the quarry road, the few sockeye I could spot appeared to have dark rings around them which indicated net marks. Not trying to belittle the significance of this post, but it seems like their might be bigger forces at play here.
Also, what is with the garbage in that poor creek, I've walked along it year after year, usually picking up what I can, and it never ends...... Is it the campground? The reserve? Garbage from a summer on the lake drifting down???
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Saw a sockeye bonked mid river today. Almost felt bad for the guy because clearly he was very new to fishing (maybe was just out for the day) and his buddy, that seemed more experienced and was guiding him, ID'd the fish as a coho. I heard him ask his buddy to make sure and the idiot said "for sure ... white gums." I know people are going to say everyone should be able to ID fish. It's just frustrating because this guy would have gotten punished and his idiot partner gets nothing.
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With 2000 anglers on the vedder from dusk to dawn each day makes it pretty hard for 2 dfo officers to be everywhere on the river. The fact that fines are not excessive and ability to collect fines is almost nil also affects their morale. Plus the fact 30% of their day is paper work means less time out patrolling. continued ignorance of the rules by anglers does not help the fishery at all. So until we complain to our federal mp's to hire more officers and change the rules and increase fines this will continue for years.....maybe hiring 8-10 auxillary offices during peak salmon months ie. september to november is and idea. Something is better than nothing.
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This thread is great.... what was it on again? O yea...
On a side note, wtf is this :P ;D :o
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This thread is great.... what was it on again? O yea...
On a side note, wtf is this :P ;D :o
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looks like A female pink
i was at the chilliwack river hatchery yesterday and there was a very nice steelhead in there
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So it's cool to just ignore the vertical bars?
Plus no spots on the fins, especially the tail?
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Can we all get along?
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This thread is great.... what was it on again? O yea...
On a side note, wtf is this :P ;D :o
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10721258_10152777765109479_923258836_n.jpg?oh=54ef4b3189239e61bf53c7af090b8e91&oe=5433407E&__gda__=1412711663_cf0572101c6f1214452777e26d485ee5)
Small weird chum. Regardless it would be going back looking that ugly.
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This thread is great.... what was it on again? O yea...
On a side note, wtf is this :P ;D :o
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10721258_10152777765109479_923258836_n.jpg?oh=54ef4b3189239e61bf53c7af090b8e91&oe=5433407E&__gda__=1412711663_cf0572101c6f1214452777e26d485ee5)
Looks like a pin-hum ;D
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Not all sockeye go solid crimson with green heads. I have seen sockeye that look sort of like that.
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definately a poor mans sockeye. almost a hybrid between chum and pink. dont see many like this.
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Cool tattoo :D and certainly a different looking chum... 3 yr old maybe?
Great photos, again, as usual!!
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look at the white tips on the fins. Must be resident rainbows. ;D
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Cool tattoo :D and certainly a different looking chum... 3 yr old maybe?
Great photos, again, as usual!!
It's a chum/pink hybrid.
First time I've actually seen a good picture of one, that was actually identified as one.
As far as I know they did a DNA test on it (he has it in a circular tank at the hatchery he works at - caught it at the outflow and ran it up to a running tank). Heck, maybe I'll get to see it alive if it's not dead by the time I get up there next weekend ;D
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Wow! I thought those chum looked a bit "pinkish"! The one in the net has a developing hump! The other has spots on its back. I've never heard of a pink/chum hybrid, but anything is possible...
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First pic sure looks like a pink with the the hump, oval spotted tail, smaller size; the stripes were not definitive at that angle.
Second pic def. chum stripes.
A hybrid would certainly fool everyone. Does that count as half a chum?
It's a chum/pink hybrid.
First time I've actually seen a good picture of one, that was actually identified as one.
As far as I know they did a DNA test on it (he has it in a circular tank at the hatchery he works at - caught it at the outflow and ran it up to a running tank). Heck, maybe I'll get to see it alive if it's not dead by the time I get up there next weekend ;D
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You hear it all the time "that's coho no that's a steelhead" etc - Another thought I have is why all the heavy fireline, power pro that is being used on the Vedder/Chilliwack system. Its not sockeye season on this river. Whatever happen to 12lb-15lb main and 8lb-10lb leaders.Maybe a little introduction course on proper fish identification/release and proper fishing ethics with some basic fishing techniques would help.
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You hear it all the time "that's coho no that's a steelhead" etc - There is becoming more and more "Fishers" out there that have no idea of what they're doing or what they are catching. Another thought I have is why all the heavy fireline, power pro that is being used on the Vedder/Chilliwack system. Its not sockeye season on this river. Whatever happen to 12lb-15lb main and 8lb-10lb leaders.Maybe a little introduction course on proper fish identification/release and proper fishing ethics with some basic fishing techniques would help.
Because all the beeks bought that setup for sockeye and are now using it on the vedder.
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im not sure where all these rippers have came from?? Every single run i went to it was packed with snaggers bottom bouncing or guys pulling back so hard it makes that rippppp sound.
If there wasn't so many rippers everywhere would the fish bite more regularly?
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i don't even hold back anymore...whenever someone starts ripping beside me, especially when i'm there first, i won't hesitate to tell them they're spooking the fish. it's so annoying and inconsiderate.
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i don't even hold back anymore...whenever someone starts ripping beside me, especially when i'm there first, i won't hesitate to tell them they're spooking the fish. it's so annoying and inconsiderate.
And what proportion of those people acknowledge what you are saying and aim to modify their behavior and how many just shrug and continue to jig away?
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And what proportion of those people acknowledge what you are saying and aim to modify their behavior and how many just shrug and continue to jig away?
I would say the ones who comply are the ones who stay and those who don't give a rat's *** move on to avoid confrontation, not only with me, but other fishermen fishing properly in the same area.