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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Dave on April 16, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
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Buck and I made our first trip counting spawning steelhead in the upper Chilliwack this morning. This is our fourth year of observations; our methodology is simple in that we count the same areas weekly, on approximately the same date, each year. Over time (firebird suggests 40 years!) we hope we will be able to identify trends and at the very least, peak spawning times at the 4 sites. These counts are not meant as a population estimate.
Today is the earliest we have started and that was brought home by the fact only one fish was observed, that at the outlet of Chilliwack Lake. Conditions at the lake were poor for viewing, as was the newly augmented gravel pad below the Third (Middle Creek) bridge. One redd, possibly two, were seen in Centennial Channel and we passed on Angel Wing channel this trip.
The water level in Centennial is very low so next week we will probably suggest to Chilliwack River hatchery staff more flow is allowed through this magnificent spawning/rearing area.
More next week.
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Good work Dave and Buck.
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Buck, KP and I made our second trip up river this morning counting steelhead. First stop was the outlet of Chilliwack Lake, where 3 were observed, all staging. Conditions were excellent for seeing all of the spawning area this trip, and it was empty. For perspective, on this approximate date in 2013 we saw 20. Next site was Centennial Channel … water was very low and no fish or redds were seen. On this approximate date in 2011 we saw 15; in 2012 we saw 7, and in 2013 we saw 3. We have asked Chilliwack River hatchery staff to increase flows in this channel asap.
Water conditions were poor at the Middle Creek bridge so no observations were attempted, and Angel Wing was not walked. Of interest, about 40 clipped steelhead are now in the overflow channel at the hatchery, most of which appeared to average about 6-7 lbs, considerably smaller than normal.
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Did you take any water temps Dave? Would be interesting to compare to 2013 temps.
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I know, I know ... should have but didn't. Next and all other trips will do :D
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There was talk of a late bump of small fish a couple of weeks ago ... supposedly a lot in the 4-5lb range. I seem to recall a discussion earlier in the season about the huge hatchery fish that were being caught. I guess it all evens out over the long run ;)
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Should there even be any steelhead fishing with such miserable numbers?
Is this fishery managed in this way or is it a free-for-all because it is a provincial jurisdiction?
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Should there even be any steelhead fishing with such miserable numbers?
Is this fishery managed in this way or is it a free-for-all because it is a provincial jurisdiction?
I know the numbers seem very poor but it is still relatively early. I suggest the next 2-3 counts will shed more light on this issue, especially if more flow has been added to Centennial Channel, as we requested.
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Buck and I made our third trip into the upper river this morning. As usual the first stop was the outlet of Chilliwack Lake where today we 7 fish, all staging. Water temperature was 8° C. In 2013 on April 24 we saw 20. Signs of angling were obvious and it became plain how vulnerable these fish could be to poachers when Buck threw two nickels in the river and both were chased by steelhead.
Next stop was Centennial Channel where the water flow had been increased. Here we saw 1 steelhead and 1 trout of about 3 lbs, but not together. No redds. In past years on the approximate date we saw 15 (2011), 7 (2012), and 3 (2013). Water here was 5° C. No fish were seen in Angel Wing Channel, and 5 were observed holding under the Middle Creek Bridge. Last year at this approximate date we saw 4. Conditions for observations, at all sites, were excellent. Of interest, the largest fish we saw today was of average size, while all the others were definitely smaller than in past years.
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Thanks Dave and Buck for the reports. Its good know how the wild stocks are doing.
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Buck, KP and I completed our 4th check of spawners this morning, and as we expected, numbers improved. At Chilliwack Lake we counted 14, most of which were on gravel and paired off. Several trout were among them. In 2012 on May 3 we saw 14; in 2013 on May 2 we saw 35. Water temperature was 7° C; conditions for observations were not optimum but acceptable enough to make us believe we saw most of what was available.
Centennial channel had 13 fish, mostly singles with a few pairs. No redds were observed making us suspect these fish had just entered the channel.
Angel wing channel had 2 redds, while the holding pool below the Middle Creek bridge had 2 steelhead. The water was high but clear but it’s likely we did not see all fish that were at this site.
We are still seeing abnormally small fish … looks strange to see a 5lb’er paired with a fish 3 times that size.
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Cool. I hope you are recording all of this in an excel sheet, etc, as scientifically as possible. Would be neat for some grad student to use your work and "go on with it" so to speak :D
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We three are on that BR … a spreadsheet has been designed by my buddy Dan, aka Everyday, from this forum. Rodney has agreed to provide a link to this when we decide how we want the data edited and presented.
Buck, KP, and I plan on continuing this as long as we are able, but there are several other sections of the upper river that should be checked to add to this file; some are hard to access (most likely why we still have wild steelhead in this system), but for sure it would be great if others could carry this on in future years.
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Buck and I did our weekly steelhead count this morning, and it was dismal.
The outlet of Chilliwack Lake had 10 fish, 5 of which were spawning. In 2012 at this approximate date we saw 30; in 2013 we saw 21, and, in 2006, 80 were observed ( B.Usher, personal communication) Conditions for observations were good; water temp was 10° C. Several 2-3 lb trout and a few whitefish were seen as well.
We were expecting good things at Centennial channel this week but were disappointed – only 4 fish. Water temperature was 9° C. Last week this site had 13 fish which had not started spawning so we were surprised to see very little gravel movement and only one or two redds. It seems last week's fish either swam right on through the channel, or turned around and swam back out. They most certainly did not spawn on this superb gravel. Possibly related, we did see signs that anglers had been fishing in Centennial, and there is active logging in the area and the channel often times is very close to the road and it's loaded logging trucks. We have commented in the past how wary and how easily spooked these fish are in this channel. In all previous years we have seen many redds and gravel movement at this site. For a numbers perspective, in 2011 we saw 32; in 2012 we saw 7, and in 2013 we saw 18. In 2006, 49 were observed (Usher).
We could not count fish from the Middle Creek Bridge due to a highway crew doing maintenance, and time did not permit the walking of Angel wing; that I will do tomorrow and report back.
As usual, most of the fish we did see were smaller than normal but all appeared in excellent condition.
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Buck and I did our weekly steelhead count this morning, and it was dismal.
Hoping they have not contacted a communicable disease. ::)
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I had a look at Angelwing channel this morning … nada. In 2012 we counted 7
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Buck and I showed 2 DFO habitat restoration biologists around a bit of the upper Chilliwack River today. They were looking for a big ticket, big dollar, new spawning/rearing area channel, if funding comes through, and an easier and less expensive project involving gravel augmentation in known spawning areas for all Chilliwack River salmonids.
Our last stop was at the outlet of Chilliwack Lake… busy place with campers everywhere and many boat anglers – thankfully, none fishing in the area steelhead are now spawning. We saw several pairs, but accurate numbers were not possible as the water is high, people were many, and it was quite windy reducing visibility. Maybe 10 fish …
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Buck and I showed 2 DFO habitat restoration biologists around a bit of the upper Chilliwack River today. They were looking for a big ticket, big dollar, new spawning/rearing area channel, if funding comes through, and an easier and less expensive project involving gravel augmentation in known spawning areas for all Chilliwack River salmonids.
Our last stop was at the outlet of Chilliwack Lake… busy place with campers everywhere and many boat anglers – thankfully, none fishing in the area steelhead are now spawning. We saw several pairs, but accurate numbers were not possible as the water is high, people were many, and it was quite windy reducing visibility. Maybe 10 fish …
Good work Dave and Buck, good to have people with your knowledge showing the new boys around.
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Buck and I made our weekly trip up river this morning; as usual our first stop was the outlet of Chilliwack Lake where, thanks to buck putting in considerable effort for a better observation site, saw 11 spawners, interestingly, all clustered together in a relatively small area. Again, all of these fish were smaller than normal, maybe 6-7 lbs. Water was high, but clarity was acceptable for accurate counts.
Next up was Centenntial Channel … where one lonely slightly larger fish was observed. Last week we commented on the lack of redds and gravel movement in this bastion of spawning gravel … well, today we saw just one redd, exactly where we saw 3 of last week’s four fish. Water temp was 9.0°
Angel wing channel was not checked, and the spawning gravel/holding pool below the Middle Creek bridge was too high for counts.
We plan on at least one more count, next week. So far, what we have seen is exactly what we expected from the poor catches reported by anglers.
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I made my last trip of 2014 into the upper river this morning; due to the freshet I only looked at Centennial Channel. I was hoping for something positive … didn't happen – no fish seen, and no redds observed. I and others have walked this channel for close to 15 years, documenting the last 4 on FWR. This is the only year I can say there is a possibility there were no steelhead spawning here. This observation has huge implications, IMO, as this channel is home to all we think is required by steelhead IE. superb spawning gravel, necessary cover, few predators, abundant periphyton and invertebrates for fry and parr, and relatively little human encroachment.
We hope this year is simply an anomaly; we hope steelhead have successfully spawned in areas we did not cover. We hope the removal of 70-75 wild steelhead to feed the hatchery program on this system will prove beneficial to anglers 4 and 5 years in the future.
As you have read, I am passionate about these fish and this river, but I feel anything but optimistic right now.
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Thanks for your dedication to this work.
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cut the quota for wilds by half for hatchery enhancement, awesome work dave love to read this thread every year but never like hearing about fewer pairs and redds being spotted.
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cut the quota for wilds by half for hatchery enhancement
Zap, I fully support that idea. It would help in many ways … first, fewer wild steelhead would be sacrificed. Second, dollars would be freed up to raise these juveniles to the mandated 80g release size, and third, because fewer wild steelhead are being used, perhaps proper hatchery procedures regarding how these fish are spawned could be put in effect, so although the number of viable eggs would be less, still pretty close to todays’ procedures. My guess is the Chilliwack River Hatchery would be happy to implement these new protocols as they foot the $$ for raising these fish, and standard spawning procedures would streamline the work.
The problem, imo … I sincerely doubt the average angler would buy in … I and others have raised the topic of how Chilliwack steelhead are managed, and how that could be improved.
Apathetic is how I would describe the response.
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very interesting read. i personally would have no problem bucking up for a classified water licence to fish the vedder if the funds went to improve the survival of wild fish. thanks to all involved for making a difference.
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Thanks for the support bbf. I don't think making the C-V a classified river is the answer – way too close to so many people who demand, and really need, affordable fishing opportunities. Imo, they have these angling opportunities on the Chilliwack with the hatchery coho, chum, chinook, and every other year, wild pinks. Oh, and don't forget the steelhead parr released by the Chilliwack River hatchery that creates a “trout” fishery for kids throughout the summer.
But steelhead, and again this is just my opinion, are very different. They are an iconic part of the history of this watershed and angling in BC, and appear to be declining in numbers. I think steelhead angling on this system could and should be taxed, somehow, the money going to habitat improvements and improved hatchery procedures. How to bring this potential increased revenue into play is the question.
A good start though are discussions like these. :)
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i was thinking classified water between dec 1 and may 31. that way the proceeds go towards enhancement or to the hatchery.
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i was thinking classified water between dec 1 and may 31. that way the proceeds go towards enhancement or to the hatchery.
That makes sense to me.
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Become a member of the Steelhead Society of BC, ensure your voice is heard on behalf of wild steelhead
http://www.steelheadsociety.org/become-member
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i was thinking classified water between dec 1 and may 31. that way the proceeds go towards enhancement or to the hatchery.
While that is a good idea, you would have to figure out how many fisherman haven't bought a classified waters license and are fishing the Vedder between those times. If the river had a lot of non-residents fishing (like the Skeena or East Kootenay's) then a classified waters license would be an excellent revenue source.
However as a CW license for residents is $15 for a year, I think an additional $5 Vedder steelhead stamp to go with the steelie stamp on the Vedder might be a better option if the revenue goes directly to the vedder steelhead.
Also I would personally say to April 30th as the river closes above Vedder crossing, and the number of people on the river are at that point fly only till may 31 when it closes
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Here is a link to a study looking at survival rates of hatchery and wild steelhead juveniles and has implications for the management of Chilliwack steelhead.
http://www.steelheadsociety.org/sites/defa...-0165%20(1).pdf
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document no longer on web page
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document no longer on web page
That's too bad, I hope a few got to read it.
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lets try again
http://www.steelheadsociety.org/sites/default/files/cjfas-2013-0165%20(1).pdf
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Got it. Thank you Dave.