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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: BCfisherman97 on August 09, 2012, 10:49:55 PM
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Do people not know how to read regs or just don't want to follow them?
I was fishing the Cap this evening and all of a sudden, a group of 4 people show up, pull out their little trout rods and start fishing. Then another man and his wife show up. All 6 of them were using bait (worms, roe, single eggs, corn), stuffing little smolts, cutties and I think a dolly (it was already starting to get dark) into bags. Just throwing them in. They had barbed hooks and were ripping the fishes lips when removing the hook. I approached all of them and told them what the regs were and that they were not allowed to do what they were doing. They said "Ok sorry man, I didn't know, I'll change it right away." Not 5 minutes pass when I look behind me and hes putting another fish into a plastic bag, using bait and keeping every fish they catch. I folded up my fly rod and just sat down by the viewing platform and watched. They were fishing well past dark and probably fished well after I left as they where pulling out their chairs.
I don't get people that just can't read the regs before they go out and fish, I phoned it in but no one showed up. The few fish they did put back were thrown in, some hitting rocks on the way down. Wonder how many smolts they killed...
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Some just don't care
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thats going to screw of the steelhead return in a few years
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I pointed that out to some people the other night! Same place. Light tackle rods, some split shot and a pinner float. I'm pretty one their rods was orange. Using worms for bait, keeping every little fish and tearing hooks out of their mouths. Not cool. That being said, they sure look green with envy when you catch a big fish.
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I was out on wednesday and the same thing was going on. But it was nice to see the co's out and get two of them but the rest just find out and leave . On a sad note I was casting a spinner for coho's and had hooked some line that was in the water and when I pulled it out it had a 8" trout with One 4/0 hook in its side and 3 tied down to a 1 oz bell weight. It's sad to see people fishing like that and it's bs that has to stop . When I new the trout was dead I felt even more pissed because their are people who are working so hard to bring the steelhead back and with idiots out screwing cupcakes up!
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Call RAPP next time right away please....it's your duty to protect our fishery. 1-877-952-7277 please put it in your contacts on your cell phone.
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Do people not know how to read regs or just don't want to follow them?
I was fishing the Cap this evening and all of a sudden, a group of 4 people show up, pull out their little trout rods and start fishing. Then another man and his wife show up. All 6 of them were using bait (worms, roe, single eggs, corn), stuffing little smolts, cutties and I think a dolly (it was already starting to get dark) into bags. Just throwing them in. They had barbed hooks and were ripping the fishes lips when removing the hook. I approached all of them and told them what the regs were and that they were not allowed to do what they were doing. They said "Ok sorry man, I didn't know, I'll change it right away." Not 5 minutes pass when I look behind me and hes putting another fish into a plastic bag, using bait and keeping every fish they catch. I folded up my fly rod and just sat down by the viewing platform and watched. They were fishing well past dark and probably fished well after I left as they where pulling out their chairs.
I don't get people that just can't read the regs before they go out and fish, I phoned it in but no one showed up. The few fish they did put back were thrown in, some hitting rocks on the way down. Wonder how many smolts they killed...
If i see that. Somebody is going in for a swim. >:(
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I pointed that out to some people the other night! Same place. Light tackle rods, some split shot and a pinner float. I'm pretty one their rods was orange. Using worms for bait, keeping every little fish and tearing hooks out of their mouths. Not cool. That being said, they sure look green with envy when you catch a big fish.
Yea the guy with his wife had an orange rod and that setup. But then the other 4 people came and started doing the same thing.
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I work in enforcement & "I didn't know" has become everyone's excuse. When did personal accountability die? When I fish the Cheak (year-round bait ban) & find worm containers, gas-station Roe wrappers... This is not mentioning litter. Obviously enforcement presence & public information are lacking. I guess too many people just figure there's a body of water, I can fish it & keep what I catch. I can only imagine what happens in remote areas. It makes me sick.
With the passion on this site, what sporties contibute to the economy, including non-residents who come here to fish, why is conservation such a low priority for governments?
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2 words, "cut backs." the federal governement just laid off approximately 1000 officers this year. not managers or pencil pushers, managers. Very disappointing.
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I know, but they allocate lots of money to things that are not as important...
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I know, but they allocate lots of money to things that are not as important...
Harper will be using the fisheries money to set up a Pipeline payoff and defense fund.
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In a place such as Capilano Regional Park I believe there could be additional enforcement. Not just CO, DFO, or RCMP.
I think GVRD could use park rangers, bylaw officers etc. They can write tickets for littering, dog poop/off leash, and smoking in a park. Why not breaking the fishing rules as well?
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Do people not know how to read regs or just don't want to follow them?
I was fishing the Cap this evening and all of a sudden, a group of 4 people show up, pull out their little trout rods and start fishing. Then another man and his wife show up. All 6 of them were using bait (worms, roe, single eggs, corn), stuffing little smolts, cutties and I think a dolly (it was already starting to get dark) into bags. Just throwing them in. They had barbed hooks and were ripping the fishes lips when removing the hook. I approached all of them and told them what the regs were and that they were not allowed to do what they were doing. They said "Ok sorry man, I didn't know, I'll change it right away." Not 5 minutes pass when I look behind me and hes putting another fish into a plastic bag, using bait and keeping every fish they catch. I folded up my fly rod and just sat down by the viewing platform and watched. They were fishing well past dark and probably fished well after I left as they where pulling out their chairs.
I don't get people that just can't read the regs before they go out and fish, I phoned it in but no one showed up. The few fish they did put back were thrown in, some hitting rocks on the way down. Wonder how many smolts they killed...
bring a camera next time you go out. Video is better but pictures will do. If reporting these poachers doesnt do anything then a good old public shaming will do. Thats the very reason I stopped goin by cable pool, makes my blood boil >:(. Even when there is dfo there and a guy fishing the rapids swinging his rod back every 5 seconds >:(
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Call RAPP next time right away please....it's your duty to protect our fishery. 1-877-952-7277 please put it in your contacts on your cell phone.
I agree its YOUR DUTY!! We need all the eyes we can get on these rivers just because of all these idiots. This day and age where we all have cell phones take photos, record what they are doing and get a licence plate number if you can as well.
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Call RAPP next time right away please....it's your duty to protect our fishery. 1-877-952-7277 please put it in your contacts on your cell phone.
Done. Saved in phone. I'd like meet some of you guys who care about this stuff. I prefer not to confront cheaters solo, but if six guys walked up to them and said "You're breaking the rules" they might be more inclined to stop than if one person tells them to stop.
I may go tonight depending on how work goes.
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Observe, Record and Report (ORR)
Date, time and location (e.g.: nearest town, fishing location)
Identity or description of violators (e.g.: height, weight, hair colour)
Boat or vehicle description (e.g.: licence, colour, make)
Evidence at the scene
Action of violator(s)
Then call 911. This way it will be recorded. It is an offence under the Wildlife Act.
At a minimum, if you have just witnessed a serious violation, call 1-877-952-7277 (RAPP) or #7277 on the TELUS Mobility Network
And here is the online form http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/cos/rapp/form.htm
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Has any one ever tried to call the non-emergency RCMP in a case like this?
I think RCMP is way more likely to come out and they can also hand out tickets as far as I know.
In a case like this where a very delicate run is being butchered it might be worth a try.
Cheers,
Dan
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Call RAPP next time right away please....it's your duty to protect our fishery. 1-877-952-7277 please put it in your contacts on your cell phone.
why didn't you call RAPP? We all need to start reporting infractions, we all mostly carry phones with camera and or video capabilities.
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I agree, call RAPP immediately. Take some photos ... we should post photos of violators on here. Shame these guys on a public forum, much like the rioters, shame them ... maybe they will think twice the next time they "don't know the rules".
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why didn't you call RAPP? We all need to start reporting infractions, we all mostly carry phones with camera and or video capabilities.
I was there tonight and there were SEVEN people using bait. Mostly worms. Two guys were using what I'm 99% certain was raw chicken.
I called RAPP and spoke with them on the phone for about six or seven minutes. The guy said thanks for calling, they would try to send someone but it won't happen today, he said they usually have bigger fish to fry on busier rivers, they're spread way too thin right now and I'd have better luck calling the DFO (I am not kidding). He finished by telling me I should feel free to confront the people violating the bait ban and tell them to stop.
You know what I think would go a long way: a couple of big-my friend signs that say "No bait fishing Aug 1-Oct 31" It's not perfect, but it will at least notify people that are literate and have two brain cells to rub together that they can't use bait right now.
PS - I caught no fish. :-[
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why didn't you call RAPP?
I phoned it in but no one showed up.
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RAPP is not the only number u can call. DFO Fishery Officers have a number as well its 1-800-465-4336. They have the same powers as CO's. CALL AS SOON AS U KNOW THERE IS A VIOLATION!!!! There are less FO and CO offices around so it naturally takes longer to respond. Enviro law enforcement officers are similar to the police in a sense that if nobody call then they don't know something is wrong or something is happening in real time. For whatever reason people have no problem calling in an assault to police but when it's poaching nobody wants to call.
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In my experience CO's are more concerned with game than fish. Most CO's are more hunters, not real fisherman, so thats where there interest/focus is on. Fisheries officers better choice
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Don't give up because the staffing rate is thin! NOW is the time to be more diligent, report every infraction.
If the DFO sees a trend of thieves that they can't get to based on our numerous reports, then they have the ammunition to create the business case to hire more field enforcement.
Report EVERY infraction. (there's an echo in here.)
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Just carry an old throw away knife, toss it in the bushes behind them. Call 911 tell them that you were threatened with a knife when you went to tell them that they should not be using bait. Just make sure that you do not leave prints on the throw away. ;D Thrift shops have lots of old knives cheap. RCMP come fast to knife fights. ;D Police find knife and then look for anything that they can charge including fisheries offenses.
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lol speycaster you are hilarious.
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do you speak from experience on this subject?
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Just carry an old throw away knife, toss it in the bushes behind them. Call 911 tell them that you were threatened with a knife when you went to tell them that they should not be using bait. Just make sure that you do not leave prints on the throw away. ;D Thrift shops have lots of old knives cheap. RCMP come fast to knife fights. ;D Police find knife and then look for anything that they can charge including fisheries offenses.
I know you are joking and hopefully no one takes you seriously. ::)
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Has any one ever tried to call the non-emergency RCMP in a case like this?
I think RCMP is way more likely to come out and they can also hand out tickets as far as I know.
In a case like this where a very delicate run is being butchered it might be worth a try.
Cheers,
Dan
Hey guys, Everyday has a good idea here. I work in a Provincial Park and we have to call RCMP Non-Emergency often for fights, boating infractions, drinking and driving, etc. They are always pretty quick to respond, even though we are out of town a bit. If time is a factor in catching/stopping the poachers this might be an effective option. Many more Police officers are available to respond to things than the couple of CO's or DFO officers we have cause they can't be everywhere. Maybe next time, if you haven't found success with RAPP, try Non-Emergency. If you are in Chilliwack the number Is 604-792-4611 and just ask for reports desk. They will dispatch someone and most often the officer will call the number you leave with them for further info on the situation.
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north vancouver rcmp 604-985-1311
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my thought on reporting all infractions is; by doing so we are contributing to the management of the stock, we are able to put the officios on notice that we too are involved.
Perhaps by making reports someone will take notice and realise that management /policing is desperately under manned and budget priorities need to be addressed.
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Rapp is a joke !! Had a very large blackbear in my front yard acting very agressive and bluff charged me as i unknowingly walked past it while it was under a weeping willow tree in my front yard. I backed away very slowly went in a called the RCMP was told it was a Co issue an to call Rapp. I called rapp and after a week got tired f waiting so i called to complain saying i had seen the bear several times. The dispatcher that took the second call said dont get mad at me the first call a week ago was not dispatched. I told them i wanted a call asap as it was in my yard again acting agressive when i vacated my car and i would shoot it. I got a call with in half an hour saying that if i shot it i could be charged because it was not a threat unless it was bereaking my door down and they then said they would be out with a trap the next day well its well over a month and i havent heard from the Co's either. So go figure , what does one do?
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Call them to tell them you just shot the bear and come pick up the carcass. Guarantee they'll be there within an hour ;)
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I have seen this in the canyon.The first time this older asian fellow was casting with this tiny little spinning rod and had five little steelhead smolts stuffed in a bag.I said to him you cant keep these, there steelhead smolts and he played dumb and left, he new what they were,anyways i havent seen him since!,too bad the smolts were dead,made me sad.
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I didnt have my rod with me and was in the area so decided to visit cable pool to have a look. I haven't been back since the rock weir was built down by the mall.
It was such a nice day so i sat back to enjoy the sun and watch people fish.
There were 2 guys down on the lower rock fishing with little trout rods. One guy hooked into a good sized coho but broke off in 2 seconds. Than I looked over to my left and this one guy with a mustache had a jar with dirt in it .
I walked over to have a better look at the jar and I was going to tell him that there is a baitban in effect but wanted to make sure he was using bait first. While I waited for him to reel up he pull back on his rod to set the hook. Again and again. When he reeled up I saw nothing on his hook. Im sure he seen it too but he just cast right back in and jerked his rod back. He was trying to foul hook the fish.
I told him that what he was doing was illegal and that there is a baitban in effect and he just looked at me for a second and went right back to doing what he was doing. Totally ignoring me. So I took out my camera and snapped some pics and also recorded a video. I didnt bother calling DFO cuz the last time I called about snaggers in dog leg they took my info over the phone and never got back to me and no one showed up.
Should I post the video on youtube?
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You should always report incidents like this to fisheries. Sometimes they can't respond because they don't have the manpower, but it is important that they have a record of the incident.
As far as the Youtube, I would have no hesitation posting it (and calling fisheries with the link). If they were not embarrassed when you saw them why would it bother them if it's all over the internet? ::)
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You should always report incidents like this to fisheries. Sometimes they can't respond because they don't have the manpower, but it is important that they have a record of the incident.
As far as the Youtube, I would have no hesitation posting it (and calling fisheries with the link). If they were not embarrassed when you saw them why would it bother them if it's all over the internet? ::)
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Rapp is a joke !! Had a very large blackbear in my front yard acting very agressive and bluff charged me as i unknowingly walked past it while it was under a weeping willow tree in my front yard. I backed away very slowly went in a called the RCMP was told it was a Co issue an to call Rapp. I called rapp and after a week got tired f waiting so i called to complain saying i had seen the bear several times. The dispatcher that took the second call said dont get mad at me the first call a week ago was not dispatched. I told them i wanted a call asap as it was in my yard again acting agressive when i vacated my car and i would shoot it. I got a call with in half an hour saying that if i shot it i could be charged because it was not a threat unless it was bereaking my door down and they then said they would be out with a trap the next day well its well over a month and i havent heard from the Co's either. So go figure , what does one do?
Roman candles work well. Try lathering a spray can of something that tastes awful with bacon fat. We used to use Raid when I worked in a logging camp.
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How about a picture of the offender posted in the location of the offense with a description of the offense?
That may be creepy enough for him if he comes back and sees it.
No idea if it is legal or illegal.
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Roman candles work well. Try lathering a spray can of something that tastes awful with bacon fat. We used to use Raid when I worked in a logging camp.
cored apples filled with hot chilli powder.
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I didnt have my rod with me and was in the area so decided to visit cable pool to have a look. I haven't been back since the rock weir was built down by the mall.
It was such a nice day so i sat back to enjoy the sun and watch people fish.
There were 2 guys down on the lower rock fishing with little trout rods. One guy hooked into a good sized coho but broke off in 2 seconds. Than I looked over to my left and this one guy with a mustache had a jar with dirt in it .
I walked over to have a better look at the jar and I was going to tell him that there is a baitban in effect but wanted to make sure he was using bait first. While I waited for him to reel up he pull back on his rod to set the hook. Again and again. When he reeled up I saw nothing on his hook. Im sure he seen it too but he just cast right back in and jerked his rod back. He was trying to foul hook the fish.
I told him that what he was doing was illegal and that there is a baitban in effect and he just looked at me for a second and went right back to doing what he was doing. Totally ignoring me. So I took out my camera and snapped some pics and also recorded a video. I didnt bother calling DFO cuz the last time I called about snaggers in dog leg they took my info over the phone and never got back to me and no one showed up.
Should I post the video on youtube?
Call RAPP, I called in someone and they busted him 5 minutes later... Luckily they were in the area but it always helps to call it in.
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You should always report incidents like this to fisheries. Sometimes they can't respond because they don't have the manpower, but it is important that they have a record of the incident.
As far as the Youtube, I would have no hesitation posting it (and calling fisheries with the link). If they were not embarrassed when you saw them why would it bother them if it's all over the internet? ::)
Will do next time.