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Title: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on February 25, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
I was walking around the river today and came across a well groomed and decorated path leading from the dry river bed to the river flow  ... I followed it and found a small cabin , there was a hikers pack hanging from the outside of it and it was occupied . I didn't speak to anyone , I just con't on and fished the run behind it . This is east of teskey rock .

Was I tresspassing or something ? Or am I the only one who didn't know about this ? I thought there was no camping in the river valley .
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: dennyman on February 25, 2012, 11:04:30 PM
Have not seen that one. Occasionally you will come across some homeless encampment on the river. And you are right there is supposed to be no camping on the river in that area.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on February 25, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
this one is a more than a homeless guy . this small cabin , about 6'x6' has a door and window (no glass though) . some one has spent a lot of time on it , it is made of logs stacked like a traditional log cabin , and there is frame work up for another small cabin like stucture next to it .  .

the roof is made up of smaller logs and branches , clay etc . so if seen from above ( ie; helicopter ) it is out of sight in the thick tree cover .

I was going to take a picture of the cabin , but when I noticed the hikers pack on the outside I just left . It was a nice multi day framed hikers pack .

I did get a picture of his "rock garden" .... kinda a bunch of drift wood placed on the ground in some sort of pattern . I honestly thought I walked on to a old cemetary or something lol .

the only reason I stumbled upon it was because I walk the dry river bed and not the trails along the river .

When I came back through "his" pathway , he was standing out side his cabin and making a fire , just starred at me and didn't wave or anything .

Let's just say I kept looking behind me when i was fishing that run .



Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: cohoaaron on February 25, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
If you watch the movie "Deliverence" you will never fish there again  :D...........
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: silver ghost on February 26, 2012, 01:03:44 AM
I've come across a similar place like this on the same river, as well as other places on a river near my house. I'm sure they're harmless people, some just choose a certain lifestyle and want to be away from the hustle and bustle of the city!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: dennyman on February 26, 2012, 10:56:33 AM
Although I can feel sorry for folks in a situation like that, it is sad that there are no social services available for them to use.  Approach I would take is to report it to a C.O. . They can then look into it, and find out more about the person. Problems with situations like this involve not only garbage disposal, but also sanitary ones.  Also, if this type of situation is left on its own, what is to stop others from taking a chainsaw or axe  and constructing their own little cabin down by the river.

With regards to the  law that makes overnight camping illegal below the Tamahi Bridge. That rule was put in place way back in 2008 by I believe the Environment Minister at that time, Barry Penner. That was to crackdown on the vast amounts of garbage left behind by careless campers along the lower Chilliwack/Vedder River. For those who feel it is an unfair law, they should make their voice heard and petition against it with the current Minister of Environment. Just because land is provincial crown land does not mean people can do whatever they want on it. You still have to follow the laws and regulations for the area in question.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Burbot on February 26, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
If it is crown land it belongs to everyone and anyone can use it anytime not just fishermen who think they are high and mighty like so many on this board.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on February 26, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
Though it probably is a squatter, remember that there is titled land above tesky's rock and that the river course has changed many times over the last several decades, which may mean that that bar may be on titled land. Run into this situation while doing a heavy mineral survey for the Government in the early ninties just above and opposite the trailer park up at slesse. Not saying the situation is the same in this case a small trailer was hidden in the bush. Turned out legally!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sam6140 on February 26, 2012, 09:40:55 PM
If you watch the movie "Deliverence" you will never fish there again  :D...........


Thanks!  I'm going to watch that movie now.  I just quickly read about it, after you mentioned it.   Never seen it, and it seems interesting!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Athezone on February 27, 2012, 10:14:43 AM
Sam you'll love it. An oldy but a goody, way back from 72 and some scenes will definitely give you the heebie-jeebies. I used to own a bow just like Burt has in the movie and back in the days when I use to hunt and would pull back to shoot, thought about that movie.

I did competetive archery shooting for 5 years back in the day, twas fun and like riding a bike, I bet I could pick up a bow now and be almost as good. Sure brings back fond memories. Enjoy the movie.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on February 29, 2012, 05:47:30 PM
Sam you'll love it. An oldy but a goody, way back from 72 and some scenes will definitely give you the heebie-jeebies. I used to own a bow just like Burt has in the movie and back in the days when I use to hunt and would pull back to shoot, thought about that movie.

I did competetive archery shooting for 5 years back in the day, twas fun and like riding a bike, I bet I could pick up a bow now and be almost as good. Sure brings back fond memories. Enjoy the movie.


every now and then I used to get that I'm not alone feeling when I was working up creeks in the past. Especialy so with coastal ,mossy dank ones.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: cohoaaron on February 29, 2012, 06:11:42 PM

Thanks!  I'm going to watch that movie now.  I just quickly read about it, after you mentioned it.   Never seen it, and it seems interesting!
ya it is a really good movie...pretty creepy because it can and probably has happened.......hope you like it..
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Tex on March 01, 2012, 09:34:50 AM
Although I can feel sorry for folks in a situation like that, it is sad that there are no social services available for them to use.  

Are you kidding?  There are more social services available to people in this province than I can count!  Someone like this just chooses not to use them, I would imagine.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 01, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
Are you kidding?  There are more social services available to people in this province than I can count!  Someone like this just chooses not to use them, I would imagine.

or some just want to live on the outer limits of society, so as they may, and probably do use the services but do not want to contribute anything to the costs to maintain those services. Those are the ones that really irk me.

I think perhaps the problem is that services are available to most but there is a short circuit in the system when it comes to getting the right service to the right person. Compounding the problem is that some think they have a right to abuse the generosity or kind spirits of most Canadians.
By extention welfare/social security equals charity.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: dennyman on March 01, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
Okay feel free to list the social services available to this person in the smaller communities in the Fraser Valley. I think you will be surprised what you find. But I am always open to hear new ideas from others.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on March 01, 2012, 05:42:59 PM
i am surprised how few people have noticed this cabin ....
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Tex on March 02, 2012, 09:37:14 AM
Okay feel free to list the social services available to this person in the smaller communities in the Fraser Valley. I think you will be surprised what you find. But I am always open to hear new ideas from others.

I don't live in Chilliwack and am not familiar with all of the opportunities available to someone like this person, but a quick google search turned up this, which covers food, shelter, clothing, and other resources:

http://www.salvationarmychilliwack.ca/care-and-share/

And also this (apparently they have a full strategy for trying to deal with and improve the homelessness situation):

http://www.chilliwack.com/main/attachments/files/1600/Final%20Chilliwack%20Affordable%20Housing%20Strategy.pdf

Believe me, I'm not saying it's perfect, but Canada is a place with a lot of options and services for those who are down on their luck. 
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: arimaBOATER on March 02, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Deliverance movie was playing at the movie theatre in the City of Williams Lake while I was there in 1972 ( worked in a saw mill there)

Also singing country great Merle Haggart did an outside concert that summer. He's still singing.
Lots of drunk natives ,cowboys, & other folk during rodeo time.

Merle got back to his tour bus & he said " Let's get the hell outta here " :D

I second & 3 rd the  motion for FWR members to watch the movie.
Really super actors & 5 star acting & nice plot.

There are all sorts of cabins,lean 2s ,tents etc in the backwoods.

Know of one chap in a truck with a camper who had some guy take a few shots at it. Warning him not to park in that part of the backwoods.
Another hunter I know had someone shooting his way so the guy went behind a tree.
He yelled out " Do not shoot "
But a few more shots hit near the tree.
Thinking maybe the shooter may circle & get a clear shot at him so he decided to just run as fast as he could in the opposite direction.

Talk about getting your heart beats to go bumpy bump at a faster rate.

Be careful in the woods or along your off beat fishing spot.

More rapes & murder stories etc have happened in these areas.
Even in those woods near UBC.

Crazy world. That movie is more real than we think.

Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: brownmancheng on March 03, 2012, 06:56:28 AM
I don't live in Chilliwack and am not familiar with all of the opportunities available to someone like this person, but a quick google search turned up this, which covers food, shelter, clothing, and other resources:

http://www.salvationarmychilliwack.ca/care-and-share/

And also this (apparently they have a full strategy for trying to deal with and improve the homelessness situation):

http://www.chilliwack.com/main/attachments/files/1600/Final%20Chilliwack%20Affordable%20Housing%20Strategy.pdf

Believe me, I'm not saying it's perfect, but Canada is a place with a lot of options and services for those who are down on their luck. 

Don't take this the wrong way any one but Canada is the best place in the world to be if you are a drug addict you have more help and programs then struggling families. The problem is the wrong people are taking up the resources. Addicts get perscribed synthetic heroin @ doctors along Hastings at our expense and then turn around and sell them or inject themselves.  Free drugs, free food free clothing  why bother working you will all support me right? Donate ur fishing tackle to me! It's not fair u worked for it but I don't have any lol!!!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Riverman on March 03, 2012, 07:52:47 AM
You ain goin tuh Aintree!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Athezone on March 03, 2012, 08:16:03 AM

Griner: Canoe trip ?
Lewis: That's right, a canoe trip.
Griner: What the hell you want to go f--k around with that river for ?
Lewis: Because it's there.
Griner: It's there all right. You get in there and can't get out, you're gonna wish it wasn't.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Athezone on March 03, 2012, 08:17:13 AM
To get back to the thread for a second, I don't think that people or persons should feel they have the freedom to build an encamptment, shanty, cabin or a home on the river. Unless they hold legal title on said land. This type of situation is fraught with problems whereby more and more homeless people join the fray and public land is now looked upon as their property.

Believe me when I say that once a person becomes accustomed and personally acclimatized after a few weeks of living in one spot they will become territorial and a feeling of, "This is My land, this where I live" is common place. I know this because I've met fishermen who only visiting a piece of river sparingly get a sense of entitlement and ownership of a spot.

I'm sorry that people have no place to live but as some posters have mentioned there are numerous services available for help. The authorities should be notified of this situation and go out and speak with the person or people involved. If he owns the land then he is free to stay as long he likes. If he doesn't it should be pointed out to him that he is camping illegally and should vacate said premises.

Again, I hate to sound like a NIMBY but I also hate looking over my shoulder when I'm in the woods just because some stranger has given me the dead eye look as I walked past his home. Gives me the heebie-jeeebies.  :o 8) :o
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 04, 2012, 12:45:09 AM
To get back to the thread for a second, I don't think that people or persons should feel they have the freedom to build an encamptment, shanty, cabin or a home on the river. Unless they hold legal title on said land. This type of situation is fraught with problems whereby more and more homeless people join the fray and public land is now looked upon as their property.

Believe me when I say that once a person becomes accustomed and personally acclimatized after a few weeks of living in one spot they will become territorial and a feeling of, "This is My land, this where I live" is common place. I know this because I've met fishermen who only visiting a piece of river sparingly get a sense of entitlement and ownership of a spot.

I'm sorry that people have no place to live but as some posters have mentioned there are numerous services available for help. The authorities should be notified of this situation and go out and speak with the person or people involved. If he owns the land then he is free to stay as long he likes. If he doesn't it should be pointed out to him that he is camping illegally and should vacate said premises.

Again, I hate to sound like a NIMBY but I also hate looking over my shoulder when I'm in the woods just because some stranger has given me the dead eye look as I walked past his home. Gives me the heebie-jeeebies.  :o 8) :o


Yep, no squatters rights in BC, else I'd have my wee part staked out. I'n the past MOF were usually quick to remove unautherised structures. including industrial workers'  tents etc..
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Brian the fisherman on March 04, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
i know the cabin you are talking about. Some people dont want help nor do they need it from the government.
alot of people like that are just sick of being in the busy life. they don't need people to give them any assistance as they enjoy living off the land.
They don't want to pay bills nor do they want to earn money just to have it taxed and put back into others hands in bill form. some people just want to live for themself and not try to collect property. only essencials which little money is needed. there looking at it as a way of life that is being lost due to ease of life now a days. and a way of not being controlled by society and their requirements.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 04, 2012, 01:53:28 PM
fact is those people are just the same as us and we all live under the collective entity called society, we all have rights, protection and are using something that had a cost to create and maintain. That alone means that there is no such thing as not costing society anything because you choose to persue a so-called of the grid lifestyle.

At one time or another I searched for that lifestyle, that is before I realised that I would be just hiding from or shirking my resposabilities towards the very thing that allows me to make those choices. 
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: scuntor on March 04, 2012, 03:55:05 PM
I've heard MOF puts notices up that it must be taken down by a certain date. After the date they torch the cabin.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: silver ghost on March 04, 2012, 05:03:15 PM
When I read this for the first time, I thought "leave the guy alone. he's down on his luck". But a good point was raised about people developing a sense of ownership after a while. I can see how this is problematic, as another member mentioned he knows of others who have been shot at, which I speculate to be some of these pseudo-landowners protecting "their space". In any case, what's out of sight is out of mind, and i'm sure there are many such cabins deep in the woods that noone knows about. But I guess the point here is this guy shouldn't be living there if the land is not his. It would not be very nice if we went to our favorite run through a beaten path and we came across a bunch of tents/cabins surrounded by garbage and human waste, the owners likely poaching the hell out of fish to survive...oh wait, wasn't that what happened at the allison site?  :D

I will watch deliverance tonight, looking forward to it!

Thats crazy about the MOF torching the cabin. Makes sense though!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sam6140 on March 05, 2012, 03:57:50 PM
pretty good movie.  thanks for mentioning it.   Looks like a great river to fish too.  I can't believe those guys didn't pack any fishing gear. haha
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on March 05, 2012, 04:54:00 PM
the thought did cross my mind " just leave it alone , it isn't my business "

But then , I think of the human waste and the possibility that someone may or could get assualted for walking on "his" land . I know I didn't get a friendly wave when he saw me walking on the trail he built .

Rules are rules ... just the way it is .

or maybe I am just jealous that I can't have a cabin on a river ;)



Are you guys serious about the MOF torching the cabin  ?
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: dennyman on March 05, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
More than likely the reason they would torch some shelters is for sanitation reasons. If the place was overrun with lice and fleas for instance, why would you want to take it apart and expose yourself to that.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: hue-nut on March 05, 2012, 09:59:32 PM
torch the m effing cabin! There are plenty of options out there for people in need. I know for a fact I don't want to be stumbling into a deranged eccentric's camp in the predawn hours.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: norton on March 05, 2012, 10:07:41 PM
well that area where you saw the cabin is indian reserve. its the soowhalie reserve. it starts at sleepy hollow at cultus lake and heads north right across the vedder river to where the sniperz paint ball place is and that place bellow there  where those carvings are beside the chilliwack lake rd. could be natives there to. nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 05, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
More than likely the reason they would torch some shelters is for sanitation reasons. If the place was overrun with lice and fleas for instance, why would you want to take it apart and expose yourself to that.

nope it is or was policy, I was hired often by MOF to clean up squatters, abandoned miners and tree planting camps. you would be surprised on just how many there were.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: norton on March 05, 2012, 10:19:14 PM
maybe you fishermen dont realize , but the soowhalie reserve starts at teskey rock and goes all the way up to the doctors run at the mountain, so i wouldnt be knockin down any cabin, or you might get a tomahawk in the back. lol.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on March 06, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
well that area where you saw the cabin is indian reserve. its the soowhalie reserve. it starts at sleepy hollow at cultus lake and heads north right across the vedder river to where the sniperz paint ball place is and that place bellow there  where those carvings are beside the chilliwack lake rd. could be natives there to. nothing you can do about it.


"fisherman "  will not be the ones torching anything . so keep your tomahawks sheathed ;)

is there a map that we could look at to determine where the soowhalie reserve is ?

I am aware that the reserve is at sleepy hollow rd . But the shanty in question is on the opposite side of the river from sleepy hollow rd . well within the "no  camping" boundry posted along the river .

Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Athezone on March 06, 2012, 01:06:44 PM
maybe you fishermen dont realize , but the soowhalie reserve starts at teskey rock and goes all the way up to the doctors run at the mountain, so i wouldnt be knockin down any cabin, or you might get a tomahawk in the back. lol.


Now that made me laugh. Tomahawk in the back, to funny !!!
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 06, 2012, 02:01:09 PM

"fisherman "  will not be the ones torching anything . so keep your tomahawks sheathed ;)

is there a map that we could look at to determine where the soowhalie reserve is ?

I am aware that the reserve is at sleepy hollow rd . But the shanty in question is on the opposite side of the river from sleepy hollow rd . well within the "no  camping" boundry posted along the river .



nts 092h4 1:50,000 topo map show it as bounding on the north from behind the wreckers yard at cultis lk rd towards the paintball outfit and ends approx the 600 meters north of the river road and at the trailer park.  
approx utm 575000m E & 5438300m N then east to 577400m E & 5438300m N or as near as I can make it with out my scales. for gps (gz 10)
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: cutthroat22 on March 06, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
(http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu44/cutthroat2222/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on March 06, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
soooo.... it is native land then ...  ???

I guess it won't be torched after all . That can't be very sanitary ... is he just dumping in the river ?
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Dennis.t on March 06, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
torch the m effing cabin! There are plenty of options out there for people in need. I know for a fact I don't want to be stumbling into a deranged eccentric's camp in the predawn hours.
Who says the guy is deranged.Maybe your the one with the problem,stumbling around in the pre dawn hours. ;D
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: norton on March 06, 2012, 09:29:16 PM
yes its like i said, the eastern boundary is at the foot of the mountain goes across the river to the north , bordering the trailer park to the foot of the mountain , then west including the sniperz paint ball, and then the place that has the carvings beside chwk lake rd .  then south across the river , bordering  the new subdivision on areil and chittenden rd., where the auto wreckers is. i worked on the dyke on the soowahlie reserve after the river flooded , and was there when the surveyors were trying to find bounderies, so they could build the dyke in the right spot. 
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: nickredway on March 06, 2012, 10:13:02 PM
Wow this thread made three pages, impressive. I guess fisherman never piss, cupcakes on or litter the Vedder.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Dennis.t on March 07, 2012, 05:28:21 AM
soooo.... it is native land then ...  ???

I guess it won't be torched after all . That can't be very sanitary ... is he just dumping in the river ?
If its his land,then he has every right to be living there.Its the fisherman who are trespassing on private property, leaving thier garbage strewn about.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Sandy on March 07, 2012, 01:22:22 PM
I guess many of us have fished their without a problem and should be thankful for doing so. I certainly did not realise the reserve boundary came over that far. . Same situation applied up at the Squamish in the early eighties until it was spoiled by people disrespecting the good will that was being afforded us.
Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: James on March 07, 2012, 04:11:50 PM
Well then . if he is  allowed to camp then let him . Now we know . I posted this thread because I thought it was something people should be aware of . Safety concern really . But i guess there is none .

Title: Re: So is it just me? or does anyone else see the "cabin" by the river @teskey area?
Post by: Athezone on March 07, 2012, 09:23:10 PM
No it was a good point of discussion, safety or not and we all learned a little bit. Some about boundaries, some about respecting peoples privacy and some about movies. I'm glad you brought it up James because that is what discussion forums are for, to speak, learn and listen. Well done !!!