Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: dave c on September 29, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
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Was fishing canal today only to see a guy drop in above me and proceed to bootom bounce with at least a 6 ft leader. Didn't think it was legal but wasn't sure so I asked other guys around me and they didnt seem to care. Would have said something if I knew for sure. Planning on hitting same spot tomorrow. Maybe the leader length is the issue? Anyway would like to know for sure in case I see him again. Help. Thanks.
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Its not illegal, but it is frowned upon and there are many other ways to fish in which you will be much more successful.
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No leader length restriction.
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That's just plain ridiculous. Help the guy understand in a nice way. If he's a dick, walk away lol.
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unfortunately it is a legal grey area. There is no leader restriction and dfo doesn't seem to do anything about BBer's. I hate these people who BB the vedder. It just ruins it for everyone else. When people BB it totally makes the fish get zipped lipps and they stop biting and get spooked. Personally i would find a run without this nonsense going on.
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You have to remember a ton of bottom bouncers have no idea it's frowned upon. They need to be educated.
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I've seen float fishers loose it on bottom bouncers on the
Vedder. I've also almost been hit in the head as
They cast across the river, with their bouncing
Beaties.
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Also went out all day to day. Some guys were catching but not
A whole lot. I was amazed to see how many
Guys were out on a Monday.
The fish probably are a bit spooked as
There doesn't seem to be much space for them to get a break
From hooks weights etc flinging in front of them.
Is the amount of people fishing increasing, seems like a lot
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I dont snag any fish period. So if your ok about snagging on the Fraser and not doing it on any other system isnt that a bit hypocritical?
I am not trying to be a jerk here so dont any of you come on here and say I am being all holier than thou BS. Honestly I think everything needs to be changed in regards to the regs and bottom bouncing. Leader restrictions being the first one. Secondly the regulation about where the hook placement needs to be on a caught fish. That last regulation is very vague and basically anything near the mouth would be considered a fair caught fish which is a bunch of crap.
We are never going to get around the poachers, snaggers but atleast if the regs are changed the DFO's have grounds to give fines and have the ability to charge individuals.
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Hit a nice run right before dark last week in the lower with a ton of fish rolling as soon as I hook up with a jack spring and proceed to land it 3 dummies showed up right where me and my buddy were fishing and started casting 60lbs test braided line 3oz betties and 10ft leaders ripping/snagging monster fish and being proud of it. It's a damn shame douche bags like these are found almost everywhere on the flow ruined the rest of our day.
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I get that its frowned upon and I will not do it on the Vedder but I cant help but wonder how many of the people complaining about the BB'ers are the same guys bouncing pencil lead down the river 8' below the float with a lengthy leader in 3-4 feet of water?
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Seen a couple guys now with the 5" pencil lead 4' leader and wool, no float telling me "it's the only way to get down to the fish" as I land a 20lb white spring short floating roe. Ya okayy buddyy.
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Float flossing should be also frowned upon. I've even seen guys using betties with a float. As discussed many times before, there are several methods to floss/snag fish including doing so with the fly. Nonetheless, they are not breaking the law or regulations (at least it would be extremely difficult to prove). However, that does not make it ethical. I agree education is important. But many of these guys know exactly what they are doing. Too bad, because there are FAR more effective ways to selectively catch fish in waters like the Vedder.
On another note, I've got some primo roe curing right now!!! The "coho crack" lab was busy last night... ;)
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Flossing is legal.
If its good enough for all the by catch fish on the Fraser then its good enough for the Vedder.
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So if your ok about snagging on the Fraser and not doing it on any other system isnt that a bit hypocritical?
This is exactly right. If the fishing community as a whole is going to condone BB/flossing as a legal technique then one really has no right to tell someone else how to fish.
Of course you can try to instruct them as to why BB with big weights and long leaders could be disadvantageous on the vedder but if they don’t care to change then there isn’t much you can do.
As someone pointed out in an earlier post, unfortunately what they don’t realize is that technique can spook the fish and ruin the whole run for everyone else. They are being poor fishing citizens not so much because they are using a technique that some people find ‘unethical’ but rather they are literally affecting the quality of fishing for the people around them. Maybe they don’t realize that and framed that way, some might be willing to change for the sake of playing nice with others. I doubt it though…
Ironically, once the fish get lockjaw then the most effective technique probably then becomes flossing/snagging and the ‘legitimacy’ of their methods gets validated in their minds. I agree with the above posters who promote education, though I don’t know how that could be achieved and in what context.
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If you approach people the right way 99% of the time they will listen and you may even convert some to fishing "properly". Pretty sure I converted two guys this year already after they watched me hitting fish while they got nothing ;)
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bottom line is if you floss on fraser for sockeye or support flossing on fraser, then you're in favor of it on vedder and elsewhere cause it INEVITABLY carries over to other systems.
you yourself may floss for socks but not agree with it on vedder...but there are just as many flossers/snaggers who seem to think this is acceptable elsewhere.
yes, it is hypocritical for a fraser sockeye flosser to complain about it on other systems.
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Is it hypocritical? Yup ... Will you get bitched out if you do it on the Vedder? Yup ... life isn't always fair. Try bar fishing the middle of scale bar during peak sockeye season and see how that goes. Same deal, even though it's legal in a lot of places doesn't mean you should do it in all places.
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bottom line is if you floss on Fraser for sockeye or support flossing on Fraser, then you're in favor of it on vedder and elsewhere cause it INEVITABLY carries over to other systems.
you yourself may floss for socks but not agree with it on vedder...but there are just as many flossers/snaggers who seem to think this is acceptable elsewhere.
yes, it is hypocritical for a fraser sockeye flosser to complain about it on other systems.
You have it completely right, if you (not this poster) are one that floss the Fraser for sockeye, you should not complain when you see it else where. We have now introduced a new type of angler, I use that term loosely, to the fishing community and unfortunately there now is too many of them, you may educate a few but they are here to stay so we just have to live with it and go somewhere they are not, like the ocean or the still water fishery.
It is also now driven by economics and greed, glad in a way I am 71 and will not have to observe TOW ing for that many years from earth anyway. ;D ;D
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You have it completely right, if you (not this poster) are one that floss the Fraser for sockeye, you should not complain when you see it else where. We have now introduced a new type of angler, I use that term loosely, to the fishing community and unfortunately there now is too many of them, you may educate a few but they are here to stay so we just have to live with it and go somewhere they are not, like the ocean or the still water fishery.
Well then considering the fact that there were more people flossing in the last two months than I've ever seen river fishing any other way I guess its safe to say the Flossers are here to stay. And if people believe what Chris has written above I guess we won't have to put up with the, Holier than Thou attitudes nor listen to complaining about flossing Ever again.
As Chris said, ..........., you should not complain when you see it else where.
Glad to know we can put this baby to bed, Ahem.
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What size bouncing betty should I use on the Serpentine River?
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hey do you think this guy was flossing/snagging in this video? He was using pencil lead with like a 2-3ft leader without a float. He was also fishing in an area famous to idiot snaggers/flossers. AKA THE SLAB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLD9DJxOR4U
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Just because one fishes an area that snaggers hang out does not mean he is a snagger. Nothing in the video to suggest he is a snagger or otherwise.
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Notice the hook placement, doesn't seem like he snagged/flossed the fish.
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What size bouncing betty should I use on the Serpentine River?
I would suggest a 4 oz. just to make sure you get the right bounce.
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I would suggest a 4 oz. just to make sure you get the right bounce.
...and anything shorter than 12 ft leader won't comply with the standards for that system...
and one last thing... make sure you set the hook at the end of the drift in case the fish is not biting hard enough!
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OK I will try them tips.
Last time I found that 12 Oz bettys were too much and I would spend too much time trying to get it back out of the mud.
It also just kind of sat there and not much of a drift.
The good part was I got a couple Geese as they flew over on a bit of a high cast.
Thanks for the tips. ;)
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You're welcome Firstlight !!! How did the geese taste ???
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Saw the bottom bouncer today and to my surprise he was short floating. Sadly no fish for him. Hope he sticks to it and doesn't go back to bb ing.
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hey do you think this guy was flossing/snagging in this video? He was using pencil lead with like a 2-3ft leader without a float. He was also fishing in an area famous to idiot snaggers/flossers. AKA THE SLAB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLD9DJxOR4U
In the video Ken says that he hardly had any fishing action until he drove up all the way to the boundary near sleese creek - holy cow that's terrible if true - his report from just a few days ago. I thought there was more then enough rain.
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I cant believe he just ate the roe like that... wtfff
In the video Ken says that he hardly had any fishing action until he drove up all the way to the boundary near sleese creek - holy cow that's terrible if true - his report from just a few days ago. I thought there was more then enough rain.
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Well then considering the fact that there were more people flossing in the last two months than I've ever seen river fishing any other way I guess its safe to say the Flossers are here to stay. And if people believe what Chris has written above I guess we won't have to put up with the, Holier than Thou attitudes nor listen to complaining about flossing Ever again.
As Chris said, ..........., you should not complain when you see it else where.
Glad to know we can put this baby to bed, Ahem.
It will most likely until the sockeye open again in 4 years, until then the Fraser will return to some form of normality.
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I cant believe he just ate the roe like that... wtfff
Bear Grylls wanna be ?
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Saw the bottom bouncer today and to my surprise he was short floating.
That's good news! Maybe he read it here, or someone had a chat with him.
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What snaggers & flossers on the Chedder? Snagging, when did that start (rotflmao)?Why don't they just close it down! ;D
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hey do you think this guy was flossing/snagging in this video? He was using pencil lead with like a 2-3ft leader without a float. He was also fishing in an area famous to idiot snaggers/flossers. AKA THE SLAB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLD9DJxOR4U
Look at the comments lol
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What are we looking for in the comments?
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lol…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGCjcdxHcvg
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This is exactly right. If the fishing community as a whole is going to condone BB/flossing as a legal technique then one really has no right to tell someone else how to fish.
Of course you can try to instruct them as to why BB with big weights and long leaders could be disadvantageous on the vedder but if they don’t care to change then there isn’t much you can do.
As someone pointed out in an earlier post, unfortunately what they don’t realize is that technique can spook the fish and ruin the whole run for everyone else. They are being poor fishing citizens not so much because they are using a technique that some people find ‘unethical’ but rather they are literally affecting the quality of fishing for the people around them. Maybe they don’t realize that and framed that way, some might be willing to change for the sake of playing nice with others. I doubt it though…
Ironically, once the fish get lockjaw then the most effective technique probably then becomes flossing/snagging and the ‘legitimacy’ of their methods gets validated in their minds. I agree with the above posters who promote education, though I don’t know how that could be achieved and in what context.
Well said.
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The Vedder must be the #1 spot in BC for all the variety of unethical or ethically grey fishing practices; low holing, fence posting, crowding other anglers, snagging - the real gut and back hook variety, littering (why is the average angler such a swine?) and I am sure there's many more. Why get so concerned about flossing? Flossing, dipping it's been happening there for decades. There isn't too many parts of the river that are all that conducive to bottom bouncing with a betty. I haven't seen it very often and when I have people trying it soon learn it's not such a great way to fish - except maybe for the KW Bridge pool. I know lots of anglers who won't go to the Vedder because they consider it a cesspool of bad angling behaviour and overcrowding. I won't go there weekends for the most part.
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Was at the vedder yesterday and what I saw was just sad :'( Every single run/pool i went to was filled with anglers who set the depth from the float way over how deep it was in the run. They all had 3-9 ft leaders and were ripping back after everycast. They where snagging fish by the tail! I even saw a 5 pound sucker fish get dragged out by the tail. Now that I know the lower river is this bad im going to stay away. Of course though the anglers left when it was getting dark and I managed to get a lot of bites on roe after they left.
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is it bad to fish with a pencil lead and a 1-2 foot leader? but no float?
what i see guys do is get a long leader a weight and pull there float up thats not diffrence then bb which is as bad
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is it bad to fish with a pencil lead and a 1-2 foot leader? but no float?
what i see guys do is get a long leader a weight and pull there float up thats not diffrence then bb which is as bad
no, it's not bad at all. it's a standard/accepted technique usually with a spin n glo, bead and some wool or a hootchie....Only added roe that way a few times but it was successful for springs in particular....not the best for gin clear water though
preferred a slinky weight in 3/4 to 1 oz for most 'walking speed' flows. I would snag up on the bottom less and it personally felt better.
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Yeah I just wanted to know if that was ok since I'm going out tmr to the vedder im probably going to use wool and maybe later float and roe setup fake roe lol
How's the water at the vedder is it high? Or low?
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Saw that yesterday as well ! Two large springs snagged in the tail and bonked!
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is it bad to fish with a pencil lead and a 1-2 foot leader? but no float?
no, it's not bad at all. it's a standard/accepted technique usually with a spin n glo, bead and some wool or a hootchie....Only added roe that way a few times but it was successful for springs in particular....not the best for gin clear water though
preferred a slinky weight in 3/4 to 1 oz for most 'walking speed' flows. I would snag up on the bottom less and it personally felt better.
a lot of people who don't understand that is/was a long established method of fishing. HaigBrown used something similar and use of a float is only becoming common south of the border lately.
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Bottom bouncing is not flossing as long as the leader is a reasonable Length. You will get fish to bite that will not come up to a float presentation. Snagging is all about intent and the way one fishes.
I gave up fishing the Vedder years ago. Many just use a float for a decoration piece. I would rather fish the Fraser and floss for socks than the Vedder where many are just putting on a show.