Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Robert_G on May 23, 2012, 02:15:55 PM
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1 Spring has been caught in the Albion Test fishery during the month of May so far. Can't remember it ever being this bad.
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Rivers pretty high right now, those fish are well spread out. Plus at Albion they dont take any tides into consideration when dropping the nets so migration times arent accurate.
Thats my way of being optimistic. ;)
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hard to find them in high water... the last few years by now they have usually netted an average of 20 fish...2008 had 5 by this time, the same as this year.
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Early run Chinook are hurting bad, and with DFO's mandate to promote aquaculture and do F%#$ all else, look for summer run and fall run salmon to follow suit.
Meanwhile anglers in Washington, Oregon and California are boating limits of Springer Chinooks on a multitude of rivers.
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I'll say: http://www.oregonfishingforum.com/showthread.php/23528-Spring-chinook-blood-bath
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Early run Chinook are hurting bad, and with DFO's mandate to promote aquaculture and do F%#$ all else, look for summer run and fall run salmon to follow suit.
Meanwhile anglers in Washington, Oregon and California are boating limits of Springer Chinooks on a multitude of rivers.
ya but look at the dollars they are spending and the hatchery output, almost all those fish are hatchery
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I guess our limited number of wild chinook are being out-competed for food by the American hatchery fish. Let's assume the survival rate in the ocean is 1%. If the Americans pump out 50 millon fry, they will have 500,000 fish return. Likewise, if our wild stock only produce 1 million fry, we will have 10,000 return. The maths don't work in our favour. Time to hang up the chinook rods.
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I guess our limited number of wild chinook are being out-competed for food by the American hatchery fish. Let's assume the survival rate in the ocean is 1%. If the Americans pump out 50 millon fry, they will have 500,000 fish return. Likewise, if our wild stock only produce 1 million fry, we will have 10,000 return. The maths don't work in our favour. Time to hang up the chinook rods.
id say therre is a lot more than 10,000 springs returning....the natives reported they killed 20,000 last year...so you know it was probably a lot more. sporties on the fraser probably kill a couple thousand not to mention commercial guys.
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Rod in his written article & soon to be video tells of a successful catch of chinook. ( with Bon Chovy Fishing Charter )
Maybe it is the "how to catch" them.
May be yous need to sharpen up on your "fishing skills" ;D
Pointing fingers at myself too as after listening to Jason's vid ( Pacific Angler ) Noticed I've only had my spoons 3 ft behind the flasher when it should of been 6 ft. :o
No wonder my catch record is lower than most sports fisher "people".
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Or maybe like everything else last season they are just late....
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Maybe they are to "Smart" ::)
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...or maybe the numbers are really low this season?? :-\
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=142833&ID=recreational
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I believe this threads was about Fraser River bound Chinook, not ocean caught fish, large majority of Ocean caught fish at this time are headed for Washington, Oregon and California.
As far as Fraser Chinooks go it is blatantly obvious to anyone and DFO that early run Chinooks are in dire straights, hence the no fishing until late July and now August that we are subjected too. Hopefully mother nature sorts this out and provides more early fish to the spawning grounds. What really sucks is we are experiencing good marine conditions now, and nothing is being done in regards to enhancing these stocks, when el nino and low water seasons return it could get ugly.
Test sets are pretty good at revealing the numbers in my experience, good numbers in the test sets always resulted in better catches, but with visibility horrible the last few years, I have'nt done alot of early season Chinook Fishing in the Fraser. Historically lots of Chinook began entering the Fraser as early as mid March, that has all changed in recent years, with a majority of the Fraser Chinook that are doing well being mid July till early september fish and then the Fall Chinook enter the lower tribs in early September till late October, lots of these around last few years with last season being dynamite on the Harrison system.
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Bang on Rod, these early Fraser chinooks are really close to extirpation.
IMO, the only thing that can possibly save them is no harvest, by any method, by anyone, anywhere.
Sadly I can't see that happening in time to save these fish.
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In 2011 for the month of may there was only 11 chinook caught in the Albion test fishery. This year we are currently at 7 Chinook for may so were not that far off and if you look at the month of June for 2011 the springs did not really start showing up in decent numbers until around June 20th.
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Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada
Subject: FN0467-SALMON - Fraser River Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 Chinook - June 4th Abundance Update
In 2012, the Department has identified concerns associated with expected poor
returns of Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook to the Fraser River. Management
of these stocks is based on an in-season assessment of returns using the
cumulative catch per unit effort (CPUE) of chinook at the Albion Test
Fishery. A three-zone management approach is used to identify management
actions. Management actions for a return of less than 30,000 chinook to the
Fraser River (management zone 1) were planned pre-season based on the number of
spawners in the 2007 parental generation (22,000 chinook) and the recent lower
than average return rates.
The model used to predict the returns of Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook to
the Fraser River uses data from the standard chinook net at the Albion Test
fishery and does not use catch from the multi-panel net (which is currently
fished on alternating days). The standard chinook net is an 8 inch (approx. 20
cm) mesh.
The 2012 Albion chinook test fishery began operating on April 25th. A total of
four (4) chinook have been caught in the standard chinook net; an additional
seven (7) chinook have been caught in the multi-panel net. The CPUE input into
the model falls below the lower range of historical CPUE's used to parameterize
the model (1995 to 2010, excluding 2007). Based on this CPUE, for the period
May 6 to June 2, the current predicted return to the mouth of the Fraser of
Spring 5-2 and Summer 5-2 chinook in the aggregate ranges from 30,000 to 65,000
chinook (median of 43,930). At this time, there continues to be considerable
uncertainty about the estimated return to the Fraser. A need for a cautious
approach to management of Fraser chinook continues to apply.
The next update has been scheduled for June 11th. Appropriate management
actions will be confirmed pending the next update if possible. The final in-
season update is scheduled for June 18th. Previously announced fishery
management actions to conserve Fraser River chinook remain in effect until
further notice.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Jeff Grout 604-666-0497
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0467
Sent June 4, 2012 at 16:10
Visit us on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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Keep it closed Jeff!
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No bb gong show and no more bb morons by catching huge Thompson steelhead like I saw last year on the one day I went out like a bb moron.