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Title: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on November 08, 2011, 09:36:16 PM
http://www.theprovince.com/Port+Moody+pushes+shark/5671350/story.html



Oysters are probably a good alternative. That and Viagra or one of those other type of meat tenderizers. 8) if your looking for that reaction. 8)

But really, people should lay off shark fin. Sounds like it's more the cartilage texture of sharky's fin is the appeal. And the taste of the soup. For me soups soup. Not some kind of carnal taste test.

Reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr0TLDvPoc4


I just want to have a normal soup
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: holmes on November 08, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
what about this.... ;D ....holmes*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRqMpRi_P8&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRqMpRi_P8&feature=player_detailpage)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 09, 2011, 09:08:18 AM
Eating Shark Fin soup is part of the Chinese culture and I dont think its right to ban a specific ingredient. The problem is not with eating the sharkfin but with the method fishermen use to harvest this ingredient. But I agree that it would not hurt if people just stop eating it but it should be their own choice.

If people think we need to stop eating sharkfin then might as well  ban caviar since they are coming from sturgeon and last time I checked, they were endangered. Might as well be nice to the environment and just ban sturgeon fishing altogether!

Also to compare some practice of harvesting, I heard it gets pretty cruel slaughtering cows, so i'm sure some people in India think we should ban eating beef.


next time you eat a steak,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: purple monster on November 09, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
you should perhaps check out or Google the FIN FREE  WEB SITE, FACEBOOK ETC. 

So far, it looks like we manage to kill off 98% of the shark population.  Fin free movement are working to save the remaining 2%. 
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 09, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
you should perhaps check out or Google the FIN FREE  WEB SITE, FACEBOOK ETC.  

So far, it looks like we manage to kill off 98% of the shark population.  Fin free movement are working to save the remaining 2%.  

Agreed, but banning it in Canada or Europe or the US does not solve the problem. If China doesn't ban it, the population there can eat the rest of the 2%

Maybe its the time to domesticate the Shark species and grow them ourselves? Add a genetic twist like the KFC chickens and make them grow 10 fins? Time to bring up that idea on the Dragon's Den lol On a side note we did a great job at the salmon farms (sarcasm).
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: cutthroat22 on November 09, 2011, 10:46:54 AM
So far, it looks like we manage to kill off 98% of the shark population.  Fin free movement are working to save the remaining 2%. 

This stat seems way off...

Maybe 98% of the shark is thrown away?

Maybe 98 percent of a certain species of shark was killed off?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on November 09, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
Eating Shark Fin soup is part of the Chinese culture and I dont think its right to ban a specific ingredient. The problem is not with eating the sharkfin but with the method fishermen use to harvest this ingredient. But I agree that it would not hurt if people just stop eating it but it should be their own choice.
If we don't ban sharkfin imports and fishing of ecologically unsustainable fisheries, we can't criticize other nations that practice it. We already ban lots of products from endangered species so what's the difference?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 09, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
If we don't ban sharkfin imports and fishing of ecologically unsustainable fisheries, we can't criticize other nations that practice it. We already ban lots of products from endangered species so what's the difference?


Do you really think banning shark fin imports will help much in reducing the consumption of shark fin? Is your whole point of banning it so it provides you "rights" to criticize other nations that do eat it ? I think living in Canada people should be able to choose for themselves whether or not they want to eat the food. There is a lot of other activities that cause a bigger environmental impact, why not ban that too?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on November 09, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
Good to see a push for this. The sooner it happens the better it is for the global shark populations. :)

This Chinese can live without shark fin soup. :D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on November 09, 2011, 07:35:10 PM
I think most people who eat the stuff can substitute some other cartilage or whatever. Or GM a shark so that it has this incredibly big fin and tastes like chicken. Even GM some Viagra into the shark so it actually is a stimulant. Maybe include a blow up shark in case things get out of hand.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on November 09, 2011, 09:50:06 PM
Do you really think banning shark fin imports will help much in reducing the consumption of shark fin? Is your whole point of banning it so it provides you "rights" to criticize other nations that do eat it ? I think living in Canada people should be able to choose for themselves whether or not they want to eat the food. There is a lot of other activities that cause a bigger environmental impact, why not ban that too?
It's a necessary step towards International banning of shark fin fisheries so the product is illegal. Worked for drift net fishing in the north Pacific.
Do you really think we Canadians should be able to buy and eat anything without regard to its source or impact on the species? I sure hope not......
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: silver ghost on November 10, 2011, 01:18:06 AM
If you think about it, people are more worried about the price and whether a type of food is healthy before they consider environmental implications.

If people think we need to stop eating sharkfin then might as well  ban caviar since they are coming from sturgeon and last time I checked, they were endangered. Might as well be nice to the environment and just ban sturgeon fishing altogether!

Actually, there are sustainable sources of caviar. There is a sturgeon caviar farm on vancouver island that uses a closed system, to name an example. Also, sturgeon is a complete catch and release fishery in BC so banning sturgeon fishing wouldnt really make a difference on the caviar market. People who are poaching sturgeon for caviar will do it regardless of the rules
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 10, 2011, 08:09:02 AM
If you think about it, people are more worried about the price and whether a type of food is healthy before they consider environmental implications.

Actually, there are sustainable sources of caviar. There is a sturgeon caviar farm on vancouver island that uses a closed system, to name an example. Also, sturgeon is a complete catch and release fishery in BC so banning sturgeon fishing wouldnt really make a difference on the caviar market. People who are poaching sturgeon for caviar will do it regardless of the rules

That is true, but the best way to revive a species is probably to leave it alone and not fish it even if it is catch and release. Its probably not the most ethical thing to put these ancient beasts through the amount of stress of being caught, taken a picture of, and then release. Last time I checked that doesn't make them live longer, and what do we benefit from it ? A nice long fight vs a fish? A nice picture so you can post it online? I'm not sure what the concern is here? The species itself (sharks) or do people have a problem with the practice fishermen use to kill sharks?

In reality, I doubt that Vancouver will ban Shark Fin, since it would probably piss off most restaurant owners in the Vancouver/Richmond area. The economic costs of banning shark fin in Vancouver will probably be higher than the environmental "gains". If you really care about the environment, there should be more protests regarding the oil sands in Alberta, lumber industries in BC, and not to protest something that we will make very minimal impact. No offence but we have 30 million people in Canada in total, out of 30 million how many consume shark fin ? In Shanghai there is aprox, 18 million people, in Beijing another 12-15 million and those are just 2 cities.


As long as poverty is around, its hard to educate people to not harvest the sharks for their fins, because at the end of the day, its those fins that are putting food on the table. And banning it in BC, will not cut down the demand by much.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: matrix111 on November 10, 2011, 08:13:55 AM

If people think we need to stop eating sharkfin then might as well  ban caviar since they are coming from sturgeon and last time I checked, they were endangered. Might as well be nice to the environment and just ban sturgeon fishing altogether!

next time you eat a steak,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4


  You haven't checked hard enough. Caviars are from farmed sturgeon, 10 years before they harvest it.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 10, 2011, 08:16:07 AM
It's a necessary step towards International banning of shark fin fisheries so the product is illegal. Worked for drift net fishing in the north Pacific.
Do you really think we Canadians should be able to buy and eat anything without regard to its source or impact on the species? I sure hope not......
\


Yes it would be nice of Shark Fin banned internationally, but I doubt we have the political strength etc to put this kind of pressure on countries like China to not buy it. I hear about us complaining about China's human right issues and they seem to care less, so what makes you think they will care about sharks? The same arguments will be brought up like every other international conference. The developed nations have done so much polluting and damage to the environment to get where they are (USA, Canada, Europe), why should the developing countries slow down their development?

I totally disagree with the consumption of whales/dolphins but even with the pressure from different environmental groups, Japan seems to be continuing their "cultural" activities.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 10, 2011, 08:16:51 AM
 You haven't checked hard enough. Caviars are from farmed sturgeon, 10 years before they harvest it.

Time for shark farms! And trust me Sturgeon farms weren't around when Caviar was first being consumed, it was probably the solution so Sturgeons wont become extinct.


Another reason why the Government will probably not support the international banning of Shark Fin, well even if they did, wont make much of a difference.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/11/09/bc-china-mining-deals.html
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: silver ghost on November 11, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
That is true, but the best way to revive a species is probably to leave it alone and not fish it even if it is catch and release. Its probably not the most ethical thing to put these ancient beasts through the amount of stress of being caught, taken a picture of, and then release. Last time I checked that doesn't make them live longer, and what do we benefit from it ? A nice long fight vs a fish? A nice picture so you can post it online? I'm not sure what the concern is here? The species itself (sharks) or do people have a problem with the practice fishermen use to kill sharks?

In reality, I doubt that Vancouver will ban Shark Fin, since it would probably piss off most restaurant owners in the Vancouver/Richmond area. The economic costs of banning shark fin in Vancouver will probably be higher than the environmental "gains". If you really care about the environment, there should be more protests regarding the oil sands in Alberta, lumber industries in BC, and not to protest something that we will make very minimal impact. No offence but we have 30 million people in Canada in total, out of 30 million how many consume shark fin ? In Shanghai there is aprox, 18 million people, in Beijing another 12-15 million and those are just 2 cities.


As long as poverty is around, its hard to educate people to not harvest the sharks for their fins, because at the end of the day, its those fins that are putting food on the table. And banning it in BC, will not cut down the demand by much.

Interesting points. I have never fished sturgeon before, dontreally have a strong desire too but dont think it should be banned either so long as you go with a guide who knows what hes doing and takes steps to avoid harm to the fish.

Im kind of confused about your position though, because on one hand you are saying to ban sturgeon fishing but on the other hand you say there is no point banning shark fin  :D ? I get where youre coming from, but if we can save 50 sharks per year say, I think that is still making a difference  8) jus sayin
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 11, 2011, 12:36:17 PM
Interesting points. I have never fished sturgeon before, dontreally have a strong desire too but dont think it should be banned either so long as you go with a guide who knows what hes doing and takes steps to avoid harm to the fish.

Im kind of confused about your position though, because on one hand you are saying to ban sturgeon fishing but on the other hand you say there is no point banning shark fin  :D ? I get where youre coming from, but if we can save 50 sharks per year say, I think that is still making a difference  8) jus sayin

I've never gone sturgeon fishing either but I can't see fighting them for 15 min being a healthy dose of cardio for them.

I believe that shark fin should be banned because Sharks to act as a very important part of our ecosystem, but I think there are so many more practices in our society that has a way larger impact on our environment. Instead of trying to create media attention and campaigning to ban shark fin in Canadian cities (I can almost guarantee that we account for a very small percentage of the total consumption of shark fin) why don't these people spend more time doing something a bit more productive? Unless we can stop the demand of shark fin from the countries in Asia or other parts of the world, campaigning for banning shark fin soup is almost as pointless as the people wasting their lives and our tax dollars "hanging out, smoking pot" at the Vancouver Art Gallery.

Like i've said in my previous posts, the sad truth of why it will be very difficult to save the sharks is simply that outside of our country, a lot of the world is living in poverty or very poor conditions. Back in the days when we were at a similar state, many animals ie. American Bison etc have all been species that have been almost pushed to extinction. But over time and as our livelihood got better, people became more concerned about other factors of life such as the environment. For the people who fish the sharks, its hard for them to comprehend the importance of the environment when they are struggling to put food on the table everyday.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: silver ghost on November 15, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
I get what you're saying. It makes sense for these people to better use their time attacking the broader issue.

thankfully greenpeace does wonderful work regarding this matter ex. exposure and education
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 21, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
good to see..

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Hong+Kong+hotel+group+strikes+shark+menu/5743599/story.html
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: roseph on November 23, 2011, 08:13:32 AM
That is great to see.  I think other businesses will follow if it affects their bottom line. 

It's easier for customers to make an informed decision when the country they're from or respect has banned something like selling sharkfin.  I don't see anything negative in putting efforts towards a ban.  It brings the issue to people who might otherwise not be aware and makes our position on the matter clear.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Sandy on November 23, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
I agree with you Roseph, many immigrant..oops! new Canadian groups cannot eat or import some foods that they considered traditional or just cos they liked it this goes for the Asians as well.
Just because you are from a certain ethnic group does not mean you have the right to break the laws of your new homeland or expect special treatment.
Ban Sharkfining and outlaw the possession of fins or products Fishing quotas do not work, If you know that the penalty for possession is going to be stiff, there will be a better chance of squelching this trade. Of course that takes a legal system that has some guts! another discussion, another day.

I want real haggis and royal game soup!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on November 30, 2011, 03:40:05 PM
What is the justification to ban Chinese in this country from eating shark's fin soup when the West allows the slaughtering of the blue fin tuna & the Japanese fleets are still hunting whales? Which are the more endangered species? I believe this is hypocritical. It is more about this - I can eat what I like but not you. I support more regulating & monitoring of shark harvest, not banning shark's fin. Sharks, like tuna & whale, should be allowed to be harvested by men on a controlled basis. Sharks just killed a few people recently in Australia, not to say there are many unreported attacks in the world. Do you want to swim in shark infested waters or fall off your boat in those waters after man stop hunting them altogether and their population explode? We see what happen to the salmon when seals are not hunted by man. If they don't find enough food in the open ocean, they gather at river mouths or even swim up tributary rivers (like the Vedder) to decimate the fish near their spawning ground. The future is not all that rosy.  ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 01, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
What is the justification to ban Chinese in this country from eating shark's fin soup when the West allows the slaughtering of the blue fin tuna & the Japanese fleets are still hunting whales? Which are the more endangered species? I believe this is hypocritical. It is more about this - I can eat what I like but not you. I support more regulating & monitoring of shark harvest, not banning shark's fin. Sharks, like tuna & whale, should be allowed to be harvested by men on a controlled basis. Sharks just killed a few people recently in Australia, not to say there are many unreported attacks in the world. Do you want to swim in shark infested waters or fall off your boat in those waters after man stop hunting them altogether and their population explode? We see what happen to the salmon when seals are not hunted by man. If they don't find enough food in the open ocean, they gather at river mouths or even swim up tributary rivers (like the Vedder) to decimate the fish near their spawning ground. The future is not all that rosy.  ::)

finally someone that can see the bigger picture. totally agree with that.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: roseph on December 01, 2011, 03:36:48 PM
What is the justification to ban Chinese in this country from eating shark's fin soup when the West allows the slaughtering of the blue fin tuna & the Japanese fleets are still hunting whales? Which are the more endangered species? I believe this is hypocritical. It is more about this - I can eat what I like but not you. I support more regulating & monitoring of shark harvest, not banning shark's fin. Sharks, like tuna & whale, should be allowed to be harvested by men on a controlled basis. Sharks just killed a few people recently in Australia, not to say there are many unreported attacks in the world. Do you want to swim in shark infested waters or fall off your boat in those waters after man stop hunting them altogether and their population explode? We see what happen to the salmon when seals are not hunted by man. If they don't find enough food in the open ocean, they gather at river mouths or even swim up tributary rivers (like the Vedder) to decimate the fish near their spawning ground. The future is not all that rosy.  ::)

wow!  man I hope you're not in charge of anything important.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 02, 2011, 03:26:49 PM
wow!  man I hope you're not in charge of anything important.

I beg to differ, its not a crime stating the sad truth with the reality of this world. The world is a lot bigger than just BC and Canada.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 03, 2011, 02:29:56 AM
I don't know what is wrong with my position. It is about fairness. Seal hunt, for example, has been the way of life for eons of time of the Eskimo before the white men arrived this continent. Why should the Eskimo's traditional way of life be ruined by them being targeted by the extremist elements of the educated western industrialized world, such as the animal rights folks or greenpeace? Just because seals are cute and have been some one's childhood toys? The Inuits' traditional seal hunt has been targeted, the bloody scenes twisted & horrified, and the mass media caught on the frenzy (and the same tactics are being used against shark hunt). Seal fur & products were banned in many parts of the world. The native Inuit people's way of life, their income source dried up. Their youth who are supposed to learn hunting from their elders and spending time on the wild wrestling with nature are losing direction in life, and in boredom turning to boosts, drugs, and they have the highest suicide rate among young people of the country. It is genocide, man. Even some of the original founder of Greenpeace regretted the harm done to the Inuit people.

Why the heck the West don't turn the cameras to their own slaughter houses, the fish markets or aboard the fishing boats in the West. They don't waste anything or not cruel enough? Look at the shrimp fleets. How many other species of fish have been accidentally killed by the shrimp trawlers or being met with cruel handling? Why shouldn't the West stop eating their shrimps? I get it. You can enjoy your shrimp salad but we cannot drink our soup (even when most Chinese don't have shark fin soup once per year as it is only a ceremonial dish while the West eat shrimp whole year round). Wastage? Don't just take the fin & dump the whole mercury laden shark body? Wait a minute. Those shrimp boats just dump tons of other little fishes overboard to get a bucket of shrimps. That is not wastage? Locally, don't we see chum roe taken while the whole ocean fresh & edible chum dumped here? Talking about wastage!!! Why then no western media frenzy over such wastage? Perhaps China should bring their filiming crews here to expose the hypocrisy.

Now the animal rights group, the eco scientists, the environmentali freaks (oh yes, the shark dive operators too) are stirring up the sentiment against the Chinese eating shark fin soup in urnest like they did seals. In shark, some of these groups find another hot button to push. When the issue is hotly contested, the donation/funding to these groups will pour in. In reality, they may never achieve the goals of shutting down shark hunting in the world, but many small fishing communities of the world are going to suffer with dwindling income with less places to sell to. Who know what will happen to those communities and their young people. These people don't have universities to go to. Fishing can be their way of life for life. The human cost of a complete ban can be enormous. Why is it that these folks can lose their income? They will do more damage to fish in the oceans? Oh well, so why don't we shut down the shrimp fleets, the mile-long high sea drift net fleets, or even salmon farms here while they have done so much damage to wild stocks in Europe and probably here already.

Let's be fair. The effort should be to pressure for regulating sharks harvest among countries, just like blue fin tuna & whales. Not a complete ban on shark fin or shark harvest. To do so is to me a direct assault to the Chinese cultural tradition. The Chinese nation and its people are no longer a push over like the old days. Better be a fair play to them, or else they may pull the plug on the West on their debts .... ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Sandy on December 08, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
liketofish,
you bring up some very valid points, first regulation is often brought in to place because the public find a certain practice distasteful; very few people seem to have a liking to the shark killing ,no matter who reports it. The argue meant that other species are treated just as bad does not cut it; akin to complaining everyone else was speeding too! We cannot continue to pillage the seas and hope that it's bounty will never end.
 I happen to agree that the native peoples should be able to hunt and kill their traditional foods in support of their traditional lifestyle, but any sport or commercial harvesting should be open to all Canadians without bias. You are right in that many folks, too many, do not consider that domestic stock are not an option,  should it be a forced option on natives especially so to the northern native,and we non-natives eat domestic stock simply because it was and is easy to get.

your point about by-catch wastage is also valid, I  believe that any commercial fisher should have to land all fish caught and those fish should be recorded. The system we now have just subscribes to wastage; licences should be based on total amounts caught and not just landed (all fish caught should be landed ). Right now you can buy haddock marked product of China ,does not say it was caught of the coast of Europe. caught, processed, packaged and transfers to cargo ships at sea.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Sandy on December 08, 2011, 10:24:37 PM
as for the Chinese pulling their debt? a naive statement at best, think about it! China survives and has grown simply because it is a source of cheap labour and hence products that the so-called developed world needs or wants. What would happen if China pulled it's markers in? some countries will have to basically become insolvent, therefore they cannot buy products from.... you guessed it China, now what? wait, what about the other countries that cannot pay too? China needs exports to stay afloat right? or it's growth comes to a halt ala the US, they also have to give trade loans so that the client can buy their products, around and around it goes until someone stops the wheel. China is now no differant than the other leading countries and is just as vulnerable to the foibles of world economics, as is beginning to show up now.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on December 08, 2011, 10:51:29 PM
How time changes things, anyone remember the mudshark derbies back in the day, I forgot now who sponsored it but let me tell you alot of boats came in loaded with dead fish. You should have seen the sea floor of horseshoe bay at the end of the derby. But I digress, after seeing how the fins are harvested, there has to be a better way. I blame the fish farms. ;D




Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 09, 2011, 11:16:51 PM
How time changes things, anyone remember the mudshark derbies back in the day, I forgot now who sponsored it but let me tell you alot of boats came in loaded with dead fish. You should have seen the sea floor of horseshoe bay at the end of the derby. But I digress, after seeing how the fins are harvested, there has to be a better way. I blame the fish farms. ;D






I hear some Cow slaughterhouses get pretty cruel and inhuman.... and cows are religious to the Hindu so maybe we should ban the consumption of beef?      Its pretty high in cholesterol anyways.. might as well eat more fish and chicken.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 10, 2011, 01:03:51 AM
Sandy, thanks for your points. Oh that debt stuff is just a humorous way of China fighting back unfair treatment. It is not meant to be literal. These political games are played by the highest level of governments from various countries, especially between Europe, USA, Japan & China. Who know what the gives and takes are in each negotiations. For example, USA needs China to calm down her little brother North Korea, so China told them not to bother her on the currency issue (that RMB currency value needs to be increased). Or that China would buy Airbus planes so that European Union wouldn't bother them on human rights issues etc. etc. Who knows if the Europeans or USA someday took the lead to force other countries to stop shark hunt (like they do for seals) while they still enjoy their reckless shrimp hawls or blue fin tuna hunts, China would say we need to call the loan on all the money you borrow from us, or that they start dumping Euro or US currency in protest. Haha. That will be fun. China isn't a push over any more like a 100 years ago when 8 major foreign powers plundered her and she could do nothing about.   ;D  Some of these political moves can be so subtle that it may not outrightly harm world's economy to harm China back. If China simply won't buy US Treasury bills, or some sovereign bonds, these respective governments will have to scramble to pay their own government employees including the politicians themselves.  ;D  The last I check, China's economy has now shifted more to internal market demands and enjoying 9% growth even at the current state of world economy. There are hundred of millions of growing middle class now in China. I was in HK a few weeks ago. There was a line up 3 blocks long in front of a LV bag store by Chinese tourists and it is not even Christmas or New Year yet.  Doesn't look like they are suffering like the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 10, 2011, 01:29:35 AM
I hear some Cow slaughterhouses get pretty cruel and inhuman.... and cows are religious to the Hindu so maybe we should ban the consumption of beef?      Its pretty high in cholesterol anyways.. might as well eat more fish and chicken.

The media cameras can do anything to make things look horrible in any place blood is spilled for food. May be some big shops can do the killing in humane way for some foods. But the cameras can just turn to those who don't comply and everything looks ugly. To expect poor fishermen who have very little means beyond basic subsistence to go for modern equipment (like electric shock setup or guns) to be able to do harvesting humanely is not realistic at all. How do the commercial gill netters of the world remove fish from the net? They will probably pull the whole fish back & forth to get loose from the net, tearing off gills etc even when the poor fish is still alive. Do you think they will bonk the fish humanely like us sport fishermen before they do the brutal thing to the fish? It will slow them down. Fat chance.

On the point of food preference, Chinese are known to eat the guts or animal parts that westerners dislike. So do we point the fingers at the West for wasting the guts, the organs, the head, the tail and only eat the meaty portion? And if they don't eat the other stuffs, then is that ground to make the attack that the West is wasteful and so should stop eating their favourite meats? Or as Ed points out, some ethnic or religious groups don't even eat certain animals. Should they push that to foreigners and ban them from eating steaks? I don't think a foreigner is denied from eating steaks in India. I have not heard that they ban steak import like they are doing in Toronto to stop Chinese from eating shark fin soup. That is a bit over-stretched and is unfair to the Toronto Chinese community.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on December 10, 2011, 10:43:11 AM
http://www.findonnelly.ca/sharkfinpetition
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 13, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
Sandy, thanks for your points. Oh that debt stuff is just a humorous way of China fighting back unfair treatment. It is not meant to be literal. These political games are played by the highest level of governments from various countries, especially between Europe, USA, Japan & China. Who know what the gives and takes are in each negotiations. For example, USA needs China to calm down her little brother North Korea, so China told them not to bother her on the currency issue (that RMB currency value needs to be increased). Or that China would buy Airbus planes so that European Union wouldn't bother them on human rights issues etc. etc. Who knows if the Europeans or USA someday took the lead to force other countries to stop shark hunt (like they do for seals) while they still enjoy their reckless shrimp hawls or blue fin tuna hunts, China would say we need to call the loan on all the money you borrow from us, or that they start dumping Euro or US currency in protest. Haha. That will be fun. China isn't a push over any more like a 100 years ago when 8 major foreign powers plundered her and she could do nothing about.   ;D  Some of these political moves can be so subtle that it may not outrightly harm world's economy to harm China back. If China simply won't buy US Treasury bills, or some sovereign bonds, these respective governments will have to scramble to pay their own government employees including the politicians themselves.  ;D  The last I check, China's economy has now shifted more to internal market demands and enjoying 9% growth even at the current state of world economy. There are hundred of millions of growing middle class now in China. I was in HK a few weeks ago. There was a line up 3 blocks long in front of a LV bag store by Chinese tourists and it is not even Christmas or New Year yet.  Doesn't look like they are suffering like the rest of the world.

I agree, I was in Shanghai during the expos and Beijing as well and honestly the shopping hasnt stopped at all during the recession. Recently, I've read news articles saying that China is losing money on exports to Europe due to the financial crisis so suppliers will start producing goods to meet the local demands. However like you said in your post, there are line ups in front of LV stores but if you go take a walk around Holt Renfrew in Vancouver most of the people shopping are also asian.

One of China's problem right now is that there are tons of rich people and there are even more (a lot more) poor people. Cities like Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, and etc were developed to make China look advanced but if you travel to some of the many smaller cities you will soon realize that it almost feels like detroit or worse.

PS. scary thing is usually when debts get out of control..war usually happens after  :-[

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 18, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
http://www.findonnelly.ca/sharkfinpetition

That is a waste of my tax money for a MP to spend time to labour for animal rights group. If a Canadian MP has to lobby for a fish, we rather he lobby to protect our salmon & steelhead. But then he has to deal with logging and perhaps salmon fish farms.

Beware that China's MPs may do the same petition to stop import of Canadian lumber as logging has done tremendous damage to the survival and perhaps extinction of the wild salmon stocks.  ;D Stop logging and remove the fish farms for your wild salmon's sake before you talk about shark fins.  ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Schenley on December 22, 2011, 10:12:25 AM
Liketofish -- your statement "To expect poor fishermen who have very little means beyond basic subsistence to go for modern equipment (like electric shock setup or guns) to be able to do harvesting humanely is not realistic at all. " shows complete ignorance of how the the shark finning industry operates.     It isnt about some poor little Chinese fisherman in a loincloth working to feed his family-- But it IS all about 21 century incredibly wasteful industrial fishing .
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: cutthroat22 on December 22, 2011, 10:21:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65FgUYdBOc
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on December 22, 2011, 10:21:53 AM
Liketofish -- your statement "To expect poor fishermen who have very little means beyond basic subsistence to go for modern equipment (like electric shock setup or guns) to be able to do harvesting humanely is not realistic at all. " shows complete ignorance of how the the shark finning industry operates.     It isnt about some poor little Chinese fisherman in a loincloth working to feed his family-- But it IS all about 21 century incredibly wasteful industrial fishing .

x2
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 23, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
Liketofish -- your statement "To expect poor fishermen who have very little means beyond basic subsistence to go for modern equipment (like electric shock setup or guns) to be able to do harvesting humanely is not realistic at all. " shows complete ignorance of how the the shark finning industry operates.     It isnt about some poor little Chinese fisherman in a loincloth working to feed his family-- But it IS all about 21 century incredibly wasteful industrial fishing .

And who do you think the industries employ in order to do their fishing? you think that every country has a minimum wage and benefits? Sharks will be consumed just as trees will be cut down in the amazon. People's priorities usually isn't the environment first. Last time I checked Canada and the USA backed out of the Kyoto Protocol so they would save a few bucks.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 24, 2011, 02:07:08 AM
If you think sharks are all caught & sold by large fleets like those in Japan or China, you are dead wrong. There are so many little fishing communities all along the African coasts, the islanders, Phillipines, Indonesia etc among some of the poorest countries in the world. These folks are deprived of modern education and whatever they catch help in their subsistence.  These are the people who will find their income greatly affected. They turn those man-eaters that nobody eat or want into something valuable (just like you guys eat tuners & salmon) to sell to the more affluent worlds. In these places, sharks are enemies to them. They eat their valuable fish (just like seals snapping our catch from our lines), and probably eat any one swimming in their paths including poor kids who have no anti-shark nets where they swim or fish. Who want sharks infesting their waters after they cannot catch sharks for selling off? Again, it is the west and the animal rights folks forcing their value on them while the west are ok with their plundering of sea life with tons of waste from their shrimp flleets & depleting off the blue fins with their tuner fleets.

When a tourist or a person is killed in the western world by a shark, it gets in the media. But you think if a poor kid or fisherman got swallowed in these little known communities, they never get reported into the so called 'statistics'. In the old days when people used to flee autocratic communist China by the sea, they swam across the narrow channels trying to seek freedom in Hong Kong. So many of them never made it, just became hamburgers for Mr. Jaws. How many of them ever got reported in media for statistics. These animal rights group paint a picture that sharks are mostly harmless. Don't believe for a minute. Yes, they won't attack you if you are in diving suit like those in  shark dive tourist sites. Try it when you are splashing on the surface as a swimmer, or boat accident survivor. Personally, an extra human life lost to sharks is one too many to lose. It is not a statistic. It is a family's tragedy.

Animal rights group usually don't think so. A while ago, there was a email originated from the anti-shark hunt folks. This email is sickening to any one who treasures human life. It tries to show all the 'horrific' scenes of shark markets. Then it said the markets in the pictures are very near to the Japanese tsunami site. So they shamelessly claim the 20,000 lives lost as a karma of what the Japanese fishermen there do to the sharks, as if implying that they deserve their tragic fate. What a sickening message for some very extreme people. Their message is like if you harm the animals, you deserve your demise. No wonder we see the tree spikers, the eco terrorists, who put long nail spikes into trees so that loggers can be injured or killed when their power saws cutting through the trees hitting the spikes like bullets. To think these folks will have any thought about saving precious human lives lost in increased shark attacks after shark hunts are stopped in the world is just a waste of time.  :(
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Schenley on December 28, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Nice tirade dude.... but you are still ignoring the fact that it is INDUSTRIAL fishing that is creating havoc on the ocean's fish populations.  And dont give me the crap about the poor little native kid eaten by sharks, so its OK to massacre every shark that can be caught to cut its fins off and sell them to the Asians..

http://www.stopsharkfinning.net/shark-finning.htm
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 30, 2011, 01:46:55 AM
If it is not a problem for you that unguarded swimmers & poor kids without shark net in their swimming area got eaten by more & more sharks after shark fishing is banned world-wide, then we have no common point to argue about. I treasure one human life more than a shark. What is the point to talk about cruelty to shark when it also mercilessly devour its preys. The industries can be regulated to have more humane way of finning sharks such as bonking it like us on salmon, or shooting it like people do for large halibut.

To me, sharks have no right about all other ocean life forms which human prey for food, including your salmon, tuner, snapper, shrimps, halibut and numerous others. Why the heck shark has to be exempted from being harvested? If a shark is killed humanely, finned, and dumped overboard, it actually returns its nutrients to the sea life at large which it took from. It will benefit many bottom dwellers in the oceans. Shark fin is not just a delicacy for the Chinese. Its soft cartilage has been proven as a cancer fighting ingredient in consumption by many cancer sufferers, at least in Asia. Once I watched a TV documentary exploring the cancer fighting quality of shark's cartilage. It had two cancer cells in comparison. One cell got no treatment, and the microscope shows the cell multiplies with more blood vessels connecting to the tumorous cell. The other cell got droplets of shark cartilage extract. Amazingly, after treatment, the cancer cell shrank as the blood vessels fail to grow to supply the cancer cell with blood. It was jaw dropping to see the result. Go to health food store and explore this product if you or folks you know have cancer.

I don't have compassion on man eaters like shark. I don't trust all the science from these extreme groups. Haven't we seen the scientific data tampered or altered by some scientists bent on their drive for global warming. I just don't see sharks more endangered then whales, blue fin tuner, and I don't see the method of shark hunting killing zillions of by-catches like that done by the shrimp fleets. So why the heck Chinese will have to give up shark fin soup when the west can fish all they want & enjoy their delicacies. Asians often eat things westerners don't care a dime. Stop pushing us around what we can or cannot eat.

I personally don't even get to have shark fin soup once a year. It is only when you go to wedding banquet or so that you get to taste it. So it is not a big deal for me personnally to do without it. It is the idea that the extremist groups of the west pushing their extremist agenda on our culture that I object. Time has changed. China is not a push-over country like 100 years ago. Better take care your own turf before you step on ours.  It is about time the West stop pushing their agenda on the East. Banning our ceremonial soup is an assault on our cultural practice. Can China ask the West to stop eating turkey for Easter? Can we even ask Canada to stop salmon farming, or excessive logging? These things continue to contribute degrading of the environment and endangering wild salmons. So these are not important issues and eating shark fin soups are? So much so that even our MPs, MLAs and city governments are wasting our tax money on it while they should be banging their heads on stopping all things which hurt the salmon. Go figure. I guess anti-shark-fin-soup is currently politically correct that politicians line up in drones for it.

I rest my case now. Further debate is meaningless. It all depends on where you stand. If you don't like the soup or it is not your cultural practice for eons of time, or if you buy the extremist groups' message, I can understand your position. While there are some Chinese or Asians are for banning the soup, the majority want their soup to stay. Most Chinese are upset that Gwai Lo are pushing their agendas down their throats while the west do so much environmental damages in the past & on going. It is unfair. I am with the majority of our culture. That is all I can say and no more comments forthcoming from me on this issue.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on December 30, 2011, 03:10:33 AM
I must have just read the most ridiculous post on the forum since it was established. Unbelievable that people hold this belief.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on December 30, 2011, 07:27:02 AM
Dr Phil's seven step approach is probably the best defense/offense on overcoming the lure of the sharkfin soup.

http://drphil.com/articles/article/173
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 31, 2011, 07:02:21 PM
I must have just read the most ridiculous post on the forum since it was established. Unbelievable that this level of stupidity still exists.

If you intend to get personal, fine. If we disagree on where we stand, and then resort to personal attack, then what is the point of having a public forum to debate things. You may as well close these forums.  I say what I feel is behind the shark-fin soup phenomenon, like it or not. At least I am not a 'traitor' of my own culture. So after shark fin, what next? Ban all live seafood tanks in the Chinese super markets because it doesn't measure up to some westerners' idea of animal treatment? How about banning the eating of guts because it doesn't fit food safety standards? >:(
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Schenley on December 31, 2011, 07:29:44 PM
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That is all I can say and no more comments forthcoming from me on this issue.

Too bad you didnt heed what you wrote before.


Calling Rodney a traitor to his culture just re-enforces your stupidity...
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 31, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
Too bad you didnt heed what you wrote before.


Calling Rodney a traitor to his culture just re-enforces your stupidity...

I was calling a stop to posting on the soup because we are repeating the same points. But Rodney came back with a personal insult of the utmost kind without any attempt to debate point by point. Why? Just because he is the mod here so he can make such insulting post? If he were a poster like you and me, such tone or language may not be tolerated. I believe he owes an apology. I am coming back to post because of the insulting attack on my attempt to protect our cultural heritage (at least in large part of China) to have the soup for important ceremonies, much like you folks in the West eating turkey for festivities.

We have to be civil in our debate forum. If the mod set such example, how can we blame anyone from jumping on posters' mistakes or different points of view with name calling or insulting terms. Sorry I didn't say he is a traitor. You said it. I don't consider him a traitor, because he happens to be educated and lived most of his life outside of China/Taiwan. Particularly with his field of study, I can understand he will identify more with the scientists out there. Who is he anyway outside of this forum? Whatever he believes is his own personal belief, and this forum is too small an influence outside of the fishing readership. Actually, the person a lot of us cultural Chinese in HK consider a 'traitor' of sort is a famous NBA athlete, who was considered a national hero of sort, and probably still is. But his image is greatly tarnished in the mind of cultural Chinese at large due to his joining with the extremist movement against the soup. He is not from southern China, so not sure if he eats the soup or not. But while he profits handsomely from his Chinese root (in huge Chinese endorsement), he joined the extremist movement & became a spokesman of sort, without truly understanding the kind of folks behind the movement. I remembered in the several banquets I attended in HK, everyone was blaming this guy and the gwai lo trying to force their view on us.

Sorry to say, some of these animal rights folks have terrorist inclination. You think I invent the story that the anti-soup groups consider the tragedy of the Japanese tsunami a karma for their killing the shark, and implying that they deserve their fate? Try google it and see how many you can find, or read this author who tries to counter the view:
 http://www.alexhofford.com/node/2378

These fanatics, having done the damage to the Inuit's seal hunt, and spraying paint on people's fur coat, are now focussing their hate on China town and any one daring to oppose their anti-shark-fin stance. This is just one of the hate cases on it. Will we see poisons, bombs & what-have-u in our China towns or any Chinese businesses? What's next if this anti movement is pushed to fanatical level by our own MPs & government?:
 http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/02/hate-crimes-unit-called-in-after-purported-animal-rights-group-threatens-to-poison-food-in-chinatown/

Do you Chinese want to see the day when you don't feel secured in any places where Chinese frequented, when anti-Chinese sentiment is fermented vehemently by the anti-shark-fin movement? I don't think I want to see that day. To have our MPs legitimizing such sentiment directly & indirectly is a total waste of my tax money, and at least I can protest their involvement in this. We have more urgent tasks to protect our own environment and our wild salmon. Deal with that first and what is wrong with my opinion? Why is that stupid?

Am I alone in thinking the west is being hypocritical about imposing ban on our cultural dish while they can enjoy caviar, tuna, & Japanese whales? Read this:
 http://necescity.com/dining/item/1449-shark-fin-soup-%E2%80%93-a-battle-for-hegemony-between-east-west?.html

This report in Taiwan shows that majority of cultural Chinese want their soup despite the utmost media blize started by the other side, as most major hotels still serve the dish. However, the ending part of the report shows there is the tendency to bring the whole shark back for use instead of dumping over the sea to satisfy the so called wastage factor in the attack (which I consider hypocritical comparing how much wastage in shrimp fleet). The industry will comply to more regulation, perhaps even a quota. That is the way to go. Not banning the dish is an encroachment to our culture. Read:
 http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2011/11/27/2003519318

Again, I am for countries engaging in meaningful negotiations on regulating the shark harvest industry, both in method & number. Banning shark fin without exhausting such process is an assault on our culture, when more endangered species are still being harvested in the west or Japan, and when more wasteful fishing methods like shrimp trawling & drift nets are not stopped. I am proud to stand & defend our cultural heritage. If that is considered utmost stupidity by another Chinese, I have no respect for such person and no apology forthcoming. If my points are not acceptable, debate it. Considering that negative ads are all over the media in the State in their presidential bid, where folks are giving reasons to back up their points against your opponents, I am doing mine against those extremist groups who try to encroach on our culture like they try to do it to the Inuit. If that is stupidity, so be it. If defending Chinese pride after it had been hammered for years is considered stupid, so be it.

Have a Happy New Year folks.



Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Nina on January 01, 2012, 01:14:07 AM
Stop using ‘cultural heritage’ as an excuse. Lots of dumb stuff goes on around the world because of it. Cultures have always evolved and will continue to evolve – hopefully for the better.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on January 01, 2012, 02:39:18 AM
There was nothing personal about my post. I don't know who you are beside your handle on the forum. You may think it's personal because I'm pretty open on who I am, what I do in public. Those arguments were so ridiculous that I am not going to invest the time to demonstrate why they are so, I'd feel that my intelligence is insulted. Yes, it's disrespectful to your views, but I have no respect for deliberate ignorance used by individuals who feel their self entitlement is more important than their impacts on this planet.

"Traitor"... Thanks for the laugh. ;D Here's the difference between you and me. You think shark fin soup is a race issue, I don't.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Sandy on January 01, 2012, 11:28:26 AM
Stop using ‘cultural heritage’ as an excuse. Lots of dumb stuff goes on around the world because of it. Cultures have always evolved and will continue to evolve – hopefully for the better.

yup and well said: pretty evident that stupidity crosses all race and cultural barriers.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: DragonSpeed on January 01, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
EVERYONE - Please....

As the "non-drugged-up" moderator in this forum I'd like to say a few things to ALL:

Attack the points, the ideas, the philosophy, but DO NOT ATTACK the poster.  Remember, internally you may think a guy is a moron, or what-have-you, but keep moral high ground, do not stoop to personal level attacks.... it drags us down into the mud and we all know how hard it is to fish when you're mired in the mud.

Happy New Year all! Group Hug? :D

BTW, some of the Buddhist Vegetarian restaurants make some excellent imitation shark fin soup....  For those that CRAVE the texture.  ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: itosh on January 01, 2012, 05:23:50 PM
I've heard that bears, both black and grizzly, have also killed and eaten humans.  And I'm sure it wasn't done in a merciful fashion.  Using that 3rd world way of thinking, we should be killing the bears and cutting off the paws and taking the gall bladder and selling it to China.  We can just discard the rest of the bear in the bush because it will decompose and add nutrients to the soil as well as feed a plethora of scavengers.

Also, not condoning the tuna fishery or whaling, but I'm pretty sure that at least 90% of the kill is eaten.  Afterall, it is the meat that is eaten.  In the case of tuna, even the head is consumed on occasion (Google "kabutoyaki").  Pretty much the exact opposite of the Shark Fin industry.

Shane
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on January 06, 2012, 05:25:47 PM
Thanks Dragonspeed. You are a gentlement and a sensible moderator. In any debates, both sides must have different opinions. It is important to respect other's reasoning becuase it is his/her reasoning from his/her background/educastion. It makes sense to him/her. This world is full of hate due to intolerance of differing opinions. We see that in religions, in politics, in everything. We need to learn to respect each other's opinions without resorting to emotional outbursts & violence. Debate and give your points. Let others who read it decide what they believe or not believe. Among us Chinese governments, we see differences in such intolerance. In a political setting, you can be exiled or killed if you don't agree with your political opponents in China. In Taiwan, chairs & objects will be tossed to each other with personal insults, and in Hong Kong, legislature members just voice their opinions and protest mildly, much like Canada. So perhaps the latter model is a better way to follow here. I appreicate the mod will delete insulting comments directed to posters personally out of emotion. I disagree that posters can be insulted or treated without politeness because they have no face. There is a human soul behind each poster name. So treat it with more dignity than a shark.  ;)

Well, New Year is such a festivity. It was good to forget about these hateful debates for a few days. This is my argument on one of the accusations of the anti-soupers:

Accusation - Chinese are wasteful to just eat the fin but not the shark, so no shark fin to you Chinese. Really? Are you kidding me? Think again  - Chinese as a race has endured numerous famines in history. They treasure every bit of edible parts. The argument from western extremists that Chinese are wasteful to just eat the fin and dump the shark is a plain stupid argument, and only stupid people, particularly stupid Chinese will side with such accusation.Why? In Chicken, fish, cattle, pig, any animal foods, Chinese eat their heads, tails, claws, guts, bones, organs & what have you. The west only eat the best meaty parts - steak, breast, ribs, and dump the rest. What a waste (to us cultural Chinese). When a fish dish is served in a Chinese dinner table, it is eaten down to the bones. Even the gelatinous stuff among fins are sucked clean, the head & tail chewed up. Some of my Chinese fishing friends will wait at the fish cleaning stations of mariners such to collect all the 'waste' that other don't see fit to eat, the heads, tails, guts, even the 'fat' belly meats are sometimes discarded but treasured by us Asians. So why the heck the west have the moral superiority high ground to attack the Chinese as being wasteful in eating shark fin only. They say you Chinese eat the whole shark? How about Chinese drop the left over shark to any western restaurant for free and let them serve to their clients if that pleases them. Chinese is a hungry race in the past but not dumb. History have told them that stuff except the fins is poisonous, and mercury poisoning in the old days mean sure death. If must have killed many of them before they realize which parts are edible. If the west does not want to eat guts, organs, bones, heads (shamelessly killing the animals and not eating all its edible parts), and now turn around to tell the Chinese to eat the whole mercury-laden shark as a price to justify their accusation, knowing that stuff will kill their fellow human beings, I don't know what moral ground they are on. Perhaps nothing but western cultural arrogance - I must be right,  and you in the developeing worlds are wrong.  

Shark harvest should be regulated and method of harvest/finning be done humanely. It should be regulated like blue fin tuna, cod, whales etc. to sustainable level. But a ban on an individual rights to enjoy their cultural dish is an assault on our culture. It is a movement by the animal rights extremists, PETA, etc. who love to shut down fishing too for us. I am sure they will get their way some day using the cruelty argument. Good luck.  Have a good day.

Title: Re: Be fair
Post by: liketofish on January 06, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Be fair to our human race - hey, just be fair. To some of you PETA inclined thinking folks (I am not naming names), why so keen on attacking me on my post. I proviide links on articles on the ridiculous karma thinking by those animal rights guys, the extremists. Have you read them? Why so slient on such rediculous thing? Are you agreeing with them that the tragedy of the Japanese tsunami is a karma to killing sharks. It is chilling that we homo sapients can be so 'twisted' in this cruel thinking about our own kind. Is human life really nothing compared to animal. I literally have read PETA posters say the Japanese who kill sharks deserve their tragic fate. No wonder none of these animal rights folks have any concern or will do media bliz on millions of unborn, defenseless, voiceless human fetes (we are animals too) sucked, broken, fragmented cruelly out of the wombs while they swarm to protect a stranded seal, whale or shark and perhaps spending on helicopter airlifts sometimes by conservationists.  ???
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: lucky on January 08, 2012, 09:10:08 AM
liketofish your posts are laden with arrogance and ignorance.  I'm curious,  do you consider yourself a Chinese Canadian or are you just another Chinese living in Canada?  Wondering if you also feel the same entitlements about consuming tiger penis and other endangered animal parts?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on January 08, 2012, 10:53:00 PM
Another personal attack without any substantiation. Just because others don't agree with you? Who is the arrogant party here? Present the points and support them well before you make blanket biased accusation. I am asking any one to comment why it is ok for the anti-shark-fin groups to consider the 20,000 Japanese tsunami victims as a karma for fishing for sharks. So we are all killing salmons and edible fish here, are you prepared to take comments like that from organizations like PETA if we get hit by an earthquake/tsunami here with massive deaths because they think we killed millons of salmon every year here?

I make no attack on others until they attack me. Arrogant people think they know it all and consider others stupid without attempting to debate. So please debate by points where I show arrogance and where I show ignorance. I am university educated. Yes I watched HD programming on Oasis & Discovery channels and I heard all the arguments put out by the anti-shark folks right from the beginning of the movement when Cousteau's son (I think called Philippe) was on the fore front to criticize the soup, as well as many shark-dive operators. I agree with them there needs to have conservation on shark hunt. There needs to be treaties & mechanism of verificatiion.  I just don't agree on the method by shutting down the choices and voices of us Chinese folks living in Canada or overseas under different western jurisdictions when the west are eating their own more endangered animals than sharks and engaged in more environment destructive means of fishing or raising fish like fish farm, drift nets, shrimp trawlling, to name a few.

I lived in China & HK 25 years. But I lived in Canada for over 30 years. In HK I have seen western arrogance in the old days when they labelled places with sign which read 'Chinese and dogs not allowed!'. In Canada, most folks are great and open minded. But I have seen many cases when the ugly faces of racism were shown towards Chinese or Asians in general by some people. Despite that, I love Canada, but I also love & respect the cultural heritage I came from. I am not ashamed to be a proud Canadian Chinese. That doesn't mean I am in agreement with the politicians in all they do. Who else are? Are you? Politicians have no business to join forces with animal rights groups. Just because they don't eat the soup doesn't give them the rights to take away the freedom of choices of the Chinese people living in this country. It is actually arrogance displayed by these folks in overriding Chinese's freedom of choice. Chinese here can make the choice to eat the soup or not. Let them decide after listening to all arguments. If the majority of Chinese don't want to eat that soup, no one will see the need to import it. To override that freedom of choice is arrogance of the western politicians. Try do that to the other cultures who are more vocal & would likely cause violence or civil unrest, see what happen. They can't force their will on the natives. They can't force their will on how other cultures do with their clothing or head dress as the muslim & Indo canadians will shout back. But Chinese in general are passive politically. There are not that many Chinese MPs or MLAs, or mayors/city councillors in proportion to the Chinese population here. And Chinese in general mind their own business and do not want to fight government authority. In Cantonese at least, we have a saying, "don't hold government office when you are alive, and don't enter hell when you die". Bad advice there. This is why Chinese is so submissive to government in general and even to bosses over them. Chinese unions can do nothing like western unions. They ne want to challenge their bullies much.

I am stating the West is stomping on our culture by banning our ceremonial cultural dish. The movement was engineered by animal rights groups aided by conservationists. They have done this to the Inuit people with the seal hunt causing total disruption to their way of life for eon of time. Now the seal population explodes and they are eating up the cod stock and our salmon stock. I have never seen so many seals in the Vedder, not in the canal only. Some even make it up to Ranger run. I hate to see humans become sushi material for the sharks if their population explodes too. I have seen some documentaries showing reef sharks hunting in wolf pack at night. They don't just eat skates. They chew up everything inside cracks and holes. No parrot fish or groupers stand a chance if they get invaded. All the 'top predator' talk benefitting the reef. Have any official scientific studies been done by non-biased ocean scientists with control experiments on these. Even if it is true that there will be more skates & octopuses around with less sharks and they eat up the lobsters and shell fish, so what? The west don't eat skates, but Asians love it, not just Chinese alone. You see skates in most Asian seafood markets in Asia but you won't see shark because shark body is mercury laden and Asians are not dumb to risk mercury poisoning.

Arrogance are people who make personal insulting statement without attempting any debate. Ignorance? The animal rights people consider any body who oppose their statement as stupid & ignorant. There is no debate that sharks, like most seafood man prey on are declining. Regulation is needed in all cases for all animals to maintain substainable harvest. Not total banning which is an arrogant attack on our cultural heritage. Blue fin tuna has a lot less population than shark and they will not eat humans if over-populated. Every large tuna taken is celebrated (like the one just on the news). Yet I consider another rare big spawner taken out of that rare stock. I am sad for the blue fins and I won't order it even I like sushi a lot. Sharks are a lot more numerous & spread out than blue fin, as well sturgeon. Yet there is no attempt by the west or the animal right groups to ban the sales of either these two fish or their by-product (like caviar). This is plain hypocrisy and arrogance. I can eat what I like, you can't. That is arrogance.

I welcome debating with points and any further personal attack without substantiation or making an attempt to debate by point will not be answered. I am actually wasting my time here. This is just too small a venue to debate & battle with the soup banning movement on the Chinese culture. Thank you folks for the time to read my posts anyway.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on January 09, 2012, 01:13:43 AM
Wasnt binding womens feet part of your culture too...but that has stopped...why??
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: itosh on January 16, 2012, 10:39:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkoPQwYL9ys&sns=fb

 ::) ::) ::)
I wonder if liketofish also buys products made out of rhino horns for its "medicinal powers" because, lets face it, its part of his culture.  And who are we to tell him and the Chinese population what not to do because China is not a poor 3rd world country anymore (its just a rich 3rd world country).
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on January 17, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
Think it's time to let this thread (and the shark fishery) die a natural death. Canada and many other countries already ban the trade in hundreds of plant and animal species for very good conservation reasons. I've never seen so many silly rationalizations for an unregulated and unsustainable fishery.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on January 23, 2012, 05:58:45 AM
Wasnt binding womens feet part of your culture too...but that has stopped...why??

Actually the binding of feet is not part of the "han" culture. It was implimented by the manchu when they ruled during the Qing Dynasty. So if you were born after around 1912 you were safe of this practice.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on January 25, 2012, 11:39:29 PM
I've heard that bears, both black and grizzly, have also killed and eaten humans.  And I'm sure it wasn't done in a merciful fashion.  Using that 3rd world way of thinking, we should be killing the bears and cutting off the paws and taking the gall bladder and selling it to China.  We can just discard the rest of the bear in the bush because it will decompose and add nutrients to the soil as well as feed a plethora of scavengers.

Also, not condoning the tuna fishery or whaling, but I'm pretty sure that at least 90% of the kill is eaten.  Afterall, it is the meat that is eaten.  In the case of tuna, even the head is consumed on occasion (Google "kabutoyaki").  Pretty much the exact opposite of the Shark Fin industry.

Shane

Doesn't matter how many % is eaten, Dolphins/whales should not be slaughtered period. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but i'd rather swim with a dolphin than with a shark. People in Japan and Denmark should be ashamed that they even developed such characteristics in their culture. In China, people developed the habit of eating dogs because food was scarce back in the days and you could only get limited access to meat. A lot of people are actually against eating dogs now since livelihood in China has improved in the last 20 years and people now have the luxury of having pets. What is Japan and Denmark's excuse? I'm pretty sure Japan has been doing pretty well before they got nuked and soon after, so what is their excuse? Speaking of Karma, i'm sure the whales/dolphins weren't too upset about the Earthquake in Japan.


China has many flaws, and one of them is consuming exotic goods but it's only a small percentage being able to consume these because last time I checked most people can't afford these goods. Either way we need to find these people and punish them appropriately  (death sentence sounds good to me).

SAVE THE DOLPHINS!!!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on February 21, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
No I don't use herbal medicine much. I am not some one closed minded. Perhaps you are. I am open to reasons. There are lots more sharks than rhino. Most Chinese I know don't use rhino for medicine, or eat bear/tiger gall or use bear palm,worms, or monkey brains. Perhaps they are used by an extremely small sample of the cuture. These stuffs are invented by Chinese haters or anti-Chinese media, an overblown propaganda against our culture. If you think any westerners will eat the stuffs you see in 'Fear Factor', go give you silly head a shake.

Sharks are now endangering sea otters (and probably lots more other sea life not reported).  Read this:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1461989705001/sharks-killing-sea-otters-in-larger-numbers/?playlist_id=87937&intcmp=obinsite

Yes, the attacks on humans have also doubled: (didn't they say sharks are getting more endangered? Less sharks but more attacks on humans - some good science model)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/08/global-shark-attacks-up-in-2011-none-were-in-us/

If they think sea otters are in trouble with too many sharks eating them now, wait till sharks are enjoying a 'no touch' status by silly humans. What happen if every year the hundred of millions of sharks are spared by the 'silly philosophy' of some extremists and free to roam to devour everything on their path? Think about this if you have some conscience, or compassion for other species sharks eat, including us humans, yes, some of your fellow humans (if they mean anything to you).

One of the biggest reason I oppose this anti-soup movement is because it is engineered by animal rights groups, PETA etc. Of course with their manipulated images of cruelty shots and warning of species survival, many join in with them, just like the seal movement. But their appraoch and their thinking can be scary. They will be in your face too if public sentiment shift to banning fishing, as fishers are considered cruel to animals. Some even think if you harm animals, you don't deserve to live. Imagine a world dominated by these people in government. Everybody will be a vegetarian without choice. That they can 'hate' other humans who are just harvesting from the ocean for foods, that they should deserve to die in the tsunami in Japan, all 20,000+ of treasured human lives, it totally beats me. If you want to join them in their crusade against our cultural dish, be it.  Not me. I am for regulating the shark industry, not totally banning it. Sharks can do untold damage to other species too if allowed to roam the oceans without predators. It is not as simple as admiring a magnificient animal in nature. All life forms are connected by some ways by mutual predation. None should be exempted totally. Who predates us humans now? Wars, diseases (seen like we have so many), murders, accidents, and yes, large man eating animals if you happen to be in their path defenseless.

Compared to these 'unhuman' beings in these hate groups, I rather want to belong to those people who are compassionate to their fellow suffering humans, as seen here in this video
 THANK YOU FROM JAPAN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SS-sWdAQsYg&vq=medium

Let's applaud these noble selfless heroes and heroines, coming to the rescue of Japan. It is heart-warming to watch the video as compared to those by the animals group. It gives us faith in our human race.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on February 29, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
NOT TRYING TO STIR THE SOUP POT  :)



Anti-shark fin soup campaigner up for award
 Claudia Li, who founded Shark Truth, is nominated in GLOBE Foundation's Next Gen category
 By Tracy Sherlock, Vancouver SunFebruary 29, 2012
 
 Claudia Li, the founder of Shark Truth, is campaigning against shark fin soup, and wants to promote a safe and healthy planet.
Photograph by: Gerry Kahrmann, PNG Files, Vancouver SunA first generation Chinese-Canadian woman who campaigns against shark fin soup is nominated for a 2012 GLOBE Foundation award.

Claudia Li, 25, grew up in a traditional family that ate shark fin soup on many special occasions, as it was seen as both a status symbol and a show of generosity. In 2009, Li founded the Vancouver non-profit organization Shark Truth to stop the hunting of sharks for shark fin soup, and because she wanted to keep the legacy of her heritage alive, she said.

"Because our parents were immigrants, we saw how hard they worked for us," Li said. "Now that we're adults we have the responsibility to carry on that legacy for our children, so that they have a safe and healthy planet to live on."

Li said she encourages people to make a donation to a non-profit or environ-mental organization as a better way to show their generosity. Li is nominated for the Next Gen Entrepreneur Award, one of seven 2012 GLOBE Foundation awards for Canadian companies that have merged their daily business practices with environmental stewardship.

"I'm very honoured to be nominated for the GLOBE award because it show-cases the diversity of leadership. I am a young, Chinese female, and you don't see that very often in this type of work," Li said. Other notable Vancouver nominees include the University of British Columbia's Centre for Interactive Research on Sustainability and their Bioenergy Research and Demonstration Project, the City of Vancouver and London Drugs. For a full list of nominees in all categories visit www.the globeawards.ca/finalists. The awards will be presented March 16 at the closing luncheon for GLOBE 2012, the international conference and trade fair on the business of the environment being held in Vancouver March 14 to 16. For ticket information visit tickets. theglobeawards.ca.

tsherlock@vancouversun.com Blog: vancouversun.com/yourmoney For a full list of nominees go to vancouversun.com/business

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on March 02, 2012, 11:33:02 PM
No I don't use herbal medicine much. I am not some one closed minded. Perhaps you are. I am open to reasons. There are lots more sharks than rhino. Most Chinese I know don't use rhino for medicine, or eat bear/tiger gall or use bear palm,worms, or monkey brains. Perhaps they are used by an extremely small sample of the cuture. These stuffs are invented by Chinese haters or anti-Chinese media, an overblown propaganda against our culture. If you think any westerners will eat the stuffs you see in 'Fear Factor', go give you silly head a shake.

Sharks are now endangering sea otters (and probably lots more other sea life not reported).  Read this:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1461989705001/sharks-killing-sea-otters-in-larger-numbers/?playlist_id=87937&intcmp=obinsite

Yes, the attacks on humans have also doubled: (didn't they say sharks are getting more endangered? Less sharks but more attacks on humans - some good science model)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/08/global-shark-attacks-up-in-2011-none-were-in-us/

If they think sea otters are in trouble with too many sharks eating them now, wait till sharks are enjoying a 'no touch' status by silly humans. What happen if every year the hundred of millions of sharks are spared by the 'silly philosophy' of some extremists and free to roam to devour everything on their path? Think about this if you have some conscience, or compassion for other species sharks eat, including us humans, yes, some of your fellow humans (if they mean anything to you).

One of the biggest reason I oppose this anti-soup movement is because it is engineered by animal rights groups, PETA etc. Of course with their manipulated images of cruelty shots and warning of species survival, many join in with them, just like the seal movement. But their appraoch and their thinking can be scary. They will be in your face too if public sentiment shift to banning fishing, as fishers are considered cruel to animals. Some even think if you harm animals, you don't deserve to live. Imagine a world dominated by these people in government. Everybody will be a vegetarian without choice. That they can 'hate' other humans who are just harvesting from the ocean for foods, that they should deserve to die in the tsunami in Japan, all 20,000+ of treasured human lives, it totally beats me. If you want to join them in their crusade against our cultural dish, be it.  Not me. I am for regulating the shark industry, not totally banning it. Sharks can do untold damage to other species too if allowed to roam the oceans without predators. It is not as simple as admiring a magnificient animal in nature. All life forms are connected by some ways by mutual predation. None should be exempted totally. Who predates us humans now? Wars, diseases (seen like we have so many), murders, accidents, and yes, large man eating animals if you happen to be in their path defenseless.

Compared to these 'unhuman' beings in these hate groups, I rather want to belong to those people who are compassionate to their fellow suffering humans, as seen here in this video
 THANK YOU FROM JAPAN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=SS-sWdAQsYg&vq=medium

Let's applaud these noble selfless heroes and heroines, coming to the rescue of Japan. It is heart-warming to watch the video as compared to those by the animals group. It gives us faith in our human race.


Id like some of what youre smokin..... ;D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: pwn50m3 f15h3r on April 29, 2012, 06:00:59 PM
My parents said that sharkfin soup will cure my asthma... but the disease has gotten worse!
If I were to have sharkfin soup, I would use dogfish.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on June 29, 2012, 12:53:39 AM
http://www.surreyleader.com/news/160769665.html

:)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on August 14, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
http://www.globaltvbc.com/nanaimo+latest+bc+municipality+to+ban+shark+fin/6442697303/story.html

Vancouver Richmond next. ; :D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on August 14, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
http://www.globaltvbc.com/nanaimo+latest+bc+municipality+to+ban+shark+fin/6442697303/story.html

Vancouver Richmond next. ; :D


Like you, wish it was open penned farmed salmon that were on the poop list  ;D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Blue_Fox on September 02, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
Shark fin soup served in North American Chinese restaurants, including in the Lower Mainland is really blah!  Most of the Chinese restaurants use imitation shark fins. Even the real shark fin soup served in restaurants don't really give me much interest! Almost all of these restaurants have a thick soup base with tiny amount of short strands of shark fin and they charge customers high prices for it.  

I had shark fin soup in China only once at one of the very top seafood restaurants. Surprisingly, it was the best tasting soup I've ever had in my life. The soup itself had hundreds of long strands of shark fin from a very large shark. The soup was thick, only because it was filled with massive amounts of strands of fins like noodles. It was like a noodle soup, but the noodles were all shark fins. It was the most memorable food dish I've had in my life.  

Sharkfin soup is a cultural dish for centuries and it shouldn't really be banned. Back in the past, those who caught sharks used of whole thing, and they just happened to use the fins as food.

It's only just recently that sharks have been harvested wastefully by fisherman worldwide. Majority of sharks caught for shark fins have levels of mercury content therefore no one wants to buy shark meat.

If people want change, educate and target the fisherman and the government of the nations of the fishermen, not the consumers of shark fins.

There are far more serious issues such as bluefin tuna which is critically endangered, yet the Harper government and Japanese goverment and European countries such as France, Italy and Spain chose not to ban bluefin tuna fishing at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). The Harper government cares more about the employment of East Coast Canadian commercial fishermen more than anything else.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: zabber on September 03, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
wait till sharks are enjoying a 'no touch' status by silly humans. What happen if every year the hundred of millions of sharks are spared by the 'silly philosophy' of some extremists and free to

Pretty sure whales fish dolphins and sharks have co-existed for millenia... they hunt to live. Theyre not deranged killing machines  ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on September 04, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
I had shark fin soup in China only once at one of the very top seafood restaurants. Surprisingly, it was the best tasting soup I've ever had in my life. The soup itself had hundreds of long strands of shark fin from a very large shark. The soup was thick, only because it was filled with massive amounts of strands of fins like noodles. It was like a noodle soup, but the noodles were all shark fins. It was the most memorable food dish I've had in my life.
 
I find it hard to believe that that's the most delicious dish you've ever had in your life...shark's fin has no flavour...it's just protein collagen fibers in chicken soup....try their chicken noodle soup next time.

Sharkfin soup is a cultural dish for centuries and it shouldn't really be banned.
Head hunting, slavery, rhino horns, female circumcision, duelling, shark finning........just another "cultural tradition" that no longer has a place in modern society.

If people want change, educate and target the fisherman and the government of the nations of the fishermen, not the consumers of shark fins.
It's all of the above....but the consumer is still king.

There are far more serious issues such as bluefin tuna which is critically endangered, yet the Harper government and Japanese goverment and European countries such as France, Italy and Spain chose not to ban bluefin tuna fishing at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). The Harper government cares more about the employment of East Coast Canadian commercial fishermen more than anything else.

Any unregulated or poorly regulated fisheries that can't harvest species sustainably need to be suppressed, including the unregulated shark fin fisheries that are the problem.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on September 06, 2012, 11:46:18 AM
Another victory....http://www.globaltvbc.com/cathay+pacific+to+stop+carrying+shark+fins+as+cargo/6442709849/story.html (http://www.globaltvbc.com/cathay+pacific+to+stop+carrying+shark+fins+as+cargo/6442709849/story.html)     ;D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: shuswapsteve on September 06, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
 
I find it hard to believe that that's the most delicious dish you've ever had in your life...shark's fin has no flavour...it's just protein collagen fibers in chicken soup....try their chicken noodle soup next time.
Head hunting, slavery, rhino horns, female circumcision, duelling, shark finning........just another "cultural tradition" that no longer has a place in modern society.
It's all of the above....but the consumer is still king.
 
Any unregulated or poorly regulated fisheries that can't harvest species sustainably need to be suppressed, including the unregulated shark fin fisheries that are the problem.

X2

You could have also mentioned some of the things from the Bible.  Lets keep following some of those traditions also...lol.
http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/laws.htm

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: dnibbles on September 06, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
You're going to hell Steve. Good luck sidestepping St Peter.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 24, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
Shark fin soup served in North American Chinese restaurants, including in the Lower Mainland is really blah!  Most of the Chinese restaurants use imitation shark fins. Even the real shark fin soup served in restaurants don't really give me much interest! Almost all of these restaurants have a thick soup base with tiny amount of short strands of shark fin and they charge customers high prices for it.  

I had shark fin soup in China only once at one of the very top seafood restaurants. Surprisingly, it was the best tasting soup I've ever had in my life. The soup itself had hundreds of long strands of shark fin from a very large shark. The soup was thick, only because it was filled with massive amounts of strands of fins like noodles. It was like a noodle soup, but the noodles were all shark fins. It was the most memorable food dish I've had in my life.  

Sharkfin soup is a cultural dish for centuries and it shouldn't really be banned. Back in the past, those who caught sharks used of whole thing, and they just happened to use the fins as food.

It's only just recently that sharks have been harvested wastefully by fisherman worldwide. Majority of sharks caught for shark fins have levels of mercury content therefore no one wants to buy shark meat.

If people want change, educate and target the fisherman and the government of the nations of the fishermen, not the consumers of shark fins.

There are far more serious issues such as bluefin tuna which is critically endangered, yet the Harper government and Japanese goverment and European countries such as France, Italy and Spain chose not to ban bluefin tuna fishing at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). The Harper government cares more about the employment of East Coast Canadian commercial fishermen more than anything else.

Not sure which restaurants you tried in the lower mainland but 41st and Granville has a great Shark Fin restaurant! They cook the fin in a cloth bag so it maintains its shape when they serve it. I totally agree that Shark meat probably contain high levels of heavy metals considering they are pretty high up in the food chain.

In regards to your comment about educating fishermen and their governments. It will probably be impossible for us to make them realize the importance of Sharks when they are in poverty. Governemnts are corrupt and the fishermen could care less about anything else except their own livelihoods. We should feel lucky that we live in Canada and so many people have extra time on their hand to waste to protest about saving sharks. Wish these peoplle would spend their time more wisely and protest against something that is actually productive. Example: oil sands in Alberta and the pipelines being constructed in BC. Canada's population is around 30 million people, and out of the 30 million i wonder how many people actually consume shark fin ? So all this banning and you probably just eliminated less than 1% of overal consumption considering China's population is around 1.3 billion people.

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on September 24, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
As stated before cant wait til its finally banned here in Vancouver.....and the rest of Canada.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 26, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
As stated before cant wait til its finally banned here in Vancouver.....and the rest of Canada.

Great idea! hurt our restaurant businesses in Vancover so people who do want to eat it can drive to the states or travel to asia to promote their economy!

Honestly might as well limit sport fishing to maximum 1 month a year! This way the fish will only have to deal with the commercial + native fisheries.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on September 27, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
Great idea! hurt our restaurant businesses in Vancover so people who do want to eat it can drive to the states or travel to asia to promote their economy!

Honestly might as well limit sport fishing to maximum 1 month a year! This way the fish will only have to deal with the commercial + native fisheries.


Dont let the door hit ya on the way out.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
The financial suffering of Chinese restaurants in Richmond is already so evident as you drive down No. 3 Road. ::)

The pathetic excuse that people come up with to satisfy their taste buds, how about grow a spine and say it like it is?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 27, 2012, 02:26:18 PM

Dont let the door hit ya on the way out.

Thanks for your concern, but luckily for me my strata council has installed automatic doors in my building so accidents like that wont happen! Dont slip on the rocks while fishing... that on the other hand could end up in a mess!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 27, 2012, 02:51:40 PM

I'm pretty sure not all the restaurants in Richmond have Shark Fin soup on their menu. And the restaurant business is very competative in Richmond so if the recession worsen, there is a high chance less people will go out to eat (since less income = less money to spend). So sarcastic comments about all the restaurants in Richmond is not valid at all. Bigger restaurant chains like Kirin, Sun Siu Wah, etc all depend heavily on weddings and celebrations (usually serves Shark Fin during these type of occasions). It is also those restaurants that also hires tons of people. Less income = less employment = you do the math!

No wonder we are going into a recession with so many "idle" people sitting around that have nothing better to do except for protest against Shark Fin soup. Is there honestly nothing better to protest about? Last time I checked the oil pipes coming from Alberta is probably going to cause tons of environmental damage. Wouldn't protesting about that be a better idea?

Honestly people who practice sport fishing dont really have much to complain about the ethics behind killing sharks for their fins. People who do kill the sharks do it so they can put food on the table for their family. You go fishing to fight a fish for minutes sometimes even hours in some extremes, just so you can satisfy your urge to "fight" a fish, in other words to satisfy your selfish needs you tire a fish out which lowers their chance of survival. There is no argument that a fish will survive longer/better if they aren't exposed to sport fishermen!

Shark Fin consumption in Canada is probably 1% of the entire consumption, so good luck fixing the problem by banning it in Canada while countries like the USA and China still consume it without any regulation. I would assume that Hong Kong itself would add up to more than the total consumption of Shark Fin in Canada.

Then again people from those countries are usually busy working, it's only countries like Canada that people have nothing to do. Dont hate on something like Shark Fin just because "people" spend all week fishing and not working (less work = less income= can't afford Shark Fin soup). Or shame on you if protesting something like Shark Fin Soup makes you feel more "important" in society because the more competant people are doing something else more productive!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 27, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
Another victory....http://www.globaltvbc.com/cathay+pacific+to+stop+carrying+shark+fins+as+cargo/6442709849/story.html (http://www.globaltvbc.com/cathay+pacific+to+stop+carrying+shark+fins+as+cargo/6442709849/story.html)     ;D

You mean another victory for other airlines that do ship it ?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2012, 03:02:37 PM
Great idea! hurt our restaurant businesses in Vancover so people who do want to eat it can drive to the states or travel to asia to promote their economy!

Do you really believe that people will stop eating in Vancouver and instead travel to other countries solely to eat shark fin soup on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2012, 03:05:25 PM
Tex, I think I've told you before, don't argue with logic.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 27, 2012, 03:10:56 PM
Do you really believe that people will stop eating in Vancouver and instead travel to other countries solely to eat shark fin soup on a regular basis?

No i dont, but if it is banned in Vancouver, when people do travel they are more likely to try it (if they have a thing for Shark Fin Soup). But i can bet that if all of Canada (30 million people) stop eating shark fin soup, it wont make any impact on saving the Sharks.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2012, 03:52:33 PM
No i dont, but if it is banned in Vancouver, when people do travel they are more likely to try it (if they have a thing for Shark Fin Soup).

If you don't believe banning shark fin soup will cause people to stop eating here and instead travel elsewhere to eat shark fin soup, then why did you write it about 10 posts above? 

Quote
But i can bet that if all of Canada (30 million people) stop eating shark fin soup, it wont make any impact on saving the Sharks.

Of course the number of people that eat shark fin soup in this country is much smaller than even the 30 million, which is already nothing more than a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the world, but even large changes begin with small gestures.  From tiny acorns, mighty oaks do grow!!!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 27, 2012, 05:46:30 PM
If you don't believe banning shark fin soup will cause people to stop eating here and instead travel elsewhere to eat shark fin soup, then why did you write it about 10 posts above? 

Well people who eat shark fin and can afford it will travel else where to eat it, but to fly to China to have shark fin for dinner is a little extreme. Especially since driving to Seattle is pretty convenient, I bet Shark fin sales there might go up unless they ban it too.

Of course the number of people that eat shark fin soup in this country is much smaller than even the 30 million, which is already nothing more than a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the world, but even large changes begin with small gestures.  From tiny acorns, mighty oaks do grow!!!

I agree "from tiny acorns, might oaks do drow", but I just think with the same amount of time, we should focus on something that we can create a bigger impact. Banning something that will create 0 impact = waste of time.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on September 27, 2012, 09:42:06 PM
Well going on and on about someone wanting to ban something seems right up there with "waste of time". :)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on September 29, 2012, 10:54:42 AM
Well going on and on about someone wanting to ban something seems right up there with "waste of time". :)

Not really considering i'm only sitting in front of a computer typing. Since there is a "risk" of having Shark Fin banned, even though i dont care for it I am heading out for a bowl tonight! I bet shark fin has been selling well in restaurants lately!

For any other people who enjoy this soup, try the restaurant on 41st and Granville, they specialize in Abalone and Shark fin ! you can get a decent quality Shark Fin soup for as low as 20 dollars per person!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 01, 2012, 11:00:36 PM
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Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 03, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
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Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: DionJL on October 03, 2012, 11:14:51 AM
I thought I'd point out that you two have degraded your debate to childish name calling.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2012, 12:46:33 PM
I thought I'd point out that you two have degraded your debate to childish name calling.

LOL!  Classic.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 03, 2012, 08:32:09 PM
WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 09, 2012, 01:43:46 PM
Another week of no ban of Shark fin in Vancouver + Richmond + etc. Went to a few restaurants and asked them how Shark Fin sales have been, seems like all this "ban" talk has created a bigger demand than ever for Shark Fin soup! Seems like some familes are even stocking up Shark Fin since most of these fins are dehydrated and can be kept in the house for a long time.

KUDOS for all the Anti Shark Fin supporters! you saved 0 Sharks and boosted up more demand!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: DionJL on October 09, 2012, 05:37:27 PM
Another week of no ban of Shark fin in Vancouver + Richmond + etc. Went to a few restaurants and asked them how Shark Fin sales have been, seems like all this "ban" talk has created a bigger demand than ever for Shark Fin soup! Seems like some familes are even stocking up Shark Fin since most of these fins are dehydrated and can be kept in the house for a long time.

KUDOS for all the Anti Shark Fin supporters! you saved 0 Sharks and boosted up more demand!

Do you have any hard proof or data to back up your claims? Or is it simply hearsay and anecdotal (biased) observations? You're doing little to further your argument  with these comments, and are simply trolling for reactions.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 10, 2012, 07:38:42 AM
So Dion how is posting those pics any different, or is it something that makes you feel special as a moderator, just sayin.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on October 10, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
Time for a 20 dollar soup break. :)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 10, 2012, 12:13:22 PM
Do you have any hard proof or data to back up your claims? Or is it simply hearsay and anecdotal (biased) observations? You're doing little to further your argument  with these comments, and are simply trolling for reactions.

Well i dont have any written proof of this, but I did go to a few stores in Chinatown and a few restaurants in Vancouver and asked them out of curiosity. Doesn't take too much to connect the dots, you create awareness that something "might" get banned, people who like to eat Shark Fin soup think they have limited opportunities to have the dish in Vancouver. So they go out and pay for it at a restaurant or go buy shark fin and keep it at home to make in the future. Not everything needs a written article in order to be true lol.
Like i said 0 sharks saved. And now Shark Fin sales are going up.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 10, 2012, 12:14:14 PM
So Dion how is posting those pics any different, or is it something that makes you feel special as a moderator, just sayin.

Sadly to say i'd have to agree with you on this one Bassonator.

Time for a 20 dollar soup break. :)

 I'm sure all the restaurants are very happy now lol.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on October 12, 2012, 10:26:37 PM
I use to work with her :-\ ........... looks like the tories would eat their own young if it brought them another election win ::)




Richmond MP Alice Wong tucks into bowl of shark fin soup
 Tory MP opposes municipal ban
 By Alan Campbell, Richmond NewsOctober 12, 2012 6:11 PM 
 MP Alice Wong enjoys a bowl of shark fin soup at the Jade Restaurant during a press conference yesterday at which she voiced her support of restaurant owner David Chung and her opposition to a municipal ban of the Asian delicacy.
Photograph by: Ming Pao, for Richmond NewsMETRO VANCOUVER -- Member of Parliament Alice Wong was back in her hometown of Richmond on Thursday — eating a bowl of shark fin soup.

At the Jade restaurant, Wong spoke to Asian media only, as it appeared no English-speaking  media were invited to the event.

According to Chinese media reports, Tory MP Wong reiterated her government’s stance that the banning of shark fin products, including the soup, is a federal responsibility — not that of municipalities.

Vancouver city council agreed last month that it will work with Richmond and Burnaby to develop a ban on the sale of shark-fin products. Port Moody, North Vancouver and Coquitlam have already imposed such a ban.

At Thursday’s event, Wong appeared to be backing Jade restaurant owner David Chung’s position that he is not breaking any laws by serving the shark fin soup and has every right to do so.

Kevin Huang, a spokesman for Shark Truth, a group that opposes the practice of shark finning, said his organization was unclear as to who Wong was representing.

“Currently, we’re trying to figure out whether Alice Wong is representing the Conservative government, in other words the federal government in her stand, or if she’s just going on her own.

“After we’re clear on that, we’ll be in a better position to make a comment. Since there was no official press statement, we’re only going off our sources and the Chinese media. From what I understand, only Chinese media were invited.”

Wong’s communication adviser Robert Lynch said a media advisory was sent out by the Vancouver office, adding he would look into why no English-speaking media appeared to have been invited to the event.

Chung, who is also head of the B.C. Asian Restaurant and Cafe Owners Association, has said in the past he doesn’t know if the soup he serves is derived from one of the many endangered shark species. And he has refused to hand over samples of his shark fins to the Vancouver Animal Defense League for DNA testing.

Chung has warned he’ll declare war on any ban.

He claimed his shark fin products are federally approved and are not derived from the cruel act of finning, whereby sharks are caught, have their fins sliced off and then dumped back into the sea to die.

Chung said it’s people’s right to eat what they want and that any such ban is “culturally insensitive.”

In his culture, serving a dish such as shark fin soup to someone is necessary to show sincerity in gratitude, he added.

Click here to read more stories from The Richmond News.

© Copyright (c) Richmond News
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 14, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
I use to work with her :-\ ........... looks like the tories would eat their own young if it brought them another election win ::)




Richmond MP Alice Wong tucks into bowl of shark fin soup
 Tory MP opposes municipal ban
 By Alan Campbell, Richmond NewsOctober 12, 2012 6:11 PM 
 MP Alice Wong enjoys a bowl of shark fin soup at the Jade Restaurant during a press conference yesterday at which she voiced her support of restaurant owner David Chung and her opposition to a municipal ban of the Asian delicacy.
Photograph by: Ming Pao, for Richmond NewsMETRO VANCOUVER -- Member of Parliament Alice Wong was back in her hometown of Richmond on Thursday — eating a bowl of shark fin soup.

At the Jade restaurant, Wong spoke to Asian media only, as it appeared no English-speaking  media were invited to the event.

According to Chinese media reports, Tory MP Wong reiterated her government’s stance that the banning of shark fin products, including the soup, is a federal responsibility — not that of municipalities.

Vancouver city council agreed last month that it will work with Richmond and Burnaby to develop a ban on the sale of shark-fin products. Port Moody, North Vancouver and Coquitlam have already imposed such a ban.

At Thursday’s event, Wong appeared to be backing Jade restaurant owner David Chung’s position that he is not breaking any laws by serving the shark fin soup and has every right to do so.

Kevin Huang, a spokesman for Shark Truth, a group that opposes the practice of shark finning, said his organization was unclear as to who Wong was representing.

“Currently, we’re trying to figure out whether Alice Wong is representing the Conservative government, in other words the federal government in her stand, or if she’s just going on her own.

“After we’re clear on that, we’ll be in a better position to make a comment. Since there was no official press statement, we’re only going off our sources and the Chinese media. From what I understand, only Chinese media were invited.”

Wong’s communication adviser Robert Lynch said a media advisory was sent out by the Vancouver office, adding he would look into why no English-speaking media appeared to have been invited to the event.

Chung, who is also head of the B.C. Asian Restaurant and Cafe Owners Association, has said in the past he doesn’t know if the soup he serves is derived from one of the many endangered shark species. And he has refused to hand over samples of his shark fins to the Vancouver Animal Defense League for DNA testing.

Chung has warned he’ll declare war on any ban.

He claimed his shark fin products are federally approved and are not derived from the cruel act of finning, whereby sharks are caught, have their fins sliced off and then dumped back into the sea to die.

Chung said it’s people’s right to eat what they want and that any such ban is “culturally insensitive.”

In his culture, serving a dish such as shark fin soup to someone is necessary to show sincerity in gratitude, he added.

Click here to read more stories from The Richmond News.

© Copyright (c) Richmond News


nice job Richmond!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 19, 2012, 06:53:48 PM

http://www.thenownews.com/news/open+letter+Alice+Wong/7415034/story.html




An open letter to MP Alice Wong
 
 
 


 
 
Coquitlam NowOctober 19, 2012
 
 
 
 
 





Dear Member of Parliament: I would like to express my concern and disappointment regarding your recent actions while carrying out your duties as Member of Parliament for Richmond.
 
I refer to the incident which occurred on Thursday, Oct. 11 at the Jade Restaurant in Richmond where you, while surrounded by an exclusive group of media representatives, made a public display of eating a bowl of shark-fin soup. I find this event alarming and deeply offensive on a number of fronts:
 
1 - It is widely recognized that the rampant act of "shark-finning" is inhumane, unsustainable and potentially environmentally devastating. By making a public display of consuming the shark-fin soup, you clearly demonstrated your lack of awareness or worse, lack of concern over a major environmental issue and the welfare of sharks in the wild;
 
2 - You did not act in good faith with respect to representing the constituents of Richmond. As a public servant, you have a duty to provide fair and consistent representation in the best interest of all your constituents. Catering to the harmful and needless desires of a special interest group is not acceptable;
 
3 - Transparency is critical in positions of public trust. This element was sorely lacking as was evident by the deliberate exclusion of English speaking media representatives;
 
4 - Your statement that shark fins are purchased and imported legally is at best questionable.
 
While Canada currently allows the import of legally harvested shark fins (with the exception of fins from endangered species), there is no traceability in place to verify how or from which species imported shark fins are harvested.
 
5 - Your statement that the banning of shark fin products, including soup, is a federal, not municipal responsibility has also been challenged. The municipalities of Port Moody, North Vancouver and Coquitlam have already imposed a ban on the sale of shark fin products.
 
Vancouver city council is currently working with Richmond and Burnaby to implement a similar ban in these communities. Due to growing public pressure and inaction of the federal Conservative government, the Union of BC Municipalities is calling on the provincial government to implement a province-wide ban on the possession, sale and distribution of shark fin products.
 
If as a private citizen you choose to consume this product then that is your prerogative.
 
However, in your role as a publicly elected federal representative you must be accountable for your actions and must not act solely in your own self-interest.
 
Ms. Wong, I look forward to an appropriate response to this disturbing show of poor judgement.
 
Nancy Furness Port Coquitlam


Read more: http://www.thenownews.com/news/open+letter+Alice+Wong/7415034/story.html#ixzz29ngykbJO
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on October 19, 2012, 09:05:20 PM
Wong just plain did it wrong. :)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 20, 2012, 02:47:48 PM


might have been a little insensitive to the "anti shark fin protestors" but she did bring up a good point that banning Shark Fin should be something done federally and not at the municipal level. It is a big waste of time trying to ban something at the municipal level when not every city has the same idea. Cities like North Vancouver, Coquitlam, and Port Moody has banned the product, also note that those cities dont have many upper end chinese restaurants that serve Shark Fin.


Alice Wong did do something to support the "majority" of the Richmond inhabitants, which is go out and have a bowl of Shark Fin soup! Coquitlam, North Vancouver, and Port Moody should deal with their own issues and I hope Alice Wong ignores the letter and let the voters of Richmond determine what they want.

If Nancy Furness and company really want to make an impact on saving sharks, they should travel to Asia and stop the problem at the source! oh wait... that would probably be too costly...that's probably why they got nothing better to do than to write letters like the above   ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on October 20, 2012, 03:56:38 PM
Fin Donnelly, NDP MP for Coquitlam, will be introducing a private members bill banning shark fin imports into Canada in November. It will be interesting to see how far it goes......
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: roseph on October 20, 2012, 04:17:02 PM
Ed, by your logic we should all forget about acting local (have you seen what emissions are like there - so why bother reducing here right?  - 'waste of time') and give up on anything that saves our environment here in Canada.  In other words live like people do in china.  

To which I say, NO THANKS.

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 20, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Ed, by your logic we should all forget about acting local (have you seen what emissions are like there - so why bother reducing here right?  - 'waste of time') and give up on anything that saves our environment here in Canada.  In other words live like people do in china.  

To which I say, NO THANKS.

To me, those who are trying to save the right to eat shark fin go hand in hand with those walking around in colour clashing LV and Gucci outfits and gold laces on their sneakers while they spit phlegm or farmer blow their noses in front of the bank/store/restaurant they're dropping big money on, then look at you and wonder why you've got a disgusted look on your face.

X2
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: ynot on October 21, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
They should use our local dogfish ,clean them out a bit.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 21, 2012, 05:26:34 PM
Ed, by your logic we should all forget about acting local (have you seen what emissions are like there - so why bother reducing here right?  - 'waste of time') and give up on anything that saves our environment here in Canada.  In other words live like people do in china.  

To which I say, NO THANKS.

To me, those who are trying to save the right to eat shark fin go hand in hand with those walking around in colour clashing LV and Gucci outfits and gold laces on their sneakers while they spit phlegm or farmer blow their noses in front of the bank/store/restaurant they're dropping big money on, then look at you and wonder why you've got a disgusted look on your face.

    By my logic, living in British Columbia we should be more focused on issue that is in front of us, for example the pipeline that is being built from Alberta or importing Chinese labour to work our mines instead of employing Canadians. Funny thing is, even if Shark fin is federally banned in Canada,  0 Sharks will be saved therefore how will banning it save our environment?  The ban would probably create an underground market for Shark Fin ( less taxes going to the government).  Why dont we spend the time saving 0 Sharks, and spend it on activities that will actualy save something. Correct me if i'm wrong, Canada still fishes for bluefin tuna which is considered an endangered species? 
 
    Canada is a developed (first world) country and China is a developing (third world country), it's obvious with the type of industries they have in China that they will produce more emmisions. Canada is a staples economy which means we rely a lot on our natural resources = less pollution. But before you start pointing fingers at China's emissions, Canadians per capita wise are the most wasteful population in the world (water, electricity, etc). Last time I checked, Canada pulled out of the Kyoto Protocal which is aiming to cut emmisions.
   
   To me, those who are trying to oppose Shark Fin soup go hand in hand with those who cannot afford to live in Vancouver, are bitter that their jobs and homes have been taken away by Chinese people who are harder workers (harder work = you make more money to afford the LV and Gucci), people who have nothing better to do (no skills or education) that want to feel important and hypocritical people who do not see problems within our own borders but instead likes to point fingers at others (similar to our neighboring Americans).
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: StillAqua on October 21, 2012, 07:36:51 PM
   To me, those who are trying to oppose Shark Fin soup go hand in hand with those who cannot afford to live in Vancouver, are bitter that their jobs and homes have been taken away by Chinese people who are harder workers (harder work = you make more money to afford the LV and Gucci), people who have nothing better to do (no skills or education) that want to feel important and hypocritical people who do not see problems within our own borders but instead likes to point fingers at others (similar to our neighboring Americans).

I find it hard to believe that you truly can't comprehend what the concept of a "sustainable fishery" entails or what it means for the future. If sharkfin harvesting is part of a sustainable fishery, few people in North America would have a problem with it. But it's not, and if you want to be a dinosaur dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, so be it. If it takes the second generation of Asian youth rejecting the elitism that worships sharkfin and shames you into rejecting it, then so be it. It will happen because the younger generations are beginning to understand the huge and irresponsible environmental mortgage that their elders are bestowing on them and they don't want it. http://www.sharktruth.com/ (http://www.sharktruth.com/)

Enjoy your soup while you can Ed.......
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 21, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
I find it hard to believe that you truly can't comprehend what the concept of a "sustainable fishery" entails or what it means for the future. If sharkfin harvesting is part of a sustainable fishery, few people in North America would have a problem with it. But it's not, and if you want to be a dinosaur dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, so be it. If it takes the second generation of Asian youth rejecting the elitism that worships sharkfin and shames you into rejecting it, then so be it. It will happen because the younger generations are beginning to understand the huge and irresponsible environmental mortgage that their elders are bestowing on them and they don't want it. http://www.sharktruth.com/ (http://www.sharktruth.com/)

Enjoy your soup while you can Ed.......

I find it hard to believe that you truly think banning Shark Fin in Canada will have any effect or improvements to the Shark population. The problem isn't the Chinese people living in Canada consuming Shark Fin but it is the people who actually live in Asia that are consuming it. Is it really that hard for you to see that even if everybody in Canada stopped eating Shark Fin Soup that Sharks will still be fished to satisfy the demand in Asia? Do you really think these protests will pressure China to ban it as well? Do you think Shark fishers that depend on selling Shark Fin to make a living will stop because some people in developed countries are preaching about the environment?  Sorry to burst your bubble but A. As long as there are people living in poverty, nobody cares about the "future" when they could starve tomorrow. B. There are a lot more important environmental issues that need to be dealt with before Sharks are a priority. This is almost an example of all the good students making it into university (dealing/concerned over more important issues caused by economic development) and the dumb kids that never made it past highschool (the ones that are focused on saving the Sharks).

I believe you that some of the younger generations (maybe second generation Chinese) are beginning to accept not having shark fin but that is purely their own decision to not have it.  I am sure in my life time  Shark Fin will be available! Funny thing is that some chinese people in Vancouver might think that they have to enjoy it while they can, Shark Fin Soup/ Shark Fin sales have sky rocketted since the protesting.

Unfortunately, the sad truth is that the economy comes before the environment. Even Canada is willing to back down on their environmental duties such as taking part of the Kyoto Protocal just so they wouldn't have to pay billions in penalties.
 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/12/12/pol-kent-kyoto-pullout.html

  
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: RyanB on October 22, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
I've had sharkfin soup twice, both times when I was very young.  I was super excited the first time because I thought the idea of eating sharks was cool.

It was a big letdown.  It was a very bland soup.  Second time, same thing.

The sharkfin itself has a strange texture, kind of chewy and almost rubbery.  It doesn't have much taste at all.

I guess it has some supposed medicinal qualities because people can't be eating it for the taste.

 
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 22, 2012, 04:43:27 AM
I find it hard to believe that you truly think banning Shark Fin in Canada will have any effect or improvements to the Shark population. The problem isn't the Chinese people living in Canada consuming Shark Fin but it is the people who actually live in Asia that are consuming it. Is it really that hard for you to see that even if everybody in Canada stopped eating Shark Fin Soup that Sharks will still be fished to satisfy the demand in Asia? Do you really think these protests will pressure China to ban it as well? Do you think Shark fishers that depend on selling Shark Fin to make a living will stop because some people in developed countries are preaching about the environment?  Sorry to burst your bubble but A. As long as there are people living in poverty, nobody cares about the "future" when they could starve tomorrow. B. There are a lot more important environmental issues that need to be dealt with before Sharks are a priority. This is almost an example of all the good students making it into university (dealing/concerned over more important issues caused by economic development) and the dumb kids that never made it past highschool (the ones that are focused on saving the Sharks).

I believe you that some of the younger generations (maybe second generation Chinese) are beginning to accept not having shark fin but that is purely their own decision to not have it.  I am sure in my life time  Shark Fin will be available! Funny thing is that some chinese people in Vancouver might think that they have to enjoy it while they can, Shark Fin Soup/ Shark Fin sales have sky rocketted since the protesting.

Unfortunately, the sad truth is that the economy comes before the environment. Even Canada is willing to back down on their environmental duties such as taking part of the Kyoto Protocal just so they wouldn't have to pay billions in penalties.
 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/12/12/pol-kent-kyoto-pullout.html

  



So I guess when its finally banned here in Canada you'll be heading back to where you can still get it......heres hoping.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on October 22, 2012, 08:41:50 AM
"and the dumb kids that never made it past highschool (the ones that are focused on saving the Sharks)."


Ed, come on now. :-\

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 22, 2012, 02:05:19 PM

So I guess when its finally banned here in Canada you'll be heading back to where you can still get it......heres hoping.

Funny thing is, there is a good chance that it will not get banned. Sure.. have it banned in Port Moody, West Vancouver, North Vancouver, Chilliwack, Surrey, etc. I can drive to Richmond for a bowl. Federal Banning > Municipal Banning. And if it is  banned, I will definetely travel to China to have a bowl of Shark Fin soup if I felt like it. There are numerous flights per day to Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and etc so travelling from Vancouver will be easy! Feels great to be Canadian!

PS. dont get your hopes too high!

"and the dumb kids that never made it past highschool (the ones that are focused on saving the Sharks)."


Ed, come on now. :-\



Sorry i was trying to refer to Bassonator....
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Bassonator on October 22, 2012, 05:33:58 PM
Ill give up now.

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Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
Give up on what? you never had an argument.... there is a chinese saying.. " you can't teach an ox how to play piano"
Delicious....

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.204827!/img/httpImage/image.jpg)

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: bigblue on October 29, 2012, 09:25:23 PM
This thread is still going?  ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: speycaster on October 29, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
Looks like a gelatinous bowl of crap. ;D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on October 30, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
Looks like a gelatinous bowl of crap. ;D

If that were true then I guess there should be no reason why sharks are being over fished  ???     
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: speycaster on November 01, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
It looks so bad to me that the only people that I think would consume it are those that think the only way that they can get an erection is by eating the penis of a tiger. :o
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 01, 2012, 11:19:52 PM
It looks so bad to me that the only people that I think would consume it are those that think the only way that they can get an erection is by eating the penis of a tiger. :o

Seems like you have small town attitude, if you ever left your town/village you might think otherwise. Also rich people are the ones who are consuming this soup, this luxury is a little bit more expensive than your tomato soup, or chicken corn chowder. And the last time I checked, women (attractive ones) like successful men so i dont see why they will need tiger penises to get an erection? I dont think you end up with 1.3 billion people by not "getting it up". ???


I wonder how many people went to Chinatown for a bowl of Shark Fin soup, the crack heads on E. Hastings must be doing well!  Love how Kerry Jang is trying to gain popularity by saying that he got a "popular" Chinese restaurant to stop serving the soup..
http://www.straight.com/article-822291/vancouver/floata-seafood-restaurant-commits-stop-serving-sharkfin-soup


Without Richmond doesn't look like this soup will be banned. At this point the only cities that will strongly consider banning it are Whistler, Maple Ridge, Hope, Chilliwack, ... oh wait these cities probably never had any restaurants that served the soup anyways, just like North Vancouver and Port Moody lol. Its a pretty big joke how little is accomplished from this... i wonder how many sharks have been saved so far...

http://www.burnabynow.com/Shark+soup+plate/7475034/story.html
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: RyanB on November 01, 2012, 11:45:50 PM
Also rich people are the ones who are consuming this soup, this luxury is a little bit more expensive than your tomato soup, or chicken corn chowder.

I never realized it was special.  I had it at little walk-up restaurants in Chinatown when I was a kid.  It was just another soup on the menu and not expensive. 

Ordering a whole duck was special at some restaurants and usually we had to call a day ahead.

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 02, 2012, 01:18:23 PM
I never realized it was special.  I had it at little walk-up restaurants in Chinatown when I was a kid.  It was just another soup on the menu and not expensive. 

Ordering a whole duck was special at some restaurants and usually we had to call a day ahead.



It's probably imitation Shark Fin made from vermecelli. You can even get a bowl of immitation Shark Fin soup at the night market for 4-5 dollars. Or it could be one of those Shark Fin dumpling soups you see at dim sum places.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: speycaster on November 04, 2012, 05:19:03 PM
So Ed ever been to the Congo? If not my small town attitude beats your big city attitude, you should not my friend ASSUME things. I still think that people that eat penis's have a problem, unless it is their own. ;D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 05, 2012, 12:31:09 AM
So Ed ever been to the Congo? If not my small town attitude beats your big city attitude, you should not my friend ASSUME things. I still think that people that eat penis's have a problem, unless it is their own. ;D

Congo? wow i'm impressed, you must have experienced a lot there! I'm not the ignorant one judging a dish by how it looks when I never tried it. Sounds like you may have issues of your own beyond this Shark Fin discussion, when you are ok with eating "your own" penis. It might be ok in your small town, but in the big city we dont do that. This isn't a fetish forum about penises, so lets keep the focus on Shark Fin!  ::)  over and out!

Meanwhile on the news, Kerry Jang continues to do a great job trying to get popularity for more votes! It's great to be gullable!

http://www.straight.com/article-825976/vancouver/restaurant-owner-calls-coun-kerry-jang-banana-opposing-shark-fin-soup

Kerry Jang is definetely doing a great job for Vancouver! Looks like he prefers attention over actually getting something done!

http://www.openfile.ca/vancouver/blog/curator-blog/update/2011/npa-fire-vision-councillor-kerry-jang
http://archive.citycaucus.com/2009/12/model-behaviour-proves-embarrassing-for-jang
http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2012/10/10/kerry-jangs-jabs-jeopardize-federal-cash
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: norton on November 05, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Ban it now. Cut the fins off and throw the live fish back ?Barbaric
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: norton on November 05, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
 If you eat the fins of the shark then you should  eat the whole  shark.  But kill it first , or it might bite your ..... Off.   
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on November 06, 2012, 11:34:35 AM
If you eat the fins of the shark then you should  eat the whole  shark.  But kill it first , or it might bite your ..... Off.   

http://www.visiondive.com/sites/protection/english/poisonous_shark_meat.html

might be a bad idea to eat the sharks... seems like there is a high concentration of mercury or other heavy metals in shark (high in the food chain).
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: ynot on December 01, 2012, 05:28:06 PM
a judge in toronto has thrown out the city's ban on shark fin soup, the city does not have the right to do it said the judge.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 01, 2012, 09:08:00 PM
Ban it now. Cut the fins off and throw the live fish back ?Barbaric

Let's ban fishing all together. I have seen many female chums being discarded with tummy cut open by some barbaric fishermen who are not Asians, and yes the fish still wriggling with pain and left to die. PETA should tape it and broadcast all over the world and have our salmon fishing banned. Then there will be peace.  :D  I agree finning a shark and let it die slow is cruel. But it is a cruelty plot overplayed for propaganda. Is it more ok for our salmon, even wild steelhead or wild coho to die slowly, wriggling for hours, trapped and suffocating for hours with their gills not being able to breathe and suffer the same slow death? That is also a horrific way of harvest which is cruel. Why is that ok to you guys who point the finger to those subsistence fishermen. Where is the camera for the cruelty done to fish to die this way? Should we ban salmon harvest because of this cruelty to the fish? Why not? Because it will take away the favourite fish of North American and European taste. Yup. I can justify my taste but your taste is all weir and uncivilized and come from cruel unedcuated people. Typical western arrogance to me.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 01, 2012, 09:21:38 PM


Let's ban fishing all together. I have seen many female chums being discarded with tummy cut open by some barbaric fishermen who are not Asians, and yes the fish still wriggling with pain and left to die. PETA should tape it and broadcast all over the world and have our salmon fishing banned. Then there will be peace.  :D  I agree finning a shark and let it die slow is cruel. But it is a cruelty plot overplayed for propaganda. Is it more ok for our salmon, even wild steelhead or wild coho to die slowly, wriggling for hours in a gill net, trapped and suffocating for hours with their gills not being able to breathe and suffer the same slow death? That is also a horrific way of harvest which is cruel. How about the slow death suffered by being crushed in a net trolled at high speed? Why is that ok to you guys who point the finger to those subsistence fishermen. Where is the camera for the cruelty done to fish to die this way? Should we ban salmon harvest because of this cruelty to the fish? Why not? Because it will take away the favourite fish of North American and European taste. Yup. I can justify my taste but your taste is all weir and uncivilized and come from cruel unedcuated people.  My way is ok and beyond reproach, but your way is barbaric. Isn't there something wrong? Typical western arrogance to me.

The solution is not a total ban, but regulation & quota imposed by shark harvesting countries. Sharks are way more numerous than blue fin tuna or sturgeon. You can see fishing shows or nature shows with lots of sharks. But you never see a blue fin tuna except in the current Wicked Tuna shows.  If shark harvest or sharp fin is banned instead of being regulated, then ban the rest. If not, then why? Dont' be a hypocrite now.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: work2fish on December 02, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Let's ban fishing all together. I have seen many female chums being discarded with tummy cut open by some barbaric fishermen who are not Asians, and yes the fish still wriggling with pain and left to die. PETA should tape it and broadcast all over the world and have our salmon fishing banned. Then there will be peace.  :D  I agree fining a shark and let it die slow is cruel. But it is a cruelty plot overplayed for propaganda. Is it more ok for our salmon, even wild steelhead or wild coho to die slowly, wriggling for hours in a gill net, trapped and suffocating for hours with their gills not being able to breathe and suffer the same slow death? That is also a horrific way of harvest which is cruel. How about the slow death suffered by being crushed in a net trolled at high speed? Why is that ok to you guys who point the finger to those subsistence fishermen. Where is the camera for the cruelty done to fish to die this way? Should we ban salmon harvest because of this cruelty to the fish? Why not? Because it will take away the favourite fish of North American and European taste. Yup. I can justify my taste but your taste is all weir and uncivilized and come from cruel unedcuated people.  My way is ok and beyond reproach, but your way is barbaric. Isn't there something wrong? Typical western arrogance to me.

The solution is not a total ban, but regulation & quota imposed by shark harvesting countries. Sharks are way more numerous than blue fin tuna or sturgeon. You can see fishing shows or nature shows with lots of sharks. But you never see a blue fin tuna except in the current Wicked Tuna shows.  If shark harvest or sharp fin is banned instead of being regulated, then ban the rest. If not, then why? Dont' be a hypocrite now.

There are a few large differences between killing salmon for roe and fining sharks.
1. Sharks can live up to a 100 years, the salmon are returning to die
2. Most of these salmon are put there though hatchery programs.  One of the largest objections to fining is the unsustainability of it, otherwise it wouldn't now be banned at official banquets in China.
3. There is no comparison to "slit and releasing" a salmon to fining a shark.  The salmon is not going to live a tenth as long as the shark, and chances are any "roe" fishermen that would do such a thing are going to bonk and bleed their fish before taking the roe. If they do release it back into the river instead of taking it home at least the nutrients are being returned to the river, which is the point of a lot of the hatchery programs, like the white spring stockings done to most lower mainland rivers.
4. We also have regulations in place to punish anyone wasting their salmon catch, or being cruel to animals, so if you see someone doing it- report them if you feel it's so hypocritical.  We have laws to deal with this behavior, and that's the biggest objection to fining.  I'm sure if salmon fishing was as barbaric as you describe there would be a group out there trying to stop it.

The point of banning the soup is that there are many unregulated countries fining sharks, and one of the ways to put pressure on them to stop is by banning it's sale and removing the market.  Same thing that was done with rhino horn, elephant tusks, black bear gall bladders etc etc.  I have no problem with someone killing a bear, so long as they use it, not just to harvest an organ for a "delicacy" or some homeopathic form of Viagra.

We're a predatory species at the top of the food chain, if someone wants to kill an animal, I have no objection so long as it's done in a sustainable way in harmony with the environment, that properly uses the animal.  I don't agree with whaling either, but I understand the native historical and cultural significance to hunting them.  I would hope that as society evolves we look at some of these cultural practices and refine our behaviours, and realize we don't need to hunt whales to honor our ancestors, any more than we need to impale someone as a form of capital punishment, or fin sharks to add a chewy crunchy element to soup.

Fining should be banned, but if you want to fish sharks, fill your boots, so long as you at least use the entire animal, and kill it humanely.  It's not the killing of sharks that's the issue, it's killing them in an unsustainable practice, inhumanely that's the problem. Fining is the result of the the low economic value of the rest of the fish.  Unfortunately since some people/countries can't play nice, we have to resort to bans to force change that would not happen otherwise.

It isn't western arrogance or sinophobia, it's an evolved sense of ethics and it's not restricted to western society.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 02, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
There are a few large differences between killing salmon for roe and fining sharks.
1. Sharks can live up to a 100 years, the salmon are returning to die
2. Most of these salmon are put there though hatchery programs.  One of the largest objections to fining is the unsustainability of it, otherwise it wouldn't now be banned at official banquets in China.
3. There is no comparison to "slit and releasing" a salmon to fining a shark.  The salmon is not going to live a tenth as long as the shark, and chances are any "roe" fishermen that would do such a thing are going to bonk and bleed their fish before taking the roe. If they do release it back into the river instead of taking it home at least the nutrients are being returned to the river, which is the point of a lot of the hatchery programs, like the white spring stockings done to most lower mainland rivers.
4. We also have regulations in place to punish anyone wasting their salmon catch, or being cruel to animals, so if you see someone doing it- report them if you feel it's so hypocritical.  We have laws to deal with this behavior, and that's the biggest objection to fining.  I'm sure if salmon fishing was as barbaric as you describe there would be a group out there trying to stop it.

The point of banning the soup is that there are many unregulated countries fining sharks, and one of the ways to put pressure on them to stop is by banning it's sale and removing the market.  Same thing that was done with rhino horn, elephant tusks, black bear gall bladders etc etc.  I have no problem with someone killing a bear, so long as they use it, not just to harvest an organ for a "delicacy" or some homeopathic form of Viagra.

We're a predatory species at the top of the food chain, if someone wants to kill an animal, I have no objection so long as it's done in a sustainable way in harmony with the environment, that properly uses the animal.  I don't agree with whaling either, but I understand the native historical and cultural significance to hunting them.  I would hope that as society evolves we look at some of these cultural practices and refine our behaviours, and realize we don't need to hunt whales to honor our ancestors, any more than we need to impale someone as a form of capital punishment, or fin sharks to add a chewy crunchy element to soup.

Fining should be banned, but if you want to fish sharks, fill your boots, so long as you at least use the entire animal, and kill it humanely.  It's not the killing of sharks that's the issue, it's killing them in an unsustainable practice, inhumanely that's the problem. Fining is the result of the the low economic value of the rest of the fish.  Unfortunately since some people/countries can't play nice, we have to resort to bans to force change that would not happen otherwise.

It isn't western arrogance or sinophobia, it's an evolved sense of ethics and it's not restricted to western society.

I'm pretty sure finning doesn't even make top 20 in the list of human activities that impact the environment. The reason why this ban is not going to happen is because out of so many environmental issues that we have, Shark Finning is least of their concern. If we are talking about cruelty, the Danish and Japanese slaughter the dolphins. If we talk about impacts on the environment, extracting oil from oil shale or deforestation (forests being sold to China), or even the infamous north atlantic cod fisheries that crashed are/were all bigger issues that impacted Canada. Another big reason why this ban will not happen is because as long as China and other fellow asian countries do not impose the ban, the total consumption of Shark Fin wont be going down much. Most of the illegal fishing is done by the people who live in poverty around the world therefore their education or concerns over the environment is minimal.

In regards to not consuming the Shark, if you do some research i believe they contain high levels of heavy metals. Consuming the whole fish might be hazardous considering how high sharks are in the oceanic food chain. And considering Shark Fin is a imported good, it should be regulated by our federal government and not municaplities because clearly they dont have the authority or power to do so.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/12/01/toronto-shark-fin-ban-invalid.html

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on December 02, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
If we are talking about cruelty, the Danish and Japanese slaughter the dolphins.

Yo, get your facts straight. It has already been addressed.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29275.0
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 03, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
Now that the judge has thrown out the case in Toronto, they may have to hire body guard to protect the judge. Poor guy. He is dealing with the animal rights fanatics who have a big, big part to do with this push to target the Chinese and their soup. This is the same group who circulated the idea saying that the 20,000 people who perished in the Japanese tsunami is karma for shark harvest. He may have death threats coming his way big time now. They have done the damage to the Inuit people and their culture with their propaganda machines of the mass media. You want to side with these fanatics? Be my guest. I would rather this whole movement done via UN or any international authorities with established scientific studies to regulate the industry with official quota for shark fishing nations, much like whaling. They can advise subsistence fishermen to do finning more humanely. But personally, this cruelty aspect of the fishing should not be used to ban the soup. Cruelty is cruelty, doesn't matter how many years an animal or fish has to live. Are you going to justify each piece of meat/fish you eat that the victim of your bite is a dying animal? If not, why?  I don't want to be a hypocriate, hiding behind agents of slaughtering houses or fishing boats as if the meat I consume do not come with sufferings of those living things which have to die so I can eat to live. I accept it is just the law of nature, the cycle of life. You either accept that or don't even try to bite the next piece of meat. Predation by killing, directly or indirectly, is cruelty. Don't be a hypocrite and pretend that your full stomach does not come from result of cruety and that you are not part of the problem of cruelty to animals. Under such argument, you pretty much should hang up the rods for good.  Welcome to the club of the vegetarian.

As far as the barbaric argument that Chinese have to eat the whole sharks and not just the edible part or else risk mercury poisoning, I like to point out the fact that as a culture, Chinese are known to eat most animal parts, the head, the guts, the ears, the fins, the tails, even the egss & sperms , even the blood, of animals they kill for food. The only part they don't eat is the 'cupcakes' in the guts. LOL!  If you say they should risk DEATH to eat the whole shark before you think their killing of the shark is justified, then should they ask you to just risk STOMACH upset to consume all the undesirable parts of animals you eat, so that the killing of the animals for your appetite is justified? Next time you shop for your steak, make sure you also buy all the other parts Chinese eat so that you are not a hypocrite. No? Why not???  ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: cutthroat22 on December 03, 2012, 01:44:05 PM

 Next time you shop for your steak, make sure you also buy all the other parts Chinese eat so that you are not a hypocrite. No? Why not???  ;)

The hypocrites eat hot dogs  :D
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 03, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
I eat vegetarians!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 04, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
Yo, get your facts straight. It has already been addressed.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29275.0

yo

http://www.protecttheocean.com/denmark-continues-dolphin-slaughter-warning-graphic-images/
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on December 04, 2012, 04:08:58 PM
Again, do some more research before believing everything you read on the net. Instead of wasting time to feed the troll, here it is again.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29275.msg279674#msg279674

"The Faroe Islands have been a self-governing country within the Danish Realm since 1948."
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 04, 2012, 04:13:05 PM
Now that the judge has thrown out the case in Toronto, they may have to hire body guard to protect the judge. Poor guy. He is dealing with the animal rights fanatics who have a big, big part to do with this push to target the Chinese and their soup. This is the same group who circulated the idea saying that the 20,000 people who perished in the Japanese tsunami is karma for shark harvest. He may have death threats coming his way big time now. They have done the damage to the Inuit people and their culture with their propaganda machines of the mass media. You want to side with these fanatics? Be my guest. I would rather this whole movement done via CN or any international authorities with established scientific studies to regulate the industry with official quota for shark fishing nations, much like whaling. They can advise subsistence fishermen to do finning more humanely. But personally, this cruelty aspect of the fishing should not be used to ban the soup. Cruelty is cruelty, doesn't matter how many years an animal or fish has to live. Are you going to justify each piece of meat/fish you eat that the victim of your bite is a dying animal? If not, why?  I don't want to be a hypocriate, hiding behind agents of slaughtering houses or fishing boats as if the meat I consume do not come with sufferings of those living things which have to die so I can eat to live. I accept it is just the law of nature, the cycle of life. You either accept that or don't even try to bite the next piece of meat. Predation by killing, directly or indirectly, is cruelty. Don't be a hypocrite and pretend that your full stomach does not come from result of cruety and that you are not part of the problem of cruelty to animals. Under such argument, you pretty much should hang up the rods for good.  Welcome to the club of the vegetarian.

As far as the barbaric argument that Chinese have to eat the whole sharks and not just the edible part or else risk mercury poisoning, I like to point out the fact that as a culture, Chinese are known to eat most animal parts, the head, the guts, the ears, the fins, the tails, even the egss & sperms , even the blood, of animals they kill for food. The only part they don't eat is the 'cupcakes' in the guts. LOL!  If you say they should risk DEATH to eat the whole shark before you think their killing of the shark is justified, then should they ask you to just risk STOMACH upset to consume all the undesirable parts of animals you eat, so that the killing of the animals for your appetite is justified? Next time you shop for your steak, make sure you also buy all the other parts Chinese eat so that you are not a hypocrite. No? Why not???  ;)

And the Chinese also think that Japanese involvment in the second world war killing 30 million chinese could have had something to do with the tsunami! Totally agree with your post, there are way too many treehugging fanatics that are preaching all these issues because they are comfortable living in Canada and doesn't understand that the rest of the world is actually pretty poor. This is what happens when people have too much time on their hands! Speaking of Shark Fin, a client of mine took me out for dinner 41st and Granville... some delicious tiger shark fin! I definetley feel the mercury!  ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 04, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
Again, do some more research before believing everything you read on the net. Instead of wasting time to feed the troll, here it is again.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29275.msg279674#msg279674

Pretty sure they still belong to Denmark.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Island

But I get what you mean though, it's like Taiwan and China. Taiwan governs themselves but they are actually China.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on December 04, 2012, 04:22:57 PM
No, not really. You don't get what I mean.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 04, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Great Job New Westminster! Enough time spent on banning Shark fin from......................................................1 restaurant.

http://www.newwestnewsleader.com/news/182090211.html


Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on December 04, 2012, 07:41:15 PM
Ed the part about it being "detrimental to the ecosystem" is probably more valid than someones desire to eat the soup. As you say the rest of the world may be poor but lets not make them poorer because of bad practices. The Chinese may well find themselves in a vast industrial wasteland in their effort to make some money. Where nothing grows. And with a population like they have that could end up grim. You just got to way things out for whats good down the road.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
Ed the part about it being "detrimental to the ecosystem" is probably more valid than someones desire to eat the soup. As you say the rest of the world may be poor but lets not make them poorer because of bad practices. The Chinese may well find themselves in a vast industrial wasteland in their effort to make some money. Where nothing grows. And with a population like they have that could end up grim. You just got to way things out for whats good down the road.

Yes, i agree but shark fin is a relatively "minor" issue compared to all of the other human practices that impact the environment. What i'm trying to point out is that if they dont ban Shark fin globally, a mere ban in Europe or North America will almost have 0 impact on saving the sharks. The demand for Shark Fin in Asia alone is enough to feed all the suppliers, at most Shark Fin might even become cheaper and more affordable in the poor country (which will be worse off for the environment) if the demand in North America is gone due to banning. The fact that China ended up with a 1.3 billion population is already a little bit late for them to turn around, their main concern is the economy and not the environment. I'm sure in most countries even in the developed world, it is the same or else Canada and USA would not have left the Kyoto Protocol due to them not meeting their targets.

I dont get how finning will make them poorer other than maybe ruining the environment for their future generation. Then again if they dont feed their families, there wont be any future generations for these fishermen.

Last time I checked the news Turkey was setting up Patriot Missiles in their border to counter Syria.... i think that issue might have been put above Shark Finning.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 05, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Ed,
Traditional Chinese medicine is full of "voodoo" and shark fin soup is just another voodoo magic thing from that bag of tricks.
Chinese demand for voodoo pills has brought many animals to near extinction.
Unfortunately people in poor countries would do anything to supply that demand.
But even in China the people are becoming aware of the shark fin soup joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SAkq6lsnoE


Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 08:42:54 PM
Ed,
Traditional Chinese medicine is full of "voodoo" and shark fin soup is just another voodoo magic thing from that bag of tricks.
Chinese demand for voodoo pills has brought many animals to near extinction.
Unfortunately people in poor countries would do anything to supply that demand.
But even in China the people are becoming aware of the shark fin soup joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SAkq6lsnoE




Yes, Gordon Ramsey's definetely has tons of credibility in environmental science! You must be really edcuated too! ALL of chinese medicine must be voodoo right, considering China has a history of around 5000 years.

"Chinese demand for voodoo pills has brought many animals to near extinction" I wonder which animals you are referring to? Yes, many animals have become endangered but I'm not sure where you studied or got your information from but last time I check it's usually pollution, deforestation, and other activites that impact their habitat that causes animals to be nearly extinct.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/infographic-top-20-countries-with-most-endangered-species

I'm sure a lot of people in China cannot afford Shark Fin or else the Sharks would be in real danger! Like I said in my previous posts, good chance there wont be a ban of Shark Fin.

You are right at one thing though, people in poor countries would do anything to make a living including happily taking jobs in the BC mining industry for minimum wage! Hopefully more of these people are given the opportunity to work for a better life in Canada  in other industries as well. This way less people will want to be shark fishermen because it honestly isn't that great of a career!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 05, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Ed,
It's not until the western medicine took hold in most of the world that the life expectancy increased dramatically.
Even in europe during the dark ages they practiced cranial bleeding to cure diseases. Voodoo!
All these "voodoo" techniques have been practiced in many places in the world, China, Papua New Guinea, Borneo, Amazon, Africa for thousands of years.
A lot of superstition and "feel good" marketing. All ganja man!
There is value in natural cures, but a lot of it is overblown.

"China has a history of around 5000 years."
That doesn't mean anything. People have lived in most of continental Euroasia for 40,000 years.
Africa has history of over 100,000 years and it's still all voodoo.
I will give China credit for perfecting combat techniques, but medicine no.
Voodoo!  ;)

It's time to leave the voodoo behind and get with the science of the times.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
Ed,
It's not until the western medicine took hold in most of the world that the life expectancy increased dramatically.
Even in europe during the dark ages they practiced cranial bleeding to cure diseases. Voodoo!
All these "voodoo" techniques have been practiced in many places in the world, China, Papua New Guinea, Borneo, Amazon, Africa for thousands of years.
A lot of superstition and "feel good" marketing. All ganja man!
There is value in natural cures, but a lot of it is overblown.

"China has a history of around 5000 years."
That doesn't mean anything. People have lived in most of continental Euroasia for 40,000 years.
Africa has history of over 100,000 years and it's still all voodoo.
I will give China credit for perfecting combat techniques, but medicine no.
Voodoo!  ;)

It's time to leave the voodoo behind and get with the science of the times.

When I said 5000 years, i meant 5000 years of civilization. Which means medicine was around. Also if chinese medicine was voodoo then i guess people kept buying something that didn't work. Western medicine is based on chemicals and Chinese medicine uses herbs therefore like most drugs, chemicals tend to be a lot stronger.

I believe that Shark Fin has no medical benefits but to say that all of chinese medicine is voodoo, is a joke. Even today in modern China people are still using chinese medicine even though western medicine is available. I dont think you are qualified to discredit a type of medicine that is still be using by good portion of the total population. There is a reason it was called the Dark Ages when cracking your head to cure disease was an option. I dont think people do that anymore because it didn't work?  

Western medicine is controlled by corporations therefore strongly influenced by capitalism. It works well but your body creates immunities to these medication which means eventually the benefits will decline. I try not to take any medicine since most of the time exercising and a healthy diet has kept the bugs away. But a the end of the day i'm glad i have the option to use western or eastern medicine. THEY both WORK! I felt better or else why would i buy more ??? lol

Getting back to the topic, Shark Fin soup was available thousands of years ago, and it always will be available in China.....also in Canada!  People honestly dont drink it for medical reason, its more of a way of show off your wealth. paying 50-100 bucks for a bowl gets expensive when your treating a group of people. Since most of the better areas of Vancouver/Richmond are predominately owned by Chinese immigrants, it will be hard to pass a ban in Vancouver or Richmond. It's been the same in the past that whoever has $$ will make the choices and in this case, Shark Fin stays on the MENU!


Only three Sharks are considered endangered by international trade and none were found from those shark fin samples! making it legal to sell!  http://bc.ctvnews.ca/endangered-shark-fins-sold-in-vancouver-probe-1.1066345
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 05, 2012, 10:58:54 PM
I don't think shark fin soup has a future.

I have a new business idea for those who enjoy showing their wealth.
Rare bonobo chimp pubic hair soup.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c160.0.403.403/p403x403/481767_445602292168689_663232069_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 06, 2012, 12:02:27 AM
I don't think shark fin soup has a future.

I have a new business idea for those who enjoy showing their wealth.
Rare bonobo chimp pubic hair soup.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c160.0.403.403/p403x403/481767_445602292168689_663232069_n.jpg)



Good thing what you say doesn't matter! Shark Fin soup is still on the menu and will be in the future too! We all know Richmond loves Shark Fin!

(http://www.richmond-news.com/7439902.bin)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Novabonker on December 06, 2012, 07:35:07 AM
Why would you post a picture of that bigoted cow? Only Asian media invited to her slopfest? I thought Canada was a nation of inclusion for ALL IT'S CITIZENS, not some racist buffoon, trying to curry favour.. That makes me wretch with disgust. Basing an event and it's invitations on ethnicity is pure, unadulterated bigotry, no matter how anyone would choose to spin it, it's utterly reprehensible.

Before I get dogpiled, think about it.  
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 06, 2012, 10:51:12 AM
Why would you post a picture of that bigoted cow? Only Asian media invited to her slopfest? I thought Canada was a nation of inclusion for ALL IT'S CITIZENS, not some racist buffoon, trying to curry favour.. That makes me wretch with disgust. Basing an event and it's invitations on ethnicity is pure, unadulterated bigotry, no matter how anyone would choose to spin it, it's utterly reprehensible.

Before I get dogpiled, think about it.  

Well it was an asian event, I dont see what the big deal is about hosting an asian event other than the Shark Fin portion of it. Lets say if they were serving blue fin tuna then it would be ok right ? Since it seem that there is a lot more concern over Sharks than Tuna. I think YOU should think about it and CALM down! There are tons of ethnicities that have their own events. There are even gatherings like Jewish Gatherings in Sinagogs where other religions aren't openly invited either!

The fact is, Richmond is an area that has a good portion of its populatoin being Chinese therefore it would be more surprising if they held an event like this in Chilliwack where there aren't that many Chinese people!  Next time if you ever go to an event and find that there is only white people around then I hope you call yourself a racist!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Novabonker on December 06, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
Bull biscuits - this is an event, a public event, held by an MP that represents EVERYONE in that riding, not just a particular race.She knew damn well not to invite any other media. Racism is an ugly facet of humanity and this debacle clearly represented that to a t. You can spin it as an "Asian Event" , but reach down deep and use your thinking cap. Nope that was racist, discriminatory, bigoted or whatever term you choose.

"Next time if you ever go to an event and find that there is only white people around then I hope you call yourself a racist! "
First off, I'm not an MP and secondly, my friends and family come in all flavors, sizes and shapes. That was a lame attempt at reverse psychology. And why do you assume I'm white? And what difference does that make, unless you're looking down at me?

"But history tells us that White people love exploiting other races and some "rednecks" still do." Gee Ed, you own that quote - your own bias is a shining example.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 06, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Bull biscuits - this is an event, a public event, held by an MP that represents EVERYONE in that riding, not just a particular race.She knew damn well not to invite any other media. Racism is an ugly facet of humanity and this debacle clearly represented that to a t. You can spin it as an "Asian Event" , but reach down deep and use your thinking cap. Nope that was racist, discriminatory, bigoted or whatever term you choose.

"Next time if you ever go to an event and find that there is only white people around then I hope you call yourself a racist! "
First off, I'm not an MP and secondly, my friends and family come in all flavors, sizes and shapes. That was a lame attempt at reverse psychology. And why do you assume I'm white? And what difference does that make, unless you're looking down at me?

"But history tells us that White people love exploiting other races and some "rednecks" still do." Gee Ed, you own that quote - your own bias is a shining example.

Yes so I hope next time i see a public even, there has to be people from every culture. Even Obama had a hispanic party in the White House, but I didn't see him host any Chinese party. Does that make him racist too ?? If that MP is trying to gain votes for the Chinese community I dont see why she has to invite other media, last time i checked this was a free country. There are tons of example of politicians going to events to please a specific minority group to gain votes.

I still believe that white people have probably done the most exploiting out of any other race in recent history. And its true that some rednecks in the US, had licence plates saying "dont renigg" during the elections. If you are white then it's pretty funny that you are crying about racism!

Alice had the rights to do whatever she wants to do in order to obtain popularity (MPs needs the majority to like her). If you live in Richmond and is unhappy about it then go protest or something. I'm pretty sure the majority of the Richmond population is fine about what she did ! And if you dont live in Richmond than honestly it has nothing to do with you because you dont even live there????

All this anti shark fin talk, I still see Shark Fin on the menu! The cause actually go worse considering Toronto's ban was lifted. Keep wasting time..... there will be happy immigrants to work instead of complain all the time !
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 06, 2012, 11:27:16 PM
LOL Ed,
you do voodoo
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 07, 2012, 12:45:06 AM
LOL Ed,
you do voodoo

If voodoo means shark fin then I do a lot of voodoo 8).  Voodoo sales has been going up in Vancouver and Richmond since the petition for ban. Keep it up!

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hkedition/2012-09/20/content_15769511.htm

Go Cathay Pacific!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Novabonker on December 07, 2012, 07:07:26 AM
Here you go Ed- your BS is being put to rest.Over 4 out of 5 came from endangered species?And the owner of the eatery that Alice ate at flat out refused to allow the shark fins he used to have some DNA testing done. Defend that. All to show the world how successful you are, wipe out a species at risk - AND I'll be back a bit later to drag Alice through the looking glass.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Shark+fins+from+endangered+species+sold+soup+Vancouver+area+tests+show/7661668/story.html

And here's a little read for a warm up before I get to the main points: (or is this just a pike of propaganda, written by white people?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 07, 2012, 11:53:26 AM
Here you go Ed- your BS is being put to rest.Over 4 out of 5 came from endangered species?And the owner of the eatery that Alice ate at flat out refused to allow the shark fins he used to have some DNA testing done. Defend that. All to show the world how successful you are, wipe out a species at risk - AND I'll be back a bit later to drag Alice through the looking glass.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Shark+fins+from+endangered+species+sold+soup+Vancouver+area+tests+show/7661668/story.html

And here's a little read for a warm up before I get to the main points: (or is this just a pike of propaganda, written by white people?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

Actually if you look into it more, only 3 species of Sharks are considered endangered by International Trade. And none of the Shark fin found sold in Vancouver were found to be illegal in "trade". Therefore Shark Fin activities in Canada is LEGAL. If it were illegal then the government might actually do something about it. Also your facts dont mean much when nothing is being done about it, especially when the judge recently just lifted a ban in Toronto, probably the city with the second highest shark fin soup consumption behind Vancouver. Also go search up which countries has contributed to the most extinct species..... China is up there but not the top

Also i dont get the purpose of you posting the link regarding slavery. Let me give you some History 101. During the period of time where there was feudalism/semi-feudalism the relationship between boss-employer was almost none existance. It was landlord/master - worker/slaves relationship during that period of time. However western civilziation took it to another level after the industrial revolution by abolishing slavrery for their own people and colonizing (search colonial period) other countries and shipping people from other countries to be slaves in Europe/North America. Slavery was one of the biggest driving force for Europe's economy and now that they can't exploit other countries... looking at their economy now! The third world countries should write a "thank you" note to the Germans during WW2 for weakening the European "superpowers" so that they had to give up their colonies!  

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE8B60G420121207

 looks like our grain companies are being sold too! doesn't look like the government will be pissing off the chinese community by banning Shark fin!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: DionJL on December 07, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
Regarding herbal remedies available through much of the world, I don't doubt there is some placebo effect when taking these. However, when a herbal remedy is proven through science to have a beneficial effect on humans, it is then considered "medicine". Aspirin for example is the worlds most widely used medicine. It was derived from the bark of a willow tree. A herbal remedy proven to work is now called medicine.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 07, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
Regarding herbal remedies available through much of the world, I don't doubt there is some placebo effect when taking these. However, when a herbal remedy is proven through science to have a beneficial effect on humans, it is then considered "medicine". Aspirin for example is the worlds most widely used medicine. It was derived from the bark of a willow tree. A herbal remedy proven to work is now called medicine.

Sure, many medicines have their roots in nature. A lot of them are also synthetic.
But there is a lot of "medicine" based on superstition, especially in China.
I don't know, maybe I'm just a child western medicine and don't buy into their "voodoo".
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 07, 2012, 04:09:33 PM
I don't believe Chinese herbal medicine is based on voodoo or superstition. Rather it is based on 5000 years of recorded civilization of endless trials and errors, with numerous herbs and food items consumed & tested by billions of Chinese throughout their long history, many of them probably died in the process, in order to come down with the present form of herbal medicines of China. It may not be based on double blind studies, but enough usage and repetitions of testing the herbs give the herbal doctors a good idea what work and what don't. There are pros and cons for both western and Chinese herbal medicines. There are mal-practices in both forms of medicines and they have both harmed and helped patients through out human history. While you point the finger to Chinese herbal medicines, don't forget also how Jacko 'the king of pop' and Whiteney Houston died. There is no need to highlight the good of one and the bad of the other. They both have merits and faults. Unless you are well versed with Chinese herbal medicines, using blanket statements to label our traditional herbal medicines as voodoo or superstition show nothing but arrogance or ignorance. Shark fins are not mostly consumed for medicinal purpose. So there is no need to defame Chinese herbal medicine for this debate.  ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 07, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
I don't believe Chinese herbal medicine is based on voodoo or superstition. Rather it is based on 5000 years of recorded civilization of endless trials and errors, with numerous herbs and food items consumed & tested by billions of Chinese throughout their long history, many of them probably died in the process, in order to come down with the present form of herbal medicines of China. It may not be based on double blind studies, but enough usage and repetitions of testing the herbs give the herbal doctors a good idea what work and what don't. There are pros and cons for both western and Chinese herbal medicines. There are mal-practices in both forms of medicines and they have both harmed and helped patients through out human history. While you point the finger to Chinese herbal medicines, don't forget also how Jacko 'the king of pop' and Whiteney Houston died. There is no need to highlight the good of one and the bad of the other. They both have merits and faults. Unless you are well versed with Chinese herbal medicines, using blanket statements to label our traditional herbal medicines as voodoo or superstition show nothing but arrogance or ignorance. Shark fins are not mostly consumed for medicinal purpose. So there is no need to defame Chinese herbal medicine for this debate.  ;)

I can`t agree more with your post. The whole concept of Western/Eastern medicine is different. One tries to cure you from the root which might take longer where as antibiotics will just killl the virus off. I`ve personally had both Chinese and Western medicine, both works but after many years of eating western medicine some of the chinese stuff just isn`t strong enough.

Adriaticum hmm how do i say in my chinese voodoo, for you, talking about medicine is like a cow trying to play the piano! I think that sums it up pretty well. Nobody expects you to buy into chinese voodoo because you are used to western medicine which is based on capitalism! Also nobody needs you to because China alone is enough of a market. You are no child of western medicine, your intellegent as a whole can be described as a child. Just because there are some superstisians that say eating tiger penis will make you strong like tiger,  doesn`t make chinese medicine voodoo.

You might want to fix your attitude towards othe cultures because one day your employer might or already is an immigrant  8)

http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCABRE8B60G420121207
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: adriaticum on December 08, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
I don't believe Chinese herbal medicine is based on voodoo or superstition. Rather it is based on 5000 years of recorded civilization of endless trials and errors, with numerous herbs and food items consumed & tested by billions of Chinese throughout their long history, many of them probably died in the process, in order to come down with the present form of herbal medicines of China. It may not be based on double blind studies, but enough usage and repetitions of testing the herbs give the herbal doctors a good idea what work and what don't. There are pros and cons for both western and Chinese herbal medicines. There are mal-practices in both forms of medicines and they have both harmed and helped patients through out human history. While you point the finger to Chinese herbal medicines, don't forget also how Jacko 'the king of pop' and Whiteney Houston died. There is no need to highlight the good of one and the bad of the other. They both have merits and faults. Unless you are well versed with Chinese herbal medicines, using blanket statements to label our traditional herbal medicines as voodoo or superstition show nothing but arrogance or ignorance. Shark fins are not mostly consumed for medicinal purpose. So there is no need to defame Chinese herbal medicine for this debate.  ;)

Iliketofish, you know you are right.
They don't eat shark fin soup for medicinal purposes.
Just to show off how much money they have.
The more reason to switch to Bonobo pubic hair soup.
There are fewer bonobos than sharks in the world.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 08, 2012, 03:00:12 PM
Iliketofish, you know you are right.
They don't eat shark fin soup for medicinal purposes.
Just to show off how much money they have.
The more reason to switch to Bonobo pubic hair soup.
There are fewer bonobos than sharks in the world.

Whats the value on something that can regrow ? lol. You may prefer to eat pubic hair but Chinese people dont eat it. Take that idea to the dragon's den and let them do the explaining why they dont use bonobo pubic hair for soup. It doesn't has to be someone that is Chinese, to tell you that your idea is just bad.  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 09, 2012, 12:07:23 PM
Forget about herbal medicine. Sharks should be harvested just like any animal species except those proven endangered by credible sources, not from PETA or those piloting the anti-shark-fin movement, the animal rights fanatics. This is a real threat to anybody if sharks, even the plentiful stocks, are totally off limit to regulated harvest. If according to the stats put forth by these animal rights groups, 70 millions sharks are spared annually if shark harvest is stopped, then these hungry sharks will devour anything on their way, including us humans who swim, surf or dive as part of our recreational activities. Can't imagine how anybody will feel safe to go into the water like this poor guy did, even in such shallow water, if hundreds of million of shark are spared and hungry from dwindling food sources due to over-population. But then if you are not the one going into the water, or living near shark infested water, you will probably don't give a damn about the danger people risk. It is just human nature if it is the business of somebody else.

This video has close to 50 million views on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQV_WcltnsA

Welcome to the beaches of Florida. Just stay dry and safe on land.  ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: troutbreath on December 10, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Either your in their soup or they are in ours.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on December 10, 2012, 09:33:45 AM
Either your in their soup or they are in ours.

I'd rather see them in Soup than see them while i'm swimming.... thats just me though.....


http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters/article/1298825--shark-fin-ruling-prompts-idea

Scott not very smart!
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on December 10, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
Stop being a racist, Scott. Now that shark-fin ban is lifted, you want to start another racist attack on the Chinese and their culture just so to perpetuate hate against Chinese. I was in HK & China for 20+ years and never heard bear paw used by anyone. I have been here in Canada for 30+ years and I have never heard any of my Chinese friends ever tasted or have the intent to taste bear paws. Be real, how many of the bear hunters are Chinese? Why don't you point your finger at all those non-Chinese trophy hunters who go out to kill the bears just for bragging rights and showing off?  By the way, your bear-paw restaurant will be bankrupt in no time, because no one will go there to eat, and there will be death threats against you from the fanatics.  :D ;D  If you are so keen on protecting your teddy bears, why don't you start a campaign to stop hunting bears in BC and see if the Canadian hunters will back you up.  ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on January 05, 2013, 06:55:01 PM
Western media is bashing Chinese tradition again, how dare they to be so racist? There's nothing wrong with this at all. ::)

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/50552/alarming+sight+thousands+of+shark+fins+drying+on+hong+kong+rooftop/
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Ed on January 06, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
Western media is bashing Chinese tradition again, how dare they to be so racist? There's nothing wrong with this at all. ::)

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/50552/alarming+sight+thousands+of+shark+fins+drying+on+hong+kong+rooftop/


Looks delicious. I wonder how many fishermen families those Fins will be feeding..... since most of those fins go to China, might want to ban  shark fin there instead of in municipalities in Canada that dont even sell Shark Fin. 0 Sharks saved... keep up the good work people!

Might want to focus banning the barbaric act of killing dolphins, something is definetley wrong when people from developed nations like Denmark and Japan are slaughtering life for fun!
http://rense.com/general88/barb.htm

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6TMwsAARSg/TEElRu5ewHI/AAAAAAAADLY/TLQt_baPwWI/s1600/dolphins-beink-illed-in-japon%5B1%5D.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6TMwsAARSg/TEElRu5ewHI/AAAAAAAADLY/TLQt_baPwWI/s1600/dolphins-beink-illed-in-japon%5B1%5D.jpg)

Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on January 06, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Looks delicious.

Yep, keep trolling. Any intelligent being can see that you've already discredit yourself by going from a post like this (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28611.msg272738#msg272738) to what you have written in the last few pages.

See ya, your participation on this discussion forum is no longer welcome.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: absolon on January 06, 2013, 12:19:47 PM

Looks delicious. I wonder how many fishermen families those Fins will be feeding..... since most of those fins go to China, might want to ban  shark fin there instead of in municipalities in Canada that dont even sell Shark Fin. 0 Sharks saved... keep up the good work people!

Might want to focus banning the barbaric act of killing dolphins, something is definetley wrong when people from developed nations like Denmark and Japan are slaughtering life for fun!
http://rense.com/general88/barb.htm

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6TMwsAARSg/TEElRu5ewHI/AAAAAAAADLY/TLQt_baPwWI/s1600/dolphins-beink-illed-in-japon%5B1%5D.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x6TMwsAARSg/TEElRu5ewHI/AAAAAAAADLY/TLQt_baPwWI/s1600/dolphins-beink-illed-in-japon%5B1%5D.jpg)



Ed, your comments say much more about you than they do the subject.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on January 06, 2013, 04:53:20 PM
http://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/posts/10151234866327712 :)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
http://www.facebook.com/fishingwithrod/posts/10151234866327712 :)
Finnnally ;)
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Fisherbob on January 06, 2013, 09:28:27 PM
Thank you Rod. You have hit the nail on the head. It seems that our media these days are making the news rather than reporting the news.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Novabonker on January 08, 2013, 06:28:55 AM
Thank you Sir Rod. After spending the last week with a very sick son at Children's Hospital, a little sunshine is a very welcome thing.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: liketofish on January 14, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
I agree his use of delicious wordings is a bit too strong in this case and is unnecessary for the debate. I hope he is not banned because he, like me, takes the stance to defend the cultural practice of the Chinese to eat shark-fin soup in ceremonial ocassions. As far as I know, most cultural Chinese in HK, China, Taiwan and wherever they live in the world are not anti-shark-fin. Some are, particularly those grown up or educated in the West. But they are not the majority. I hope that people's voice don't get shut down even if they disagree with those who are for the ban. This is a democracy and a plural society. Opposing voices should be heard and debated without threat of punishment. Why not just take out the objectional wordings with a warning instead of banning his voice? But his FB page is obviously distasteful and cross the line.

His counter argument above on unfair media exposure is not out of reach of fair reasoning. While the HK picture is a bit offensive to some viewers, the Denmark picture is equally offensive to some, and both photos were probably taken from people out there to prove human's insensitivity to animals. His point is that why not more of the western media pushing the anti-dolphin button with the kind of vigor and coverage as the anti-shark hunt movement? That has been a universal point of unfairness shared by most cultural chinese, that they are being made a scape goat by the western media.

I am more for countries to work together to protect shark species which are scientifically proven endangered, and protect others with substainable quota and enforceable regulations. Sharks, whales, dolphins, blue-fin tuna, sturgeon should all be regulated with quota. Endangered species should be protected. The other sharks should be allowed to be harvested just like other more plentiful tuna and fishes.
Title: Re: Sharkfin Soup
Post by: Rodney on September 14, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
Progress, better late than never.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srsKrWHKUOg