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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Rodney on January 09, 2012, 07:12:24 PM
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Because of a lack of time to type up my own words, I've copied and pasted ralfish's posts from flybc (http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=35038) so this information is available for as many anglers as possible.
The Steelhead Society of BC has prepared a brief with some basic project information and listed some concerns regarding SSBC values.
SSBC hopes that people will voice their concerns regarding this project by writing letters. To help with that there is also a sample letter that can be paraphrased or simply copied and sent to the Review Panel using the link in the brief.
The deadline for public comment is March 13 2012.
There has been some stories in the Media as of late with Prime Minister Harper suggesting environmental groups are being financed by American interests to hijack the hearing process.
As Vice President of SSBC I can say we certainly haven't received a dime from any group other than through our grass roots fund raising campaigns that have been supported by people like yourselves.
Every single one of the directors of SSBC whether they are from the Northern branch, Comox branch or the parent body, volunteers their time to various initiatives in an effort to participate in what could be called active grass roots democracy. No, it's not a neat and tidy process, if not passionate its democratic. Frankly, its too bad that Harper and his Big Business friends seem to have a problem with that. We don't have the $100 million war chest that Enbridge has just for moving this proposal forward.
This pipeline will run through some very unstable geographic areas, and cross some of if not the most productive wild summer run steelhead producing watersheds in the world. Please consider the importance of these watersheds and what is at stake here. Technology can change the way we fuel our cars etc, but so far as evidenced in the experience of Enbridge, the best technology in the oil industry can not prevent pipeline or other related oil transportation spills. This is too precious to sit and watch happen without at the very least voicing a concern. Thanks
SSBC Brief (http://www.steelheadsociety.org/sites/default/files/Enbridge%20Northern%20Gateway%20Pipeline%20Project%20Brief%20-%20SSBC.pdf)
If you submit a letter, no matter the medium, you must copy Enbridge and their lawyers for it to be accepted in the Public Registry. Details here (http://gatewaypanel.review-examen.gc.ca/clf-nsi/prtcptngprcss/lttrfcmmnt-eng.html).
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Oops another paster on board. ;D ;D ;D Another thread like the fish farm issue, look for posting from .......................... ;D
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I think it deserves also mention that once the diluted bitumen reaches Kitimat, it needs to be transported by super tanker through Hecate Straight. Hecate Straight is in itself a diverse ecosystem, furthermore its known for extreme weather conditions. I see this presenting two significant problems: first, this greatly increases the risk of running aground secondly, should the unthinkable happen, the cleanup effort will problematic and the diluted bitumen has the potential to widely and rapidly be spread by the weather conditions.
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In Enbridges defense they have had over 1000 oil pipeline spills in the last decade with their existing systems so if anyone knows how to cleanup and coverup spilled oil, it should be them ;) .
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In Enbridges defense they have had over 1000 oil pipeline spills in the last decade with their existing systems so if anyone knows how to cleanup and coverup spilled oil, it should be them ;) .
You present a very valid point. Furthermore, think of the cleanup jobs that would be created should the pipeline leak or a tanker hit a rock in Hecate Straight.
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Oops another paster on board. ;D ;D ;D Another thread like the fish farm issue, look for posting from .......................... ;D
would you be refering to me preaching again? :D
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In Enbridges defense they have had over 1000 oil pipeline spills in the last decade with their existing systems so if anyone knows how to cleanup and coverup spilled oil, it should be them ;) .
wow , don't want them learning any more, especialy here in BC!
this sunken bitumen stuff is especialy hard to work with: If they still can not figure it out at near surface in a river: What would happen if it found it's way into the deeper Aquafirs? does it sink to the bottom or does pressure within disperse it throughout the system.
I'm told that the plan is to pump to Kittamat in one line the bituemen, and use another to pump back to Alberta the waste products. What I was just told is that there is also a proposal to run NG in an other line on the same tract. Has anyone got conformation on that?
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would you be refering to me preaching again? :D
No, not at all, I like your preaching. ;D ;D
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012/01/18/gIQAwoVE8P_story.html
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Alberta will get all the benefits of this project while we are left with all the risk. i encourage people to sign this petition. let them know that this is unacceptable.
http://dogwoodinitiative.org/no-tankers/petition
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Alberta will get all the benefits of this project while we are left with all the risk.
This pipeline will probably be built in the end because of the powerful friends of the proponents, PM etc. I wonder if it is possible for BC to impose a transit tax on the pipeline, high enough so that BC gets a significant part of the 'profit'. This tax would probably be deductible from their income tax so it has to be high enough so that the net remaining with our government is significant. Say $10,000,000/mile/year?
Add another $5,000,000/tanker 'landing fee'.
If you want an update on the Alaska Exxon Valdez spill and the mismanagement that made containing the spill impossible, read The Vultures' Picnic by Greg Palast. http://www.gregpalast.com/vulturespicnic/
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I know it will probably be built, just a shame that all anyone cares about is proheits. i guess i am a radical since i care about what happens in bc according to the harper gov.
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As very short but very funny spoof re Enbridge and the Harper government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZf5fC9v2qE&feature=youtu.be
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wow , don't want them learning any more, especialy here in BC!
this sunken bitumen stuff is especialy hard to work with: If they still can not figure it out at near surface in a river: What would happen if it found it's way into the deeper Aquafirs? does it sink to the bottom or does pressure within disperse it throughout the system.
I'm told that the plan is to pump to Kittamat in one line the bituemen, and use another to pump back to Alberta the waste products. What I was just told is that there is also a proposal to run NG in an other line on the same tract. Has anyone got conformation on that?
The return line will pump Diluent not waste,which is used to thin the raw Bitumen so it can flow down the supply line. Installed a 4 in Diluent line in the Shell Scottsford plant that ran up to Fort Mac so Shell could send thier mined bitumen down to thier Edmonton Upgrader to be refined. IMO, when you build pipelines to ship raw Bitumen to other countries,your also shipping our jobs out as well. Our resource should be refined in our country,not somewhere else.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Government+should+butt+hearings/6018609/story.html
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http://www.ctv.ca/qp/index.html?vidId=597087#TopVideoAn
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The pipelines (Keystone + Northern Gateway) are part of the infastructure that are needed to do trade with the international communities. What happens after the party(building of these projects). Boom and bust for the communities on the path of these lines.(Google building of the Alaska oil pipeline). And what is left--- Very few good paying jobs (my understanding is 5 full time positions per pumping station) some inspection personal and what ever is needed at the terminal (northern gateway). What is needed is secondary upgraders keeping the jobs here in Canada and shipping finished product to the international markets. Easier to clean up. (Remember when we started sending our logs outside of the country to be processed. Thousands of jobs where lost and the government said at least we have some loggers still working. How about the decades we where the hewers of this wood and made a good honest living at it. Sorry different rant.) We will also be able to control pollution in the refining process to our standards as we have seen the lack of standards of some countries.(Been to Shanghia lately?? and which way does that wind blow) As for Kitimat, it will be a major port with liquified natural gas being shipped and the alumium with the expanded smelter and all the oil tanker traffic. With all that shipping activity it is when--- not if a major disaster will happen. (BC ferry sinks, Cruise ship goes down, Ferry hits dock making it unusable, Exxon Valdez etc. and these with the lastest technology). These projects will be built but to what benifit to Canadians. What we have to do is take half of the proceeds of these products for the Canadian people as royalties and not under the present system where the companies pay down thier costs and then pay out royalties. This money can then be used for health care , education or lowering the price of our fuels.
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http://thecanadian.org/item/1294-rafe-mair-tells-harper-joe-oliver-ready-for-bulldozers-enbridge
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January 24, 2012 11:51 ET
Whistleblower Claims Prime Minister's Office Tried to Silence Enbridge Gateway Pipeline Critic
Affidavit claims Prime Minister's Office labelled environmental group an "Enemy of the Government of Canada" and an, "Enemy of the People of Canada".
VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA--(Marketwire - Jan. 24, 2012) - The Prime Minister's Office tried to cut funding of a registered intervenor in the Enbridge Pipeline Review, calling ForestEthics Canada an, "Enemy of the Government of Canada" and an, "Enemy of the People of Canada", according to allegations detailed in a sworn affidavit, dated January 23, 2012.
Sworn by Andrew Frank, former Senior Communications Manager with ForestEthics Canada, and an instructor in the Environmental Protection Technology program at Kwantlen Polytechnic University, the affidavit cites three senior managers with Tides Canada and ForestEthics, as well as personal email correspondence.
"Today, I am taking the extraordinary step of risking my career, my reputation and my personal friendships, to act as a whistleblower and expose the undemocratic and potentially illegal pressure the Harper government has apparently applied to silence critics of the Enbridge Northern Gateway oil tanker/pipeline plan," says Frank.
The affidavit alleges the Prime Minister's Office has made an attempt to influence the charitable funding of ForestEthics Canada, a registered intervenor in the National Energy Board's federal review process for the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline.
According to the affidavit, the Prime Minister's Office has informed Tides Canada CEO, Ross McMillan, that it considers ForestEthics to be an "Enemy of the Government of Canada", and an "Enemy of the people of Canada", and that unless Tides Canada alters its charitable support of ForestEthics, there will be consequences.
"Canadian citizens will be shocked to learn that their own government is labelling critics of the Enbridge oil tanker/pipeline project, 'Enemies of the Government of Canada'," says Mr. Frank. "When a government starts labelling its own citizens 'enemies', it has lost its moral authority to govern."
Frank adds, "If the Prime Minister's Office is working behind the scenes to silence voices of opposition and legitimate criticism, how can Canadians have any confidence in this review process? Canadians should be deeply concerned about this information, and I invite those named in my affidavit to sign sworn affidavits attesting to whether or not this is the truth."
Mr. Frank has also written an open letter to the citizens of Canada free for reprint by media:
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Yep, Harper's and the PMO have declared war on all environmentalists Big E or small e. I'm thinking we have ended up with a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld wannabee/ Thatcherite clone running this country. Never thought I would see the day. In the end up, the only winners in this deal will be foreign owned oil companies. >:(
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I feel this is a for more important issue than the fishfarms, the damage that could, no let me rephrase that will happen is far more serious to not only our salmon stocks, Steelhead stocks and the enviroment as a whole.
As you know Enbridge is known as the company of a thousand leaks. Is supplying asian markets more important than our own enviroment, I think not.
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sort of along the same lines and running concurrent with this thread.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29376.msg280858
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I feel this is a for more important issue than the fishfarms, the damage that could, no let me rephrase that will happen is far more serious to not only our salmon stocks, Steelhead stocks and the enviroment as a whole.
As you know Enbridge is known as the company of a thousand leaks. Is supplying asian markets more important than our own enviroment, I think not.
Agreed. It is also a possibility that we ignore our differences and have the fish farm owners come on board with us, for after all we arte sharing some of the same waters - a spill could cost fish farms a lot of money if their harvest is spoiled and their infrastructure covered in oil.... I know this has implications but it's definitely food for thought.
I think this is similar to what Chris posted above, but it worries me http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/06/corporate-heavy-hitters-team-up-with-harper-in-china
"CEOs and other senior executives from Shell, Air Canada, Bombardier, Scotiabank, Enbridge, Western University, Cenovus and dozens of other Canadian companies, trade groups and other organizations are with Harper in China hoping to press for increased access to the Chinese market."
Hmm...why would Enbridge be attending... :o
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RAFE HERE … below is my blog for the Common Sense Canadian (www,thewcanadian,org,)
And he says modestly, a reminder that my latest book, The Home Stretch is available both at amazon.com and kobo.com at a miserly $9.99
And do please pass this on!
This from the CBC:
Canadian oil and business executives are well-represented in the delegation travelling to China with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, with oil exports expected to be high on the government's agenda.
A delegation assigned to Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver includes eight mining or oil and gas companies.
That list of companies includes none other than Enbridge, Inc.
The prime minister and his government are asking for a show down and my experience this past weekend in Prince Rupert ( http://www.vancouverobserver.com/sustainability/2012/02/05/two-thousand-protest-enbridge-oilsands-pipeline-prince-rupert )indicates that the Enbridge deal, about which more in a moment, is going to spawn a First Nations and supporters v. industry and government fight compared to which all other showdowns will seem like minor incidents.
First, let’s look at the Enbridge deal from the point of view of First Nations both in their territory over which the pipeline travels and those on the coast where the consequent tanker traffic will go.
Enbridge, one of the largest pipeline companies in the world, has an utterly appalling safety record. In fact since 1998 they have had 811 “accidents”. They now tell us that with that record, mostly in easy geographical situations, they can take on the hugely difficult route to Kitimat “accident free" (or that they have a "plan" to deal adequately with spills if they occur).
The pipeline they propose, and Harper and Co. support, is about 1100km from the Alberta Tar Sands to Kitimat over and through both The Rockies, The Coast Range and over 1000 rivers and streams, including critical sources of three major salmon runs. To put this in perspective, in July of 2010 Enbridge had an “accident” which spilled over a million gallons of crude oil near the Kalamazoo River which is near Marshall in Michigan, a populated area.
Two notes from that: the cleanup continues and most observers say it will never be completed and this spill is, unlike the Rockies/Coast Range, easy to access with machinery. And another note: the spill was crude oil, which is bad enough, while the Enbridge pipeline would carry bitumen going west and condensate (the stuff they mix with bitumen) east – bitumen is far more viscous than crude oil.
The last points are very important for that there will be a spill from the Enbridge Northern Gateway line is not a risk but a mathematical certainty, and will happen in places only accessible by helicopter and the damage will be permanent no matter the company does.
We have then 1100 km of venomous gunk of which there will be spills in wild areas inaccessible except by helicopter, which spills threaten precious wildlife and fish, which spills will be there forever. And let’s be clear on this – these spills will happen again and again.
Mr. Harper and his government, dirty hand in dirty hand with Enbridge and the Chinese giant Sinopec, are bound and determined to impose this on the people of British Columbia.
What of our fellow citizens, First Nations? They come into this awful business in two ways – those whose lands have not been ceded and those who live, as they have for centuries on the coast. At this point there are 131 nations absolutely opposed to Enbridge stepping one millimeter into BC.
Enbridge and the two governments are convinced that these First Nations can and will be bought off. And this point must be considered.
Damien Gillis and I were at the huge First Nations rally in Prince Rupert this past weekend and we can both say with confidence that this will not happen - certainly not amongst those represented there. We were both at the historic Save the Fraser Declaration" press conference last December and saw the resolve in the faces of these leaders.
I saw the resolve when I spoke to 500 on Saturday night as I received a hearty standing ovation. I spoke with them afterwards and I can tell Mr. Harper and his resident toady, Resources Minister Joe Oliver, that they have badly and dangerously misread the situation.
The coastal nations know that they must help their eastern brethren in order to help themselves. In the words of spokesman and much admired Gerald Amos of the Haisla Nation,“It isn’t going to happen.”
What’s the matter with our governments? Don’t they understand that there is no way you can settle or compromise this issue? You can’t have half a pipeline or smaller boats!
Premier Christy Clark is a big player in this game because she can put a ban on tankers. The fact is that Gordon Campbell sent a note to Ottawa some years ago saying that his government had no issue with tanker traffic and Premier Photo-Op no doubt thinks that takes her government off the hook. Think again, lady.
Prophets of doom are often, like all messengers, blamed when their prophecies come to pass. I’ll run that risk and tell you fairly that I don’t believe that First Nations can be bribed and that the governments and Enbridge are begging for them and thousands of supporters, growing every day, to resort to violence.
People all around this province, aboriginal and non-aboriginal, are sending the governments, China and Enbridge a very solemn message: Don’t do it.
For in your words, Mr Harper, “there will be consequences.”
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More from Rafe.
http://thecanadian.org/stories/rafe-mair
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http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120212/bc_enbridge_pipeline_deal_120212/20120212/?hub=BritishColumbia
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http://www.terracestandard.com/news/139269343.html
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just in case this has slipped your minds, Deadline approaching ..... fast.
also will post a link from the pulp and paperworkers union study on the actual jobs this is going to cost us, not potentialy, but will.
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http://thecanadian.org/item/1356-harper-and-clark-playing-dangerous-games-enbridge-gateway-pipeline-oil-rafe
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Some interesting views here. Fish farming mentioned too. ;D ;D
http://www.jlsreport.com/?p=3500
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pipeline, tankers threaten rural way of life
By Nikki Skuce, Vancouver Sun March 22, 2012 'This is who I am ... This is where our tradition is. This is our culture."
Wet'suwet'en Hereditary Chief Frank Alec is holding up the pelts of a beautiful timber wolf and pine mar-ten. We are at the Joint Review Panel hearing for the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline and tanker project in Burns Lake and the room is captivated. He lifts a salmon and says, "we cannot live without this sacred animal, our fish, the salmon ... This is who we are."
For those of us who live in rural B.C., this visual demonstration was powerful, but not shocking. Wild salmon are what unites us in this northwest region. First nations and non-first nations alike hunt, trap and fish for sustenance and also commercially.
British Columbians, especially in the northwest, value some things more than money, like healthy freshwater ecosystems and wild salmon. By pro-posing a pipeline and tanker project that impacts those while offering very few benefits (pipelines are simply not job creators), Enbridge has united a broad cross-section of northern B.C.-rednecks and hippies, cowboys and
Indians, conservative and progressive voters. Together, we will defend our assets.
While the coastal first nations who live on B.C.'s north coast prepare for the herring fishery and to gather her-ring roe on kelp, the people of Prince William Sound will go without. The her-ring population collapsed 23 years ago when the Exxon Valdez ran aground on Bligh Reef, gushing crude from a gash in the hull. Some 12.9 billion herring were wiped out when 40 million litres of crude spilled into Prince William Sound. They've never returned.
Risk is the product of probability and consequence. The consequences of an oil spill in our wild salmon watersheds or on our incredible coast would be long-lasting, devastating, and have the potential to literally wipe out cultures.
As Kyle Clifton, Councillor from the Gitga'at First Nation of Hartley Bay said to the Joint Review Panel regarding Enbridge's oil tankers: "For over 200 days a year we're going to wake up in the morning wondering if this is the day our community dies. Does any company have the right to make us live this way?".
When the BC Ferry Queen of the North sank off Gil Island, along Enbridge's proposed tanker route, it was the Gitga'at who arrived to res-cue the passengers first. And it's the Gitga'at who are still unable to harvest shellfish from the area as the sunken ferry continues to burp up diesel.
Those of us who live along the pro-posed Enbridge route are used to road closures, power outages, ferry and flight cancellations due to weather conditions and avalanches. You only have to travel from Smithers to Kiti-mat to know that no amount of engineering through valleys and rich wild salmon rivers, and tunnelling through two incredible coastal mountains can be done safely.
As Enbridge's CEO Pat Daniel has said: "Can we promise there will never be an accident? No. Nobody can." Colin Kinsley, who heads the Northern Gateway Alliance, an Enbridge backed organization championing the pipeline, said "Nobody can say it won't leak at some point. You know, things happen. Who would've thought a billion-dollar cruise ship would run into a rock in Italy in the middle of the day?"
We're not feeling so cavalier. The coastal fisheries and tourism economy of British Columbia employ 45,000 people. Why would British Columbians want to risk thousands of jobs for mere dozens promised by Enbridge?
It's unthinkable to imagine introducing oil supertankers to the Great Bear Rainforest's sea where spirit bears feast on salmon as orca, hump-back and fin whales swim by. Canadians should proudly protect the ecological integrity of the coast of the Great Bear Rainforest, just like Australians do with the Great Barrier Reef.
With all five species of wild salmon, we have much to appreciate and celebrate in British Columbia's northwest. The lessons from the pain and hard-ship in Alaska are that the stakes for introducing oil supertankers to B.C.'s north coast are simply too high.
Nikki Skuce of Smithers is a senior energy campaigner with Forestethics, a San Francisco-based environmental organization
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/pipeline+tankers+threaten+rural+life/6341541/story.html#ixzz1pwcCYIJ4
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http://thecanadian.org/item/1417-video-cancelled-enbridge-hearings-resume-bella-bella-youth-hunger-strike-damien-gillis
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKmeV-sBEU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXaYZVGw44&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6hke_TE80Q&feature=related
got to wonder?
would BCers face the same type of treatment?
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Rafe here and he is very upset as we should be if we care about the environment.
http://thecanadian.org/item/1414-rafe-on-why-budgets-gutting-of-environmental-laws-is-a-good-thing
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By Erin Haluschak - Comox Valley Record
Published: April 03, 2012 2:00 PM
Updated: April 03, 2012 2:28 PM
Setting the tone of discontent against a proposed pipeline project, more than 2,200 protesters packed the parking lot of the Comox Recreation Centre Saturday afternoon.
Braving chilly weather, people from across Vancouver Island gathered to voice their opinions with signs, chants, songs, dance and speeches outside, while inside the centre, a review panel continued to listen to oral hearings from residents on the Enbridge Northern Gateway Project.
"This turnout here is very exciting for us, because we're all supporting the same cause," said Andy Everson of the K'ómoks First Nation who addressed the large crowd.
"I know me and my brothers and sisters and aunties, we're all here to support our northern brothers for what they're going through and the way they're being treated by the government, by these big corporations. We really need to stand together, shoulder to shoulder and speak up, and want to send our message, our song, our words to the people in Ottawa, to the people in those big corporations, who really want to take over our territory that we've never given up."
The Enbridge Northern Gateway Project is a proposed two-pipeline system 1,170 km long, stretching from Bruderheim, AB (north of Edmonton) to a marine terminal in Kitimat, B.C.
A strong police presence surrounded both inside and outside the centre, as the the two-day session which began Friday of the joint review panel — an independent body that will assess the environmental effects of the project — listened to more than 40 oral statements.
"I feel very fortunate to be able to live so close to the ocean and see the beauty of it everyday. I don't want to wake up one morning and look out my window that all of that beautiful blue water and everything in it has been drenched in thick, black oil," said 11-year-old Brooklyn Elementary School student Jack Mingue Saturday afternoon, the youngest presenter at the hearing.
"Enbridge has had 804 spills in the past 11 years. Can they guarantee us that one of those supertankers are not going to make 805? I just know that this is not the right thing to do, and there has got to be a better way to make Canada more economically developed," he added to a reception of applause from the standing-room only crowd inside.
Jack Rosen, an adventure company owner and experienced kayak tour guide from Salt Spring Island who represented the Sea Kayak Guides Alliance of British Columbia, explained to the panel the pipeline would be severely detrimental to not only the tourism industry, but the health of the marine ecosystem.
"I've led kayak expeditions from Salt Spring to Alaska twice. I know these waters of the Great Bear Rainforest well. They are extreme, they are pristine, and they exude wildlife. These waters are the essence of British Columbia and its cultural heritage," he explained.
"A bitumen spill would cause massive repercussions to the coast, which in effect, would affect the livelihood of so many who depend on these waters. As a person who evaluates risk everyday in my job, I want to stress from my viewpoint and those 800 sea kayakers who I represent, the inherent risk of this pipeline is not worth the devastating consequences of one spill," added Rosen.
Enbridge president John Carruthers told media Friday the hearings provide an opportunity for the public to better understand the project and have the chance for their concerns to be heard.
"This is another forum for them to learn about the project and have their key issues addressed. We find the more people know about the project, the more those key questions are addressed, and people can be more supportive of it, the more they know about it," he said.
"They do have very valid concerns that we have to address, and part of that is through education. Explaining what's different then what's happened historically, what we're doing, what we're doing over and above regulation, and what's been done in the past. Generally everything that's been done in the past has been done very well and very safely. There is just better information which reduces the anxiety people have," he added.
Carruthers explained there have been cases where Enbridge has changed routing in regards to public concern or have addressed them specially. He added he understands people are concerned about the marine environment.
"I think people need to understand this is an opportunity for people to provide their information to the board so they can consider it in terms of making their final decision about the project," he said.
Outside the hearing, Fanny Bay residents Don and Jaye Casteden said it was important to participate in the rally and were pleased with the amount of people who showed solidarity against the project.
"This pipeline is going to cross thousands of rivers and streams, and through weather that is going to be very very hot to temperatures that are going to be in the minus 40s. This company has had oil spills, many, many hundreds of oil spills," said Jaye. "They say there isn't going to be any risk, but there is no reason for us to believe that, because they've already had spills, and why won't they have another at some point?"
She added although there will be a fair number of jobs in the first three years of building the pipeline, they will certainly be reduced following construction.
"My concern there is that there could be many jobs that could be destroyed by an oil tanker spill. These jobs are only sporadic ... I think jobs are a concern to Canadians; we need green projects to make jobs available to Canadians."
Don explained he felt government and corporations need to explore innovative ways to create jobs through technology, not oil.
"When you think about jobs, they've got no imagination. They could be creating all kinds of new technologies, alternative energy. Other places such as Germany, even China are way ahead of us. We're just sitting around plucking the easy money from oil and resources