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Title: New waders!
Post by: milo on October 23, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Amazing that there is so much difference in size and fit between two different wader models in size XXL. ???

Ever since William Joseph came up with the new version of their excellent Drynamic waders, I have wanted them. I ordered a pair in size XXL through Fred's tackle, but unfortunately, they didn't fit me properly. They are meant for someone not taller than 6'1". They would be perfect for a stockier guy around 5'10' - 6' and between 230-260 pounds. As a result, I had to leave them at Fred's and look for alternatives within my wader budget of 300 bucks.

After trying out a bunch of other models, today I became the proud owner of a new set of BARE's Adams waders. They fit me very comfortably, and I had them on all day and made them work quite hard. So far so good. Hopefully, they won't develop a leak in the crotch area like their predecessor. Looking forward to several fishing seasons out of them.

If someone wants to check out the William Joseph Drynamic waders in XXL at Fred's, by all means do so.
You didn't hear it from me, but Fred is willing to let them go at a very good price (better than USA price) ;).
It is a one-time deal, as Fred doesn't carry WJ waders on a regular basis.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Nitroholic on October 24, 2011, 10:32:58 AM
I don't like how the neoprene boot attaches to the wader on the Bares, it looks and feels like it won't hold up compared to how Simms does there's. Has anyone experienced this?
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Rp3Flyfisher on October 24, 2011, 12:19:07 PM
I don't like how the neoprene boot attaches to the wader on the Bares, it looks and feels like it won't hold up compared to how Simms does there's. Has anyone experienced this?

You are 100% correct, but Bare's cost 1/4 what Simms cost, so if they last a few seasons, you could get at least 3 pairs of Bare's for the Price of on pair of Simms that last 5 years.

Bare did have some issues in the past with leakage in the crotch on the Breathables, but talking to the reps, it seems as though they finally have it sorted out. If so, the Bare waders are VERY good for the price.

Milo, let me know how they are, would be interesting to see how they perform in the winter.

Rick

Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: milo on October 24, 2011, 02:38:48 PM

Milo, let me know how they are, would be interesting to see how they perform in the winter.

I sure will.
I have been given the go ahead by Fred to kick the crap out of them, per request of the manufacturer. If anything fails, I should let them know. BARE really believes they've scored a killer product in that price range. I believe they are right, but time will tell.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: bcguy on October 24, 2011, 02:46:35 PM
Buddy of mine just bought a pair of them, I would have as well, but ended up buying a pair of Simms Freestones, after deciding I wanted some new boots as well.
Should be an interesting trial by comparison, neither of us is easy on our gear, and are not the park and fish types. I'll let you know how well either one performs, after a   Steelheading season trapsing around on the Chehailis and Vedder. ;D
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Banny on October 24, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Although I cannot comment directly on the waders, my dad purchased a Bare Adams wading jacket during the last steelhead season.  We have fished through some very nasty weather and done some decent bushwacking since he bought it and the jacket has held up very well.  He is very happy with it after getting soaked/having issues with a few cheapish jackets in the previous few salmon/steelhead seasons.  It is very well designed imo from the cuff design, hood design, overall fit etc.

I hope the same can be said for the waders from their new line up.

Jordan
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2011, 04:05:25 PM
I'm a big fan of Bare; used my 5 year old Blackwaters today on the Vedder with no issues.  Was looking kinda outa place however as my 2 partners, both from this forum, were in Simms ;D
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: leadbelly on October 27, 2011, 06:34:44 AM
Ive yet to go more than one salmon season in my Bares without leaks, big leaks
although an older pair of the lighter Cuthroats lasted 3 or 4 years, unlike the newer ones
now I hear they wont repair or replace them?
riiiiiip off
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on October 27, 2011, 07:57:02 AM
I have gone 6 seasons in my William Joseph Drynamics. I now have a small hole in the foot. ( so not the waders fault as I must have stepped on something ) anyone buying the William Joseph waders will get a great pair.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: leapin' tyee on April 21, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
I sure will.
I have been given the go ahead by Fred to kick the crap out of them, per request of the manufacturer. If anything fails, I should let them know. BARE really believes they've scored a killer product in that price range. I believe they are right, but time will tell.

Hey Milo

                Any update on your Bare Adam waders ?  I just notice Fred's is no longer selling Bare breathable waders anymore ???
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Trout Slayer on April 21, 2012, 10:33:09 AM
Bare and William Joseph are garbage. You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on April 21, 2012, 01:42:32 PM
Bare and William Joseph are garbage. You get what you pay for.

Really? Do you know from experience? Which ones did you own? I would say six seasons on mine is pretty damn good.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: milo on April 21, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
Hey Milo

                Any update on your Bare Adam waders ?  I just notice Fred's is no longer selling Bare breathable waders anymore ???

They are still fine, but I haven't really used them much yet.

I spoke to Fred's about them not carrying the BARE breathable line anymore and sadly, it seems that generally speaking Bare's new breathables are not holding up very well.
That's too bad because BARE customer service is among the best out there.
Since I bought my Bare waders at Fred's, they offered me to upgrade me to a Simms product for a reasonable fee if my BARE waders get to develop a leak while in warranty.
We'll see. This summer will tell.

Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: DionJL on April 21, 2012, 07:45:34 PM
Really? Do you know from experience? Which ones did you own? I would say six seasons on mine is pretty damn good.

6 seasons with 20 days a season in them? That's about as much as Trout Slayer fishes in a year. I've had issues with Bare waders as well. Though this was years ago.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: hue-nut on April 21, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
6 seasons with 20 days a season in them? That's about as much as Trout Slayer fishes in a year. I've had issues with Bare waders as well. Though this was years ago.

Good point Dion, a "season" for some could be a decade for others. IMO when it comes to waders you cannot beat Simms.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: joshhowat on April 21, 2012, 09:08:23 PM
I nuked a pair of g3 from July to febuary..... Told Simms and bang I'm rocking new g4 now for only the differents in g3 to g4.

Now I fish every weekend of my life and after work as much as possible and mainly hiking around the canyon.

Josh
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on April 21, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
6 seasons with 20 days a season in them? That's about as much as Trout Slayer fishes in a year. I've had issues with Bare waders as well. Though this was years ago.

Nope more than that but thats not what my question was.

Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Geff_t on April 21, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
Hey Milo

                Any update on your Bare Adam waders ?  I just notice Fred's is no longer selling Bare breathable waders anymore ???


I have the vedders and they have been way better then I expected. I owned simms for the last 6 years and when I needed new waders this past fall and when Bare was saying how great these new line of waders where I decided to try them out. The first thing that worried me was whether or not they would have the right size for me as I am rather on the large side at 6'2" and 300lbs but I was able too find the perfect size. These waders will definatly stand up with no issues with seams in the crotch area as they have moved the seams so that they are on the front and back.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Trout Slayer on April 22, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
Nope more than that but thats not what my question was.
I had a pair of the William Joseph Drynamics, the croch was leaking with less then 10 days on them. Had a pair of the mean green Bare Blackwaters, they lasted a little longer but same problem, croch blew out, dont know how many tubes of aquaseal went on them before finally going in the garbage. Currently wearing a pair of Simms G3's and highly recommend their products. Have had some minor leaking in the legs but the crotch has been solid.

As Dion said though, I do fish a good 150-200 days a year in them. ;D
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on April 22, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
I had a pair of the William Joseph Drynamics, the croch was leaking with less then 10 days on them. Had a pair of the mean green Bare Blackwaters, they lasted a little longer but same problem, croch blew out, dont know how many tubes of aquaseal went on them before finally going in the garbage. Currently wearing a pair of Simms G3's and highly recommend their products. Have had some minor leaking in the legs but the crotch has been solid.

As Dion said though, I do fish a good 150-200 days a year in them. ;D

Have kids and that 150-220 will go down to about 50 like me LOL

I have the drynamics and the only hole is in the foot. I think I must have stepped on something as its on the bottom of the foot. Like I said I had them for 6 years and only paid $100 for them off Ebay. I have no idea what my next pair will be yet. I like the zipper idea so I would want that. After hearing about Bares problems I wont go that route.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: kingpin on April 22, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
no matter how much you spend they all leak in the end....I had 4 pairs of blackwaters and they held up about as well as G3's..my G4s are slightly better though they had a slight calf leak from around my 10th trip...about a year now and both calfs leak now though not badly. I wouldnt buy WJ waders after watching my brother destroy a pair in steelhead season...though this is fishing multiple days a week and crashing through bushes, still they didnt hold up as well as most.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: leapin' tyee on April 23, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
.my G4s are slightly better though they had a slight calf leak from around my 10th trip...about a year now and both calfs leak now though not badly.

Wow, I thought the Simms G4 are bulletproof, can you claim under warranty after a year or the $500 dollars down to the drain ?
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: typhoon on April 23, 2012, 09:52:46 AM
Wow, I thought the Simms G4 are bulletproof, can you claim under warranty after a year or the $500 dollars down to the drain ?
x2
I have close to 100 trips on my G3's and so far they are bulletproof - and I fish some tough bush with lots of walking/crawling every trip.
Maybe yours don't fit well?
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Brian the fisherman on April 23, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
I fish the vedder every day give or take a few and i use bare lightning neo's
had them for 3 years and never had a leak.
as for what trout slayer said.. i disagree 100% if you take care of your stuff, and take the appropriate measures they will last along time.
for 99$ ive been dry for 3 years so 350++ days a year of fishing and im still dry.

a big tip for neo would be to put a large pair of thick wool socks on the boots. prevents ware and other leaks from the foot.
if you really want to waste money.

My father and his friend both wasted 600$ on sims to find they ware down faster than mine they leak at the crotch and the heel. their pairs are the breathable kind so not sure if thats the difference in the length of time they last.

i digress dad wasted $600 and he has wet feet
i spend 99 dollars and im dry.


Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Stratocaster on April 23, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
Brian, you are comparing apples to oranges here.  Neos last way longer than breathables but breathables are way more comfortable to use.  That is why the majority of the waders you see on the river nowadays are breathables.  Many years ago I used neos and sure they lasted years and years of use and abuse.  After wearing breathables, I hardly touch my neos anymore.  The two are not comparable IMHO.

They say there are two kinds of breathable waders, the ones that leak and the ones that are going to leak.  Just can't get around that.  You have a choice to spend lots of money on breathables that will last longer or go the less expensive route and hope they last longer than one year.  All the breathables that I've owned eventually leaked.  Some after one year, some after two or three.  The important thing is to go with a brand that stands behind their product and has a good return/repair policy.  Make sure you get your waders properly fitted (improper fitting is a common source of many leaking problems) and maybe have a backup pair around so you won't be left without a pair while your waders are being returned/repaired.

Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: kingpin on April 23, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
x2
I have close to 100 trips on my G3's and so far they are bulletproof - and I fish some tough bush with lots of walking/crawling every trip.
Maybe yours don't fit well?

they fit well... i  had leaks everywhere in my G3s after a year...marine gooped them everywhere and got another year out of them, they need to be re gooped as they are pretty bad now... my G4s leaked pretty early and i didnt even bother to send them back and wont now either, ill patch them myself...not even worth not having waders waiting on warranty, plus they dont do any better job from factory that you can do yourself.... i may look into dan bailey lightweights next...i got good deals on ebay for my G3s and G4s but still not worth twice the cost of similar waders
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: Brian the fisherman on April 24, 2012, 10:48:18 AM
very good point statocaster.
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: tnt on April 26, 2012, 04:36:20 PM
I kill G4 every 6 months any other wafer would be 2 months. I don't wear my waders I live in them. 250-300 days a year. U get what u pay for and there for I wear simms
Title: Re: New waders!
Post by: milo on April 27, 2012, 07:17:27 PM
I kill G4 every 6 months any other wafer would be 2 months. I don't wear my waders I live in them. 250-300 days a year. U get what u pay for and there for I wear simms

That's a job, not a hobby. You don't do a job with a hobbyist's tool.
I'd also buy the best waders money can buy if I lived in them.

But IMO, for the angler that puts anywhere between 1-50 days a year ( like most of us family people with non-fishing related jobs do), spending 700+ on a pair of G4's is simply overkil. Most non-professional rods I know who wear high end waders and boots do so out of sheer snobbery, not need.