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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: aquapaloosa on July 13, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
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Salmon plight misrepresented
By Dave Mergle, The Maple Ridge Times July 12, 2012
Informed citizens cannot sit idly by while misguided fish activists play fast and loose with the facts. Elena Edwards’s reference to the collapse of the sockeye returns in 2009 [Environment: Salmon disappearing, July 5 Letters, www.mrtimes.com] ignores a few inconvenient truths such as:..
http://www.mrtimes.com/news/Fisheries+Salmon+plight+misrepresented/6923663/story.html (http://www.mrtimes.com/news/Fisheries+Salmon+plight+misrepresented/6923663/story.html)
Farmed fish to help meet growing demand - FAO
Reuters, Mon Jul 9, 2012
MILAN, July 9 (Reuters) - Aquaculture output is expected to rise 33 percent over the next decade helping to meet the world's growing demand for fish as healthy and nutritious food gains popularity while fishing stagnates, the United Nations' food agency said on Monday…
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E8I6BR820120709 (http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E8I6BR820120709)
Tofino activist group gets its facts wrong
Mainstream Canada Newsletter, Tue, 2012-07-10
A recent public statement by the Friends of Clayoquot Sound gets almost all the facts wrong about our Plover Point farm site application, about IHN, ISA and the Cohen Commission.
The site application, which has been in process for two years, is nearly complete. We have provided information during the application process to the public through our website, through open houses held last year and we have also provided information to individuals who asked for it, including members of the Friends of Clayoquot Sound.
http://www.mainstreamcanada.com/tofino-activist-group-gets-its-facts-wrong (http://www.mainstreamcanada.com/tofino-activist-group-gets-its-facts-wrong)
Anti- aquaculture activists corrected
Canada: A new salmon farm application receives a rough ride from environmentalists, despite having the support from the ultimate authority on environmental stewardship- the local First Nation
FishfarmingXpert, Odd Grydeland, July 11, 2012
http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95370 (http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=95370)
Blog: Kudoa in your fish sticks: anti-salmon farming agitators ignore the big picture
Posted by salmonfarmscience, July 9, 2012
The small group of agitators at Salmon are Sacred sure act like a cult.
We do not use this term lightly. It is far to easy to use this term baselessly to demonize an opponent, and we are not interested in doing that.
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/07/09/kudoa-in-your-fish-sticks/ (http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/07/09/kudoa-in-your-fish-sticks/)
Blog: Alaskan salmon: Product of China
Protesting the Protestors, July 9, 2012
The package of salmon burgers sure looks appealing. I came across one similar during my last visit to Costco...These burgers come from fish which were caught in Alaska and frozen at sea. The fish (packaged as head-on, gutted whole fish) were then shipped to a factory in China.
http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/alaskan-salmon-product-of-china/ (http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/alaskan-salmon-product-of-china/)
Climate change and pre-spawn mortality linked by genetics
Salmon Farm Science, Jul 11, 2012
An analysis of 32 years of scientific data suggests that because of warming ocean temperatures, salmon are evolving to return to river systems to spawn earlier than ever before.
http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/07/11/climate-change-and-pre-spawn-mortality-linked-by-genetics/ (http://salmonfarmscience.com/2012/07/11/climate-change-and-pre-spawn-mortality-linked-by-genetics/)
Transfer of Guilt
Protesting the Protesters, July 13, 2012
Patrick Moore, an original founder of Greenpeace, quit the organization after 15 years. Recently he wrote the book Confessions of a Greenpeace Drop Out. He was recently quoted as saying:
“What the (activist) environmentalists have done is they’ve gotten all the city people thinking all the people out there in the environment growing all the food, cutting the trees, digging the minerals and damming the rivers are the enemy. When in actuality it is them (city people) who are demanding all that stuff be done to satisfy their needs for infrastructure, energy, food and materials in urban centers. And yet they are able to transfer whatever guilt they should be feeling onto those hard working people who are outdoors in the rain and snow and sun doing all the work to produce all the stuff the people in their condominiums and corner offices are enjoying.”
http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/transfer-of-guilt/ (http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/transfer-of-guilt/)
CAIA Response: Greenpeace Canada 'red-listing' of farmed Atlantic Salmon
CAIA, July 6, 2012
http://www.aquaculture.ca/files/Greenpeace.php (http://www.aquaculture.ca/files/Greenpeace.php)
Summer sockeye return expected to be very low
VANCOUVER/CKNW (AM980), Marcella Bernardo, 7/6/2012
More bad news for BC's sockeye salmon fishery.
Predictions for this summer's return are dismal.
Numbers put together by the Fraser River Panel of the Pacific Salmon Commission show little more than two million fish could return this season --the lowest since records started being kept in 1956.
http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1734641 (http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1734641)
Fraser freshet affects sockeye returns
Commercial fishery unlikely in 2012
By Paul J. Henderson, The Times July 12, 2012
The largest Fraser River freshet in 40 years could negatively impact already dismal forecasts of sockeye salmon this season.
http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/Fraser+freshet+affects+sockeye+returns/6921088/story.html (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/Fraser+freshet+affects+sockeye+returns/6921088/story.html)
Copper Makes Salmon An Easy Meal For Predators: Study
International Business Times, By Roxanne Palmer, July 10, 2012
Copper leaching into a salmon's habitat makes the fish more vulnerable to predators, according to new research from Washington State University.
WSU scientist Jenifer McIntyre found that the metal, which can find its way from mines, pesticides, building materials and brake linings into the salmon's home via storm water runoff, messes with the salmon's sense of smell, preventing it from sniffing a warning chemical released by other fish.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/361541/20120710/copper-salmon-predators-alarm-shreckstoff.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/361541/20120710/copper-salmon-predators-alarm-shreckstoff.htm)
Climate change drives salmon evolution
News Scientist, 11 July 2012 by Sara Reardon
For salmon trying to make it upriver to spawn before a hot summer hits, slow and steady loses the evolutionary race.
Salmon DNA records stretching back over 30 years show that nature has increasingly selected for fish that migrate from the ocean earlier in the year. It is among the first pieces of genetic evidence that climate change is driving the evolution of a species.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22042-climate-change-drives-salmon-evolution.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22042-climate-change-drives-salmon-evolution.html)
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Thanks aqua, a few there I hadn't seen. Fish farms don't seem to be causing any problems for Chilliwack Lake sockeye ... looks like a lot of fish returning.
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Thanks aqua, a few there I hadn't seen. Fish farms don't seem to be causing any problems for Chilliwack Lake sockeye ... looks like a lot of fish returning.
Lets go catch some. ;D ;D
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"while misguided fish activists play fast and loose with the facts."
As apposed to what the fish farming industry does ? If fish farming was an oil pipeline we would be knee deep in the hoopla. Just saying and not really wanting to go down that road again. On the bright side some stores are now getting "with it" and selling land based farmed fish. But I know there will be those that still like their dirty net based farmed salmon. It takes a while to withdraw from the SLICE. They say it's a worse withdrawl than cigs and crack.
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long link
http://www.watershed-watch.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CohenInquiryHighlightsReport.pdf?utm_content=normanfarrell.ca%40gmail.com&utm_source=VerticalResponse&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Cohen%20Inquiry%20Highlights%3A%20Synopsis%20of%20Key%20Evidence%20from%20the%20Commission%20of%20Inquiry%20into%20the%20Decline%20of%20Fraser%20River%20Sockeye&utm_campaign=Watershed%20Watch%27s%20Cohen%20Inquiry%20Highlights%20Reportcontent
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The unabridged version found here http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/Schedule/ (http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/Schedule/) contains all the information, not just selected portions.
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Interesting read.
http://www.globaltvbc.com/lack+of+food+ocean+conditions+behind+poor+2009+sockeye+returns/6442679161/story.html
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nteresting read.
http://www.globaltvbc.com/lack+of+food+ocean+conditions+behind+poor+2009+sockeye+returns/6442679161/story.html
Good Post.
I wonder what the creative interpretations of you know who are going to look like.
You know their brainstorming a version as we post.
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Good Post.
I wonder what the creative interpretations of you know who are going to look like.
You know their brainstorming a version as we post.
Conspiracy theory of course....... ;)
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Interesting read.
http://www.globaltvbc.com/lack+of+food+ocean+conditions+behind+poor+2009+sockeye+returns/6442679161/story.html
Good article.... unfortunately they only studied the ocean conditions as they related to the sockeye's food supply. What they didn't study was the effect on the sockeye smolts that had to swim past that gauntlet of lice infested farms.
Picture a weak starved fish, looking for food and finding a good supply in and around the feedlots...... If it didn't get eaten by the feedlot fish, it picked up a load of sea lice which would have weakened it making it vulnerable to predators.
All the article proves is feedlots are not the sole reason for low sockeye returns. Eliminate the feedlots (which is the only controllable factor) and you give future sockeye a chance.
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Good article.... unfortunately they only studied the ocean conditions as they related to the sockeye's food supply. What they didn't study was the effect on the sockeye smolts that had to swim past that gauntlet of lice infested farms.
Picture a weak starved fish, looking for food and finding a good supply in and around the feedlots...... If it didn't get eaten by the feedlot fish, it picked up a load of sea lice which would have weakened it making it vulnerable to predators.
All the article proves is feedlots are not the sole reason for low sockeye returns. Eliminate the feedlots (which is the only controllable factor) and you give future sockeye a chance.
Ok so why not include sporties and the commies too.
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Ok so why not include sporties and the commies too.
This article refers to the 30 to 50 days scientists believe the sockeye spend in the Straight..... Sporties and Commies don't target smolts.
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So basically its only fish farms that harm sockeye, commies are ok as are sporties...gimme a break. Commmies and sporties do target them ...on their return.
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Give AF a break. Without sportys and commies he has no support for his agenda. As long as there are fish farms for groups to speculate and blame game some how sporties and commies are blame free.
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How stupid of me, sorry Aqua my bad, I forgot he's on the flow a tossin and a flossin... ;) ;) ;)
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Weren't you guys whining because of the abuse you were getting on another board?
You say that you appreciate that no one is doing that here but it appears that you are now the ones giving out personal abuse.
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"while misguided fish activists play fast and loose with the facts."
As apposed to what the fish farming industry does ? If fish farming was an oil pipeline we would be knee deep in the hoopla. Just saying and not really wanting to go down that road again. On the bright side some stores are now getting "with it" and selling land based farmed fish. But I know there will be those that still like their dirty net based farmed salmon. It takes a while to withdraw from the SLICE. They say it's a worse withdrawl than cigs and crack.
You might want to check out those sorry looking land based coho Jimmy P is selling in saveon. Saw them a couple of days ago. Wafer thin fillets a little too red in colour for coho and some whole head on far from even being harvest size curled up in a bag and somewhat freezer burnt. Sorry like you said some of us will keep our ocean grown fish thanks. Do we grow beef on the water ?
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not that I would eat any type of farmed salmon but I would pay double for a land based coho rather than a ocean pen Atlantic if thats all that was left.
Because you know all the wild ones are going to die off anyways so we better be the first to jump on the profits.
still can't get over that response :-[
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So basically its only fish farms that harm sockeye, commies are ok as are sporties...gimme a break. Commmies and sporties do target them ...on their return.
Studies have shown that the productivity (adults produced per spawner) of Sockeye is not the problem, the problem lies somewhere between the smolt stage and the return as spawners. Let's not forget, we want to save the wild salmon so we can catch them, not just to watch the spawn and take photos and such, (although there are tourism dollars in that too). Wild salmon are a part of the psyche of British Columbians. This is why people fight so passionately for it. It is not just about saving jobs and economic prosperity. It is about preserving a way of life and a part of our cultural identity. There is no love affair with a farm grown salmon.
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Studies have shown that the productivity (adults produced per spawner) of Sockeye is not the problem, the problem lies somewhere between the smolt stage and the return as spawners. Let's not forget, we want to save the wild salmon so we can catch them, not just to watch the spawn and take photos and such, (although there are tourism dollars in that too). Wild salmon are a part of the psyche of British Columbians. This is why people fight so passionately for it. It is not just about saving jobs and economic prosperity. It is about preserving a way of life and a part of our cultural identity. There is no love affair with a farm grown salmon.
Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum). It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser. Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners. What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between. However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life. Studies this year have been directed to help address this.
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Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum). It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser. Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners. What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between. However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life. Studies this year have been directed to help address this.
This the phase that they swim past the feedlots isn't it? :o
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This the phase that they swim past the feedlots isn't it? :o
lol
It's the phase where they swim past many things. Even those Fraser Sockeye that returned in 2010. Pink salmon also swim by salmon farms also. How are their numbers doing these days? Any extinction going on? I like your type of research....If they are swimming by them it must be them that's causing the problems. Let's forget trying to find out more. You're funny.
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lol
It's the phase where they swim past many things. Even those Fraser Sockeye that returned in 2010. Pink salmon also swim by salmon farms also. How are their numbers doing these days? Any extinction going on? I like your type of research....If they are swimming by them it must be them that's causing the problems. Let's forget trying to find out more. You're funny.
Stating "that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life" and then dismissing the feedlots as a possible cause is neither funny, nor is it good science.
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Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum). It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser. Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners. What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between. However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life. Studies this year have been directed to help address this.
Thanks Steve, that is what I was trying to get at, that the sockeye themselves are "producing" enough recruits, but those recruits are not returning in corresponding numbers. There is definitely a problem somewhere in the marine phase.
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Stating "that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life" and then dismissing the feedlots as a possible cause is neither funny, nor is it good science.
You definitely know quite a bit about "good science".
Yes, and it happens to be the "Norwegian" strain of the virus, and it's been found in a Cultus lake trout.
Not a lot of guessing to conclude that a Cultus lake sockeye swam past an ocean based salmon feedlot, picked up the virus and carried it back to Cultus..... Interesting that CFIA is not planning on testing for that particular virus.
Seems as though you have it all figured out. Thanks for calling me out...lol.