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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: aaron600 on November 26, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
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So I'm very new to baitcasting reels, and have only had my first one (Shimano Cardiff 401) for about a month now. I recently received a Shimano calcutta 201B (Gold version) I purchased online, and it seems that the drag on the Cardiff is much stronger than the Calcutta. With the Calcutta I can completely tighten the star drag and still pull line out (With some effort) but if I tighten the star drag on the Cardiff down there is no way I can pull the line out like I can on the Cardiff. So, is this normal because of the reel size difference or is something wrong with the Calcutta? I have also noticed the cast control knob on the Calcutta 201 is quite stiff when turning compared the to the Cardiff.
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Hmmm...strikes me as a bit odd. Is the Calcutta new? I would say take it out and fish it and be very careful not to ding it up, and if the drag is really sucking then return it (if possible). Even though the 201 is a smaller reel it should have a pretty solid drag. The Calcutta is one of the best baitcasters out there IMO it just sucks you can't get a 401 (only 400) or else I would have bought one long ago :o
Check online on Shimano's website and see what the drag rating is in lbs from the 201 to the 401. Say they are both 12 lbs, well then they should both feel pretty similar when you torque them down.
It IS possible that some knob tightened the drag hard on this 201 and it sat that way for a while and the drag washers got compressed, in which case your max drag is now much less than specs.
If the drag does appear to suck and you got a good deal on the reel and want to keep it, it's not a huge deal to swap out the drag washers. I had the drag washers upgraded on my cardiff 401 and 6501C3 and noticed a big difference. Guy I take my reels to charged me about 25 bucks a reel I think.
The Shimano Currado E series has a GREAT drag I have a 301E and the factory drag is better than either of my two other baitcasters with upgraded drags. It is my fav reel by far :)
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Yeah the reel is brand new, but came with the drag super tight. Are there any local shops that repair Shimanos? Im close to Sea Run but I know they send there stuff out.
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Both the Calcutta 201B and the Cardiff 401 have a max drag of 11 lbs according to Shimano's website. Go here to look up specs on each reel:
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/round_baitcasting.html
Mike's Reel Repair in Abbotsford can do repairs, and they also sell parts as well (you can order them online). I have a Calcutta 200B and it is one of my favorite reels! I'm not sure if I like it over my Lune 253, but it is a very nice reel to use for sure.
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Any warranty ?
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Here's what I would do. Take it to Sea Run as the staff there are awesome. Perhaps don't mention you bought it online ;)They can check it out, compare the 201 to the 401, maybe hook a scale up to it and test the drag in lbs. If confirmed yes the drag is no good, then I would contact the seller and inquire about a return/exchange. AND I would contact Shimano Canada and see what they have to say. Chances are they will repair for free if you ship to them, or they might have an authorized repair centre in this area.
If none of this pans out well, or you just cant be bothered and dont mind paying a shop to fix it, then I would ask around and go to where others reccomend. I have used Mike's in Abby, no issues but I felt they overcharged on labor. For years I've been going to Express Reel Service which is just off the no.3rd exit (between Abby and Chwk). IMO he does fantastic work, reasonable prices, and great customer service.
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Thanks for the advice Spawn Sack. Ill stop by Sea Run today and go from there.
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Ya man no worries. They'll be able to tell after a few tugs on the line if, yup that's how it should feel, or nope this drag is NFG. Bring the Cardiff as a comparison. If you're lucky they'll have another 200/201 calcutta and you cant spool a bit of line on it, torque down the drag, and see how it compares to your same reel. Let us know how you make out.
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Took it to Sea Run today, and they said it will be fine for now, but they can tell the drag washers were compressed from the star drag being kept cranked too tight during shipping etc... Just use it for now, and bring it in after next years fishing season and they will send it to Shimano for me. Very nice and informative as usual.
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Right on! Such great staff there. That souunds reasonable. Even though the reel seems to have less drag than factory specs, it more than likely has ENOUGH drag "left" to handle your average fish. Most of the time when my I'm fishing my drag is, I dunno, maybe 2/3rds or so as tight as it will go.
FYI you will likely have to pay a small ($20ish my guess) fee for them to sent the reel to Shimano, but surely less than taking it to a shop and paying them parts + labor. This is typical for most warranty claims on rods etc there is a flat fee for claims. I busted a fly rod this summer (my fault) and is was a $40 fee and in a month I got a new rod. Pretty fair IMO.
Also, in the event you don't know ALWAYS back your drag right off on any reel after a days fishing. I do this on my fly reel, everything. Not good for the drag washers to sit for days...weeks...months being compressed.
Lemme know how you like the 201. Now you kind of have me thinking of buying one as I LOVE the pervious generation Calcutta B reels but you can't get the 400 series in LH >:( The 200/201 I reckon would be a good reel for steelhead paired with a lighter salmon rod. My Curado 301E balances awesome on my lighted 10"6 med power salmon rod. On the beefier 11"6 med/heavy the reel is too light and I have to use the Cardiff 401.
If you have some more $ burning a hole in your pocket consider a CurradoE in 201 or 301. Don't even consider the G series they are crap. Abu Garcia Record (RCN 6601-HC) with the higher capacity spool also awesome and under $200. G/F fished one all salmon season and it worked flawlessly and hauled in MANY big arse salmon. I tried it out a few times and yup, it rocks.
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Right on! Such great staff there. That souunds reasonable. Even though the reel seems to have less drag than factory specs, it more than likely has ENOUGH drag "left" to handle your average fish. Most of the time when my I'm fishing my drag is, I dunno, maybe 2/3rds or so as tight as it will go.
FYI you will likely have to pay a small ($20ish my guess) fee for them to sent the reel to Shimano, but surely less than taking it to a shop and paying them parts + labor. This is typical for most warranty claims on rods etc there is a flat fee for claims. I busted a fly rod this summer (my fault) and is was a $40 fee and in a month I got a new rod. Pretty fair IMO.
Also, in the event you don't know ALWAYS back your drag right off on any reel after a days fishing. I do this on my fly reel, everything. Not good for the drag washers to sit for days...weeks...months being compressed.
Lemme know how you like the 201. Now you kind of have me thinking of buying one as I LOVE the pervious generation Calcutta B reels but you can't get the 400 series in LH >:( The 200/201 I reckon would be a good reel for steelhead paired with a lighter salmon rod. My Curado 301E balances awesome on my lighted 10"6 med power salmon rod. On the beefier 11"6 med/heavy the reel is too light and I have to use the Cardiff 401.
If you have some more $ burning a hole in your pocket consider a CurradoE in 201 or 301. Don't even consider the G series they are crap. Abu Garcia Record (RCN 6601-HC) with the higher capacity spool also awesome and under $200. G/F fished one all salmon season and it worked flawlessly and hauled in MANY big arse salmon. I tried it out a few times and yup, it rocks.
Why are you insisting on saying there is no Calcutta 401 ? Just type Calcutta 401 in your browser or go to Amazon.
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We are talking about the previous generation gold color 400B. This reel was never made in left hand. You can get the NEW generation in 401, but these reels are like $400ish and the old gen about $260. However the gold ones are SOLID reels esp for that price they were more like $350ish when new. Really cheeses me off Shimano never made a 401B. You can get the 201B which I'm sure is a great reel, but too small for the rod I wanted it for. I got the Cardiff 401 which is a totally decent reel I've had it for 4 years and it's caught a ton of fish and still going strong. But it's no Calcutta B. I like the new Calcutta's but don't know anyone who has owned/tried one. $400 for a baitcaster is a bit much for me.
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Actually, Shimano did make the gold Calcutta as a 401, but this was a previous generation to the "B" Series. The smaller Calcutta was called the 250/251, whereas the "B" series has the 200/201B. Bottom line is that to get a Calcutta 401, which was discontinued a number of years ago in favor of the "B" series, you probably have to get one second hand. Either way, it looks like you were both partially right. :D :D :D
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Actually, Shimano did make the gold Calcutta as a 401, but this was a previous generation to the "B" Series. The smaller Calcutta was called the 250/251, whereas the "B" series has the 200/201B. Bottom line is that to get a Calcutta 401, which was discontinued a number of years ago in favor of the "B" series, you probably have to get one second hand. Either way, it looks like you were both partially right. :D :D :D
Interesting, and I think I get what you're saying. So as we know there is no such thing as a Calcutta B 401, only the 400. However, are you saying if I can find a good condition used (or new if so lucky) Calcutta 251, it will be the same or close to the same size/specs as the Calcutta B 401?
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Spawn sack said the key words:BACK THE DRAG OFF after your finished fishing for the day...always always.you will have strong trouble free drag for years doing this.
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Interesting, and I think I get what you're saying. So as we know there is no such thing as a Calcutta B 401, only the 400. However, are you saying if I can find a good condition used (or new if so lucky) Calcutta 251, it will be the same or close to the same size/specs as the Calcutta B 401?
The Calcutta 250/251 was replaced by the Calcutta 200B/201B. I believe if you want a left handed Calcutta, then you should look for a Calcutta 401, which predated the "B" series. Good luck.
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I have fished both quite extensively and imho the Calcutta is twice the reel. As was stated I always back the drag off when not in use, I was told to do that by a friend many yrs ago. I had my Calcutta stolen and have been using my backup Cardiff for a few yrs. I had to send the Cardiff in to shimano and I got it back repaired with no charge and Freds didnt charge me either. Fished the Calcutta for 8 yrs without a problem and the Cardiff is in need of another service. Im going to retire it and find another over the winter....
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Spawn sack said the key words:BACK THE DRAG OFF after your finished fishing for the day...always always.you will have strong trouble free drag for years doing this.
Yup. learned this the hard way
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The Calcutta 250/251 was replaced by the Calcutta 200B/201B. I believe if you want a left handed Calcutta, then you should look for a Calcutta 401, which predated the "B" series. Good luck.
Got ya. Older 251 = same size as newer 201B.
I've looked online and the only thing that comes up for Calcutta 401 is the new ones. Can't find anything in 401 predating the 400B series. As already discussed no 401B was made. Gonna keep an eye out for an older pre B series 401 :D
Thanks for the help :)
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FrayedKnot:
I'm confused...both reels being discussed, the 250/251 and the newer 200/201B are BOTH Calcuttas :o The B series is just newer, but if you were to look at them side by side they would look very similar and both say "Calcutta" on the side.
Am I missing something?
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Yup. learned this the hard way
I think backing the drag right off when not in use is #1. Other tips I've learned from guys and I follow is keep a neoprene cover on it when not in use and when you're walking to/from your fishing spot. So when you slip and fall you don't drive your reel into the muck. Also keep it on when at home as it keeps the dust of it. Anoter good tip is do NOT submerge your baitcaster! They are not fully sealed and water will get inside. Water + grease = not good :o
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I've been watching a Calcutta 251 on ebay but the bidding has gone over what I'm willing to pay.
Lots of newer 201B reels out there I quite like them, might buy one :)
Has anyone heard of the Calcutta 201XT? From Japan, used, in good condition. Specs look pretty similar to the 201B but it's a bit lighter. Drag is rater "4kg" which is less than the 11lb sold in N.America.
Here is a link to one. If you scroll down in the pics youcan see that the one side has lots of cool looking holes in it. YES I realize that's just one more place for dirt to get in, but I always keep a cover on my reels when not in use and I never place them down in the much while fishing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-CALCUTTA-201-XT-LH-Baitcasting-Reel-/370938167865?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565da34239
Any opinions? I'm thinking of taking a chance and ordering from Japan. Contacted the guy who services my reels and he said should be no prob to get parts for here...should eb the same as the B series.
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Has anyone heard of the Calcutta 201XT? From Japan, used, in good condition. Specs look pretty similar to the 201B but it's a bit lighter. Drag is rater "4kg" which is less than the 11lb sold in N.America.
4kg is less than 11lbs, but 5kg is more than 12lbs... so it might be the same drag, it just doesn't convert nicely without decimals.
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4kg is less than 11lbs, but 5kg is more than 12lbs... so it might be the same drag, it just doesn't convert nicely without decimals.
Could you repeat this again.
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4 kilograms = 8.81 lb, 5 kilograms = 11.02 lb. Since when is 11 greater than 12 :P
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Haha don't worry guys I get the math ;) According to the guy who services my reels they both have the same guts. I wonder why the Japs didn't rate it 5kg, as that's closer to 11lbs than 4kg :o It's a smaller reel I'd use in slower water with a lighter rod so I wouldn't have the drag torqued right down anyway. If I buy it and am not happy with the drag I can always upgrade the washers. I have a bid on one right now but a few days left until auction is over. Fingers crossed.
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Rather than pay for shipping and the delay it would take to get it back .... I would take a drive out to Mikes in Abbotsford and have them install carbon fibre drag washers and do some other upgrades probably cost you the same and your reel will be better than brand new stock washers if they aren't too busy you would probably be able to pick it up the same day
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Rather than pay for shipping and the delay it would take to get it back .... I would take a drive out to Mikes in Abbotsford and have them install carbon fibre drag washers and do some other upgrades probably cost you the same and your reel will be better than brand new stock washers if they aren't too busy you would probably be able to pick it up the same day
I like this idea :) Also nice to get your reel cleaned/serviced but that costs extra $. Personally I have dealt with Mike's and Express Reel Service and found ERS to be a bit more reasonably priced. Same $ for parts but less $ for labor. Neither are cheap...last reel I had serviced was about $50 but I got the optional "super tune" which includes buffing all the friction points. Reel came back smoother and quieter than brand new out of the box :o
I doubt it's hard to figure out how to do the basic parts swaps etc on a baitcaster but the reels come back so buttery smooth I don't mind paying $50 once every 1-2 years for my reels. And with a monster fish on the reel needs to perform at it's best esp the drag! Reminds me of fishing a popular run this summer on the Vedder...guy beside me was having reel issues it was pretty noisey and wasn't engaging properly after casting. Looked like he had a Calcutta 400 B or TE. Anyway after a long lull in the fishing he hooks into a HUGE coho at least 15 lbs, he's battling it well, bringing it into the slack water, suddenly his reel locked up or something went majorly wrong with it and he couldn't reel, and while trying to sort it out with the fish on it snapped his leader. Morale of the story: If you don't know how to maintain your gear, pay someone to do it. Same goes for your vehicle.
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I like this idea :) Also nice to get your reel cleaned/serviced but that costs extra $. Personally I have dealt with Mike's and Express Reel Service and found ERS to be a bit more reasonably priced. Same $ for parts but less $ for labor. Neither are cheap...last reel I had serviced was about $50 but I got the optional "super tune" which includes buffing all the friction points. Reel came back smoother and quieter than brand new out of the box :o
I doubt it's hard to figure out how to do the basic parts swaps etc on a baitcaster but the reels come back so buttery smooth I don't mind paying $50 once every 1-2 years for my reels. And with a monster fish on the reel needs to perform at it's best esp the drag! Reminds me of fishing a popular run this summer on the Vedder...guy beside me was having reel issues it was pretty noisey and wasn't engaging properly after casting. Looked like he had a Calcutta 400 B or TE. Anyway after a long lull in the fishing he hooks into a HUGE coho at least 15 lbs, he's battling it well, bringing it into the slack water, suddenly his reel locked up or something went majorly wrong with it and he couldn't reel, and while trying to sort it out with the fish on it snapped his leader. Morale of the story: If you don't know how to maintain your gear, pay someone to do it. Same goes for your vehicle.
I used to bring my reel for servicing to Mike ,but I live far away and that presents a big problem to me.
Instead I learned to take car of my reels myself. $ 50 serves as a reel upgrade fund,bearings etc.
However i understand someone who for one or other reason put more trust in professionals.
If your reel fails at the worst moment it's easier on your own psyche to blame others - just joking.