Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: big_fish on January 25, 2012, 05:19:50 PM
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Capilano harvest. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzhtNkNsv4
Squamish harvest. :o :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDOu0vE8rI
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Capilano harvest. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzhtNkNsv4
Squamish harvest. :o :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDOu0vE8rI
thats pathetic . glad we put all these catch n release efforts in for these guys to screw it all up for us... :-\
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thats pathetic . glad we put all these catch n release efforts in for these @$$ holes to screw it all up for us... :-\
only thing pathetic here is your comments. This is their right whether or not you agree with it, it is! To call the guys the name you did only reflects what character you have and ignorance you have towards first nations.
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only thing pathetic here is your comments. This is their right whether or not you agree with it, it is! To call the guys the name you did only reflects what character you have and ignorance you have towards first nations.
changed the way I worded it, happy now?
I know thats their right, never said anything about how it shouldnt be their right.
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Yeah X3 those natives are always ruining our fishing spots by posting up hero videos on the internet giving away our locations LOL.
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changed the way I worded it, happy now?
I know thats their right, never said anything about how it shouldnt be their right.
So if you accept it is their right to harvest fish, how is it "pathetic"? Would you prefer they use a weir and Harpoon them? Create a fish jump and use a Dip Net? Maybe just string a seine net across the river and then release a few to spawn and keep the rest? The Cap Band has harvested their fish this way for decades. It is the cheapest and easiest way for an individual to harvest. Just do not confuse them for sport anglers. They are not fishing for sport.
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have they been bonking bull trout and dolly varden on the squamish for decades too? probably have.
i honestly don't mind them taking a couple boot springs on the cap, they can go right ahead that's not what bothers me. its watching them catch the bull's and the dolly's. those fish are on the brink of exctintion, letting them fill up on char is gonna help our rivers? yea right.
I'm glad he never landed that steelhead.
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Yeah X3 those natives are always ruining our fishing spots by posting up hero videos on the internet giving away our locations.
as oppose to the cn railway spill on the river didn't have no impact? logging throughout all squamish valley didnt ruin the river and its tribs? development up that area had no impact on "your" fishing spots. yeah couple of first nations killing some bull trout in squamish ruined everything. man they are monsters!!!!
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also never said they ruined it, I'm saying they are defiantly not helping.
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Did I sound like i was being serious?
as oppose to the cn railway spill on the river didn't have no impact? logging throughout all squamish valley didnt ruin the river and its tribs? development up that area had no impact on "your" fishing spots. yeah couple of first nations killing some bull trout in squamish ruined everything. man they are monsters!!!!
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Went back and added an lol for you just to be clear.
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Went back and added an lol for you just to be clear.
my bad...sorry.
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No worries. On a serious note I do think that the band up there do well enough on the Salmon that it is completely unnecessary for them to hammer on a a slow growing fish like Dollies.
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How are they any different then anyone else,I just don't see why they can do that on smaller streams and rivers,Its a joke.They will be the first ones to cry when theres no returns on those rivers.And then blame someone else.
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How are they any different then anyone else,I just don't see why they can do that on smaller streams and rivers,Its a joke.They will be the first ones to cry when theres no returns on those rivers.And then blame someone else.
Just keep a copy of that video to post when they do cry foul.
Every culture has their morons and the First Nations are not immune. Just keep the criticism to specifics and avoid the generalizations.
The First Nations of BC are "different than anyone else" because their land was taken without treaty (breaking Great Britain's own policy as set out in the Royal Proclamation 1763 which was later enshrined into Section 25 of the Charter of Rights and Freedom and Section 35 of the Constitution Act of 1982). The British King at the time of the Proclamation (this was King George's official claim on North America following the Seven Years war with France) recognized aboriginal title and proclaimed that all "such Parts of Our Dominions and Territories as, not having been ceded to or purchased by Us [in a treaty], are reserved to them, or any of them, as their Hunting Grounds." The King had hoped that this recognition of their rights and title would help placate the First Nations (following Pontiac's uprising) and ease tensions on the frontier. It of course had the opposite effect and formed part of the grievances that led to the American Revolution. The rights established in the Royal Proclamation, however, continued to influence policy in Canada following the American revolution, and lead to the numbered treaties of Ontario and the Prairies. However, after an initial attempt to sign treaties on Vancouver Island, due to a lack of funds BC's colonial government later decided that treaties were not necessary out here on the other side of the Rockies. When BC joined Canad in 1871, most of BC remained unceded "Indian" territory and this has lead to our situation whereby we are all living in territory that is recognized, even in our own laws and courts, as "aboriginal land" and the "Hunting Grounds" of those first nations, until such time as we conclude treaties with the various nations that live here.
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How are they any different then anyone else,I just don't see why they can do that on smaller streams and rivers,Its a joke.They will be the first ones to cry when theres no returns on those rivers.And then blame someone else.
exactly what im trying too saying
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exactly what im trying too saying
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Beauty :)
Thanks Sandman, interesting stuff.
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the lead wire wraped 7/0 treble is a nice touch.....i wonder if they would hit a copper wrapped treble like they they hit the lead one.....they seem to be smashing that lead one ::) lol
does anyone know what fly vise is good for tying that pattern on ???
what a joke
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the lead wire wraped 7/0 treble is a nice touch.....i wonder if they would hit a copper wrapped treble like they they hit the lead one.....they seem to be smashing that lead one ::) lol
does anyone know what fly vise is good for tying that pattern on ???
what a joke
A standard bench vise, like the ones in a muffler shop, should do fine.
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Totally agree with Poper !! He could not have been more specific !!!! Thanks for the Socials Study lesson , Sandman , however , it goes way beyond their rights in a treaty -- its called ethics and morality for all of us.m They use that fishery as a food source and I would like to put fish on the table as well and celebrate with a good glass of wine !! way to go Poper!!!!!
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By the way that was Chumhunter reporting on Poper ' s account. SORRY!!!!
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Not to justify what they are doing but they are legally entitled to catch their food pretty much any way they choose. I'm quite sure many, many hundreds of thousands of salmon disappear each year from illegal netting on the Fraser R. by natives. The Cap is just a very, very small piece of the pie.
Sad to see and even sadder to realize that it happens right under our noses year in and year out without repercussions. That's why natives would love to see recreational fishing banned on certain sections of the Fraser. If no one's there to see it was a crime committed. Of course Not :D :o :D
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Totally agree with Poper !! He could not have been more specific !!!! Thanks for the Socials Study lesson , Sandman , however , it goes way beyond their rights in a treaty -- its called ethics and morality for all of us.m They use that fishery as a food source and I would like to put fish on the table as well and celebrate with a good glass of wine !! way to go Poper!!!!!
As I said, Chumhunter, the right of natives as a people to harvest fish "any way they chose" is rooted in the history of the land. The reality of individual natives abusing the resource and their own rights is no different than the morons on just about every river that snag fish and abuse the fish they catch and release. That does not make all recreational fishermen immoral nor does it make the concept of a recreational fisher unethical. You take the bad with the good. Natives DO have rights that are different than "the rest of us," but that does not make them immune to the lack of ethics and morality in individuals that seems to plague all cultures. When a member of the First Nations is exercising their right to harvest fish, it makes no difference if they use a net, spear or a treble hook with lead wrapped around it. Obviously the best method would be to beach seine or construct a weir and then pick and chose the fish for harvest and release the rest unharmed to spawn, but this is simply not always possible, so a hook and line is just fine. However, should a member of the First Nations abuse a resource, take more fish than can be sustainable, then they are no different than anyone else doing the same. It is shameful and unfortunate, but not enough to condemn the whole lot.
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Well said Sandman !!!
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The old lead wrapped treble hook goes back a ways at the mouth of the Cap. Almost traditional at this point.
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Thanks Sandman. Very educational
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The old lead wrapped treble hook goes back a ways at the mouth of the Cap. Almost traditional at this point.
so sad but so true :-\