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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on July 03, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
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Thursday, July 3, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met for its first in-season meeting on Thursday, July 3.
Test fishing programs in Juan de Fuca Strait (Area 20) commenced on June 21, and in the Fraser River at Whonnock on June 23. The Mission acoustics program generated its first official estimate on June 29.
Test fishing catches to date have been less than expected for the time of year, if the Early Stuart run returns at the median forecast abundance level (p50 forecast of 299,000 fish) and expected arrival timing (long-term median date of arrival in Area 20 of July 4). The information currently available, however, is insufficient to allow for an in-season update to the pre-season expectations of either abundance or arrival timing.
The Fraser River peak freshet that occurred in late May has since declined. Current discharge levels at Hope are in the 6500 m3s-1 range.
The next scheduled meeting of the Fraser River Panel is Tuesday, July 8. Regulatory announcements will be issued after every Fraser Panel meeting. The Panel’s first News Release is scheduled for Friday, July 11.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement01.pdf
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Tuesday, July 8, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 8 to receive an update on the migration of Early Stuart sockeye and to review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Early Stuart sockeye are currently tracking below and/or later timed than the pre-season forecast median abundance of 299,000 fish and the historic 50% migration timing through Area 20 of July 4. Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available early in August after their peak migration through marine areas has occurred.
On July 7 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was approximately 5,955 cms, which is approximately 3% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 6 was 16.10 C, which is 1.40C higher than average for this date. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
time.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 11, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement02.pdf
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Rising water temperatures and dropping water levels in the Fraser River could be a major factor in this years sockeye harvest plans. I hope the pressure by all user groups to harvest these fish does not sway fishery managers from putting as many fish as possible on the spawning grounds.
Yeah, right.
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At today's meeting the biologists recommended adopting a revised lower estimate of run size for Early Stuart sockeye. The Fraser Panel said thanks but no thanks. The higher estimate has been retained, which will allow more potential catch on this weak stock. And so it begins.....
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Fraser River Sockeye Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 11, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 11, 2014 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Gill net test fishing began on June 21st, 2014 in Area 20 (Juan de Fuca Strait) July 23rd, 2014 in Area 29 (Fraser River at Whonnock) and July 10th in Area 12 (Round Island). Recent stock identification data indicate that Early Stuart sockeye are the predominant Fraser stock in samples collected from both marine and lower Fraser River test fisheries. The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through July 10th, 2014 is approximately 55,500 fish of which 49,400 are estimated to be Early Stuart sockeye with the remainder Early Summer and Summer stocks.
Forecasts of marine timing and diversion rates have been updated and presented at today’s meeting. The updated diversion rate forecast is for 50% though Johnstone Strait based on the average sea surface temperatures at Kains Island for the months of May and June. This is lower than the previous forecast of 66% diversion through Johnstone Strait. The updated forecast of the 50% marine timing of Early Stuart sockeye through Area 20 is July 7, 2014, which is 3 days later than average. The updated forecast marine timing for Chilko sockeye is August 15, 2014, which is about 4 days later than average.
At today’s meeting the Fraser River Panel adopted an updated run size estimate for Early Stuart sockeye of 189,000 and a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of July 7th, 2014. This run size is the 25% probability level of the pre-season forecast and the marine timing is 3 days later than the pre-season estimate.
River discharge levels have declined slightly to 5,502 cm for July 10, 2014, slightly lower than the historical average discharge on this day (5,957 cm). The water temperature at Qualark is 17.0 degrees Celsius, 1.7 degrees above average for this date. River water temperatures are forecast to reach near record temperatures for the time of year by early next week. If the forecast temperatures are realized, it can be expected that the management adjustment factor for Early Stuart sockeye will increase from the pre-season estimate of 0.86. The Early Stuart management adjustment will be reviewed at the next Fraser Panel meeting. Management adjustments are additional fish that are allowed to migrate into the Fraser system to help achieve spawning escapement targets.
Currently, First Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries have been limited and directed at chinook salmon. A three week window closure to protect Early Stuart sockeye remains in place for marine and in-river FSC fisheries. Limited in-river FSC fisheries targeting chinook are being conducted at this time.
Based on current assessments, there is no Total Allowable Catch of Early Stuart sockeye available for directed harvest except for the terminal area where a modest directed fishery is permitted. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions for their local area. There are no planned commercial or recreational fisheries at this time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 15, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0616
Sent July 11, 2014 at 14:52
Visit us on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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Friday, July 11, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 11 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The daily abundances of Early Stuart sockeye continue to be less than expected if the run is returning at the median forecast level of 299,000 fish and with a 50% marine arrival timing through Area 20 of July 4th. Therefore, at the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel approved a lower run size with later timing; adopting the p25 forecast abundance level of 189,000 Early Stuart sockeye with 50% marine timing through Area 20 of July 7th. Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance should be available in early August after their peak migration through marine areas has occurred.
On July 10, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 5,502 cms, which is approximately 8% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 10 was 17 C, which is 1.7 C higher than average for this date. Over the next several days water temperatures in the Fraser River are forecast to exceed historic temperatures for the date. If those temperatures materialize, an increase to the management adjustment for Early Stuart sockeye may be required. Fraser River discharge levels and water temperatures will be monitored closely to determine if specific management actions are required during the in-river migratory period to help achieve sockeye escapement goals.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 15, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement03.pdf
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reading these reports and seeing the natives out there just baffles the mind, are we reassured that they will release the socks the inadvertently catch or not.
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I think they use 8 inch mesh for springs and most sockeye go through.
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reading these reports and seeing the natives out there just baffles the mind, are we reassured that they will release the socks the inadvertently catch or not.
YOU R ADORABLE!
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reading these reports and seeing the natives out there just baffles the mind, are we reassured that they will release the socks the inadvertently catch or not.
If you are concerned and baffled by how the Fraser River fisheries are managed, you're welcome to get involved by joining an existing organization which has a representation at the Lower and Upper Fraser River Sport Fishing Advisory Committees. Getting worked up on speculations and pounding sand in every thread of an online discussion forum is a waste of your and everyone else's time.
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If you are concerned and baffled by how the Fraser River fisheries are managed, you're welcome to get involved by joining an existing organization which has a representation at the Lower and Upper Fraser River Sport Fishing Advisory Committees. Getting worked up on speculations and pounding sand in every thread of an online discussion forum is a waste of your and everyone else's time.
Great post, I concur.
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Curious as to they the data? It does not match the data on this site http://www.wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/text_search/search_e.html?search_by=p®ion=BC or am I misreading it?
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Curious as to they the data? It does not match the data on this site http://www.wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/text_search/search_e.html?search_by=p®ion=BC or am I misreading it?
cms = cubic meters per second.
You're looking at river level, not discharge. Switch the parameter to discharge and you'll get the results reflected in the reports.
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Rodney, I was reading the paragraph under the levels.I did the redraw using discharge and I see the numbers but it seems it is higher now then this time last year.
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I have no idea what you are reading unless you C&P it into a quote.
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If you are concerned and baffled by how the Fraser River fisheries are managed, you're welcome to get involved by joining an existing organization which has a representation at the Lower and Upper Fraser River Sport Fishing Advisory Committees. Getting worked up on speculations and pounding sand in every thread of an online discussion forum is a waste of your and everyone else's time.
I really wish there was a like button Rodney...
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"The most recent primary water level recorded is 6.655 metres at 2014-07-11 17:10:00 local standard time. The latest water level measurement obtained was 8.356 metres at 2014-06-04 13:45:00. The latest discharge measurement conducted at 2014-06-04 12:56:46 was 8756.83 cubic metres per second with a mean water level of 8.361 metres. This discharge deviates by 1.44% from rating curve 12 which is the active rating curve for the station. Provisional discharges are computed based on the active rating curve with temporary shifts where applicable. If the deviation from the curve is more than 5%, the discharge time series may be inaccurate and will be revised for final publication following detailed review of water level and discharge records"
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thanks and yes I did get involved recently, joined the Nicomekl Enhancement Society so I can give back what I took/take out so conservation. Although I am a junior member I am most likely much older then you and really have rarely joined in any discussion, however recent events brought to our hatcherys' attention is prompting me to get more vocal in attention to assisting with the hatcherys success.
I appreciate your comments though.
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Tuesday, July 15, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 15 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run size estimate of 189,000 Early Stuart was unchanged. It is early in the marine migration of Early Summer run sockeye through marine assessment areas and assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing.
On July 14, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,919 cms, which is approximately 14% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 14 was 17.8C, which is 2.1C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to increase to 19.3C over the next few days. At the meeting today the Panel adopted an Early Stuart proportional management adjustment of 2.12. Sustained exposure of sockeye to Fraser River water temperatures in this range may slow their migration and cause elevated levels of pre-spawn mortality.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 18, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement04.pdf
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Bad news for migrating sockeye if the Fraser hits 20° or higher for even a few days. I'm surprised the panel is not reporting Nechako and Stuart River temperatures which in most years are warmer than the Fraser.
No worries yet for future sockeye harvesters as the fish you will most likely be fishing for, some Chilko but mainly the Shuswap component, are not in the river yet.
If temperatures don't moderate by August though there are going to be some tough calls by fishery managers.
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Bad news for migrating sockeye if the Fraser hits 20° or higher for even a few days. I'm surprised the panel is not reporting Nechako and Stuart River temperatures which in most years are warmer than the Fraser.
No worries yet for future sockeye harvesters as the fish you will most likely be fishing for, some Chilko but mainly the Shuswap component, are not in the river yet.
If temperatures don't moderate by August though there are going to be some tough calls by fishery managers.
Indeed, if you look back at Rod's update from this time in 2010, you will notice the river was much lower (4,500 cms discharge as opposed to 4,900) but one degree cooler. I would think that higher water would be cooler because it would mean more snow melt? Warm water does make it a tough call for fisheries managers - do you allow sport anglers to catch a good portion of those fish that are going to die anyway because of the warm temps? Of course, this also reminds me that in 2009 one of the theorized factors of the missing sockeye was high water temps.
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FN0635-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye Update - Areas 11 to 29 - July 15, 2014 (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161101&ID=all)
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 15, 2014 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of Fraser sockeye through Juan de Fuca Strait has been decreasing
over the past six days as indicated by the declining catches in the Area 20
gillnet test fishery. The Whonnock test fishery showed an increase in catch
over the past week. Area 12 gillnet fishery began on July 10th, 2014 and catch
levels are relatively low but consistent with expectations for this period.
Recent stock ID analyses indicate that the proportion of Early Stuart sockeye
in the Juan de Fuca test fisheries is decreasing but most recent samples still
contributing 41% and 46% respectively. In the Area 12 gillnet test fishery
Early Stuart sockeye are present in higher proportions than normally seen. In-
river, Early Stuart continues to be the largest proportion (80%) with Early
Summers making up the majority of the balance with low percentages of Summers
(Harrison) beginning to show in the samples.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through July 14th, 2014
is approximately 135,100 fish in total of which 111,000 are estimated to be
Early Stuart sockeye, 14,400 Early Summer run and 9,700 Summer run.
River discharge levels have declined over the past week to a level of about
4,919 cms for July 14, 2014, which is below the historical average discharge on
this day (5,729 cms. Water temperature at Qualark is 17.8 degrees Celsius, 2.1
degrees above average of 15.7 degrees for this date and temperatures are
forecast to rise to over 19 degrees over the next week.
At today's meeting the Fraser River Panel did not change the run size estimate
for Early Stuart sockeye of 189,000, with a mid-point migration date of July
7th, 2014 in Area 20 but did approve an increase in the management adjustment
factor from the pre-season estimate of 0.89 to the new level of 2.12.
Management adjustments are used to determine the additional amount of fish that
are allowed to escape upstream to help achieve spawning escapement targets for
Fraser River sockeye.
Currently, First Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries have been
limited and directed at chinook salmon. A three week window closure to protect
Early Stuart sockeye remains in place for in-river and marine FSC fisheries.
Limited in-river FSC fisheries targeting chinook are being conducted at this
time.
Based on current assessments, there is no Total Allowable Catch of Early Stuart
sockeye available for directed harvest except for the terminal area where a
modest directed fishery is permitted. Fishers are requested to check updated
times and restrictions for their local area. There are no planned commercial or
recreational fisheries at this time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July
18, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0635
Sent July 16, 2014 at 1338
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...At today's meeting the Fraser River Panel did not change the run size estimate
for Early Stuart sockeye of 189,000, with a mid-point migration date of July
7th, 2014 in Area 20 but did approve an increase in the management adjustment
factor from the pre-season estimate of 0.89 to the new level of 2.12.
Management adjustments are used to determine the additional amount of fish that
are allowed to escape upstream to help achieve spawning escapement targets for
Fraser River sockeye...
Can someone illuminate as to the significance of this management adjustment factor and how it’s calculated and applied?
Obviously it’s important to achieve escapement goals required to sustain the runs, and I’ve been looking at some of the notices from previous years to see what the range of values is, but it’s not so obvious as to what it actually means.
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Can someone illuminate as to the significance of this management adjustment factor and how it’s calculated and applied?
Obviously it’s important to achieve escapement goals required to sustain the runs, and I’ve been looking at some of the notices from previous years to see what the range of values is, but it’s not so obvious as to what it actually means.
This is very technical but if you wade through it you will get more information, or just go to the discussion ...
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/331503.pdf
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One F/N net took 50 on the Saturday opening and another 15, saw pictures of another capture, with a lot of chinook and sockeye too.
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This is very technical but if you wade through it you will get more information, or just go to the discussion ...
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/331503.pdf
Thank you this is great info. I havent been able to look at it in much detail yet but I'll definitely aim to make my way through it...
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Great info Dave.
Cheers!
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Friday, July 18, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 18 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run size estimate of 189,000 Early Stuart sockeye was increased to 240,000 fish. The 50% marine migration timing of Early Stuart sockeye through Area 20 is estimated to be July 9, which is 2 days later than the pre-season forecast of July 7. Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing.
On July 17, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,518 cms, which is approximately 20% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 17 was 18.8C, which is 2.8C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to decrease to 17.9C over the next few days. At the meeting today the Early Stuart proportional management adjustment factor of 2.12 was unchanged. Sustained exposure of sockeye to Fraser River water temperatures in this range may slow their migration and cause elevated levels of pre-spawn mortality.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 22, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement05.pdf
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For a bit more information on environmental conditions than the Fraser Panel sends out, check out DFO's Environmental Watch program.
There is a ton of information on this site and if you dig a bit, check out how many times Dave Patterson's name comes up in the bibliography .... he has to hold the record for publications by still employed DFO scientists.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/habitat/frw-rfo/index-eng.html
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Can someone illuminate as to the significance of this management adjustment factor and how it’s calculated and applied?
Obviously it’s important to achieve escapement goals required to sustain the runs, and I’ve been looking at some of the notices from previous years to see what the range of values is, but it’s not so obvious as to what it actually means.
This is the calculation.
Total Allowable Catch (TAC) = Total Run Size - Spawning Escapement Target (SET).
This is calculated for each run timing group (Early Stuart, Early Summer, Summer, Late).
The Management Adjustment is applied to the SET to allow for extra spawners to get upriver to reach the spawning grounds. A higher pMA means a higher expected rate of En Route Mortality (ERM). So, if the SET for Early Stuart is 150,000 (a made up number, I don't know what it actually is), then with a pMA of 2.12 you multiply 150K*2.12= ~318K, add that to the existing SET, and you have a new SET of 150K + 318K = 468K. This is how many sockeye need to be allowed up river to get 150K on the grounds.
So, if the run size is 240K, and the SET is 468K, there is ZERO TAC on the Early Stuarts.
Once again, i made up the SET number. It isn't reported in the public Panel releases, so you can't actually do the calculation unless you have access to the actual calls, and I'm not going to post the SET here if the Panel isn't reporting it. Long story short, higher pMA, higher the number of fish that need to be let upriver, less TAC.
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Thanks for the cipher, dnibbles! First time I've been able to make sense of it :)
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Great info dnibbles! Thanks
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Here are the San Juan sockeye test fishery results for 2014 plotted against 2009 and 2010. These are raw numbers not normalized for the number of sets but they are usually similar.
(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/123VAGAbond/SanJuanGillnetTestFishery.png) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/123VAGAbond/media/SanJuanGillnetTestFishery.png.html)
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Great graphic and run timing is so important ... another week or 10 days should tell us a lot more.
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Great graphic and run timing is so important ... another week or 10 days should tell us a lot more.
I noticed that too at the end of the article that you linked, Dave.
Page 49 & 50 show the timing of the late summer runs.
Interesting to note that the runs that coinside with this year (1994, 1998, 2002) all enter the river much later than other year's runs.
Numbers at Mission don't start to climb until the beginning of September then peak around mid-September.
The other year's runs start to climb in early August and end by mid-September.
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Tuesday, July 22, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 22 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run size estimate of 240,000 Early Stuart sockeye and a 50% marine migration timing of July 9 was unchanged. Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing.
On July 21, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,367 cms, which is approximately 18% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 21 was 17.9C, which is 1.3C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to decrease to 17.2C over the next few days. At the meeting today, the Early Stuart proportional management adjustment factor of 2.12 was unchanged. Sustained exposure of sockeye to Fraser River water temperatures in this range may slow their migration and cause elevated levels of pre-spawn mortality.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, July 25, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement06.pdf
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Friday, July 25, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, July 25 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run size estimate of 240,000 Early Stuart sockeye and a 50% marine migration timing of July 9 was unchanged. The Early Stuart 50% marine migrating timing of July 9 is 2 days later than the final pre-season forecast of July 7 and 5 days later than the long-term median timing of July 4. At the meeting today, the Early Stuart proportional management adjustment factor was changed from 2.12 to 1.96. Assessments of Early Summer- run sockeye abundance are ongoing and run-size estimates should be available in early August after their peak migration through marine areas.
On July 24, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,903 cms, which is average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 24 was 17.1C, which is average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to increase to 18.5C over the next few days.
All commercial fisheries in Panel Area waters remain closed to fishing at the present time.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, July 29, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement07.pdf
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man it looks like that Summer storm sure brought the water levels and temperatures back to average for this time of year.
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That storm probably saved thousands of Early Stuart and Early summer sockeye, especially since the Nechako and Stuart rivers temperature have dropped below 20° ... now the next fish returning are about to find more warm water. Tough year to be an early or summer run sockeye.
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Ya temps in the interior about to be in the mid 30's in a few days again...
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I was going to do a hydrometric chart comparison of water temps, but to my surprise found 2013 as far back as I can go.... :(
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The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 29, 2014 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye past the Mission hydroacoustic site continues to be
modest to date. Test fishing catches in the Area 12 and 13 seine fisheries
have increased in recent days, while Area 20 and gillnet fisheries in marine
areas and in river continue at modest levels.
Recent stock identification analyses indicate a low proportion of Early Stuart
sockeye remaining in the samples from some marine test fisheries. In the
Fraser River, the proportions of each stock in the most recent samples are 5%
Early Stuart, 45% Early Summers and 50% Summers (mostly Harrison River).
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through July 28th is
482,200 fish in total of which 211,400 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 131,600 Early Summer run, 134,200 Summer run and 5,000 Late Run.
River discharge levels have decreased slightly over the past week to a level of
4,765 cms for July 28, which is very near the historical average discharge for
this date (4,755 cms). Water temperature at Qualark is 17.8 degrees Celsius,
which is 0.3 degrees Celsius above the average temperature for this date.
Water temperatures are forecast to increase over the coming days and discharge
levels are expected to remain slightly below average for this period.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to the adopted run
size or management adjustments for Early Stuart sockeye. Management
adjustments are additional fish that are allowed to escape upstream to help
achieve spawning escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
Based on current assessments, the migration of Early Stuart sockeye is nearly
completed through the marine areas and the lower river and FSC fisheries
targeting Early Summer and Summer run sockeye are being planned. Fishers are
requested to check updated times and restrictions for their local area.
Commercial fishery planning is ongoing for Area B, D and H to begin fisheries
targeting Early Summer and Summer run sockeye. The earliest possible fishery
for Area D gillnet would be Saturday, August 2 and the earliest possible
fisheries for Areas B and H would be Monday August 4. Decisions on fishing
plans will be confirmed following the next Fraser Panel meeting on Friday,
August 1.
Retention of sockeye in Marine recreational fisheries is expected to begin as
early as Friday, August 1. A separate fishery notice will be issued to confirm
details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August
1, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0711
Sent July 29, 2014 at 1613
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Tuesday, July 29, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, July 29 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing and run-size estimates should be available in early August after their peak migration through marine areas.
On July 28, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,765 cms, which is average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 28 was 17.8 C, which is average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to reach 20.5C over the next few days. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely over the next several weeks and appropriate management actions will be taken.
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to fishing.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Open to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Thursday, July31, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 2, 2014.
NON INDIAN FISHERY:
Remains closed to fishing.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 1, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement08.pdf
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South Coast marine waters sockeye salmon openings, Friday August 1st (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161745&ID=all)
Fraser River mouth and tidal portion of the Fraser River sockeye salmon openings, Sunday August 3rd (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161749&ID=all)
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let the gong show begin ;D
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The true gong is rung when they open the Fraser, boat have a bit more room and you have to be able to somewhat fish to catch them...
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Ya, right now only for the 'rich' with a boat unless you can somehow get a sockeye to bite your lure casted from shore (highly unlikely). ;D
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I have never fished tidal before so where would someone start for socks off shore and boat.
appreciate some info.
thanks
Ron
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Even people with boats like myself, have no clue how to catch a sockeye in the tidal.
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If you guys use the search engine here or on sportfishingbc.com there is more info than one can use. Just takes a little leg work. Really slow troll with pink squirts and dummy flashers is the ticket I hear.
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Sparce pink hoochies and green flashers - may be out on Friday to try it for the first time.
Fairly shallow - 20 to 30 feet early morning / 50 to 60 feet later.
Rumours the tidal portion of the Fraser will open on Sunday.
Edit: now posted http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161749&ID=all
Open August 3 with 4 per day in the tidal portion of the river as rumoured (the rumour being 4 per day this time).
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Rumours the tidal portion of the Fraser will open on Sunday.
Rumour? I posted up the fishery notice for it already...
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Was fishing the Banana (area 29) this am.
Nothing other than one grilse.
Never seen any Sockeye jump so take it for what its worth.
Im giving it another week or so and should be game on for some slabs.
Might try for some Sockeye too but I usually just buy them all at once from the fishermans wharf and get all the canning out of the way.
Was a nice day to be out with buddy taking a couple Crabs home.
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Humpy,,shorter leaders also, I put a post out there but I had no bites, 27 inch leaders is what I have always used along with Easywaters instruction..good luck
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Awesome, our BBQ is ready!
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Use a downrigger stack multiple flashers and use a green hoochie. Not sure if it will work in the dirty fraser but at the mouth in clean water it will work. Google it.
Sockeye Salmon were until recently the least understood of the Pacific salmon but also considered the best tasting. While all other species of salmon were studied relatively easily, not much was known about Sockeye salmon. Most of what was known about their life cycle was as small juveniles and as mature salmon, but not much about the rest of their life. It was easy to catch a Chinook or Coho and open them up to see inside their stomachs. Sockeye however, were only caught commercially in nets as mature salmon, so studying these salmon was more difficult.
Sockeye are thought to feed on plankton, however, sports fisherman catch them on many different lures that look nothing like plankton. Personally, I have caught sockeye on large hutchies that look like squid, anchovies and small spoons. When Sockeye near the river, they often bite on small 1-2 inch hutchies that are pink, red or orange. The best action seems to come when the sockeye are all “schooled up” and 4-6 lines are rigged with 4-6 flashers making noise and drawing attention.
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Just head up to Tsawwassen to the ferry terminals, park, launch boat, shoot across the 6 ferry lanes and you'd better be careful and cautious when doing it. Then using a very well trimmed pink hootchie and a green apex down about 30 to 45 feet and you're Bob's uncle.
Used to go up there many a time before I sold my little 12 footer and used the same technique many times during sockeye season and would usually be on my way home with four beauties before 10 am. Good Luck and good fishing All !!!!
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well trimmed hootchie AND a green apex?
Could you explain this a litte better?
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Trimmed hootchies mean cutting half of the legs out of the squirt. As far as the apex I think he means run a squirt on one side and an apex on the other. Everyone I have talked to say to run at least one dummy flasher off the ball and one on your gear. I believe that it should look like a disco below your boat haha. Obviously opinions vary.
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I'm trying to understand where and when the commercial boats will be working. From what I can see, troll, gillnet, and seine fisheries will be working almost simultaneously through the coast. Area numbers are somewhat confusing. Can anyone sum up the three commercial openings that affect the Fraser run?
And anyone heard of native openings?
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Trimmed hootchies mean cutting half of the legs out of the squirt. As far as the apex I think he means run a squirt on one side and an apex on the other. Everyone I have talked to say to run at least one dummy flasher off the ball and one on your gear. I believe that it should look like a disco below your boat haha. Obviously opinions vary.
Oh ok.
I know what a trimmed hootchie is and which type etc. but was wondering if maybe trolling the hootchie behind the Apex.
What a rush that would be without the flasher. :)
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I was wondering if the northern arm would be any good for Sockeye?
Or the south arm is the their main path?
Thanks!
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Friday, August 1, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 1 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing and run-size estimates should be available in early August after their peak migration through marine areas.
On July 31, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 4,075 cms, which is approximately 11% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on July 31 was 18.4C, which is 0.7C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures are forecast to reach 20.7C over the next few days. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely over the next several weeks and appropriate management actions will be taken.
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Remain closed to fishing.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open to drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Thursday, July31, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 2, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extend for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 2, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 6, 2014.
NON INDIAN FISHERY:
Remains closed to fishing.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 5, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement09.pdf
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FN0738-Salmon - Fraser River Sockeye Update - Areas 11 to 29 - August 1, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met on Friday, August 1, 2014 to receive an update on
the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye through marine and lower Fraser River assessment areas
as well as past the Mission hydroacoustic site has increased over the past
week. Catches in the Area 12 and 13 seine test fisheries have remained above
average for this period, while Area 20 seine and gillnet test fisheries in
marine areas continue to be lower than average and expected. In river test
fisheries have shown increased catches in recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses from the Area 12 purse seine test fishery
indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of approximately 21% Early Summer-run,
66% Summer-run sockeye, and 13% Late-run. In the Fraser River, the proportions
of each stock in the most recent samples are 22% Early Summers, 78% Summers
(mostly Harrison River).
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through July 31st is
614,500 fish in total of which 218,000 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 176,200 Early Summer run, 214,800 Summer run and 5,500 Late Run.
River discharge levels have decreased over the past week to a level of 4,075
cms on July 31, which is 11 percent below the historical average discharge for
this date (4,569 cms). Water temperature at Qualark is 18.4 degrees Celsius,
which is 0.7 degrees Celsius above the average temperature for this date.
Water temperatures are forecast to increase significantly in the coming days
and discharge levels are expected to remain below average for this period.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to the adopted run
size or management adjustments for any of the run timing groups. Management
adjustments are additional fish that are allowed to escape upstream to help
achieve spawning escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
FSC fisheries targeting Early Summer and Summer run sockeye in marine areas and
the Fraser River are ongoing or being planned. Fishers are requested to check
updated times and restrictions for their local area.
The commercial Area D gillnet fishery will open for 38 hours beginning 18:00
Saturday, August 2 in portions of Areas 11, 12 and 13. Details for this
fishery will be posted in a separate fishery notice. The earliest possible
fishery for Area B and H commercial seine and troll fisheries will be
Wednesday, August 6. Decisions on fishing plans will be confirmed following
the next Fraser Panel meeting on Tuesday, August 5.
Retention of sockeye in Marine recreational fisheries began today, August 1.
Retention of sockeye in lower river recreational fisheries will begin Sunday,
August 3. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday,
August 5, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0738
Sent August 1, 2014 at 1513
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161870&ID=all
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtBrsdfnhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtBrsdfnhs)
Subject: FN0744-RECREATIONAL - Salmon - Region 2 - Fraser and Harrison Rivers - Fraser sockeye retention - August 6, 2014
The current status of the Fraser River sockeye salmon return provides for
recreational sockeye retention opportunities in Region 2 (Fraser and Harrison
Rivers).
Effective once hour before sunrise Wednesday, August 6th, 2014 until further
notice, in the following waters, the daily limit for recreationally caught
sockeye is two (2) per day:
- Fraser River waters in Region 2(non-tidal Fraser River); and
- that portion of the Harrison River downstream of the Highway 7 Bridge to the
confluence with the Fraser River.
Anglers are reminded that fishing is allowed during daylight hours only.
Daylight hours only refers to one hour before sunrise to one hour after sunset
as calculated by the National Research Council of Canada and published daily in
the Vancouver Sun and Province.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=161906&ID=all
Fishing the tribs for reds will be more peaceful after Wednesday... ;D
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I got no boat so I have to floss , I'm happy !!
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I got no boat so I have to floss , I'm happy !!
An proud of it? *shakes head*
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Like if I had a boat I would fish for sockeye in the salt or Harrison where they bite , I'd prefer not to floss but I don't mind at the same time , I still get out there and enjoy the day . I am happy for the announcement opening not about the pride in flossing .
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On second thought, I don't want to stir the pot and poke a stick at flytech when it's so hot out :)
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You can fish the Harrison without a boat FYI.... I will most likely just buy my sockeye from the commercial fisherman on the Fraser. Usually about $15/each which I can buy as many as I want in one trip and not be restricted to just two fish per trip where gas prices makes those fish very expensive.
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Im thinking if this run is half as good as they say it will be,you will be able to get them for $10.00 at the wharf.
Time to dig out the jars and lids etc.
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Do the commercial guys leave the guts and roe in the fish?
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I view it as a harvest fishery.
I show up for my limit of food and leave.
On the other hand tossing sedges into the weedbed at Lac Le Juene hooking into nice size rainbows at 9PM on water as calm as glass......now that's fishing.
Flossing Sockeye?? Not fishing....but I'm still going to do it because I like to eat them.
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Sockeye fishing in the fraser is a meat fishery, I don't understand some people, once you catch your limit, you should leave and let someone else have a chance.
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that is ridiculous. its a meat fishery but its also fun to just play fish too.
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Why don't the holier than thou fishermen just leave it at that? Every year, same debate, same bashing. It is a legal fishing and Canada is a free country where every one is free to choose. There is no need to bend every one to your line of thinking about fishing. For what I know, there are some people thinking we fishermen are the most cruel people in the world enjoying to torture a fish for personal enjoyment. So those who want to go for the fishery, Wednesday August 6 is the date. Those who don't, get yourself a boat so you can enjoy bar fishing. To each its own.
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Why don't the holier than thou fishermen just leave it at that? Every year, same debate, same bashing. It is a legal fishing and Canada is a free country where every one is free to choose. There is no need to bend every one to your line of thinking about fishing. For what I know, there are some people thinking we fishermen are the most cruel people in the world enjoying to torture a fish for personal enjoyment. So those who want to go for the fishery, Wednesday August 6 is the date. Those who don't, get yourself a boat so you can enjoy bar fishing. To each its own.
Agreed 100%, I can swing flies on the bulkley, skeena and tribs with my double hander, I can fish all types of water with my pin and catch lots of steelhead, I dry fly and chorinomid fish every spring in the interior, but guess what I also enjoy flossing for sockeye. I assume there is lots of other similar people on here also, so lets all leave the holier then thou attitudes at home and enjoy putting some meat in the freezer.
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the price should come down pretty quick to 8 - 10 bucks a sockeye once the fraser commercial boats start bringing their haul to shore. not gonna fish for them at all........the price of gas makes that decision pretty easy....plus the temperatures outside it gets unbearable to kill yourself for just 2 sockeye.
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If the run is big enough I know Rodney had mentioned one of the sport rec groups maybe pushing for a 4 fish limit to get people off the river instead of killing the 2 now allowed and then still fishing to get a spring. I'm not sure if there is any update on that? I know the interior was open to 4 in some areas in 2010.
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Sockeye fishing in the fraser is a meat fishery, I don't understand some people, once you catch your limit, you should leave and let someone else have a chance.
I totally agree. Also the fish that I don't catch and release has a much better chance of making it to the spawning grounds than the one I tire out, get it to the beach and let it go.BTW I too am a flosser when I get the chance to go out fishing, which hasn't been very often.
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Let's be honest. I fish for steelhead and flyfish for trout & coho too. But when it comes to sockeye, it is purely a meat fishery because sockeye taste good. I don't consider it sporty to make a few casts to get 2 sock & bleed it for sushi, and then head home. There is no walking the river and reading water like you do for steelhead or looking for the hatch to match your fly for trout. This is just a silly activity for meat. No more no less. If I can buy 2 sushi grade sockeye for cheap, I am out of the sockeye fishing business. The 2 sockeye limit has been in place over 20 years when gas was peanut compared to now. It is getting ridiculous and no fun to drive 3-4 hours total time an all that car mileage for 2 sockeyes and spending $30-$50 gas when you can buy 2 fish for $20-$25. It is also getting difficult to find parking. At Scale Bar, you need to spend another $10 parking to get to the bar. Now 2 of the 4 major sockeye bars seem to be shut down by the natives (ridiculous). Super crowded fishing will be the norm. The costs add up and the fishing more hectic with crowd. If your intent is to bbq the fsh, it is better off to just buy the gill-netted fish which have not been bled.
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Come Wednesday I flee to the Thompson River to get away from the mayhem, some will say good, one less person on the river.
The Leaf Craft gets very upset seeing what goes on during this activity and goes into dry dock but she is trying to talk me into float fishing for them in the Harrison like we did a few years ago, we used ghost scrimp and did well on the ones that took a liking to our offering.
I also dread all the garbage that will be left behind like happened 4 years ago when a few of us went out there after it ended to clean it up the miles and miles of line. We had only a handful taking part, maybe the FVSS will organize it again this year or maybe those that are responsible people and floss will take a bag and try to set an example of what everyone should be doing.
PS will the first fight be recorded on opening day? :-X :-[ ::) :o :(
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PS will the first fight be recorded on opening day? :-X :-[ ::) :o :(
I have no clue what you're talking about Chris. I've been fishing this fishery when its open for years and have never seen a fight. And as far as garbage left behind by flosser's I can quite assure you that they would have to go some to beat the mess left on the Vedder year in and year out. Fight's !!! What ????
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The bar we fished for sockeye never had such problem as Chris mentioned. So don't know what he was talking about either. Garbage issue is not confined to sockeye bar. So don't try to brand sockeye fishermen as irresponsible, please. No need further stereotyping of sockeye fishermen. Let's hope less people will come out for the sockeye as it is getting too expensive gas wise to go for just 2 small sockeye. The 5 major land-acccess sockeye bars - Scale, Laidlaw, Seabird, Snaggy & Peg Leg, now only 2 left and Peg is too deep to bounce for sockeye. Scale Bar no parking, meaning another $10 for parking in private land owner's property. Plus you need to dress up full battle gear (deep wading) for Scale Bar. How crowded will these bars be when the Seabird & Snaggy crowds show up in the other bars? If some commercial fishermen can provide bled sockeye at $12 to $15 a fish, I think a lot of Asian fishermen who love sockeye for raw fish will not bother to spend on all that gas money for 2 sox per day.
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I have no clue what you're talking about Chris. I've been fishing this fishery when its open for years and have never seen a fight. And as far as garbage left behind by flosser's I can quite assure you that they would have to go some to beat the mess left on the Vedder year in and year out. Fight's !!! What ????
Sorry to say it will all happen, reports will come in on both issue.
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Not proud to say but was out on the tidal bouncing.. And nothing caught or saw except drift netters with seals following and a massive sturgeon jump. Lost 4 Bettie's 5 hooks and 3 hours of my day. First spot was too deep, second spot was too deep, third spot was too Snaggy on a 65lbs braid line that was about 50+ yards long which I found out after lost most of the above gear. 5th spot was too Snaggy from that braided line still dangling but I gained a betty after I freed that 65lbs braided line..
No skill involved with BB'n? I contest that but only took me 3 hrs to master it. As for greater amount of beeks BB'n? True to that. Numbers won't lie. More fishermen and easier way to catch rather than fish = more % of beeks. Example: greater Number of skilled anglers who fly fish or chase winter steelhead.
Well next trip will definitely kayak salmon fishing with a crab trap out or the skagit or possibility of a cool water lake.. Was this my first and last time BB'n outting prob not unless DFO bans it..
Have some respect and leave it the way you found it. Pass it on.
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Let's be honest. I fish for steelhead and flyfish for trout & coho too. But when it comes to sockeye, it is purely a meat fishery because sockeye taste good. I don't consider it sporty to make a few casts to get 2 sock & bleed it for sushi, and then head home. There is no walking the river and reading water like you do for steelhead or looking for the hatch to match your fly for trout. This is just a silly activity for meat. No more no less. If I can buy 2 sushi grade sockeye for cheap, I am out of the sockeye fishing business. The 2 sockeye limit has been in place over 20 years when gas was peanut compared to now. It is getting ridiculous and no fun to drive 3-4 hours total time an all that car mileage for 2 sockeyes and spending $30-$50 gas when you can buy 2 fish for $20-$25. It is also getting difficult to find parking. At Scale Bar, you need to spend another $10 parking to get to the bar. Now 2 of the 4 major sockeye bars seem to be shut down by the natives (ridiculous). Super crowded fishing will be the norm. The costs add up and the fishing more hectic with crowd. If your intent is to bbq the fsh, it is better off to just buy the gill-netted fish which have not been bled.
liketofish - which 2 bars have been shut down by natives?
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Sorry - found my answer here:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=36118.0
Thanks!
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I am going to try chucking a fly later this week on the lower. See what happens. Even if I don't catch anything still great to be out on the river have a cold beverage and maybe get a fish or two. I have a small boat, just big enough to get away from the crowds.
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Come Wednesday I flee to the Thompson River to get away from the mayhem, some will say good, one less person on the river.
Some may say good but most won't care.
The Leaf Craft gets very upset seeing what goes on during this activity and goes into dry dock but she is trying to talk me into float fishing for them in the Harrison like we did a few years ago, we used ghost scrimp and did well on the ones that took a liking to our offering.
sounds like fun
I also dread all the garbage that will be left behind like happened 4 years ago when a few of us went out there after it ended to clean it up the miles and miles of line. We had only a handful taking part, maybe the FVSS will organize it again this year or maybe those that are responsible people and floss will take a bag and try to set an example of what everyone should be doing.
I don't understand how garbage is a sockeye issue. As someone who has participated with his kids and grandkids in the Vedder cleanup I don't see how, except for numbers, how flossers are any different from steelheaders.
PS will the first fight be recorded on opening day? :-X :-[ ::) :o :(
See above, fights are fights and I have seen just as many,per capita, on the Vedder as the Fraser.
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I've seen fights on both vedder and fraser. Although, fights on the vedder are usually result of fish related activity. fights on the fraser are usually because of a 4 oz weight going through someones windshield or "stealing" someones spot
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Did someone mention combat fishing ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ca0Oq3IMQ
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Let the games begin
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/MMace/Mobile%20Uploads/5928D0AE-11E5-45AA-B829-54627789F7B6_zpssgvaprue.jpg) (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/MMace/media/Mobile%20Uploads/5928D0AE-11E5-45AA-B829-54627789F7B6_zpssgvaprue.jpg.html)
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Once the numbers of fish passing through pick up, it is not impossible to actually SPORT fish sockeye in the lower Fraser. During the last large run I was able to entice two fish to bite and lose another to a seal in a few hours of effort. That was with inferior lures and a lot less knowledge and experience than possessed now. I'll be out there in the coming weeks to try my luck. In my opinion, the water clarity is currently better in the Richmond,Delta,South Vancouver area than in the Chilliwack/Hope....particularly on the big flood tide. Coincidentally, this is when I've noticed the largest pushes of fish.
Heres a look at some prototypes. The UV hoochies have already proven deadly for Chinooks during testing over the weekend.
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10479723_252531538279496_2546707604709127707_n.jpg)
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You going to be casting those units?
Once the numbers of fish passing through pick up, it is not impossible to actually SPORT fish sockeye in the lower Fraser. During the last large run I was able to entice two fish to bite and lose another to a seal in a few hours of effort. That was with inferior lures and a lot less knowledge and experience than possessed now. I'll be out there in the coming weeks to try my luck. In my opinion, the water clarity is currently better in the Richmond,Delta,South Vancouver area than in the Chilliwack/Hope....particularly on the big flood tide. Coincidentally, this is when I've noticed the largest pushes of fish.
Heres a look at some prototypes. The UV hoochies have already proven deadly for Chinooks during testing over the weekend.
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10479723_252531538279496_2546707604709127707_n.jpg)
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Yes, casting and retrieving in attempt to imitate the already proven flasher w/ hoochie trolling technique.
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Also many do not consider the bouncing has affected our early openings for chinooks, at one time it was May 1. It is not the only reason but one of them. It is good to see a higher percentage of people now bar fishing for chinooks than in the past when sockeye are not open., thanks to all that are doing so until the sockeye open on the 6th.
I wonder how the toxic spill that happened today into the Quensel River that will enter the Fraser will effect the salmon runs especially the sockeye that spawn there, sad that this happened. I heard on the news fish are dying now, will it kill millions of our sockeye and chinook?
Should have posted this here. http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=36123.0
Moved.
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Did someone mention combat fishing ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ca0Oq3IMQ
WoW FA, that is one crazy video, just crazy. That one guy was really throwing them, too funny ;D ;D ;D
I did a search on google for fighting on the river while fishing and an FWR thread popped up, actually more than one. But the one I read occurred on the Vedder with four guys going at it in a real heyday. There were other sites and threads as well that talked of such foolishness happening. My belief is that where ever people get together to fish you then have the human element going on. By that I mean you really don't know anything about Joe Joe fishing down from you and it may not take much to set him or her off.
For the most part in my 50 plus years of fishing I have never seen a fight nor been in one, thank God. I have heard shouting and words being tossed back and forth in verbal altercations and have even gotten mouthy myself at times but it has never went beyond that. But as your video shows fighting can and does happen on the water and I don't think anyone can say it only happens with a particular group. Whether its fly fisherman, steelhead stalkers, bber's or ice fishermen when the human element is present one really never knows who, what or if anything will set off Joe Joe that day.
All I can say is, Thank God it doesn't happen much. I fish to relax, laugh and enjoy life as well as the other 99.9 % of the people. Nobody needs that nonesense. Thanks for sharing the video FA, twas, incredible.
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Did someone mention combat fishing ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ca0Oq3IMQ
Thanks FA for sharing this. It points out the fact the it doesn't matter what form of fishing and how much space between fishermen. If a fight breaks out, it is just how these fishermen approach their conflicts. It can happen to these well dressed and well equipped fly guys in a relatively well spaced river too. I am actually surprised that there haven't been that much problem in the sockeye bars I have fished all these years considering crowding has been the norm there. I have fished Scale, Snaggy, Laidlaw, Seabird, Peg Leg and many smaller bars. Yet I have never myself witnessed an actual physical fight. I guess people want to have a good time. People should never forget they just want to get out and have a fun-filled day. Keep it at that and resolve any conflict peacefully and you will have a great day with yummy fish for dinner. By being nice to each other, and when you have a bad fishing day fish-wise, the guys around may just pass you the rod on fish they don't want to keep so you won't return home skunked. So it pays to be nice to each other ;D ;D
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The Fraser River Panel met on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 to receive an update on
the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye through marine and lower Fraser River assessment areas
and past the Mission hydroacoustic site has increased over the past week.
Catches in the Area 12 and 13 seine test fisheries have remained above average
for this period, while Area 20 seine and gillnet test fisheries in marine areas
continue to be lower than average and expected. In river test fisheries have
shown increased catches in recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses from the Area 12 purse seine test fishery
indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of approximately 23% Early Summer-run,
58% Summer-run sockeye, and 19% Late-run. In the Fraser River, the proportions
of each stock in the most recent samples are 4% Early Stuart, 48% Early
Summers, 46% Summers and 2% Late Run.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through July 31st is
848,700 fish in total of which 231,100 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 290,600 Early Summer run, 313,100 Summer run and 13,900 Late Run.
River discharge levels have decreased over the past week to a level of 3,642
cms on August 4, which is 16 percent below the historical average discharge for
this date (4,324 cms). Water temperature at Qualark is 19.8 degrees Celsius,
which is 2.2 degrees Celsius above the average temperature for this date. No
forecast was available for today's meeting, however water temperatures are
expected to increase in the coming days and discharge levels are expected to
remain below average.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to the adopted run
size or management adjustments for any of the run timing groups. Management
adjustments are additional fish that are allowed to escape upstream to help
achieve spawning escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
FSC fisheries targeting Early Summer and Summer run sockeye are ongoing or
being planned. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions
for their local area.
The commercial fisheries for Area D gillnet, Area B seine and Area H troll are
being planned to start Wednesday August 6. Details for these fisheries will be
posted in a separate fishery notices.
The earliest possible fisheries for Area E gillnet and Area G troll will be
early next week with final decisions on fishing plans to be confirmed following
the next Fraser Panel meeting on Friday, August 8.
First Nation economic opportunity fisheries in the Lower Fraser River are also
under consideration.
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August
8, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0749
Sent August 5, 2014 at 1447
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Yes, casting and retrieving in attempt to imitate the already proven flasher w/ hoochie trolling technique.
Those lures are looking good. Good luck out there because it would be great to see someone crack the code for catching sockeye via spincasting in the lower Fraser.
In comparing the trolling w/ dodger/hoochie vs casting a hoochie/spoon combo what are your thoughts about not having the extra flash the dodger provides as well as the erratic motion? Given the relatively poor visibility of the Fraser it would be fair to expect a lot more casting would be required to get into fish simply because your casting rig just doesn’t have the flashiness of the trolling setup. However if the specific motion imparted by the dodger is critical in getting the sockeye to hit, then a plain spinner or spoon could be at a real disadvantage because it just doesn’t have the right motion? Maybe the ‘wobbliest’ spoon out there (no idea what that would be) might be the most effective as it could give the most motion…
Second, any comment about the travelling lanes in the Fraser? Obviously pinks are easily caught spincasting throughout the lower Fraser because they often travel close to shore, sometimes even within a rods length. My impression was that sockeye simply just don’t travel that close so it’s a real challenge to even find any fish within casting range.
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Good points. From what I have seen on the chuck, they really like a LOT of flash, relatively slow troll and erratic action. Hard to get that when casting from shore and you need heavy lures to get it out there and they will inherently sink more quickly. But who knows...
I'm going to be giving it a real shot over the next month or so. I'm heading out tomorrow on a bit of an exploratory mission. I will be more trying to find travelling lanes and scoping out good areas for when the big push comes in. My friend was out mid river exploring and spoke with some natives and commercial guys who showed him some lanes and said to fish 'here' when the nets are gone. So thats a start.
If the current is strong enough i'm going to try letting out line with a full on flasher and squirt set up and just let it dart around with a banana weight while anchored or back trolling. I might even run some dummy flashers clipped on to the back of my boat, lol. If the tide is coming in, i'm going to troll around if I can find a lane where the fish might be, and s-pattern through it in different directions.
I'm pautzke curing some shrimp to tip the squirts with and will give that a shot.
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Friday, August 8, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 8 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
Assessments of Early Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing and run-size estimates should be available next week after their peak migration through marine areas. The Early Summer-run is currently tracking near the p25 pre-season forecast level of 1,741,000 fish. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance are beginning. The Summer-run is currently tracking near the median (p50) pre-season forecast level of 5,699,000 fish. Test fishing catches in Johnstone Strait continue to indicate that approximately 80% of the Fraser sockeye migration is currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 7, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 3,425 cms, which is approximately 17% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 7 was 20.0C, which is 2.2C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to be approximately 19.4C by August 13. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely over the next several weeks and appropriate management actions will be taken.
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., Monday, August 11, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 6, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 9, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 9, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 13, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Thursday, August 7, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 9, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Sunday, August 10, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 9, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, August 9, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday, August 10, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 11, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement11.pdf
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The Fraser River Panel met on Friday, August 8, 2014 to receive an update on
the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye through marine and lower Fraser River assessment areas
and past the Mission hydroacoustic site has increased over the past week.
Catches in the Area 12 and 13 seine test fisheries have remained above average
for this period, while Area 20 seine and gillnet test fisheries continue to be
lower than average and lower than expected. In river test fisheries have been
variable in recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses from the Area 12 purse seine test fishery
indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of approximately 16% Early Summer-run,
68% Summer-run sockeye, and 16% Late-run. In the Fraser River, the proportions
of each stock in the most recent samples are 32% Early Summers, 54% Summers and
14% Late Run.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through August 7thst is
1,215,200 fish in total of which 227,900 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 428,400 Early Summer run, 514,700 Summer run and 44,200 Late Run.
River discharge levels have decreased over the past week to a level of 3,425
cms on August 7th, which is 17 percent below the historical average discharge
for this date (4,122 cms). Water temperature at Qualark is 20.0 degrees
Celsius, which is 2.2 degrees Celsius above the average temperature for this
date. Water temperatures are forecast to decrease slightly in the coming days
and discharge levels are expected to remain below average.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to the adopted run
size or management adjustments for any of the run timing groups. Management
adjustments are additional fish that are allowed to escape upstream to help
achieve spawning escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
First Nations FSC fisheries targeting Fraser sockeye are ongoing or being
planned. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions for
their local area.
Area B seine and Area H troll commercial sockeye ITQ fisheries remain open
until further notice subject to available quota. At this time the individual
vessel quota (ITQ) remains unchanged for Area B and Area H. Refer to fishery
notices FN0751 and FN0752 for details.
An Area D gillnet fishery is planned to begin Saturday, August 9. An Area E
gillnet fishery is being planned for Monday, August 11. Details for these
fisheries will be posted in a separate fishery notices.
The earliest possible fishery for Area G troll will be Thursday, August 14 with
decisions on fishing plans to be confirmed following the next Fraser Panel
meeting on Tuesday, August 12.
First Nation economic opportunity fisheries in the Lower Fraser River are under
consideration with fisheries possible over the weekend.
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday,
August 12, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0778
Sent August 8, 2014 at 1621
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Included in the Panel report was the fact 5 Cultus Lake sockeye were counted through the DFO fence on Sweltzer Creek, July 28, the day after the fence was fish tight ..
Hello ... put the fence in July 15 ???
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Tuesday, August 12, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 12 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel adopted a run-size of 1,800,000 Early Summer-run sockeye with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 8. Summer-run sockeye are currently tracking near the median (p50) pre-season forecast level of 5,699,000 fish. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Test fishing catches in Johnstone Strait continue to indicate approximately 90% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 11, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 3,037 cms, which is approximately 22% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 11 was 19.5C, which is 1.5C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to be approximately 19.5C by August 17. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday,
August 9, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 13, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 13, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 16, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Sunday, August 10, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 13, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Friday, August 15, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 16, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Tuesday, August 12, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 11, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 13,
2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 15, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement12.pdf
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=162429&ID=all
The Fraser River Panel met on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 to receive an update on
the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye through marine and lower Fraser River assessment areas
and past the Mission hydroacoustic site has increased over the past week.
Catches in the Area 12 and 13 seine test fisheries have remained above average
for this period, while Area 20 seine and gillnet test fisheries continue to be
lower than average and lower than expected. In river test fisheries have been
variable in recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses from the Area 12 purse seine test fishery
indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of approximately 10% Early Summer-run,
60% Summer-run sockeye, and 31% Late-run. In the Fraser River, the proportions
of each stock in the most recent samples are 43% Early Summers, 56% Summers and
1% Late Run.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through August 7th is
1,491,200 fish in total of which 227,900 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 532,300 Early Summer run, 668,400 Summer run and 62,600 Late Run.
River discharge levels have decreased over the past week to a level of 3,037
cms on August 11th, which is 22 percent below the historical average discharge
for this date (3,899 cms). Water temperature at Qualark is 19.5 degrees
Celsius, which is 1.5 degrees Celsius above the average temperature for this
date. Water temperatures are forecast to decrease in the coming days and
discharge levels are expected to remain below average.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel adopted an in-season run size
estimate for Early Summer sockeye of 1.8 million. This abundance is within the
pre-season forecast range from 730,000 to 16.8 million but less than the median
forecast of 4.126 million. The Panel also adopted an in-season 50% timing date
for Early Summers of August 8th which is consistent with the pre-season
estimate of run timing for this group. The Panel made no change to the
management adjustment for Early Summers which remains at 0.42. Fish condition
has been good to date in the Fraser River fisheries. Management adjustments are
additional fish that are allowed to escape upstream to help achieve spawning
escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
First Nations FSC fisheries targeting Fraser sockeye are ongoing or being
planned. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions for
their local area.
Area B seine and Area H troll commercial sockeye ITQ fisheries remain open
until further notice subject to available quota. Increases to the individual
vessel quota (ITQ) Area B and Area H will be announced in separate fishery
notices.
An Area D gillnet fishery is planned to begin Wednesday, August 13. Decisions
on fisheries for Area E gillnet and Area G troll will be provided following the
next Fraser Panel Meeting on Friday August 15.
First Nation economic opportunity fisheries in the Lower Fraser River are under
consideration with fisheries possible this week.
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August
15, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0793
Sent August 12, 2014 at 1506
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So the run isn't going to hit 70 million eh. I am not sure but will the bulk of the run be summers? Or late run?
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I love this line from that last update:
This abundance is within the pre-season forecast range from 730,000 to 16.8 million
I work for a testing laboratory... I wish our clients would let US get away with that kind of allowable deviation in our numbers :o
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I love this line from that last update:
I work for a testing laboratory... I wish our clients would let US get away with that kind of allowable deviation in our numbers :o
I'm thinking that's a typo. Don't think the early summers would ever get up to 16 million or even close to that.
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I'm thinking that's a typo. Don't think the early summers would ever get up to 16 million or even close to that.
How do you think they came up with the number 75 million then? :P
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So the run isn't going to hit 70 million eh. I am not sure but will the bulk of the run be summers? Or late run?
The majority of the run is the late run which haven't even entered the Strait of Georgia yet - still north of Port Hardy.
commonsensecanadian.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DFO-2014-sockeye-forecast.pdf#36 (http://commonsensecanadian.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DFO-2014-sockeye-forecast.pdf#36)
Not sure if the above linked properly - go to page 36.
This table shows the number of fish based on 50% probability - this total is about 23 million.
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So when is the majority of the sockeye run scheduled to hit the Fraser river?
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So when is the majority of the sockeye run scheduled to hit the Fraser river?
August 27 th at 11:43 am.
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So when is the majority of the sockeye run scheduled to hit the Fraser river?
Refer to the 2002 (date above) graph here: http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/331503.pdf#page=58 (http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/331503.pdf#page=58)
Looks like Sept 15.
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Thanks for the link, easywater. While we can be frustrated by variances and disparities, this is a good document to demonstrate the work that goes into coming up with the numbers. Makes me appreciate the number of variables, both known and unknown, that affect the little part of the world known as the Fraser River sockeye runs.
More bluntly said: the people who come up with the forecast put a lot more into their numbers than some of us give credit.
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Friday, August 15, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 15 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel adopted a run-size of 233,500 Early Stuart sockeye with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of July 9. The run-size of 1,800,000 Early Summer-run sockeye was unchanged at the meeting today. Summer-run sockeye are currently tracking near the median (p50) pre-season forecast level of 5,699,000 fish. Assessments of Summer-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Test fishing catches indicate 98% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 14, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,781 cms, which is approximately 25% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 14 was 19.7C, which is 1.9C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to be approximately 20.4C by August 20. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) to 6:00 p.m., Tuesday, August 19, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Canada announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
Areas 123 and 124: Open to Area G troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Sunday, August 17 to 23:59 p.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 13, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 16, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 16, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 20, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Friday, August 15, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 16, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extended for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 16, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Tuesday, August 19, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 20, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Thursday, August 14, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Monday, August 18, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 13, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 19, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement13.pdf
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Tuesday, August 19, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 19 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel adopted a run-size of 2,200,000 Early Summer-run sockeye with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 10. At the meeting today, the Fraser River Panel adopted a run-size of 6,300,000 Summer-run sockeye with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 15. Assessments of Late-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Recent test fishing catches indicate 99% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 18, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,842 cms, which is approximately 17% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 18 was 20.7C, which is 3.1C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to decrease to approximately 18.9C by August 20. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: As previously announced, open to Area E gillnets from 11:00 p.m. (noon) to 5:00 p.m., Tuesday, August 19, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Extended to Area E gillnets from 5:00 p.m. Tuesday, August 19, 2014 to 7:00 p.m. Tuesday, August 19, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 16, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 20, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 20, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 23, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Tuesday, August 19, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 20, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extended for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 20, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Thursday, August 21, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Thursday, August 21, 2014 and Friday, August 22, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Monday, August 18, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Thursday, August 21, 2014 and Friday, August 22, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday, August 18, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 20, 2014, Thursday, August 21, 2014 and Friday, August 22, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 22, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement14.pdf
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August 27 th at 11:43 am.
haha good for a solid laugh at work
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Update on Area 12 Seine 2009/2010/2014 test fishing comparison:
(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/123VAGAbond/Area12SeineFishery2014.png) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/123VAGAbond/media/Area12SeineFishery2014.png.html)
PSC indicates that in recent days 99% are coming down the inside this year.
It probably takes ~10 days from Area 12 to the Fraser.
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Someone told me that there are so many fish making it to the spawning grounds that gillnetters are being paid to take their boats up to Kamloops Lake.
The limit should be raised to 4 per day in the non-tidal.
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Someone told me .....The limit should be raised to 4 per day in the non-tidal.
LOL.
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Friday, August 22, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 22 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 2,200,000 Early Summer-run sockeye with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 10 was unchanged. At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 6,300,000 Summer-run sockeye was increased to 7,000,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 16. Assessments of Late-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Recent test fishing catches indicate 97% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 21, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,934 cms, which is approximately 10% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 21 was 20.1C, which is 2.8C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to decrease to approximately 18.5C by August 27. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 8:00 a.m. Monday, August 25, 2014, to 8:00 a.m. Tuesday, August 26, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 20, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 23, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 23, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 27, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Saturday, August 23, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Monday, August 25, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Friday, August 22, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday August 25, 2014 and Tuesday August 26, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Friday, August 22, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Monday, August 25, 2014 and Tuesday, August 26, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Friday, August 22, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 23, 2014 through Tuesday, August 26, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, August 26, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement15.pdf
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Recreational 
Marine 100
Fraser R. 48,600
Rodney, at the end of the PSC announcement for today there are statistics on the catch to date that include the above numbers for recreational take. The full list of numbers includes seine results etc. and so they appear to represent the total coastal take of sockeye. If the 100 fish recreational number for the marine area is a serious estimate, somebody has a great misunderstanding of what is going on. Can you shed any light on this number?
The sockeye are taken in the marine area from Port Hardy south by fleets of recreational boats. I live in Richmond and had a boat for years and can attest from experience that it is far easier to catch a dozen sockeye trolling in the marine area than it is to bottom bounce for them on the Fraser. I see many boats heading down the river and they wouldn't bother with the fancy strings of dummy flashers etc. if they were hardly catching any fish. Each of these boats will have two, three, four fishers and many come back with their four fish/person limits.
I suspect the 100 fish figure represents a decimal point error of at least two if not three decimal places. My guess is that there are as many sockeye taken in the marine area as in the Fraser, if not more.
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LOL.
What was it that you found funny?
Perhaps I should have prefaced my comment with "if this is true..."
Whonnock test fishery recorded the biggest set in the last 12 years on Aug 22.
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Rodney, at the end of the PSC announcement for today there are statistics on the catch to date that include the above numbers for recreational take. The full list of numbers includes seine results etc. and so they appear to represent the total coastal take of sockeye. If the 100 fish recreational number for the marine area is a serious estimate, somebody has a great misunderstanding of what is going on. Can you shed any light on this number?
The sockeye are taken in the marine area from Port Hardy south by fleets of recreational boats. I live in Richmond and had a boat for years and can attest from experience that it is far easier to catch a dozen sockeye trolling in the marine area than it is to bottom bounce for them on the Fraser. I see many boats heading down the river and they wouldn't bother with the fancy strings of dummy flashers etc. if they were hardly catching any fish. Each of these boats will have two, three, four fishers and many come back with their four fish/person limits.
I suspect the 100 fish figure represents a decimal point error of at least two if not three decimal places. My guess is that there are as many sockeye taken in the marine area as in the Fraser, if not more.
I'm not sure and going to find out now.
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http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/08/24/3815002_warm-blob-keeps-possible-record.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1
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Easywater there were netters out in 2010 in Kamloops lake as well. Nothing new for this years run.
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Are there any discussions on when the Fraser Sockeye opening for recreationals will come to an end?
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=36283.msg343887#msg343887
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Possible sockeye retention until mid Sept. - wow. I seem to recall 1998 also closed a week or two after the Labour day weekend - maybe I'm wrong on the year.
Nice - thanks.
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Tuesday, August 26, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 26 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 2,200,000 Early Summer-run sockeye was decreased to 2,000,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 8. At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 7,000,000 Summer-run sockeye was decreased to 6,000,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 14. Assessments of Late-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Recent test fishing catches indicate 94% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 25, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,511 cms, which is approximately 17% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 25 was 18.4C, which is 1.2C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to decrease to approximately 18.3C by August 31. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 27, 2014, to 8:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 27, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Tuesday, August 26, 2014
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 23, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, August 27, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 27, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 30, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 27, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 30, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday August 25, 2014 and Tuesday August 26, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Monday, August 25, 2014 and Tuesday, August 26, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday, August 23, 2014 through Tuesday, August 26, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 27, 2014 through Friday, August 29, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 29, 2014.
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Friday, August 29, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 29 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 2,000,000 Early Summer-run sockeye was decreased to 1,900,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 8. At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 6,000,000 Summer-run sockeye was increased to 7,000,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 16. Assessments of Late-run sockeye abundance are ongoing. Recent test fishing catches indicate 99% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On August 28, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,146 cms, which is approximately 24% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 28 was 18.9C, which is 2.1C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperatures at Qualark Creek are forecast to decrease to approximately 16.6C by September 3rd. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Tuesday, September 2, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, August 27, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, August 30, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 30, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, September 3, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Wednesday, August 27, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 30, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extended for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Saturday, August 30, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Sunday, August 31, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 12:01 a.m. (midnight) Tuesday, September 2, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 3, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A:Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Sunday August 31,
2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:00 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Monday, September 1, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, August 27, 2014 through Friday, August 29, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Saturday, August 30, 2014 through Tuesday, September2, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, September 2, 2014.
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Are there any discussions on when the Fraser Sockeye opening for recreationals will come to an end?
From what I gather it will be mid month, I so we will have a Fraser River Cleanup on Saturday the 20th,sponsored by the Fraser Valley Salmon Society more details later. Boats will be needed to access the heavily fished bars.
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Any talk of the limit going to 4?
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I would like to see the limit to go up to 4 aswell. Is there any info on upping the limit? Us recreational anglers barley make a dent in the amount of fish caught compared to commercial and FN.
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Tuesday, September 2, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, September 2 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 1,900,000 Early Summer-run sockeye was unchanged. At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 7,000,000 Summer-run sockeye was increased to 8,200,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 18. There is still uncertainty in Late-run sockeye run size assessments. At the meeting today, the Panel agreed to continue using the Late-run sockeye pre-season median forecast abundance level (p50 forecast of 12,730,000 fish) for planning purposes. Recent test fishing catches indicate 99% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On September 1, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,141 cms, which is approximately 21% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on September 1 was 18.0C, which is 1.6C higher than average for this date. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: As previously announced, open to Area E gillnets from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Tuesday, September 2, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Extended from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. Tuesday, September 2, 2014 (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Thursday, September 4, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 30, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, September 3, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 3, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, September 6, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 12:01 a.m. (midnight) Tuesday, September 2, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 3, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extended for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 3, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Friday, September 5, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A:Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Friday September 5, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:05 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Friday, September 5, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Saturday, August 30, 2014 through Tuesday, September2, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Wednesday, September 3, 2014 through Friday, September 5, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, September 5, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement18.pdf
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Friday, September 5, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, September 5 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimates of 1,900,000 Early Summer-run sockeye and 8,200,000 Summer-run sockeye were unchanged. The Panel agreed to continue using the Late- run sockeye pre-season median forecast abundance level (p50 forecast of 12,730,000 fish) for planning purposes. Recent test fishing catches indicate 99% of the Fraser sockeye are currently passing through Johnstone Strait.
On September 4, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,351 cms, which is approximately 10% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on September 4 was 17.0 C, which is 0.9 C higher than average for this date. Fraser River water temperature at Qualark Creek is forecast to increase to approximately 17.9 C by September 10th. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 8:00 a.m. Monday, September 8, 2014 to 8:00 a.m. Tuesday, September 9, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS: TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 3, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Saturday, September 6, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, September 6, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, September 10, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Sunday, September 7, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 10, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Friday September 5, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday September 6,
2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:05 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Friday, September 5, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:10 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 6, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Wednesday, September 3, 2014 through Friday, September 5, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Saturday, September 6, 2014 through Tuesday, September 9, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Tuesday, September 9, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement19.pdf
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Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 8:00 a.m. Monday, September 8, 2014 to 8:00 a.m. Tuesday, September 9, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
This is way too late. They can tell us all they want that they care about the interior Coho and Steelhead stocks, but an opening this late shows their words are empty as usual.
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Good thing they have a bait ban so we can sit on the bar and watch the gillnetters with their coho friendly nets.dfo is a big joke
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Good thing they have a bait ban so we can sit on the bar and watch the gillnetters with their coho friendly nets.dfo is a big joke
So you would rather allow the sport fishermen pick up the coho that the nest miss too?
I agree the nets shouldn't be allowed but I understand the bait ban. It's also 24 hours, fishermen are on the river everyday, they can't update regs everyday.
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So you would rather allow the sport fishermen pick up the coho that the nest miss too?
Yes, the Fraser bait ban is a joke
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Yes, the Fraser bait ban is a joke
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You can believe what you want and Say what you feel.
As I will now with my opinion...
I believe heart of hearts DFO / Gov't is and wants all "wild" spawning salmon / steelhead gone from our B.C. waters so they can build dams. That way there won't be any opposition towards them doing so.
Hatcheries and fish farms will be the only spawning grounds period.
Time will tell.
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So 20 million is the latest grand total?
Not quite the 72 million but much better than the other years' totals of 1 to 5 million...
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*facepalm*
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didn't know there was another gillnet opening today. Looking out my window and there's a river full of nets again.
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Tuesday, September 9, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, September 9 to receive an update on the migration of Fraser sockeye and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the run-size estimate of 1,900,000 Early Summer-run sockeye was unchanged. At the meeting today the Panel decreased the Summer-run size estimate from 8,200,000 fish to 7,800,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 18. At the meeting today the Panel also decreased the Late-run estimate from the pre-season median forecast abundance level of 12,730,000 fish to 10,800,000 fish with a 50% marine migration timing through Area 20 of August 26.
On September 8, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 2,289 cms, which is approximately 10% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on September 8 was 16.3 C, which is 0.7 C higher than average for this date. Most of the Early Summer-run, Summer-run and early timed Late-run fish that have entered the Fraser River to-date have encounter warmer than average water temperature. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11 and Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 8:00 a.m. Thursday, September 11, 2014 to 8:00 a.m. Friday, September 12, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Saturday, September 6, 2014, to 12:00 p.m. (noon) Wednesday, September 10, 2014.
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: Extended for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 10, 2014, to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 13, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Sunday, September 7, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 10, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extend for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 10, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday September 13,
2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:20 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 13, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Wednesday, September 10, 2014 through Friday, September 12, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, September 12, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement20.pdf
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Friday, September 12, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, September 12 to review stock assessment data on the Fraser River sockeye runs, consider harvest opportunities and review migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today, the total Fraser River sockeye return of 20,733,500 was unchanged. The current adopted run-sizes, by management group are 233,500 Early Stuart, 1,900,000 Early Summer-run, 7,800,000 Summer-run and 10,800,000 Late-run sockeye.
On September 11, the Fraser River water discharge at Hope was approximately 1,961 cms, which is approximately 23% lower than average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on September 11 was 15 C, which is near average for this date. Most of the Early Summer-run, Summer-run and early timed Late-run fish that have entered the Fraser River to-date have encounter warmer than average water temperature. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye are currently satisfactory, but will be monitored closely and appropriate management actions will be taken.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 18-1, 18-4, and 18-11: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 through 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Friday, September 12, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29: Portions of 29- 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 to 17: Open to Area E gillnets from 6:00 p.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014 to 8:00 p.m. Sunday, September 14, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5 and 6C: As previously announced, open for drift gillnets from 12:00 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 10, 2014, to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 13, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 10, 2014 through 9:00 a.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014.
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: Extend for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014 through 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 20, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Saturday September 13, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to gillnets from 8:20 a.m. to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 13, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Wednesday, September 10, 2014 through Friday, September 12, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Saturday, September 13, 2014 through Saturday, September 20, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Monday, September 15, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement21.pdf
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Am I wrong or is that now 3 commercial openings and 2 First Nations openings this week? Talk about draining the river.
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i heard some talk after these commercial openings that they will raise the limit to 4 sockeye....apparently theres quite a few fish making it past the nets. but it may be for just the last week of retention. these gillnet openings however will not help with endangered interior coho.
ps. had no problem getting my 2 sockeye each day i was out by hope. people around me had success too. Had to call dfo RAPP line on a certain indivitual who decided to keep 8 sockeye and keep fishing. they arrived in 20 minutes to talk to the indivitual. i left after they arrived.
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I was out in hope Thursday and it was very slow, not 1 landed from 9am to 10 am ,I did get my 2 between 7-8 am. then I went home after 10 am. might have picked up later.thats the worst I have seen it this season.
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i heard some talk after these commercial openings that they will raise the limit to 4 sockeye....apparently theres quite a few fish making it past the nets. but it may be for just the last week of retention. these gillnet openings however will not help with endangered interior coho.
ps. had no problem getting my 2 sockeye each day i was out by hope. people around me had success too. Had to call dfo RAPP line on a certain indivitual who decided to keep 8 sockeye and keep fishing. they arrived in 20 minutes to talk to the indivitual. i left after they arrived.
That would be nice for a 4 sockeye limit! Is this just wishful talk of another angler or is this certain going to happen?
I've also had no problem getting my 2 ea time out in chilliwack area. Except today we only got 3 instead of 4. Only fished 3 hours today though.
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It's not going to be raised to 4.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the fact that they are meeting on Monday instead of their usual Tuesday suggests to me that they plan to end the season on Tuesday.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the fact that they are meeting on Monday instead of their usual Tuesday suggests to me that they plan to end the season on Tuesday.
Lets hope they do!!!!
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when are the 25 million fish supposed to arrive?
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when are the 25 million fish supposed to arrive?
The total Fraser River sockeye return of 20,733,500 was unchanged. The current adopted run-sizes, by management group are 233,500 Early Stuart, 1,900,000 Early Summer-run, 7,800,000 Summer-run and 10,800,000 Late-run sockeye.
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when are the 25 million fish supposed to arrive?
They're not going to , the vast majority have been vacuumed by the commercial fishery already. Go to the notices page and have a look at the number of openings in areas D and E including unlimited continuous seine openings in Area D. There's another 26 hour area E gillnet today(Saturday) and tomorrow . This is after an opening Monday(24hrs), Tuesday , Thursday(24 hours) and Friday of this week already . Almost the same thing the past few weeks prior to that .
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About 8 million fish of the total 20 has been harvested so far - most of that (7 million)by the commercial fishery. Some argue that not enough fish are being taken: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/04/fishing-the-hell-out-of-b-c-sockeye-the-best-way-to-preserve-stocks-ubc-professor-says/
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About 8 million fish of the total 20 has been harvested so far - most of that (7 million)by the commercial fishery. Some argue that not enough fish are being taken: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/04/fishing-the-hell-out-of-b-c-sockeye-the-best-way-to-preserve-stocks-ubc-professor-says/
So according to his report, why not raise the rec fishermans quota to four a day in the upper fraser. Why is there so much procedure difference from the limits in the skeena where they bump the limits up accordingly??? Seems like their runs are less and doing quite well. Has someone making these decisions got their policy head stuck in the ground?
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(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k532/Armytruck2010/d30c7bed-4db1-44e0-8956-84d9fe868117_zpsae1dac12.jpg) (http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/Armytruck2010/media/d30c7bed-4db1-44e0-8956-84d9fe868117_zpsae1dac12.jpg.html) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is amazing how the Albion Test fishery hasn't caught a single Coho yet. ::)
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15 coho in the whonnock test net so far.
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Is amazing how the Albion Test fishery hasn't caught a single Coho yet. ::)
You need to use the Albion Chum Test fishery numbers. The Chinook nets will only catch really big Coho.
First 2 coho caught last week.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fos2_Internet/Testfish/rptcsbdparm.cfm?stat=CPTFM&fsub_id=227
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Was wondering if someone could help me find the link to the schedules for Native & Commercial netting?
Many thanks!
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Watched a few boats pull in their nets yesterday and they were tossing quite a few back. Couldn't quite tell what they were though.
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Was wondering if someone could help me find the link to the schedules for Native & Commercial netting?
Many thanks!
Opening announcements for commercial, First Nations and recreational can be found at:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?CFID=10147510&CFTOKEN=11206061
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Opening announcements for commercial, First Nations and recreational can be found at:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?CFID=10147510&CFTOKEN=11206061
Thanks a lot Rod!
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Monday, September 15, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Monday, September 15 to review stock assessment data on the Fraser River sockeye runs, consider harvest opportunities and review migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The 2014 total Fraser River sockeye return of 20,733,500 was unchanged at the meeting today. The current adopted run-sizes, by management group are 233,500 Early Stuart, 1,900,000 Early Summer-run, 7,800,000 Summer-run and 10,800,000 Late-run sockeye.
The majority of Fraser sockeye that have migrated upstream to-date have encountered warmer than average water temperature. Sustained high water temperatures can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to significant en route mortality; however there have been no reports of significant mortality in the Fraser River or its tributaries to-date. The current migration conditions for Fraser sockeye are satisfactory.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29-3, 29-4, 29-6, and 29-10: Open to Area B purse seine ITQ fishery in waters deeper than 45 meters from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Tuesday, September 16, 2014, through Thursday, September 18, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notice for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014 through 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 20, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Saturday, September 13, 2014 through Saturday, September 20, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Thursday, September 18, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement22.pdf
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164252&ID=all
The Fraser River Panel met on Monday, September 15 to receive an update on the
migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The marine migration of Fraser sockeye through the marine assessment areas is
virtually complete. The migration of sockeye past the Mission hydroacoustics
site has decreased over the past several days, while the migration of sockeye
past Hells Gate continues to be strong. In river test fisheries catches have
been variable in recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of
approximately 26% Summer run and 74% Late run in the lower river and 14% Summer
and 86% Lates further upstream at the Whonnock test fishery.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through September 14th
is 6,513,700 fish in total of which 227,900 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 1,204,500 Early Summer run, 3,676,900 Summer run and 1,404,400 Late
Run. At this time there is a large number of late run sockeye holding in the
gulf with uncertainty as to when they will enter the Fraser River.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to run sizes or
management adjustments for any of the run timing groups. Fish condition has
been good in recent Fraser River fisheries.
First Nations FSC fisheries targeting Fraser sockeye are nearing completion in
most areas. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions for
their local area.
The Area H troll commercial sockeye ITQ fishery remains open in Area 29 until
further notice.
The Area B seine commercial sockeye ITQ fishery will open Tuesday, September
16th. Details will be announced in a separate fishery notice.
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Thursday,
September 18, 2014.
7.FOR MORE INFORMATION (This is included in the notice text):
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1013
Sent September 15, 2014 at 1509
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Any word on when Sockeye is closing? or did I miss the announcement?
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164252&ID=all
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
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Any word on when Sockeye is closing? or did I miss the announcement?
My guess is the 28th
Edit: 28th instead of the 24th
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Rodney,
As you seem to be in the know with all of freshwater salmon regulations / updates, I'm wondering if you can calrify something.
I'm trying to find what the regulations are for Chinook on the Thompson River downstream of the G
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Sorry,
I posted before finishing by accident.
Rodney, what are the present regulations on Chinook on the Thompson River downstream of the Goldpan campsite to the confluence of the Fraser River?
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That section is closed for chinook salmon retention now but a few other parts of the river are still open for it.
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region3-eng.html
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Any word on when Sockeye is closing? or did I miss the announcement?
In 2010 it was closed on Sept 19th. I would guess shortly after that this year.
Probably Sunday
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more commercial and native openings tomorrow until sunday,seems like there are lots of surplus late run fish holding in the straights. so can stay open for now, not good in the river for fishing as numbers are low.
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Thursday, September 18, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Thursday, September 18 to review stock assessment data on the Fraser River sockeye runs, consider harvest opportunities and review migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The 2014 total Fraser River sockeye return of 20,733,500 was unchanged at the meeting today. The current adopted run-sizes, by management group are 233,500 Early Stuart, 1,900,000 Early Summer-run, 7,800,000 Summer-run and 10,800,000 Late-run sockeye.
A significant number of Late-run sockeye continue to delay in the Strait of Georgia. Later upstream migration timing of Late-run sockeye is associated with lower management adjustment values and higher en route survival. The Panel adopted a Late-run management adjustment value (pMA) of 0.1 with a 50% Mission upstream migration timing date of September 21. Fraser River sockeye migration conditions remain satisfactory.
The Panel extended regulatory control of U.S. Panel Area 7A to 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 27, 2014.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29-3, 29-4, 29-6, and 29-10: As previously announced, open to Area B purse seine ITQ fishery in waters deeper than 45 meters from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Tuesday, September 16, 2014, through Thursday, September 18, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notice for further details).
Area 29-3, 29-4, 29-6, and 29-10: Open to Area B purse seine ITQ fishery in waters deeper than 45 meters from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Friday, September 19, 2014, through Monday, September 22, 2014. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notice for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 6, 7 and 7A: As previously announced, open for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Saturday, September 13, 2014 through 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 20, 2014.
Area 7A: Open to net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Monday, September 22, 2014 until 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 24, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7 and 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. Saturday, September 20, 2014.
Area 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. Sunday, September 21,
2014.
Area 7 and 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:25 a.m. until 11:59 pm (midnight), Saturday, September 20, 2014.
Area 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:30 a.m. until 11:59 p.m. (midnight), Sunday, September 21, 2014.
Area 7 and 7A: As previously scheduled, open to reefnets from 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily from Thursday, September 18, 2014 through Saturday, September 20, 2014
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Monday, September 22, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement23.pdf
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The Fraser River Panel met on Thursday, September 18, 2014 to receive an update
on the migration of the Fraser sockeye runs and review the status of migration
conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
The migration of sockeye past the Mission hydroacoustics site has remained low
over the past several days, while the migration of sockeye past Hells Gate has
been fluctuating. In river test fisheries catches have also been variable in
recent days.
Recent stock identification analyses indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of
approximately 5% Summer run and 95% Late run in the lower river and 16% Summer
and 84% Lates further upstream at the Whonnock test fishery.
The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through September 17th
is 6,738,000 fish in total of which 227,900 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 1,205,300 Early Summer run, 3,701,700 Summer run and 1,603,100 Late
Run. At this time there continues to be a large number of late run sockeye
holding in the gulf with uncertainty as to when they will enter the Fraser
River.
At today's meeting, the Fraser River Panel made no changes to run sizes for any
of the run timing groups but did adopt a change to the management adjustment
for late run sockeye to 0.10 with a 50% river entry date of September 21st.
Fish condition has been good in recent Fraser River fisheries and observations
in the rivers and lakes in the interior.
First Nations FSC fisheries targeting Fraser sockeye are nearing completion in
most areas. Fishers are requested to check updated times and restrictions for
their local area.
The Area H troll commercial sockeye ITQ fishery remains open in Area 29 until
further notice.
The Area B seine commercial sockeye ITQ fishery in Area 29 was extended from
Friday September 19th to Monday, September 22nd, 2014. Details will be
announced in a separate fishery notice.
Retention of sockeye in Marine and Lower Fraser River recreational fisheries
continue. Refer to fishery notices FN0720 and FN0721 for details.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Monday,
September 22, 2014.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jennifer Nener 604-666-6478
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1030
Sent September 18, 2014 at 1434
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164418&ID=all
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A commercial economic opportunity fishery is authorized for the Tsawwassen
First Nation for sockeye salmon using shallow seines in the lower Fraser River.
This fishery is open from 06:00 hours to 20:00 hours Monday, September 22, 2014
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Monday, September 22, 2014
The Fraser River Panel met Monday, September 22 to review stock assessment data on the Fraser River sockeye runs, consider harvest opportunities and review migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed.
At the meeting today the run-size estimate of 7,800,000 Summer-run sockeye was increased to 7,900,000 fish. The current adopted run-sizes, by management group are 233,500 Early Stuart, 1,900,000 Early Summer-run, 7,900,000 Summer-run and 10,800,000 Late-run sockeye. The total 2014 Fraser River sockeye return is currently estimated to be 20,833,500 fish.
Over the past few days a significant number of Late-run sockeye have migrated upstream past Mission, B.C. Some sockeye continue to delay in the Strait of Georgia. Later upstream migration timing of Late-run sockeye is associated with higher migration survival.
The Panel announced the following regulations for Panel Area waters:
CANADIAN FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
Area 29-1 to 6: As previously announced, open to Area H troll ITQ fishery from 12:01 a.m. Wednesday August 6, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notices for further details).
Area 29-3, 29-4, 29-6, and 29-10: Open to Area B purse seine ITQ fishery in waters deeper than 45 meters from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. daily beginning Tuesday, September 23, 2014 until further notice. (Please refer to DFO Fishery Notice for further details).
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Area 7A: As previously announced, open to net fishing from 5:00 a.m. Monday, September 22, 2014 until 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 24, 2014.
Area 7A: Extended for net fishing from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday, September 24, 2014 through 11:59 p.m. (midnight) Saturday, September 27, 2014.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Area 7A: Open to purse seines from 5:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, September 24, 2014.
Area 7A: Open to gillnets from 8:35 a.m. until 11:59 pm (midnight), Wednesday, September 24, 2014.
(Note: U. S. Non-Treaty fishers should check the U.S. hotline and WDFW regulations before fishing as there are additional State of Washington regulations, including time restrictions that may be in effect).
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Thursday, September 25, 2014.
http://www.psc.org/NewsRel/2014/Announcement24.pdf
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I'm guessing we will here (here! omg my speling is terrible) today when sox retention closes? Has this season extended later than normal?
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staying open, this must be the latest ever opening.my freezer is full.
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staying open, this must be the latest ever opening.my freezer is full.
ynot; could you let me know where you find this information. Is there any indication when it is likely to close?
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Open until further notice
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164672&ID=all
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Thanks.
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RIP Thompson Steelhead and endangered interior coho.
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RIP Thompson Steelhead and endangered interior coho.
X2, plus so many other lesser known stocks, along with early Chilliwack chum and coho, plus Cultus sockeye (weren't they considered endangered?)
Surely enough sockeye have been caught, by all user groups ???... if there is indeed a surplus of spawners on the Adams this fall it's unlikely to be more than in 2010 which resulted in this years return.
I suggest it's time to stop all but FN from harvesting these fish; and indeed FN should take a long look in the mirror before setting another net.
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The target species in this fishery is Fraser River sockeye salmon; the
incidental catch of chum may be retained for sale. There will be non-retention
of chinook, coho, steelhead and sturgeon. This fishery has been designed to
address stocks of concern. All non-target species will be released back to the
water alive and unharmed.
It is mandatory that all salmon retained under the authority of this licence be
transported to the nearest landing station and made available for inspection.
A monitor shall be present during all landing of catch to record the number and
weight of each species of salmon delivered.
There will be a monitor on board each vessel during fishing activity to record
set by set information.
Reporting requirements, operating revival tanks and brailing are mandatory as
condition of the licence.
At the end of each fishing day the monitors will submit the daily data to the
Musqueam Fisheries Department who will then forward to DFO.
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The target species in this fishery is Fraser River sockeye salmon; the
incidental catch of chum may be retained for sale. There will be non-retention
of chinook, coho, steelhead and sturgeon. This fishery has been designed to
address stocks of concern. All non-target species will be released back to the
water alive and unharmed.
It is mandatory that all salmon retained under the authority of this licence be
transported to the nearest landing station and made available for inspection.
A monitor shall be present during all landing of catch to record the number and
weight of each species of salmon delivered.
There will be a monitor on board each vessel during fishing activity to record
set by set information.
Reporting requirements, operating revival tanks and brailing are mandatory as
condition of the licence.
At the end of each fishing day the monitors will submit the daily data to the
Musqueam Fisheries Department who will then forward to DFO.
Having a hard time believing that is going to happen.
It's been open long enough, close it and let other fish get by.
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There will be a monitor on board each vessel during fishing activity to record
set by set information.
Reporting requirements, operating revival tanks and brailing are mandatory as
condition of the licence.
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There will be a monitor on board each vessel during fishing activity to record
set by set information.
Reporting requirements, operating revival tanks and brailing are mandatory as
condition of the licence.
"Operating revival tanks" just means that they have to have a revival tank on board that is in good working order. It does not mean they have to actually use them.
It makes a great fish cooler for the coho, steelhead and chinook by-catch retained for crew members when not in use...
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and what do the monitor's do.
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I've been on the Fraser 5 times in the last 10 days and I haven't seen a 1st Nations gill net set anywhere. Commercial openings have been restricted to troll fisheries and purse seiners outside the 45 fathom line. Troll I gather won't cause a lot of by-catch and any by-catch should have a better survival chance. Do they continue to allow seining in deep water but no gillnets as seine nets there avoid by-catch? Anyone know definitively? ( some folks will respond No without knowing).
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It's not that the seine nets avoid the by-catch - although they do to some extent because they are chasing schools of Sockeye.
Gill nets are a "kill all" type of fishery - many fish hooked in a gill net die in the net.
Seine fishing pulls the whole net full of fish onto the boat where they can sort and release any non-retention by-catch.
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I know how purse seines work , my real question (the QBQ as it were) is the requirement to fish outside the 45 fathom line reflect a reduced likelihood to intercept other salmonids that sockeye?
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Seine fishing pulls the whole net full of fish onto the boat where they can sort and release any non-retention by-catch.
Except nearly every fish in that seine net is dead, unless it's in the top few fish. So really they are just throwing back dead fish anyway.
With sets the size they are getting, most of the fish are dead from the weight of the other fish the moment they are lifted into the boat out of the water.
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Except nearly every fish in that seine net is dead, unless it's in the top few fish. So really they are just throwing back dead fish anyway.
With sets the size they are getting, most of the fish are dead from the weight of the other fish the moment they are lifted into the boat out of the water.
That is 100% correct. It is mind boggling how so many people can believe (brainwashed) otherwise. I'd like for those people to get in a net with 1000 other people and see if they aren't crushed to death.
Nothing survives (except the few fish on top) the giant seine nets that are used for sockeye in the ocean. The fish are either kept or they are dead from the weight of the other fish. Common sense.
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Almost all sox I saw today were colored, they are getting long in the tooth, lots still out there though. Saw a ton of 1st nations netting going on. never seen this before...a boat would head out, zip up river while a truck drove on shore parallel to it holding the other end of the net...5 -10 minutes...hundreds of fish, the water was just boiling as they brought the net back along the shore to fill a caravan of pick-up with totes in the bed. They are doing well out there today!
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what area was that.
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Agazzi
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were you flossing. is it still worth it.
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from what I saw everyone flossing got their fish easily, sox jumping everywere, if you like to floss its easy pickings. the majority of fish I saw had a pinkish tinge though, saw some nice chrome ones though. most 7-8 lbers...decent size.
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The pinkish socks will mostly all be male like all salmon species they start to colour first. I caught 2 females today that where silver my buddy got 2 males both with some colour. There is nothing wrong with the majority of them I would encourage people not to throw them back hoping to catch a silver fish. It is very common for some runs to be more coloured. I never find any issue keeping them.
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Where in Aggasiz?
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Except nearly every fish in that seine net is dead, unless it's in the top few fish. So really they are just throwing back dead fish anyway.
With sets the size they are getting, most of the fish are dead from the weight of the other fish the moment they are lifted into the boat out of the water.
when it is a full seine the fish at the bottom will be dead but I have seen many sets were all the fish are alive when dumped on the deck.
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Almost all sox I saw today were colored, they are getting long in the tooth, lots still out there though. Saw a ton of 1st nations netting going on. never seen this before...a boat would head out, zip up river while a truck drove on shore parallel to it holding the other end of the net...5 -10 minutes...hundreds of fish, the water was just boiling as they brought the net back along the shore to fill a caravan of pick-up with totes in the bed. They are doing well out there today!
sounds like beach seining - there's been limited beach seining opening this time of year for some years now.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164684&ID=all
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Where in Aggasiz?
Now, now, we've been through this before. Please don't use this general forum to ask for specific locations! With the number of fish that have been moving through, I can imagine practically every major bar on the Fraser being productive. The major bars have been discussed at length on this forum and the "other" forum as well. Do some leg work and put two and two together. We already heard that Peg was producing well (Chilliwack area). Think about where Agassiz is located in relation to Peg, and start there.
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sounds like beach seining - there's been limited beach seining opening this time of year for some years now.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164684&ID=all
Yep. Stratocaster and I saw them do this first hand last year while fly fishing for pinks at the top end of Peg. They caught a ton of coloured up pinks, and released the few coho ad sockeye was that in their net as well.
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That is 100% correct. It is mind boggling how so many people can believe (brainwashed) otherwise. I'd like for those people to get in a net with 1000 other people and see if they aren't crushed to death.
Nothing survives (except the few fish on top) the giant seine nets that are used for sockeye in the ocean. The fish are either kept or they are dead from the weight of the other fish. Common sense.
The bag shouldn't be lifted into the boat. They use dip net brailers to sort fish.
I've seen them take 2 hours to empty the net at the side of the boat using a brailer. The brailer size depends on the possible by catch.
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I just want to clarify again that I was wondering if the 45 fathom line restriction was intended to avoid by catch other than sockeye. I was not trying to suggest purse seining is a selective method.
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I just want to clarify again that I was wondering if the 45 fathom line restriction was intended to avoid by catch other than sockeye. I was not trying to suggest purse seining is a selective method.
No, that's not the rationale behind the restriction. It's to make it more challenging to catch fish instead of seining in super shallow water say 10 or 15 fathoms (~60-90feet) where they have no escape.
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any word yet on when this fishery is closing?
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no need tp close it,only a few now going up river and they have enough to spawn.it will close on its own.
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Has there been another PSC update notice for Sept.25 posted anywhere, or have I missed it?
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164959&ID=all
Effective 20:30 hours on Sunday, October 5, 2014 until further notice, you may
not retain sockeye salmon in the following waters:
- Fraser River waters in Region 2; and
- that portion of the Harrison River downstream of the Highway 7 Bridge to the
confluence with the Fraser River.
VO No. 2014-451
Notes:
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia.
Anglers are requested to release any hatchery marked sockeye. These fish are
hatchery raised sockeye and part of a recovery program designed to increase the
numbers of Cultus Lake sockeye.
The term "marked" means a hatchery fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and
coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Barbara Mueller (604-666-2370).
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1093
Sent October 2, 2014 at 1541
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Yayyy! Finally closing!
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Any word on the salt?
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October 6th.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=164983&ID=all
Effective October 6, 2014 until further notice, you may not retain sockeye
salmon in the following waters:
- Areas 11, 111, 12 and 13 (Queen Charlotte Sound, Queen Charlotte Strait,
Johnstone Strait and Discovery Passage);
- Areas 14 to 19 (Strait of Georgia);
- Area 20 (Juan de Fuca Strait);
- Areas 121 and 123 to 127 (West Coast of Vancouver Island);
- Subarea 28-1, 28-2, and 28-7 (portions of Howe Sound and Burrard Inlet);
- Area 29 (Strait of Georgia and Fraser River downstream of Mission BC).
VO No. 2014-455
Notes:
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia.
Anglers are requested to release any hatchery marked sockeye. These fish are
hatchery raised sockeye and part of a recovery program designed to increase the
numbers of Cultus Lake sockeye.
The term "marked" means a hatchery fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and
coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact your local DFO Office
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1098
Sent October 3, 2014 at 1503