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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Morty on October 06, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
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This is a special 'kind' of fishing report. One where You're requested to keep your eyes open and report back.
In correspondence with Alexandra Morton today she asked me to keep my eyes open for any yellow Pinks. Yes, coloured yellow. It's apparent;y cause by a suspected jaundice type disease now being detected in some of Pink salmon. See Alex's latest blog at:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2011/10/open-letter-to-fisheries-and-oceans-canada.html
Let's do what we can to help not only maintain, but build-up our native fish stocks.
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Hmm, okay so what should be done if one is located?
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That letter needs to be given to the opposition party to the Conservative government. Take it all the way to the top. Give it to the local Member of Parliament and then you'll get an answer from the DFO minister. Ridiculous. What other types of mutant salmon are in the rivers now. This bothers me a lot.
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thought i saw two a couple weeks ago while camped at thurston meadows in the little pool out front the camp, they were prety yellow looking was weird.
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I ate one.
Tasted like lemon.
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Looks ok for the smoker ;).
Joking aside, that's definitely a concern. As BwiBwi posted, what should be the course of action if one is found?
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Someone who caught one of those this season should post it up on fish porno thread.
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For some context here. I have been handling pinks on the Fraser since 1975 and even then a few pinks were observed with a yellow look. Link this to some of A. Morton's queries and don't be duped into a unfounded witch hunt.
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Looks ok for the smoker ;).
Joking aside, that's definitely a concern. As BwiBwi posted, what should be the course of action if one is found?
hahaha the smoker comments get me everytime, lol
the spawned out fish in the totes at weaver creek are destined for the smoker too right? hahaha
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Hmm, okay so what should be done if one is located?
Here's Alexandra's request:
Optimally I could get them fresh on ice. Second best take pictures, let me know where, when, species, how many, condition of the fish whether they spawned or not if they are dead, open them up and photo the liver, and other organs...
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For some context here. I have been handling pinks on the Fraser since 1975 and even then a few pinks were observed with a yellow look. Link this to some of A. Morton's queries and don't be duped into a unfounded witch hunt.
If AM actually wrote that letter she should be ashamed. She got so many facts wrong I wonder about her biological degree. C’mon AM, these fish are dying; their livers are failing and their bile ducts (that green/yellow organ near the liver, that turns the inside of your fish yellow when you accidently cut it) are enlarging, hence the yellowing. Very common and shows especially well on pale coloured moribund salmon, like pinks and white chinooks.
Pre spawning mortality of Harrison sockeye was happening back when I started in 1970, and according to FN people I believe, forever.
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If AM actually wrote that letter she should be ashamed. She got so many facts wrong I wonder about her biological degree. C’mon AM, these fish are dying; their livers are failing and their bile ducts (that green/yellow organ near the liver, that turns the inside of your fish yellow when you accidently cut it) are enlarging, hence the yellowing. Very common and shows especially well on pale coloured moribund salmon, like pinks and white chinooks.
Pre spawning mortality of Harrison sockeye was happening back when I started in 1970, and according to FN people I believe, forever.
Hi Dave, Maybe you can help me, and other readers, understand your comments a bit better.
What does "back when I started" mean? Started what?
How many pre-spawning corpses did you actually see in the 70's?
Did the First Nations people used to see a few pre-spawn corpses or 100's?
Do you have a biological degree?
How can a dying liver change the colour of skull cartilage if the liver has not been cut?
How long does it take a dying liver to discolour skull cartilage?
Are you employed in the salmon farming industry?
Maybe Rodney can add his educated opinions ad well please.
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Ya, I have to agree with Dave..."brain tumors", "viral related jaundice", "increased mortality", "similar virus found in Chile", "fish farms studying viruses killing farmed chinook",....ya, certainly sounds like a witch hunt to me ::) Please pull your head out of the sand!
Dave, do happen to hold stock in some major BC based fish farming op, employed by a fish farm, etc, etc,?
Just curious because any ONE of those things is enough for me to be concerned as to the actual cause of these issues, the source of the disease, and the over all impact on BC, wild salmon. I would think that anyone with a vested interest in BCs wild fish would care and demand hard answers from the the body that governs how these fish farms do business ...the same body that is also responsible for wild salmon.
Maybe do don't care as much as the rest of us or maybe you have an "invested" interest lying somewhere other than with wild fish?
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Hi Dave, Maybe you can help me, and other readers, understand your comments a bit better.
What does "back when I started" mean? Started what?
How many pre-spawning corpses did you actually see in the 70's?
Did the First Nations people used to see a few pre-spawn corpses or 100's?
Do you have a biological degree?
How can a dying liver change the colour of skull cartilage if the liver has not been cut?
How long does it take a dying liver to discolour skull cartilage?
Are you employed in the salmon farming industry?
Maybe Rodney can add his educated opinions ad well please.
Morty, I retired after 37 years with the IPSFC and DFO nearly 4 years ago. Among other duties I provided technical support to DFO, UBC and SFU scientists for research into pre spawning mortality issues relating to Fraser River sockeye. Much of this work involved immune defiencies, stress cortisol measurements, parasite loading and, basic biological cell death.
I do not have a degree; instead, much scientific sampling experience.
I have captured, killed, sampled and histologically examined thousands of adult salmonids over my career.
Salmonid livers and kidneys, along with all other organs, change function in fresh water; with no nutrients (returning adult salmonids cannot digest or metabolize food) to work on the liver retains glycogen and begins to atrophy, become more dense, shrink somewhat and change from the deep blood red color typical of a healthy new -run fish to a green-grey hue, often turning almost yellow. All anglers who have taken early run fish and then, later run fish will have noticed this difference, along with the much larger gall bladder on more sexually mature fish.
Ms. Morton has probably named the condition, “jaundice” correctly. How the liver colors skull tissue I can’t answer; maybe much the way a human with a failing liver would have a yellowish skin color.
This liver breakdown resulting in a yellowish hue is a natural occurrence and is entirely normal. Some fish, especially male pinks, seem to exhibit this.
My statements regarding FN having observed PSM on the Harrison is based on conservations I have had with Chehalis elders. They have long held that Weaver, Big Silver, etc sockeye stocks enter Harrison Lake early and hold below the thermocline, much like Cultus and Chilliwack Lake sockeye. Whenever stocks enter freshwater earlier than normal PSM is common. Death is most often caused by kidney failure due to a parasite named Parvicapsula
No, I do not have any financial interest in BC fish farms but I do support them as I believe they are and will be an important part of BC’s future economy. Wish I could say the same of wild salmonids.
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Thanks Dave - your additional information does help with understanding of your earlier comments :-)
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No, I do not have any financial interest in BC fish farms but I do support them as I believe they are and will be an important part of BC’s future economy. Wish I could say the same of wild salmonids.
I think that, regardless of how the "yellow salmon" story plays out, this comment may have cost you any credibility you may have had on this forum, Dave. To write off wild salmon the way you do, on a forum dedicated to fishing (anyone here ever fish in a fish farm?), is perplexing.That you put the economic interests of fish farmers ahead of wild salmon and the economic activities both commercial and recreational that they support, not to mention their value to First Nations and the natural ecosystems of the BC Coast is shockingly disappointing, Dave. Fish farms have absolutely no place in BC other than economic, and as long as economic imperatives govern environmental considerations, wild salmon will have no chance, ultimately costing the BC economy billions of dollars in economic activity and even more in priceless biodiversity. Fish Farms may, in the end, not be responsible for the decline of wild salmon stocks, but it is obvious to anyone who has seen the correlations that they cannot be helping wild stocks, and their potential for harm is too great a risk for the small economic gain they offer.
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I think that, regardless of how the "yellow salmon" story plays out, this comment may have cost you any credibility you may have had on this forum, Dave. To write off wild salmon the way you do, on a forum dedicated to fishing (anyone here ever fish in a fish farm?), is perplexing.
I guess Dave can speak for himself but that seems a bit of a leap in interpreting his comment. I thought he just meant that DFO is looking after the fish farms and not wild salmon.
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I guess Dave can speak for himself but that seems a bit of a leap in interpreting his comment. I thought he just meant that DFO is looking after the fish farms and not wild salmon.
Oh, and I thought he said that fish farms have a future in the BC economy, not wild salmon. Not sure how to interpret it another way.
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Sandman, I am not "giving up " on wild salmon; most people who know me understand that. Please refer to some of my previous posts.
I am also a keen and avid angler, and most certainly know and understand the cultural needs of FN. Perhaps more than you know ;)
I believe with climate change, human population increases, future electrical needs, etc, etc, wild salmon have a dismal future but I do and will continue to work for them.
Are you?
And yes, I do indeed think salmon aquaculture and wild salmon can and will co-exist in BC and will play a factor in this Province's growth.
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Sandman, I am not "giving up " on wild salmon; most people who know me understand that. Please refer to some of my previous posts.
I am also a keen and avid angler, and most certainly know and understand the cultural needs of FN. Perhaps more than you know ;)
I believe with climate change, human population increases, future electrical needs, etc, etc, wild salmon have a dismal future but I do and will continue to work for them.
Are you?
And yes, I do indeed think salmon aquaculture and wild salmon can and will co-exist in BC and will play a factor in this Province's growth.
Dave,
You will have to forgive me if I take your most recent posts as evidence you having thrown in the towel, as it certain sounds like you have. And your comments above do not sound any less defeatist. Aquaculture is born of a sense that wild salmon are no longer "economical." This is why we decided to farm them in the first place is it not? To make them more economical? I am not saying aquaculture itself cannot be a good thing either, it does offer a potential to the take pressure off wild stocks to satisfy our gastronomic desires. I am saying we can no longer allow economic imperatives alone guide our decision making. The choice to farm Atlantic Salmon in open net pens on the BC coast was a BAD idea, made worse by the subsequent bad decisions to try and manage them at the risk to wild stocks (such as the use of antibiotics to combat disease in overcrowded pens). Aquaculture on the BC coast needs to be environmentally sustainable and responsible, and open net farming of Atlantic salmon on our fragile coast is neither. Support our wild salmon by saying no to farmed Atlantic salmon on the BC coast. They belong in Atlantic Canada, not here. Nova Scotians need jobs too.
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Letting salmon farmers use the cheapest/more harmful way of raising fish, shows what the brightist and the best call fish and chips dease day's.
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I thought it was fair and forthcoming of dave to list his credentials?
Perhaps it is time for Morty, Sandman and others to list their qualification of opinion as well?????? Just to be fair.
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yellow salmon found in alaska as well... >:( ??? :o..holmes*
http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2008/08/copper-river-red-salmon-turns-yellow.html
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Sandman, I am not "giving up " on wild salmon; most people who know me understand that. Please refer to some of my previous posts.
I am also a keen and avid angler, and most certainly know and understand the cultural needs of FN. Perhaps more than you know ;)
I believe with climate change, human population increases, future electrical needs, etc, etc, wild salmon have a dismal future but I do and will continue to work for them.
Are you?
And yes, I do indeed think salmon aquaculture and wild salmon can and will co-exist in BC and will play a factor in this Province's growth.
Letting nature taking it's course will not garner enough food for the human population. Much like agriculture where intense farming has become an integral part of our life, all food source will eventually require farming. Farming methods have gone through many decades of progress.. including shortening mature cycle, mass production, weed/insects control and so forth.. Today many chemical/hormones that were once considered a common practice has been banned due to health concerns environmental concerns.
Aquaculture, still in it's early development stage will evolve like agriculture. It is here to stay and provide.
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I have no interest nor am i a stakeholder in the company, but id like to share with the board this salmon farming company from the states. their fish are raised in a closed sustem that is miles inland, and no possible way for fish to escape or transmit diseases. the fish are raised in freshwater and the water is filtered and the fish feces uses as fertilizer
http://www.sweetspringsalmon.com/
pretty good idea IMHO
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thanks for the link fishunter..... ;)....holmes*
here is another one
http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/so...ment/examples/
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Aquaculture is born of a sense that wild salmon are no longer "economical." This is why we decided to farm them in the first place is it not? To make them more economical? I am not saying aquaculture itself cannot be a good thing either, it does offer a potential to the take pressure off wild stocks to satisfy our gastronomic desires. I am saying we can no longer allow economic imperatives alone guide our decision making. The choice to farm Atlantic Salmon in open net pens on the BC coast was a BAD idea, made worse by the subsequent bad decisions to try and manage them at the risk to wild stocks (such as the use of antibiotics to combat disease in overcrowded pens). Aquaculture on the BC coast needs to be environmentally sustainable and responsible, and open net farming of Atlantic salmon on our fragile coast is neither. Support our wild salmon by saying no to farmed Atlantic salmon on the BC coast. They belong in Atlantic Canada, not here. Nova Scotians need jobs too.
I agree with everything you said Sandman except the last part about Atlantic Canada. Their wild Atlantics stocks are even more threatened by farmed Atlantics.
http://asf.ca/news.php?id=758 (http://asf.ca/news.php?id=758)
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I agree with everything you said Sandman except the last part about Atlantic Canada. Their wild Atlantics stocks are even more threatened by farmed Atlantics.
http://asf.ca/news.php?id=758 (http://asf.ca/news.php?id=758)
I wouldn't say they are more threatened as they are at least the same species over there. There will always be concern over escapees from a farm and of course the over crowding issues are the same regardless of the location. My main concern of the farming of Atlantic here comes from our experience with other invasive species. Introducing the Atlantics into Pacific waters was a dumb idea in a long line of dumb ideas. If a pathogen from the hatcheries that raised these fish enters the waters of BC it could decimate the wild stocks the way the Smallpox decimated the Native populations here. If it happen to a people, is it so far to leap that it might happen to a fish? The other risks, already mentioned (escapees, pollution, antibiotic resistant bacteria, etc), add further stress to an already stressed system. If the fisheries biologists had done the studies first, rather than using the BC coast as a giant lab experiment, we may have felt a little more comfortable with the introduction of aquaculture here.
I thought it was fair and forthcoming of dave to list his credentials?
Perhaps it is time for Morty, Sandman and others to list their qualification of opinion as well?????? Just to be fair.
I am not sure a "qualification of opinion" is necessary as an opinion is judged on the merits of its supporting arguments, not on the credentials of the speaker (that would be an ad hominem attack). I value many of the opinions stated by forum members that may not have degrees but whose experiences have granted them a perspective that is still as valuable and meaningful (like Dave's, before he threw in the towel) as a scientist (who perhaps is bucking for their next grant). However, if you really wish to know I am a historian, geographer, and geologist, not a biologist, and I have a Masters degree in Environmental History from Simon Fraser. I am not a current or former employee of either the DFO nor a disgruntled former employee the salmon farming industry. My allegiance is to the environment and my agenda is to see that the mistakes of the past are not repeated.
Letting nature taking it's course will not garner enough food for the human population. Much like agriculture where intense farming has become an integral part of our life, all food source will eventually require farming. Farming methods have gone through many decades of progress.. including shortening mature cycle, mass production, weed/insects control and so forth.. Today many chemical/hormones that were once considered a common practice has been banned due to health concerns environmental concerns.
Aquaculture, still in it's early development stage will evolve like agriculture. It is here to stay and provide.
I object as strongly to the giant industrial feedlots that produce the chicken and beef for the world's fast food chains as I do the slashing and burning of the amazon rainforest to make room for cattle ranches to supply them as well. For the last 5 000 years humankind has been in a perpetual battle with nature, intent on more than just "survival". We have sought to harness, control, and exploit nature to satisfy our desire for a "good" life. In the last 100 years we have won that battle, and yet the battle rages on. We continue to act as though we must subdue nature. We need to recognize that the battle is won and that we do not need to continue to pommel our enemy into the dust. Just as the two sides at the end of a war must reach across the table of peace and find a way to live together, a change in our behavior must take place if we are to coexist with the natural world. We cannot continue to exploit the environment the way we have been doing, and we cannot continue to think and act as though we can. A revolution is needed and it is needed soon, or the environmental damage done in the name of satisfying the desires of 14 billion people (the projected stabilized world population) will be irreparable.
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Trust me....Dave knows his stuff in this area. Instead some of you want to believe that he is some spokesperson for the salmon farming industry (apparently anyone who has an opinion contrary to the masses here is a paid employee of Marine Harvest Canada). Some of you should try to open your minds a little and listen from someone who clearly has experience in this area. However, some of you wish to take the advice from someone (Morton) who has no experience or training in fish pathology....none...zippo...nada. Unlike Morton, Dave has years of experience and looked at more salmon carcasses than some bears. If some of you wish to be led down Morton's merry road of confusion regarding these pinks be my guest, but I think you would get more out of listening to a guy like Dave. I was going to post before Dave did on this thread, but this is more his specialty than mine.
Lastly, Dave certainly has not written off wild salmon or thrown in the towel. He has likely been more involved with wild salmon than most of you keyboard crunchers and Morton kool-aid drinkers. He is still in waders, but has a fishing rod in his hand more these days.
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double post, Rodney
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Trust me....Dave knows his stuff in this area. Instead some of you want to believe that he is some spokesperson for the salmon farming industry (apparently anyone who has an opinion contrary to the masses here is a paid employee of Marine Harvest Canada). Some of you should try to open your minds a little and listen from someone who clearly has experience in this area. However, some of you wish to take the advice from someone (Morton) who has no experience or training in fish pathology....none...zippo...nada. Unlike Morton, Dave has years of experience and looked at more salmon carcasses than some bears. If some of you wish to be led down Morton's merry road of confusion regarding these pinks be my guest, but I think you would get more out of listening to a guy like Dave. I was going to post before Dave did on this thread, but this is more his specialty than mine.
Lastly, Dave certainly has not written off wild salmon or thrown in the towel. He has likely been more involved with wild salmon than most of you keyboard crunchers and Morton kool-aid drinkers. He is still in waders, but has a fishing rod in his hand more these days.
I thought I was clear that it was his parting comment alone that I was referring to, and that I never called his credentials into question (I was thoroughly impressed by his dissection of Mortons theory). It was because of Dave's past post history (including his most recent in which he described in detail the work that he did for the DFO scientists) that I was so shocked by this parting comment. It is the same argument the government made to allow the Norwegian companies in in the first place. This is the future...wild salmon are done.
You do not have to be a Morton supporter, nor a believer in her theories, to be against the farming of Atlantic Salmon in BC waters. All you need is common sense. Open net farms have caused problems around the world, why would BC be any different?
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I am not sure a "qualification of opinion" is necessary as an opinion is judged on the merits of its supporting arguments, not on the credentials of the speaker (that would be an ad hominem attack). I value many of the opinions stated by forum members that may not have degrees but whose experiences have granted them a perspective that is still as valuable and meaningful (like Dave's, before he threw in the towel) as a scientist (who perhaps is bucking for their next grant). However, if you really wish to know I am a historian, geographer, and geologist, not a biologist, and I have a Masters degree in Environmental History from Simon Fraser. I am not a current or former employee of either the DFO nor a disgruntled former employee the salmon farming industry. My allegiance is to the environment and my agenda is to see that the mistakes of the past are not repeated.
Interesting perspective. I am not a biologist either. But I find it interesting how intensively you appose salmon farming based on biology. Or is Mrs Morton your anchor in that department?
The facts are that for 10 or so years there has been a massive influx of American dollars to Canadian environmental groups and more to demarket bc farm fish and other Canadian industrys. And the common excuse is that they have to get there money from some where and that it goes both ways. I have heard that before but I do not agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48jZMa5S4qY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48jZMa5S4qY&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6UaftK_N-k&feature=watch_response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6UaftK_N-k&feature=watch_response)
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This yellow fish thing is just another prime example of Motons tactics. I assure you she will just let this issue fade into the past because the damage and doubt is done. She will never publicly say she made a mistake after she makes an opinion of hers public, her work is done.
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I wouldn't say they are more threatened as they are at least the same species over there. There will always be concern over escapees from a farm and of course the over crowding issues are the same regardless of the location. My main concern of the farming of Atlantic here comes from our experience with other invasive species. Introducing the Atlantics into Pacific waters was a dumb idea in a long line of dumb ideas. If a pathogen from the hatcheries that raised these fish enters the waters of BC it could decimate the wild stocks the way the Smallpox decimated the Native populations here.
The risks of pathogen or parasite transmission from a farmed salmon to a wild salmon is much higher if they are the same species because the pathogens are already adapted to the physiology and life cycle of that species and won't necessarily do well or survive in a different species. Similarly, the risk of crossbreeding and dilution of the wild gene pool is obviously very much higher if they are both the same species that can interbreed. So farmed Atlantics can devastate wild Atlantics if they escape and interbreed or carry pathogens to the spawning grounds. It's actually a better risk as far as disease and gene pool dilution are concerned to farm a non-native species.
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You do not have to be a Morton supporter, nor a believer in her theories, to be against the farming of Atlantic Salmon in BC waters. All you need is common sense. Open net farms have caused problems around the world, why would BC be any different?
Common sense? I think it would make sense to read the testimony and the many exhibits from the inquiry - not just the edited ones from Ms. Morton. The majority of this testimony doesn't fit Morton's theories and this upsets her (that's why she is now on the yellow pink kick now....next it will be Ebola). Don't take my word for it - read the transcripts and look at the exhibits....all of them. Problems have happened in other parts of the world like Chile because they grew too fast and their regulations were not tight enough. BC likely has the most stringent regulations in the world in regards to aquaculture. Big difference.
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I object as strongly to the giant industrial feedlots that produce the chicken and beef for the world's fast food chains as I do the slashing and burning of the amazon rainforest to make room for cattle ranches to supply them as well. For the last 5 000 years humankind has been in a perpetual battle with nature, intent on more than just "survival". We have sought to harness, control, and exploit nature to satisfy our desire for a "good" life. In the last 100 years we have won that battle, and yet the battle rages on. We continue to act as though we must subdue nature. We need to recognize that the battle is won and that we do not need to continue to pommel our enemy into the dust. Just as the two sides at the end of a war must reach across the table of peace and find a way to live together, a change in our behavior must take place if we are to coexist with the natural world. We cannot continue to exploit the environment the way we have been doing, and we cannot continue to think and act as though we can. A revolution is needed and it is needed soon, or the environmental damage done in the name of satisfying the desires of 14 billion people (the projected stabilized world population) will be irreparable.
Any alternatives you can think of other than just objection?
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Any alternatives you can think of other than just objection?
The most simple alternative that would solve a vast majority of the problems of food production on this planet is reducing the amount of meat you consume. western society consumes WAY too much meat in their diet, far beyond what is needed for good nutrition. Do we really need a third pounder? Wasn't a quarter pounder excessive enough? Meat was long a food of the wealthy and powerful. Now just about anyone in the developed world can purchase a meal "fit for a king." The need to produce this massively excessive dietary greed is what makes feedlots containing thousands of cattle or tens of thousands of swine of hundreds of thousands of chicken, crammed into a space often no larger than a hockey arena. That simple step would dramatically increase the ability of food producers to meet the needs of the growing populations, not to mention improve the health of a large percentage of the population. No need to move the "feedlots" out into the open oceans where their effluent flow directly into the surrounding ecosystem (unlike the closed feedlots on land). This is why I never kill more than one fish when I get lucky enough to catch more than 1. One salmon will feed my family of 5 for days.
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Colour me ignorant or skeptical, but there's a lot of "the world is going to end" and "no it isn't" in here that isn't supported by cited fact. Having read this at length, I am left to form my own opinions as there appears to be a lot of bias here.
If one researches feedlots and the forced introduction of "nutrients" and "supplements", it might explain why our kids are bigger this generation, but they also seem to have higher rates of problems, like asthma for example.
Greed and competition are certain to be the prime motivators. Silently however, our gov'ts have agreed that a fed nation is a happy nation, no matter what the side issues may be. As a nation, we are supporting this. We all stop at the arches, the colonels, or simply choose to purchase less expensive, mass produced meats and vegetables. Hint. The first number on vegetables, if a 3, is to be stayed clear of.
How on earth could pork or chicken raised in prisons with no windows, be healthy?
That said, getting back on topic, mass production (not accelerated or treated production) of foods is necessary. Food prices are escalating as demand is out weighing supply. Some nations have people working three jobs just so they can afford to eat. Not eating meat, while practical in a micro theory, isn't a solution, and it simply won't happen anyway.
Fish farms are a great idea, however right now, it's not being done in a manner that makes me comfortable enough to buy it. If it's not from the wild, I won't buy it.
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I feel Alex Morton has gone "over the top" and has lost a lot of credability with me after I read the Cohen Inquiry transcripts and how she interpreted the testimony on her blog. Not very "scientific" of her and smacking of fanaticism and an overblown ego. Too bad because I think she started out on the right track and salmon farms have a long way to go yet to demonstrate their environmental sustainability to Canadians.
The idea of switching diets to less animal protein and more vegetable protein is a healthier and more sustainable diet that we've adopted in our family but it's not a short term solution to the growth of salmon farms. If the foreign markets are there, they will continue to grow.
I don't think the yellow pink salmon issue can be so quickly dismissed as natural until we know if the frequency is higher this year or if it's just more noticeable during high pink years and no one was looking for it in previous years because we weren't as sensitized to the issue. If you do a google scholar search for salmon jaundice, its can be natural or caused by exposure to pollutants (like industrial/ pulp mill effluents) or by....wait for it......Infectious Haemolytic Anaemia that has cropped up in fish farms. So there's reason for reasoned concern and investigation.
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Caught a small male one in the Vedder, had an orange yellowish stripe going through it. Took a picture of it Thought it was just an off colour phase or something.
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Sandman, I am not "giving up " on wild salmon; most people who know me understand that. Please refer to some of my previous posts.
I am also a keen and avid angler, and most certainly know and understand the cultural needs of FN. Perhaps more than you know ;)
I believe with climate change, human population increases, future electrical needs, etc, etc, wild salmon have a dismal future but I do and will continue to work for them.
Are you?
And yes, I do indeed think salmon aquaculture and wild salmon can and will co-exist in BC and will play a factor in this Province's growth.
Dave, in your support of the Salmon farm industry. Is that as is now, or in a full containment scenario?
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Dave, in your support of the Salmon farm industry. Is that as is now, or in a full containment scenario?
though only just been able to return to the "zoo" that we call river angling, I have noticed this year that I have seen what seems to me an inordinate amount of Stale fish (pinks) especially so above mission, though I did hook a couple that look suspicious or less than bright in Sapperton this year. I have seen this before, but not in the numbers of this year. Saying that, I was often fishing from a boat in the past an seldom had to hoof it so location may be a factor in my observation.