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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zackattack on October 28, 2011, 01:42:45 AM

Title: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Zackattack on October 28, 2011, 01:42:45 AM
I noticed commercial fishing boats setting up nets on the lower fraser before steveston between ladner and richmond today. Are they gillnetting coho? chum? Wouldnt this risk Thompson Steelhead?
Im curious what these boats were up to..
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: silver ghost on October 28, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
X2
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: gman on October 28, 2011, 12:22:43 PM
Most years they do a chum fishery about this time of year. It's lways controversial because of the Thompson steehead. Doubly so this year since chum numbers are low.  :(
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Rodney on October 28, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
First Nations communal chum salmon openings.

Because the current estimated run size is below the 800k escapement requirement, there are no commercial (including First Nations' economic opportunities) and recreational openings expected in the Fraser River.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: DeeAngler on October 28, 2011, 05:31:59 PM
First Nations communal chum salmon openings.

Because the current estimated run size is below the 800k escapement requirement, there are no commercial (including First Nations' economic opportunities) and recreational openings expected in the Fraser River.

Couldn't find this anywhere in DFO's openings.  ???

So they've closed everyone down for a so called communal opening @ the peak of the run ... by what the test sets now show? PRICELESS!!!

btw - the effect??? ...


Oct 26 2011 1 1 Albion 0 0 0 0 56 1 0 1
Oct 26 2011 1 2 Albion 0 0 0 0 104 1 0 0
Oct 27 2011 1 1 Albion 0 0 0 0 (8)1 0 1 <<< ... was this after the opening?
Oct 27 2011 1 2 Albion 0 0 1 0 48 0 0 0
Oct 28 2011 1 1 Albion 0 0 4 0 70 2 2 3 <<< ... geez 2 more T steel?
Oct 28 2011 1 2 Albion 0 0 2 0 26 0 0 0
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Rodney on October 28, 2011, 05:37:40 PM
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 28, 2011, 05:56:56 PM
Another brilliant move by DFO >:(
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: JPW on October 28, 2011, 06:05:56 PM
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html

Unbelievable  :-[
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: ynot on October 28, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
 i hear commecials took about 1 million lbs. of chum in johnstone straits in oct. now the fraser is in trouble with 500,000 fish.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: chris gadsden on October 28, 2011, 07:28:35 PM
Unfortunately mismanagement once again, sad.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: BwiBwi on October 28, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Unless natives' fishing rights are revoked, DFO has no choice.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: DeeAngler on October 29, 2011, 09:23:21 AM
Unless natives' fishing rights are revoked, DFO has no choice.

It's not that just DFO has a choice ... the natives have a choice also. I'm sure the band leaders are well aware of the chum return situation. IS this communal necessary, on top of their sockeye?
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: bigblue on October 29, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
Poor chums get bonked for their big eggs more than anything else as their meat is not much of a table fare for most people.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: lovetofish on October 29, 2011, 12:14:43 PM
Unless natives' fishing rights are revoked, DFO has no choice.

 I thought that conservation concerns trumped even native fisheries.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: ynot on October 29, 2011, 01:23:50 PM
correct conservation trumps native rights, but the commercial fleet should have been shut down weeks ago. dfo states that test fishing early oct showed in dna 35-40 percent fraser river chums,then the seiners did the job. thats why they are not in the fraser.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: silver ghost on October 29, 2011, 11:30:59 PM
what does hang ratio refer to as it says in the fishery report? "hang ratio 3:1"?
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Rodney on October 30, 2011, 01:07:38 AM
Hanging ratio is determined by the length and height of the net, which determine the type and size of the holes.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: BwiBwi on October 30, 2011, 03:31:36 AM
I thought that conservation concerns trumped even native fisheries.

Native communal openings are granted unless a fish stock is really low.  At this time chum numbers are high enough that communal opening requests from native bands have to be granted.
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Dennis.t on October 30, 2011, 05:15:34 AM
Two of thier boats ran into each other a week ago all boozed up while fishing for chum in the lower fraser and the coast guard had to pull the wrecked boats into shore!
Title: Re: what are commercial fleet fishing for?
Post by: Zackattack on October 30, 2011, 05:20:14 PM
kk thanks for the answers guys
Just thought it was odd seeing those boats out cuz that was a day or 2 after the chum were closed in the tidal for us recreational fishers so i thot wtf I havnt even had a chance to go chumming! It was gonna be my first time trying for chum too.
Oh welll lets hope they didnt take em all