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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: mykisscrazy on March 05, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
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Fishing for Answers: Salmon Facts & Fiction
Thursday March 8th, 1:00 – 2:30 pm
Forest Sciences Centre 1003
Open to the public
If you cannot make it in person, you can access the live webinar link here. Please log in 5 minutes early.
https://sas.elluminate.com/site/external/launch/meeting.jnlp?sid=2011438&password=M.C9CB73353704E98B140DD91BE97517
Abstract: My research program has the aim of discovering how fish work and communicating this knowledge to the scientific community. Where possible, we also inform problems in fish management. Although we work on a wide variety of fishes, I will present two research vignettes related to salmon in British Columbia. Both topics fall within the broader realm of global climate change. One vignette will describe some of what we are discovering about the current and future impacts of a warmer Fraser River on adult sockeye salmon migration. The second vignette will describe what we are discovering about the potential impact of sea lice on baby pink salmon. These two topics juxtapose the need for a secure, healthy food supply for a growing population with that for fish conservation. The subtext will be that detailed facts cannot be ignored in larger public debates. The secondary dilemma then becomes one of accurately and effectively communicating critical information to the public, and allowing them to make properly informed decisions about the shape of their future.
Speaker Bio: Tony holds a joint appointment in the Zoology Department & the Faculty of Land and Food Systems, and he also serves as the Associate Dean for Postdoctoral Fellows at UBC. He is a Canada Research Chair (Tier 1) in Fish Physiology, Culture and Conservation. Tony’s research passion is studying how animals are physiologically adapted to their environment. He is particularly fascinated by the cardiac and respiratory life support systems of fishes and has studied nearly 100 different species, from primitive hagfish and sturgeon through to athletic salmon and tuna. He has published over 340 peer-reviewed research articles. Tony’s involvement in pioneering and influential research on the behavioural and physiological ecology of Pacific salmon was given the 2005 Award of Excellence in Fisheries Management from the American Fisheries Society. He was also a member of the scientific advisory committee of the BC Pacific Salmon Forum, which was charged by the Premier to investigate wild and cultured fish interactions in the province.
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Great link Mykisscrazy ;D The speaker mentioned is Dr.Tony Farrell and is one of the most published and respected fish physiologists in North America, if not the world. The man is brilliant and I am looking really looking forward to logging into this presentation.
Awesome that the public can see this stuff. Again, thanks!
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I had to travel today so I missed this. Anyone have any highlights?
Would there be a link to listen to it?
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The link I read said tomorrow at 1 pm
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Yee ha! Bonus day! The must be the leap year that's got me ahead one day.
Thanks Dave ;D
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Hey, looking forward to this. Have I said I have HUGE respect for this guy? ;D
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Some very interesting information in that. Thanks again mykiss for this post.
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Some very interesting information in that. Thanks again mykiss for this post.
X2. I think a few people will be squirming .... the login was seamless for me, if more of these are available in the future please let us know.
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I did not know that while pink fry picked up lice they also could shed them consistently too. I also found it interesting how a fry swimming speed was not changed by the number of lice on them.
The temperature recording chart of an adams river sockeye was very interesting too along with the chat about the differences in the "Aerobic Scope" for the different runs of socks.
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad287/aquapaloosa/IMG_0601.jpg)
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I'm curious to know how many people took advantage of this opportunity to gain more knowledge and learn something from this seminar. Other than aquapaloosa and myself, I don't know of any.
If anyone else watched this – what are your thoughts? Specifically, Dr. Farrells discussion of pink fry and sea lice in the Broughton.
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So, you guys heard something that absolutely absolves fish farms from any adverse effects on pink salmon.
Spill the beans instead of trying to goad someone into a pissing match.
Unfortunately, most of us have to work and can't watch webcasts in the middle of the day.
What does the pic show? A jump in water temperature above Hell's Gate?
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So, you guys heard something that absolutely absolves fish farms from any adverse effects on pink salmon.
Spill the beans instead of trying to goad someone into a pissing match.
Unfortunately, most of us have to work and can't watch webcasts in the middle of the day.
What does the pic show? A jump in water temperature above Hell's Gate?
Good post! My sentiments exactly...
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So, you guys heard something that absolutely absolves fish farms from any adverse effects on pink salmon.
Spill the beans instead of trying to goad someone into a pissing match.
No pissing match. You raise a good point re. timing of this seminar. As it was posted on the internet I have to think it's available for download. Mykisscrazy, you started this ;D; is this available for people to see online?
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Tony Farrell
Chair, Sustainable Aquaculture and Professor, Zoology and Land and Food Systems
Sustainable Aquaculture???
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What do we mean by sustainability?
In Canada, Fisheries and Oceans Canada has the federal lead for aquaculture, playing a dual role as both regulator and developer. When we consider sustainability, we take into account three essential, equally important, and inter-connected elements of sustainability – environment, social and economic.
We liken it to a three-legged stool with each leg necessary to support the whole:
Environmental sustainability...
Ensuring ecosystems remain healthy and productive.
Social sustainability...
Supporting and protecting local, First Nations and aboriginal communities and cultures in which aquaculture operates, and providing meaningful jobs.
Economic sustainability...
Encouraging long-term growth of the aquaculture industry and providing stable jobs.
We ensure our aquaculture industry is sustainable by:
•Strict regulations
•Strong monitoring and enforcement
•Basing decisions on in-depth scientific advice
•Mitigating environmental impacts
•Involving communities and stakeholders
•Fostering an aquaculture industry that is proactive and innovative
Aquaculture must be environmentally, socially and economically sustainable to be a viable industry. And each element builds upon another.
For example, if aquaculture businesses do well economically, farmers can invest more in innovation and technology to improve production practices. It is in their best interest to do so in order to ensure that their businesses have strong long-term potential. And to take it one step further, if aquaculture enterprises protect the environment and the social well-being of the community in which they operate, then the local community is more likely to support them, which in turn leads to meaningful employment and social stability.
Aquaculture businesses have realized that sustainability makes solid business sense
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This goes back a while from the Tyee, makes one wonder who to believe.
Let me briefly add two more flagrant terminological inexactitudes (a phrase invented by Churchill to avoid using the unparliamentary "L" word). One day on my show, I asked Agriculture, Food and Fisheries (under which authority fish farms rested) Minister John Van Dongen how many escaped Atlantic salmon, from fish farms, had been found in B.C. waters. He said three! Shortly after, I asked then-development minister Stan Hagen the same question and he replied: "My colleague was wrong; only two Atlantics have been discovered."
Thus was born "three fish" Van Dongen and "two fish" Hagen.
This was arrant nonsense, of course, and they both had to know it. Not only were fishermen, commercial and sports, catching these escapees in goodly numbers, biologist Dr. John Volpe had discovered hundreds in one watershed alone and his findings were widely published. Indeed, Fisheries and Oceans Canada had an inspector counting escaped Atlantic salmon. Clearly ministerial terminological inexactitudes are not offences in the Gordon Campbell Code of Ministerial Behaviour
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Have been told they will be available on line in the next couple of weeks. Something to do with copyright and ownership issues at UBC.
Will provide the link when it become available
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Have been told they will be available on line in the next couple of weeks. Something to do with copyright and ownership issues at UBC.
Will provide the link when it become available
Thanks Andrew - looking forward to the debate when more readers hear the seminar first hand.
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Thanks Andrew - looking forward to the debate when more readers hear the seminar first hand.
Is Mr. Farrell pro fish farms? ;D
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Is Mr. Farrell pro fish farms? ;D
Sorry, go down to 6 lb leader and you may get a strike ;D
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Sorry, go down to 6 lb leader and you may get a strike ;D
Tony Farrell
Chair, Sustainable Aquaculture and Professor, Zoology and Land and Food Systems. :D
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Also see the topic below this one. :(
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Tony Farrell
Chair, Sustainable Aquaculture and Professor, Zoology and Land and Food Systems. :D
You buggar - got me :D
The truth is the qualifications of this dude make him eligible for any venue he chooses to represent. He is a world respected fishery scientist who has taken an opportunity to discredit the pseudoscience of others; are you suggesting he should be muzzled? And, because a bright mind is suggesting aquaculture is necessary now and will become imperative to meet the demands of tomorrow's world, we shouldn't at least listen?
All I'm saying is you will have more information to make an informed response when this seminar is again available and you listen.
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You buggar - got me :D
The truth is the qualifications of this dude make him eligible for any venue he chooses to represent. He is a world respected fishery scientist who has taken an opportunity to discredit the pseudoscience of others; are you suggesting he should be muzzled? And, because a bright mind is suggesting aquaculture is necessary now and will become imperative to meet the demands of tomorrow's world, we shouldn't at least listen?
All I'm saying is you will have more information to make an informed response when this seminar is again available and you listen.
;D ;D Not suggesting he should be muzzled at all but it seems to be happening too much these days with people connected to some governments and their agencies.. Of course this can prevent the truth from getting out, lack of transparency is very disturbing to many of us.
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The guy's studies like physiology are always being challenged by new information from other studies. There is a differance of fish swimming with sea lice on them from fish swimming with ISA and other diseases. But hey lets not talk about how sea lice can weaken a fishes immune system etc.
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I've copied and pasted some relevant info from the CTV article:
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111104/bc_salmon_virus_111104?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
"Infectious salmon virus suspected in B.C. again"
Peter Robson (author of the book "Salmon Farming: The Whole Story") said clear test results showing the virus is present are now critical.
For years, critics have been blaming fish farms for declining stocks, but haven't been able to prove any permanent damage, he said.
He said confirmation of the virus could be "one of the smoking guns in the salmon farming debate" and "may be a big problem."
"Is it a game changer? It would be a game changer if it was sourced to aquaculture," said Tony Farrell, a professor in the University of British Columbia's department of zoology.
But Farrell said scientists need to confirm where the virus originated, adding people "are jumping to conclusions as to the source of it."
"I think if ISA is now around, we need to be worried about ISA," he said.
Daniel Pauly, a professor and director of UBC's fisheries centre, has been watching the debate since he came to B.C. in 1994 and said a piece of the province's culture is at stake.
"What is at stake is actually wild salmon," he said. "In Europe there is almost no wild salmon left. So there is not so much of a risk. In B.C., the wild salmon are huge and iconic in the province."
Pauly said he suspects the virus has come from the industry because millions of Atlantic salmon eggs have been imported to British Columbia.
The emergence of ISA, he said, has been inevitable, even though some have argued the probability was low, said Pauly.
He called for a contingency plan to be developed.
According to B.C.'s Ministry of Environment, the province's salmon farming industry is the fourth largest producer of farmed salmon in the world, and in 2009, 18 companies operated on 131 sites.
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That report is 5 months old and has been thrashed to death on this forum.
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That report is 5 months old and has been thrashed to death on this forum.
If everyone reacted that way to everything that was re-posted here, it wouldn't be much of a discussion forum.
Thanks for posting Easywater. The pro-feedlot boys would like nothing better than to have all of this swept under a carpet.
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It isn't much of a discussion when the same old inflammatory nonsense is dredged up over and over and over again in spite of being roundly discounted by additional information posted in previous iterations.
Does anyone remember Dr. Kirsty Miller's testimony at the Cohen inquiry where she indicated that her results suggested that presence of the virus she was identifying as ISA pre-dated the presence of imported Atlantic salmon in the province? Or is that just one of those inconvenient facts that consequently needs to be overlooked.....................
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That report is 5 months old and has been thrashed to death on this forum.
The thrashing will continue. ;D ;D ;D
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That report is 5 months old and has been thrashed to death on this forum.
I understand this is another fish that had been sent on for testing.
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Well, we would all like to hear about it
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because a bright mind is suggesting aquaculture is necessary now and will become imperative to meet the demands of tomorrow's world, we shouldn't at least listen?
Nobody said that aquaculture is not necessary - I think that there is a huge need for it since most of the salmon sold around the world is farmed.
It just has to be run without risk to wild salmon and without consuming 4 times its weight in feed fish.
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Here we go again...anyways how do wild salmon convert? Likely not nearly as well as a farmed salmon :-\ How about 10-1!!! :o So what's it going to be. Farmed salmon that convert efficiently or wild salmon that convert poorly?
Which makes more sense?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cts=1331683601868&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdf.gaalliance.org%2Fpdf%2FGAA-Tom-May10.pdf&ei=3OBfT62IJOrLsQLX68iFCA&usg=AFQjCNGN6e6Nvb6z5MThxqZL5OfLQbzA1g&sig2=Kce8ZRGSQLOofQaZI-uz1Q (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cts=1331683601868&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdf.gaalliance.org%2Fpdf%2FGAA-Tom-May10.pdf&ei=3OBfT62IJOrLsQLX68iFCA&usg=AFQjCNGN6e6Nvb6z5MThxqZL5OfLQbzA1g&sig2=Kce8ZRGSQLOofQaZI-uz1Q)
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Well, we would all like to hear about it
Coming up, 5 more cases of ISA just reported. :'(
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From Alex
ISA virus in BC Supermarkets and Vedder River
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/03/isa-virus-in-bc-supermarkets-and-vedder-river.html
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Coming up, 5 more cases of ISA just reported. Cry
X - 1 he he ;D
Typical Morton....reporting on things she knows little about.
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From Alex
ISA virus in BC Supermarkets and Vedder River
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/03/isa-virus-in-bc-supermarkets-and-vedder-river.html
What do guys think - would that chum be OK for the smoker :D
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What do guys think - would that chum be OK for the smoker :D
Pretty sure ISA is not a joke........
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Once again claims with no back up so we can see for ourselves, but that is to be expected from Ms Morton isnt it. Oooops hang on those pictures of the heads is proof enough for me, sign me up. ;D
Dave, Id smoke it.
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Pretty sure ISA is not a joke........
By the look of that chum any number of viral or bacterial diseases could be cultured.
Also, have other people found fresh salmon being sold with the gills intact? Morton doesn’t tell us what tissues she submitted but to do the job right, liver and several portions of kidney should have been sampled. Again, who has seen fresh salmon fish sold in supermarkets that have not been cleaned?
Until more information is provided, this is indeed a joke.
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It is very unusual to see fish with the gills in. I have only heard of it once from many years ago where a purchaser from the US insisted on having the gills left in as an indicator of freshness. But it is a poor practice, for leaving the gills in will shorten the shelf life of the product. The fish was bled out so this suggests to me that it was harvested with the intention of preservation of some kind.
Typical Morton....hand picked seines and hand picked data.
It is post like that last one chris put up from mortons blog that make the rest of the scientific community shake there heads. Missing blatantly obvious details.
As it has been stated before, this isa in bc is likely something that has been in bc for 25 or more years. It is an ISA LIKE virus that we know little about. Morton will ride the fear factor train hard under the ISA label until more information is discovered.
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Until more information is provided, this is indeed a joke.
Bravo! If you can't disprove it call it a joke..... and deny it until it is too late.
Typical Morton....hand picked seines and hand picked data.
Whether the evidence is hand picked or random.... it's still evidence. As much as you would like to believe this news to be fabricated, it comes from the most credible source available with respect to the ISA virus. Dr Kibenge is the scientist who first discovered the ISA virus in Chile, resulting in the destruction of millions of ISA infected feedlot salmon.
Interesting how the reaction of the feedlot proponents is all the same..... deny, deny, deny...... and the odd "jokester". ::)
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The experts in the aquaculture industry suggest that the sign of a fresh fish, is a fish that has the gills intact.
http://www.aquaculture.ca/files/GuidetoCanadianFarmedSalmon.pdf (http://www.aquaculture.ca/files/GuidetoCanadianFarmedSalmon.pdf) Page 9
I thought that they removed the gills on all fish in the market, but apparently that is not the case. It appears that Morton went to great lengths to find the freshest Atlantic salmon, so she could have them tested......
Maybe these are just some of the east coast ISA infected salmon that they are dumping on the Vancouver market. Unlikely..... and it still leaves the Vedder ISA infected chum.
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Whether the evidence is hand picked or random.... it's still evidence.
I did not say "evidence" . I said seines and data. Evidence in her case is usually the product of her hand picked seines and hand picked data.
Are you mortons twin because you seem to function the same ie:
Riding the isa title train
Inserting terms into quotes such as replacing "data and seines" with evidence.
I thought that they removed the gills on all fish in the market, but apparently that is not the case. It appears that Morton went to great lengths to find the freshest Atlantic salmon, so she could have them tested......
Did she really get a fish from market with the guts in it? As dave states she would have to have to guts to produce appropriate samples.
Again since you seem to just skim past this fact every time:
As it has been stated before, this isa in bc is likely something that has been in bc for 25 or more years. It is an ISA LIKE virus that we know little about. Morton will ride the fear factor train hard under the ISA label until more information is discovered.
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Which makes more sense?
It makes more sense to have salmon eat their natural prey in their natural environment - it's been happening that way for thousands of years.
If there are too many fish or not enough feed, the ecosystem automatically adjusts itself.
I don't care if wild fish "convert" less efficiently than farmed fish - it doesn't matter because it's natural.
What you are doing is creating a food-chain "hole" where ever the feed fish are coming from (South America or China, where ever it is).
You are destroying the eco-system where the feed fish are harvested and starving the local predator organisms.
Whatever happens in nature, happens.
I resent people messing with it to make a buck.
Why don't you grow your own feed fish here, too?
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Once again claims with no back up so we can see for ourselves, but that is to be expected from Ms Morton isnt it. Oooops hang on those pictures of the heads is proof enough for me, sign me up. ;D
Dave, Id smoke it.
Just checked the T&T Supermarket near my office.
They are selling just the heads - $1.99 / lb.
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Just checked the T&T Supermarket near my office.
They are selling just the heads - $1.99 / lb.
I'm not familiar with the T&T chain; does it cater to specialty markets?
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It makes more sense to have salmon eat their natural prey in their natural environment - it's been happening that way for thousands of years.
If there are too many fish or not enough feed, the ecosystem automatically adjusts itself.
I don't care if wild fish "convert" less efficiently than farmed fish - it doesn't matter because it's natural.
What you are doing is creating a food-chain "hole" where ever the feed fish are coming from (South America or China, where ever it is).
You are destroying the eco-system where the feed fish are harvested and starving the local predator organisms.
Whatever happens in nature, happens.
I resent people messing with it to make a buck.
Why don't you grow your own feed fish here, too?
The naturalist ya, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling too ;D
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Easywater, not sure how far from your office T&T is but any chance you could ask their manager where they obtain their Atlantics?
Could stop much speculation. Or increase it I suppose.
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I'm not familiar with the T&T chain; does it cater to specialty markets?
Hmmmm :-\
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T&T is an asian supermarket chain.
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T&T is an asian supermarket chain.
Thanks B, I suspected that but remember, I live in Chilliwack ;)
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Are the heads frozen?
Where are they from?
This is raising alarm bells if ya ask me.
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Easywater, not sure how far from your office T&T is but any chance you could ask their manager where they obtain their Atlantics?
Could stop much speculation. Or increase it I suppose.
I asked but nobody seemed to know.
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The denial continues. ???
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/03/14/salmon-potential-virus.html
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http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/16686/salmon-farming-in-canada-a-challenge
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Chris you seem to be denying this fact, I will repeat it again.
As it has been stated before, this isa in bc is likely something that has been in bc for 25 or more years. It is an ISA LIKE virus that we know little about. Morton will ride the fear factor train hard under the ISA label until more information is discovered.
It seams like morton and the ragtime band want this isa to be the european strain more than anyone else. I find that very unusual.
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Chris you seem to be denying this fact, I will repeat it again.
It seams like morton and the ragtime band want this isa to be the european strain more than anyone else. I find that very unusual.
But "The positive results are not confirmation of the virus, and the fish-farming industry maintains it has never found a confirmed case of infectious salmon anemia". ???
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http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/544/isa-beneath-the-surface-of-chiles-troubled-waters
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http://www.asf.ca/news.php?id=842
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http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/544/isa-beneath-the-surface-of-chiles-troubled-waters
"In the once-pristine waters of the Magellanese straits another outbreak of Infectious Salmon Anemia (ISA) has been confirmed. Locals hoped that this day would never come, but more than 100 Chilean fish farms have now been affected by this virus since the first outbreak in 2007. As the disease takes hold of one area the industry flees to another and often, the disease goes along too.
The situation is fast growing out of control. ISA is a contagious viral disease that kills up to two per cent of all Chilean farmed salmon. It is so contagious that often the whole farm population must be eradicated."
A man made cesspool of disease..... but according to some folks (who obviously have blinders on): "Don't worry about it in BC, it's not the European strain....."
::) ::) ::)
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"In the once-pristine waters of the Magellanese straits another outbreak of Infectious Salmon Anemia (ISA) has been confirmed. Locals hoped that this day would never come, but more than 100 Chilean fish farms have now been affected by this virus since the first outbreak in 2007. As the disease takes hold of one area the industry flees to another and often, the disease goes along too.
The situation is fast growing out of control. ISA is a contagious viral disease that kills up to two per cent of all Chilean farmed salmon. It is so contagious that often the whole farm population must be eradicated."
A man made cesspool of disease..... but according to some folks (who obviously have blinders on): "Don't worry about it in BC, it's not the European strain....."
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This from the guy in favor of enbridge bringing a pipeline through our pristine headwaters...it is to laugh.
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This from the guy in favor of enbridge bringing a pipeline through our pristine headwaters...it is to laugh.
That's news to me.... ???
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A man made cesspool of disease..... but according to some folks (who obviously have blinders on): "Don't worry about it in BC, it's not the European strain....."
So tell me af, tell me all about this specific virus that has just be discovered. Start with the fact that we know it has been here for 25 or more years. And what strain of isa is it specifically? Tell me the part where it may be a naturally occurring virus that has similarities to ISA E (europe). And how come we still have any wild salmon if it is so devastating. What about the atlantic farms? How come they have never been wiped out by ISA-E or ISA-BC even when we know fare well that atlantics are the canary in a coal mine when it comes to ISA-E. I know you will respond with the usual facts about the potential such a virus may have. And do not forget your conspiracy theory. You know about as much about it as morton does and you continue to wave the isa flag everywhere in a very misleading manor.
I think it is time that when we talk about ISA we should Identify what is what because ISA-BC is not ISA-E.
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That's news to me.... ???
Sound familiar? There are a number of other comments as well..............
The Endbridge pipeline is a risk... and the risks need to be minimized, but they cannot be avoided. The facts of why we need another market for our oil is because the US is quickly becoming self sufficient in both oil and gas.
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So tell me af, tell me all about this specific virus that has just be discovered. Start with the fact that we know it has been here for 25 or more years. And what strain of isa is it specifically? Tell me the part where it may be a naturally occurring virus that has similarities to ISA E (europe). And how come we still have any wild salmon if it is so devastating. What about the atlantic farms? How come they have never been wiped out by ISA-E or ISA-BC even when we know fare well that atlantics are the canary in a coal mine when it comes to ISA-E. I know you will respond with the usual facts about the potential such a virus may have. And do not forget your conspiracy theory. You know about as much about it as morton does and you continue to wave the isa flag everywhere in a very misleading manor.
I think it is time that when we talk about ISA we should Identify what is what because ISA-BC is not ISA-E.
Thanks, that post does an excellent job of defining the term; "blinders on".
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So tell me af, tell me all about this specific virus that has just be discovered. Start with the fact that we know it has been here for 25 or more years. And what strain of isa is it specifically? Tell me the part where it may be a naturally occurring virus that has similarities to ISA E (europe). And how come we still have any wild salmon if it is so devastating. What about the atlantic farms? How come they have never been wiped out by ISA-E or ISA-BC even when we know fare well that atlantics are the canary in a coal mine when it comes to ISA-E. I know you will respond with the usual facts about the potential such a virus may have. And do not forget your conspiracy theory. You know about as much about it as morton does and you continue to wave the isa flag everywhere in a very misleading manor.
I think it is time that when we talk about ISA we should Identify what is what because ISA-BC is not ISA-E.
It was a premium opportunity for you to inform us of all the details about this ISA-BC but could not. Instead you choose to label my post, which contains some basic details, as coming from a blinded individual.
Nice one, buddy.
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It was a premium opportunity for you to inform us of all the details about this ISA-BC but could not. Instead you choose to label my post, which contains some basic details, as coming from a blinded individual.
Nice one, buddy.
I thought you would appreciate that..... ;D
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af, if the purpose of your last few posts was to lose your credibility in this subject, you succeeded. :)
Do you believe there is and probably always has been, a strain of a virus similar to ISA-E here on the west coast that does not harm salmonids? If so, do you think it's possible this is what Morton thinks she is finding? If you do, you should also know about another salmon virus called IHN (Infectious Hematopoietic Necrosis) This virus is particularly deadly to sockeye and had been found in virtually every Fraser River stock examined but here's the thing – very seldom does it a actually harm fish.
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af, if the purpose of your last few posts was to lose your credibility in this subject, you succeeded. :)
Do you believe there is and probably always has been, a strain of a virus similar to ISA-E here on the west coast that does not harm salmonids? If so, do you think it's possible this is what Morton thinks she is finding? If you do, you should also know about another salmon virus called IHN (Infectious Hematopoietic Necrosis) This virus is particularly deadly to sockeye and had been found in virtually every Fraser River stock examined but here's the thing – very seldom does it a actually harm fish.
I’m really not concerned about a salmon feedlot proponent rating my credibility. Your analysis of the whole feedlot fiasco on the west coast comes down to suggesting that because science hasn’t found anything, that there is no need for us to be concerned.
If the science was any where near being independent and unbiased, I could see your point. Unfortunately the “science” you and others keep quoting is coming from organizations whose mandate is to promote the expansion of feedlots and from the feed lots themselves. The CFIA who is responsible for ensuring that diseases in Canada are kept under control, showed it’s attitude when it revealed in emails that it’s main objective was winning the war, in demonstrating that ISA doesn’t exist in BC. This comes from an organization that hasn’t even put in place a surveillance system to monitor farmed and wild salmon for the disease in spite of seeing the devastation this disease has had on the environment world wide. When some private individuals tried to do their job for them and used one of the most credible scientists available to do the testing, CFIA dismissed the results. The fact is the government wants to expand the feedlot business and they are doing everything possible to plow over any objections to their plans regardless of the science. The fact is this is a virus that can mutate unpredictably.
If you want to start focusing on credibility, start at the organizations that financially benefit from the feedlots being in place. Folks like Morton and others who oppose the feedlots are doing this at their cost. Their sole motivation is to eliminate one of the many hazards that our wild salmon are exposed to.
This is not a personal vendetta against individuals such as yourself. I’m sure that outside this discussion you are a great person and obviously passionate about your beliefs. Accept that those of us that object to these feedlots are the same type of people.
The difference between you and I is that I am suggesting we should be pro-active in our approach to this disease, while you are suggesting that we do nothing…..
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Well, I know I’m ok and Chris says you’re a great guy so I guess we’re good ;D and for sure, nothing personal :)
You chose not answer my questions but I will ask one more to bring this back to the topic – if you didn’t watch this seminar (and I only know of aquapaloosa and myself that did) when it was first available, would you if it comes online? Reason I ask is another staunch anti salmon farmer was non committal when I asked him ???
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Let me know when it comes on line and I'll try watch it.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017762147_littlefish16m.html?cmpid=2628
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Maybe all those asian carp back east should be harvested and turned into fish meal.
Just sayin.
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Maybe all those asian carp back east should be harvested and turned into fish meal.
Just sayin.
now your thinking .....good idea
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They are a lean fish so now I am not sure.
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http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2012/03/chinook-collapse-and-salmon-feedlot-viruses.html
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More infected fish found in N.S.
CBC News Posted: Mar 28, 2012 2:03 PM AT Last Updated: Mar 28, 2012 1:54 PM AT
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More diseased salmon will be destroyed at a fish farm in Nova Scotia.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirms more cases of infectious salmon anaemia, a disease that affects finfish but not humans.
It says the infected fish will be disposed of and the rest of the salmon will be closely monitored.
"The facility will remain under quarantine until all fish have been removed from the site and all pens, cages and equipment have been cleaned and disinfected," the agency said in a statement Tuesday.
The CFIA isn't naming the company involved, but says the disease was first reported on March 7.
That day, Cooke Aquaculture confirmed there were diseased salmon at its operation in Shelburne Harbour. The company had reported a possible outbreak weeks earlier.
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Nice to see this thread is staying on track. I am seeing facts and fiction. ;D
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More infected fish found in N.S.
It says the infected fish will be disposed of and the rest of the salmon will be closely monitored.
does this mean we will see them for sale @ tnt and super store hehe...... or do we, the tax payer have to bail them out again, and again !!!