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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: rustybee on September 28, 2014, 12:45:27 AM
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Saw an funny dude fishing with roe yesterday. Caught at least one fish. Called DFO to report but didn't think the officer was too motivated to catch the perp....
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Saw an funny dude fishing with roe yesterday. Caught at least one fish. Called DFO to report but didn't think the officer was too motivated to catch the perp....
ya i saw the same, buddy with the blue heeler caught a 20 lb plus spring on roe
i informed him that there was a bait ban
he continued to use it
he was back this morning caught a nice coho on roe
eventually enough guys must have told him to stop as he switched to plastic after about 4 hours
called dfo twice now
side note a flossed fish at least comes in head first
ive seen many springs now foul hooked and kept at hwy 1 pools
enough that theres no reason the officer shouldnt head down there
if you have 1500 dollars worth of gear that you are using/ wearing and look like a rich prick, tht doesnt mean you are exempt from following the rules
boys and men craning in springs hooked in the back, what lb test are they using lol
first time in my life ive seen guys bonking fish and high fiveing over 30 min battles with tailhooked springs
i guess if you eat the fish its not the end of the world but come on
i most likely for have to look for a more quiet pools on this fishery as what i saw this weekend was quite hilarious and pretty sad,
ive fished areas this packed with people competing for significantly less fish before and ive never really seen this behaviour before, only just from a select few, theres enough guys out there that the fishery could police itself if individuals would speak up, i would like to think im not the only one who sees whats going on
this is my first year out here, im sure its like that every year at that pool
rant over
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Lack of signs for the how to follow regs for dummies out there.. I wonder if it were there if they would even follow it..
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Lack of signs for the how to follow regs for dummies out there.. I wonder if it were there if they would even follow it..
All fishermen have their own responsibility to read the regulation before hand. There is no excuses..!!!!!!!!
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All fishermen have their own responsibility to read the regulation before hand. There is no excuses..!!!!!!!!
Totally agree; however, information help the I'll informed and let's face it now a days everything has to be idiot proofed so a sign could save countless salmon foul or deep hooked which may like die from exhaustion or injury.
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I can guarantee you, that atleast 90% of the people you see retaining snagged salmon on the Cap, know that they are not supposed keep foul hooked salmon. I think it is more of a complete disregard of the rules whether it be the bait ban or snagging/flossing of the salmon. The lack of consequences and deterents(visible officers) for performing these acts, keeps people coming back to the river, day in, and day out to practice these illegal methods of "fishing."
I remember watching an episode of Alaska State Troopers, where they caught someone snaggings sockeyes, and they promplty took away all of there gear, fish and wrote them quite a large fine.
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The Vedder has such a bad reputation for confrontation and unethical fishing techniques, but after 3 years of fishing both systems extensively, I've found The Cap to be so much worse.
Also don't enjoy the snooty attitude of some of the older anglers on Capilano, I've been crowded out of spots countless times by more seasoned fishermen decked out in all of the latest, most expensive gear. And if you try to start a conversation with them, you are either ignored, or get a healthy dose of rude answers.
"Any luck today?"
"Yup"
"Oh great! What did you get?"
"Fish"
"Cool, what did you get it on?"
"Stuff"
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this is my first year out here, im sure its like that every year at that pool
My first year too, and what I saw at highway 1 pool on Thursday was disgusting. Two snaggers running 60 pound braid to 40 pound leader ripping out fish every 15 min. They would drag the fish onto the rocks without identifying it, tail hooked, fin hooked, or belly hooked, and either retain it or throw it back in the water. When they found out that I had threatened to call DFO earlier on an individual who was going to retain a foul hooked fish they started yelling insults at me across the river so I wasn't exactly keen on telling them off. Called DFO (says on RAPP site to call DFO for salmon violations) and stayed for another 90 minutes so I could point the offenders out, but no one came. Ended up reviving four of their released fish, one of which barely revived. In the two and a half hours I was there they must have had nine to ten fish on, none of which were mouth hooked, two of which were illegally retained (one dorsal fin hooked, one hooked below pectoral fins), and and all of which were dragged ten feet onto the shore before being thrown back into the water. One of the fish that they retained they bonked, the other was kicked in the body and left to suffocate on the rocks. They proceeded to laugh about how they were fined $150 dollars last year so ignorance was certainly out of the question, that and they would yell "mouth hooked!" when they retained their two snagged fish. Two white males, late twenties to mid thirties, one wearing black Gibbs Delta t-shirt, both white trash. Went back the next day to see five anglers get stranded on an island in rising water, which thankfully brought some humor to my limited (3x) Capilano experiences.
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Two white males, late twenties to mid thirties, one wearing black Gibbs Delta t-shirt, both white trash.
Be nice, please watch out how you use your words in the pubic forum.
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Fished a mid river pool. 17/19 guys using roe... Left quick and hiked into the canyon for some peace. Guys using roe again. Kept going and and found a nice pool and it was very worth it. Fly fisherman doing very well lately. I don't get it, call in from many different people and not a single CO and EVERYONE is using bait. And let's not even talk about the barbs.
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roe and worms: the gas station at Capilano's HWY 1 exit sells roe and worms year around regardless of the bans in effect.
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Arrived at Highway 1 pool at 0615 today, place looked like a murder scene. Fresh blood everywhere and 15-20 fish worth of fresh roe in two piles, looked like someone had a long night of snagging, probably retained 30-40 fish (assuming 50/50 male/female ratio?). Pulled two massive trebles out of foul hooked fish (not mine, no action on spoons/spinners) with high test mono and braid straight to the hook, and the shank wrapped in pencil lead. Knew it was legal for FN to snag but didn't realize it was done on such a grand scale. Cap noob (4x) so unsure if this is forum worthy or just another day on the Cap.
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Should report it to the authorities. RAPP
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/cos/rapp/form.htm
beyond disgusting.
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I thought they are not allowed to snag on public land?
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Ugh. this is heart breaking.
Saw another snagged today at 4:00. Reported the bastard!
Taking a good zoom camera with me next time.
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All fishermen have their own responsibility to read the regulation before hand. There is no excuses..!!!!!!!!
Problem is, they don't. So what else do we try?
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Arrived at Highway 1 pool at 0615 today, place looked like a murder scene. Fresh blood everywhere and 15-20 fish worth of fresh roe in two piles, looked like someone had a long night of snagging, probably retained 30-40 fish (assuming 50/50 male/female ratio?). Pulled two massive trebles out of foul hooked fish (not mine, no action on spoons/spinners) with high test mono and braid straight to the hook, and the shank wrapped in pencil lead. Knew it was legal for FN to snag but didn't realize it was done on such a grand scale. Cap noob (4x) so unsure if this is forum worthy or just another day on the Cap.
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Assuming those are from the 'caretakers,' of the land, they will probably claim that the coho are for subsistence or religious sacrfices, when in reality, they will most likely be sold out of the back of their pickups, as law enforecement turns a blind eye.
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Arrived at Highway 1 pool at 0615 today, place looked like a murder scene. Fresh blood everywhere and 15-20 fish worth of fresh roe in two piles, looked like someone had a long night of snagging, probably retained 30-40 fish (assuming 50/50 male/female ratio?). Pulled two massive trebles out of foul hooked fish (not mine, no action on spoons/spinners) with high test mono and braid straight to the hook, and the shank wrapped in pencil lead. Knew it was legal for FN to snag but didn't realize it was done on such a grand scale. Cap noob (4x) so unsure if this is forum worthy or just another day on the Cap.
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Whoever it was, looks like they left in a hurry leaving their knife and big mess behind... you'd think if they were worried about getting caught they'd clean up after themselves. Maybe someone spooked them.
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i gotta figure if your going in the middle of the night you most likely arent FN
those look like mostly spring eggs as the skiens are quite large
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That's horse****. DFO better do something or someone will take matters into there own hands and it could end badly. I understand DFO is stretched out. Sad thing is this happens on all rivers every year, these guys just didn't clean up. No respect.
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Looks like they could have anchored a boat with those
Hooks.
Dfo should do a night stake out.
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Can we volunteer to do the DFO's job?
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wow, if those pics dont get dfo out i dont know what will
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Posted a pic on a Poachers Facebook page of the same thing that happened there many years ago and the guys that did it came back to do it again another night and got busted. Bet you guys can't guess where they came from? ;)
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Why are tackle shops selling those size hooks ? Rather obvious what those are going to be used for
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Halibut
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Why are tackle shops selling those size hooks ? Rather obvious what those are going to be used for
Guides were using hooks that size while hali fishing in Kyuquot sound.
However, if someone comes into the shop and buys only large trebles and coiled lead, i would atleast hope they would question the purchasers method of fishing.
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Those photos are so depressing. Please tell me they were sent to DFO. I know there is little chance that the perpetrators will be caught but .... sigh, so sad.
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Need to gather a group of like minded river ambassadors to walk in groups confronting bad fishermen. Enforcement has deteriorated since Harper laid off 1/3 of the DFO staff in BC.
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Should report it to the authorities. RAPP
Filled out the online form and hyperlinked high res versions of the pictures, thanks for the link.
Whoever it was, looks like they left in a hurry leaving their knife and big mess behind... you'd think if they were worried about getting caught they'd clean up after themselves. Maybe someone spooked them.
Neglected to mention that there was a dead gutted fresh spring on the stairs to the pool when we walked down, must have been dropped when hauling their kill. We (father and I) were first on scene, pretty sketchy spot given highway 1 walkway above and residual light from lampposts.
i gotta figure if your going in the middle of the night you most likely arent FN
Fair point, assumed FN (legal retention?) because of how brazen poachers would have to be.
Those photos are so depressing. Please tell me they were sent to DFO. I know there is little chance that the perpetrators will be caught but .... sigh, so sad.
Sent to RAPP via online reporting system. I know DFO has jurisdiction over all Salmon issues but I was unable to find any way to file a report online with them. I would imagine RAPP is regularly called regarding Salmon violations, and has some inter agency cooperation with the DFO.
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That's quite the scene, such a waste of roe what a bunch of scum bags.
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Here is those big Trebles at work...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzhtNkNsv4
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Not trying to stir the pot here - but using bait on the Capilano to me seems less of an issue opposed to bottom bouncing/flossing the Fraser when the sockeye are closed (trying to get a spring) or when other protected species like the interior coho or Thompson steelhead are in, or allowing commercial fishing when other protected species are present. Don't get me wrong, I do not condone contravening the regulations, and I hope DFO shows up some day and busts these guys.
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...and the photos posted by Silver Ghost are quite disturbing. What a mess!
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I bet its not FN fishers.
I coach a lacrosse team and have a number of FN players, some of which fish. We share reports etc so they have told me that they too throw the white springs back as they prefer coho. As well, if you are FN, you dont have to sneak around in the middle of the night to snag a fish.
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I bet its not FN fishers.
I coach a lacrosse team and have a number of FN players, some of which fish. We share reports etc so they have told me that they too throw the white springs back as they prefer coho. As well, if you are FN, you dont have to sneak around in the middle of the night to snag a fish.
Are you serious Gooey?? As a local you should know better! I have disturbing pics from the same pool from early 2000 and the culprits tried to do it again another night and got busted and guess what Gooey, you are wrong!!
About 5-6 years ago a FN teen came up to Keith Road pool and started snagging fish in between us fishermen and as people helled out he continued to whack every fish he snagged. I along with a couple guys reported it and was told they have someone coming out to investigate but when I returned in the afternoon, the teen was gone and the same people that were there in the morning said he had people come down to help him pack out over 25 fish and no site of a fisheries officer the whole day.
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I have never run across natives (off of the reserve area) snagging fish on the cap...I have however seen lots of identifiable groups other than FN abusing the cap in a variety of spots.
Didnt 3 FN guys get busted breaking into the hatchery and netting some fish out of a holding tank...there are always going to be a few numb nutz out there but in general, I see more abuse from other groups.
While certain FN individuals may not always come across as stewards of the land, I think in general, there is a stronger connection and releranve for the environment with FN people than with other cultures that are known for plundering their natural environment.
Bottom line is that if FN are going to be taking fish for their community, the cap is a perfect place to do it: there is no wild run left, the fishery is maintained by a federal hatchery, the springs aren't even nature to the river (I've been told they are harrison stock), there is very little natural spawning grounds, the water is super cold and fluctuates wildly which greatly impacts what little spawing there is, etc, etc.
If I saw this on the seymour, or up either valley it would be a different story but thats not the case....
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This is the problem with the bait ban, it leads to 3 types of fishermen: Fully legal guys, guys who fish roe but won't snag and guys who snag. The guys who snag tend to fish the spots that are easy access and most popular. The guys that fish roe will go into the canyon to not get caught and the guys who are fully legit try to get away from both. Well usually if the legit fishermen outnumber the snaggers, they will force the snaggers away by bitching them out. Now in those spots, the snaggers outnumber the legit guys and there's no self policing.
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there's no self policing.
How do you do self policing without any confrontation, since we have no right.
All we can do is call RAPP line.
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Went out this morning for 2 hours, got one hit on a copper spinner and that is all. Only saw 4 fish in the pool I was fishing, all springs, normally at this time of year it is chockablock full of coho along side the springs... On the bright side, there was a DFO or RCMP officer around the canyon pools this morning.
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Bottom line is that if FN are going to be taking fish for their community, the cap is a perfect place to do it: there is no wild run left, the fishery is maintained by a federal hatchery, the springs aren't even nature to the river (I've been told they are harrison stock), there is very little natural spawning grounds, the water is super cold and fluctuates wildly which greatly impacts what little spawing there is, etc, etc.
If I saw this on the Seymour, or up either valley it would be a different story but thats not the case....
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IMO Fisheries have 2 goals they need to achieve the Capilano River - make sure the Band can take as many fish as they need at the mouth, and ensure enough fish are making their way up tribs like Brothers and to the hatchery to spawn the next round and show the tourists how well we are doing it. I have never seen a fisheries officer on the Cap - and wouldn't think I would see one there during Sockeye season specifically as they are likely (and should) be on the Fraser protecting much larger and more sensitive wild fisheries. Nice to hear they were out this morning as Golfer mentioned - even if it is the RCMP doing DFO work.
Does anyone have one of those wildlife cams we can set up on the stairs overnight and start calling these people out? Public shamings seem like they are going to be the only way anything changes on this river.
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On the bright side, there was a DFO or RCMP officer around the canyon pools this morning.
I thought they would be out this morning.
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Im sure one of you upset Cap fishermen must have nice DSLR with a telephoto lens. Play CIA for the day and sit on the opposite side of the main pools and snap some shots... Past them along to DFO or the News(They love stories they dont have too work hard for or travel great distances)... Sounds like the legit guys aren't doing to well fishing so they might as well snap some pics of these scumbags...
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I bet its not FN fishers.
I coach a lacrosse team and have a number of FN players, some of which fish. We share reports etc so they have told me that they too throw the white springs back as they prefer coho. As well, if you are FN, you dont have to sneak around in the middle of the night to snag a fish.
2nd that
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Probably someone looking to sell cured roe, but got spooked and left the goods.
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Aren't the fish worth more then the roe?
That's probly why it's left behind
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Why don't we, as a fishing community, put pressure on CO's, DFO, and RCMP to have occasional blitzes, working together, on rivers to crack down on violators. I think just doing a few times a year would be a good show of force to ward off violators. They amount of stuff they'd get in seizures would pay for their time to do this.
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I believe they do blitzes. Couple of years ago my buddy and I spotted 7 conservation officers on the Vedder
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Probably someone looking to sell cured roe, but got spooked and left the goods.
Roe weighs a lot less than all the fish they carried out...
Why don't we, as a fishing community, put pressure on CO's, DFO, and RCMP to have occasional blitzes, working together, on rivers to crack down on violators. I think just doing a few times a year would be a good show of force to ward off violators. They amount of stuff they'd get in seizures would pay for their time to do this.
The only problem is there are plenty of resource users expressing dissatisfaction with different fisheries resource management challenges on the forums and amongst each other - much like this thread about poaching - but when it comes time to take initiative and tackle some of these issues, everyone disappears. This is most frustrating.
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I came across this thread via a fishing friend and curious where would be the best place to see this happening? I work for the CBC and am curious to check out the scene to see what's going on. Thoughts?
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I came across this thread via a fishing friend and curious where would be the best place to see this happening? I work for the CBC and am curious to check out the scene to see what's going on. Thoughts?
Chantelle,
It's great to see that you are interested to possibly pick this story up because it's definitely an issue that needs to be addressed. Several problems have been pointed out in this discussion. The Capilano River salmon fishery is in the middle of Metro Vancouver so recreational fishing pressure can be pretty high during certain time of the year (ie. right now when salmon are returning to spawn). Like other recreational fisheries, there are regulations which are designed to protect vulnerable species such as summer steelhead in this river. Some of these regulations include the hook needs to be barbless, no use of bait between August and October and of course there are limits on how many salmon can be harvested and what species cannot be harvested. Among recreational anglers who access the Capilano River, some are unaware of these regulations as they are new to the activity, but you also have users who choose to completely disregard the regulations and can be seen violating the rules on broad daylight due to the lack of enforcement. You also have night time poaching by individuals who intend to harvest as many fish as possible.
My recommendation is for you to go there with an individual who is familiar with these issues. Someone from the Steelhead Society of BC is a good candidate for this. "Silver Ghost" in this discussion is a director of SSBC and if this is something you are interested in, you can email me at info@fishingwithrod.com and I'll provide his contact (or other contacts if he is not available).
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Great idea. The only problem with that is there are plenty of guys gossiping on the public forums about how bad poaching is on a 2km put and take hatchery system, but when the time comes to take initiative, write letters, attend meetings, or generally show any lack of leadership or initiative other than pointing fingers, everyone disappears.
All I can say is thank god for all the volunteer-run grassroots conservationist groups, ENGOs etc.
First of all thanks to all those that do volunteer their spare time to helping the fisheries
Silver, did you not post something the other day that shows your inability to read and follow the regs
i think its a little more than gossip when the evidence is out in plain site
But most guys have jobs, lives and familys that dont allow them to make such commitments to such groups
, Im sure most legit guys do there part while on the river to inform people what the rules are but you cant physically make anyone do anything, well you can but theres consequences
if this was bowmanville creek back home i wouldnt think twice about bootphucking someone into the river that doesnt agree with the regulations, at the cap not really an option as i could see it ending in a manslaughter case
just because its a put and take system doesnt mean, we should rape the fishery, its a great place to go when you only have a bit of time to fish
not to mention i saw about 20 wild fish caught off the beach this summer got 5 myself
ive been down the to cap twice and called the dfo twice never saw an officer which is too bad
if people knew that the ministry or dfo would show up in a reasonable time frame that would scare most guys straight and cause the guy intent on poaching and snagging to have to do a lot more sneaking around instead of fishing unlawfully on a sunday afternoon at the easiest pool to access
why is it my job?, i do my part i follow the regs, purchase the both licenses and pick up what i pack in and whatever other garbage i can see
you want some formwork done or concrete finished call me but as a guy with max 4 or 5 hours most weeks to fish i cant be donating my time to any group,
is that not we we have dfo or the ministry officers in the first place?
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First of all thanks to all those that do volunteer their spare time to helping the fisheries
Silver, did you not post something the other day that shows your inability to read and follow the regs
i think its a little more than gossip when the evidence is out in plain site
But most guys have jobs, lives and familys that dont allow them to make such commitments to such groups
, Im sure most legit guys do there part while on the river to inform people what the rules are but you cant physically make anyone do anything, well you can but theres consequences
if this was bowmanville creek back home i wouldnt think twice about bootphucking someone into the river that doesnt agree with the regulations, at the cap not really an option as i could see it ending in a manslaughter case
just because its a put and take system doesnt mean, we should rape the fishery, its a great place to go when you only have a bit of time to fish
not to mention i saw about 20 wild fish caught off the beach this summer got 5 myself
ive been down the to cap twice and called the dfo twice never saw an officer which is too bad
if people knew that the ministry or dfo would show up in a reasonable time frame that would scare most guys straight and cause the guy intent on poaching and snagging to have to do a lot more sneaking around instead of fishing unlawfully on a sunday afternoon at the easiest pool to access
why is it my job?, i do my part i follow the regs, purchase the both licenses and pick up what i pack in and whatever other garbage i can see
you want some formwork done or concrete finished call me but as a guy with max 4 or 5 hours most weeks to fish i cant be donating my time to any group,
is that not we we have dfo or the ministry officers in the first place?
I re-read my post and realized it didn't convey my message in the way I intended it so I edited.
I'm not saying you have to donate time to any group, I just mean there are other resources at the "weekend angler's" discretion that require a very miimal time commitment, yet still few people step up.
For example, instead of spending the half hour online while waiting for dinner to cook, guys could send a quick note/voicemail to our politicians and resource managers expressing their concern, for this is the only way progress can be made.
And regarding your comment, I believe you have confused my forum name with another member.
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And regarding your comment, I believe you have confused my forum name with another member.
my bad it was another guy named silver
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The RCMP had a member out on the Capilano today; he was checking ID and Fishing Licenses (Highway 1 Bridge).
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Also some disgust I found today at Highway 1 Bridge; Someone decided to gut and fillet their fish on the bank leaving the head and spine behind. (See Photos)
This is pulled from the Provincial Regulations "Leave the head, tail and all fins on your catch until you get them to your permanent (ordinary) residence. We suggest you immediately remove the gills and internal organs of any fish you keep to reduce spoilage."
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Regards;
Deven Prasad
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Watch out...Steven 'Seagull' is Out for Justice on the Capilano!
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A Conservation Officer called me yesterday from Highway 1 Pool to follow up on the report I filed (see page 1). Glad to hear they are out there.
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Whole thing is a sham. Only way to police the mob is to have conservation officers go as normal anglers. Issue a whole bunch of tickets and have all these violators looking over each other's shoulders wondering who is the undercover...
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Whole thing is a sham. Only way to police the mob is to have conservation officers go as normal anglers. Issue a whole bunch of tickets and have all these violators looking over each other's shoulders wondering who is the undercover...
Most likely they will know, as to issue the ticket the officers have to check licenses etc. They would figure out who it is as there arent thay many co's around
Besides, as much of a issue this is, its not important enough to have all the regional staff on the river, leaving countless km's of other rivers wide open...