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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Damien on September 25, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
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I decided to take a break from the Pinks and the recent cold streak due to commercial netting. I have done nothing but catch the odd pink after putting in HOURS of time and losing too many lures, so I did some investigating, driving around, looking for some new places to haunt in the lower mainland in search of Hos. Brought my keen eye and trusty binoculars to find some signs of coho moving around the local estuaries and beaches.
I spotted a couple fins moving around a few more breach the water, so I decided to tie up and have at it, at a couple different spots.
I managed to land and release two wild coho (well, at least they had their adipose in tact, fully). I threw the kitchen sink at them as I knew they were there, but couldn't get them to bite.
Finally an orange Blue Fox (#4) tricked them. None of my usual coho friendly gear was working, but this is a fail safe for almost every species, any light, any water type and (most importantly for me) a lure I have confidence in. They wouldn't touch blue, straight silver, brass etc....notta.
Hard work, a lot of driving, a lot of investigating and even more 'sighting' for fish. Took me a good 6 hours to find these fish, but it feels very satisfying to escape the crowds and seek out new environs.
When I got the first one, I was all alone, so I had to beach it and get it back into the water quickly, hence the crappy pic. On the second fish, a passerby saw I had one on and came down check out the commotion, I got him to to help me out with a picture, I handed him my BlackBerry to take a pic as I gently netted, removed the hook and sent him away. No "hero" shot unfortunately as I didn't want the fish out of the water if I could reasonably avoid it. Boy these Coho put pinks to shame in the fight category. They go freakin BALLISTIC.
(http://i.imgur.com/IXnD5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/odzzY.jpg)
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Always feels rewarding when you find what you are looking for after putting in the effort.
You are right about the fight. A fresh coho usually puts up a great scrap, far from the fight of a pink.
Nice Ho's for sure but remeber to keep any fish to be released in the water and off the sand and rocks, especially wild coho.
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Next time I will tire the fish out until it is basically dead so I can tail it easy so it makes for a better picture and a better perceived release. Like the wading flyfisherman who caught a fish beside me that fought it for 15 minutes as he couldn't make the hero tail grab by himself until he finally dragged the fish towards him belly up.
The first fish was just swung towards my feet, hook out, and it was swung and around and I slid back into the water. It wasnt dragged up onto the rocks to flop around.
The second fish was netted (soft mesh),fish was tailed and hook removed then slid back in the water in under 5 seconds. (that is froth from the water, not scales from the fish).
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Nice catches!
You forgot to mention where you were fishing :)
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Next time I will tire the fish out until it is basically dead so I can tail it easy so it makes for a better picture and a better perceived release. Like the wading flyfisherman who caught a fish beside me that fought it for 15 minutes as he couldn't make the hero tail grab by himself until he finally dragged the fish towards him belly up.
The first fish was just swung towards my feet, hook out, and it was swung and around and I slid back into the water. It wasnt dragged up onto the rocks to flop around.
The second fish was netted (soft mesh),fish was tailed and hook removed then slid back in the water in under 5 seconds. (that is froth from the water, not scales from the fish).
What did you expect from the pictures you posted? It isn't like you are a new member; you know the flack you are going to get. It's been stated multiple times that it is nearly impossible to correctly handle and release fish if you don't have waders on.
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Cutthroat, I did mention where I was.
On the beach.
:D
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your title says it all "ho's on the beach"!!!! they are ho's and they are on the beach. And you would have to tire the fish out till near dead to tail it because you are standing on the freaking shore in your shoes.....so yeah it would be kinda tough considering you would be tailing it.....on the beach!
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/hue-nut/b818d14f.jpg)
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You know, that rock your Ho is rubbing against is negatively effecting its protective slime.
You should try to be more carefull next time.
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You know you guys should really stop being so dramatic and just stop posting, because people don't really care about how great of an angler you are, or how many you personally caught, they just want to know your spot, and know that there are coho around this time of year. They have nothing better to do than cry about your photos, rather than go out and fish. I learned this the hard way, time and time again... Congrats, you caught a coho, nice wild fish.
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your title says it all "ho's on the beach"!!!! they are ho's and they are on the beach. And you would have to tire the fish out till near dead to tail it because you are standing on the freaking shore in your shoes.....so yeah it would be kinda tough considering you would be tailing it.....on the beach!
Off thead, but what kind of line is that on your reel?
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your right youngun.....so many experts on here who have never ever made any mistakes ever while fishing are ready to criticize other peoples photos. just offer advise on fish handling instead of chopping the guys head off for posting pictures that you think is immoral to the fish. There are alot of young anglers on this forum who appreciate seeing photos of fish caught. it boosts their moral and gets them out on the water to catch their own. Good job with locating and catching those coho on the beach. your pictures inspire other anglers to do the same. However in the future lets keep any fish which needs to be released clearly in the water....even for a photo. :)
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The advise to keep the fish in the water was offered constructively, positively, and always followed compliments. I think this is the right way to ensure people hear the ways things SHOULD be done. Don't get your panties in a knot, Damien. ;)
They're beauty fish. I've made my share of mistakes in fish handling, but I've learned from it. Hopefully you will too. Congrats on getting out there and getting 'er done!
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Nice fish man - way to go! Can't wait till we're allowed to keep them.
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The advise to keep the fish in the water was offered constructively, positively, and always followed compliments. I think this is the right way to ensure people hear the ways things SHOULD be done. Don't get your panties in a knot, Damien. ;)
I agree Tex, good post.
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You know you guys should really stop being so dramatic and just stop posting, because people don't really care about how great of an angler you are, or how many you personally caught, they just want to know your spot, and know that there are coho around this time of year. They have nothing better to do than cry about your photos, rather than go out and fish. I learned this the hard way, time and time again... Congrats, you caught a coho, nice wild fish.
Well put Dim
PEACE!
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Well put Dim
PEACE!
This
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One way to avoid the criticism is to not take a photo of a fish you are going to release unless it is on the line and in the water:
(http://teacherweb.com/BC/HDStaffordMiddleSchool/Sandquist/Pink3.jpg)
or
(http://teacherweb.com/BC/HDStaffordMiddleSchool/Sandquist/PinkReleased.jpg)
or
(http://teacherweb.com/BC/HDStaffordMiddleSchool/Sandquist/Pink2.jpg)
... not as heroic perhaps, but you avoid the criticism of over handling. These two were released without removing them from the water or even touching them (grab the fly and twist).
Otherwise, if you are bonking it, take the pic any way you like.
(http://teacherweb.com/BC/HDStaffordMiddleSchool/Sandquist/Pink.jpg)
or
(http://teacherweb.com/BC/HDStaffordMiddleSchool/Sandquist/pinkmale.jpg)
..no one cares because they are dead already.
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Off thead, but what kind of line is that on your reel?
siglon f floating mono
Also no one would of jumped all over this guy if he had just taken the original advise offered by bren without getting so defensive. We've all done dumb stuff with fish and sometimes we post it and get ripped
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siglon f floating mono
Also no one would of jumped all over this guy if he had just taken the original advise offered by bren without getting so defensive. We've all done dumb stuff with fish and sometimes we post it and get ripped
I agree. A simple "sorry, my mistake" would have ended it. Had he posted his pics in any other forum, the reaction would be the same or even harsher. I don't think we should discourage anyone from posting pics, just be mindful of what you are posting. Nice fish BTW and a good catch on the beach.
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Some fish will swim onto the shore after you let them go. Happened to me that same day after i took a pic of it in the water.
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Would I use any different bait or spinner to catch jack coho ???? Would they be swimming among the adult cohos ? What I am asking is how do I catch jack coho ???
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You know, that rock your Ho is rubbing against is negatively effecting its protective slime.
You should try to be more carefull next time.
Dude-I will take Hue-nuts release over yours everytime.Buy some waders and learn how to fish man.
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Would I use any different bait or spinner to catch jack coho ???? Would they be swimming among the adult cohos ? What I am asking is how do I catch jack coho ???
Just fish for Coho and you will get Jacks, they are generally more aggressive than the adults. Roe or hardware.
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Would I use any different bait or spinner to catch jack coho ???? Would they be swimming among the adult cohos ? What I am asking is how do I catch jack coho ???
The bluebacks in the Cap love a small black wolly bugger with Grizzly hackle over the silver ribbing.
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Would I use any different bait or spinner to catch jack coho ???? Would they be swimming among the adult cohos ? What I am asking is how do I catch jack coho ???
As early season coho jacks are generally small, 10~12", for hardware, smaller spoons and spinners work better.
If a pool is full of cohos, jacks will tend to occupy least favourable positions due to their lower pecking order.
Sometimes they will sit in shallow tailouts and close to bank under bright sun light due to this reason.
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Nice fish! sucks that you have to deal with all the haters..honestly if the people with all the opinions on how to release fish (very little impact on the fish compared to other factors) care so much about the well being of fish, then stop fishing! To say you need waders to learn how to fish..... lol.
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Nice fish! sucks that you have to deal with all the haters..honestly if the people with all the opinions on how to release fish (very little impact on the fish compared to other factors) care so much about the well being of fish, then stop fishing! To say you need waders to learn how to fish..... lol.
It is ignorance like this that perpetuates the poor handling of fish.
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It is ignorance like this that perpetuates the poor handling of fish.
:'( Sorry i'm not as pro as you in fishing, that must make you smart. is there a regulation regarding the proper method of handling fish ? I'm not saying that people shouldn't do it properly... but to say you need waders to learn to fish is pretty stupid. Also that glove you are wearing in your banner/avatar is removing slime off the fish
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:'( Sorry i'm not as pro as you in fishing, that must make you smart. is there a regulation regarding the proper method of handling fish ?
There is actually. halfway down in middle column of page 9 and second half of page 11 in the following document.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1113/fishing-synopsis_2011-13_provincial.pdf
but to say you need waders to learn to fish is pretty stupid.
You're misquoting what the poster originally wrote:
Buy some waders and learn how to fish man.
Buy some waders and learn how to fish, not buy some waders to learn how to fish.
You don't need waders to learn how to fish, but you certainly need waders to release big fish correctly under most situations.
There's no need to generalize all comments toward Damien in this thread as "haters". People are way too afraid of criticisms and are always brushing all of them off as bashing, even the constructive ones such as most of the replies in this thread. Without people pointing out the wrongs, the individual making the mistake will not learn. The day when nobody points out the wrongs is when everyone no longer cares, probably because it is too late to do anything to make a big difference. So please, no need to insult all posters by referring them as haters.
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haters.....in waders releasing fish :o
Poor old Damien buys some rubber net to let his fish off without taken the slime or scale off. But forgets to get some waders to fish some place he just found. Foolishly post pictures of the fish in question. Responds probably in less than tactfully to the gailstorm.
Make a good daytime soap ;D
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I guess catching more fish makes you feel like a bigger person? or gives you the need to talk down to someone (on the net or in person) that is trying their best with what they have? Last time I checked it was under 50 bucks to get a fishing license to go fish (not 200 dollars for waders and 100 for wading boots). Good for Damien in buying a fishing net!
Also i took a look at the "how to release fish the safe way" and it states that,
" A fish that appears unharmed
may not survive if carelessly handled,
so please abide by the following"
Clearly the reason why the government wants us to safely release fish is directly related to the survival of the fishes. But Damien made a good point....maybe some of the "pros" can clarify this too...that fighting a fish for an excessive amount of time also creates threats to the fish's survival? I'm sure a lot of the seasoned anglers that use methods of fishing such as flyfishing or centerpinning are out there for the fight, so should new anglers not attempt those methods just because they will probably end up tiring the fish out (due to lack of experience)? And to some of the posters with "negative" comments, i'm sure some of you work in tackle stores, if it wasn't for the people that are not as experienced but have the $$$ to spend, you would not have your jobs. Try give them the same attitude if they came in your store to share their pictures with you! I'm actually looking into buying a Milner Kingfisher and Talisman right now and honestly if someone gave me that type of attitude i'd probably take my business elsewhere!
Personally, i try my best to release the fish unharmed even if I have to walk a bit in the water in river systems such as the Thompson (very slippery). But to say that you must wear waders to properly release fish then most of the fishermen on the Thompson would be fined since it isn't very safe to wade in there at all hence none of the fishes are being released properly. Then again to my understanding the "how to release fish" part is awareness for the public and not mandatory rules.
PS. not to sway away from this post too much.... GRATs again Damien on your catch!! Definitely motivates me to take a little more effort in searching for fish on the beaches. I've seen some people actually go fishing around W.van beaches near one of my construction sites by the waterfront, wonder if they are getting any luck :P
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I guess catching more fish makes you feel like a bigger person? or gives you the need to talk down to someone (on the net or in person) that is trying their best with what they have? Last time I checked it was under 50 bucks to get a fishing license to go fish (not 200 dollars for waders and 100 for wading boots). Good for Damien in buying a fishing net!
Also i took a look at the "how to release fish the safe way" and it states that,
" A fish that appears unharmed
may not survive if carelessly handled,
so please abide by the following"
Clearly the reason why the government wants us to safely release fish is directly related to the survival of the fishes. But Damien made a good point....maybe some of the "pros" can clarify this too...that fighting a fish for an excessive amount of time also creates threats to the fish's survival? I'm sure a lot of the seasoned anglers that use methods of fishing such as flyfishing or centerpinning are out there for the fight, so should new anglers not attempt those methods just because they will probably end up tiring the fish out (due to lack of experience)? And to some of the posters with "negative" comments, i'm sure some of you work in tackle stores, if it wasn't for the people that are not as experienced but have the $$$ to spend, you would not have your jobs. Try give them the same attitude if they came in your store to share their pictures with you! I'm actually looking into buying a Milner Kingfisher and Talisman right now and honestly if someone gave me that type of attitude i'd probably take my business elsewhere!
Personally, i try my best to release the fish unharmed even if I have to walk a bit in the water in river systems such as the Thompson (very slippery). But to say that you must wear waders to properly release fish then most of the fishermen on the Thompson would be fined since it isn't very safe to wade in there at all hence none of the fishes are being released properly. Then again to my understanding the "how to release fish" part is awareness for the public and not mandatory rules.
In the first pic the fish is lying on the beach above the water. Why not IN the water...ie)tailing the fish IN the water.
Second pic is similar the net should be IN the water.
So, my point is, as a waderless fisherman myself, I see no reason to keep a fish on a beach like that for a pic. It is unnecessary.
I didn't really see a lot of "talking down" in this thread other then your posts, Ed.
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I think Damien should release the GPS coordinates for this coho beach and everyone should have a group hug :-*
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Ain't gonna happen. I will narrow it down though.
These fish were caught somewhere between Mud Bay and Horseshoe Bay.
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In the first pic the fish is lying on the beach above the water. Why not IN the water...ie)tailing the fish IN the water.
Second pic is similar the net should be IN the water.
So, my point is, as a waderless fisherman myself, I see no reason to keep a fish on a beach like that for a pic. It is unnecessary.
I didn't really see a lot of "talking down" in this thread other then your posts, Ed.
Besides the rocks you see in the picture I dont think it shows too much of the surrounding environment, and besides its a beach there are waves... Honesty if I took the effort in finding such a nice spot and caught an amazing wild coho, I would probably want to keep a picture. Some people might not care for a photo (since you fish so much and catch plentiful), some dont have the same opportunities.
And clearly this is a fishing reports section and not a discussion page? Not sure why people couldn't just mind their own business and be happy for the nice catch.
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Sorry i'm not as pro as you in fishing, that must make you smart.
I guess catching more fish makes you feel like a bigger person? or gives you the need to talk down to someone (on the net or in person)
maybe some of the "pros" can clarify this too...
Some people might not care for a photo (since you fish so much and catch plentiful), some dont have the same opportunities.
Hopefully you have not employed the same approach when engaging in a discussion with others away from the keyboard, in case you're wonder why others are not taking you too seriously. ;)
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Besides the rocks you see in the picture I dont think it shows too much of the surrounding environment, and besides its a beach there are waves... Honesty if I took the effort in finding such a nice spot and caught an amazing wild coho, I would probably want to keep a picture. Some people might not care for a photo (since you fish so much and catch plentiful), some dont have the same opportunities.
And clearly this is a fishing reports section and not a discussion page? Not sure why people couldn't just mind their own business and be happy for the nice catch.
If you go back and read the thread carefully, most of the comments were constructive advice on how things might be improved for the welfare of the realeased wild coho. I think I know where that location is and barnacle covered rocks and gravel are not the most friendly place for any salmon to be released. Especially an angry wild salmon. I am happy for OPs nice catch and hope his release technique will also improve after this episode. :)
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Ed - what's so wrong with gently pointing out some suggestions on fish handling techniques after congratulating Damien on his catch?
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Tex, just because you catch more fish and have a bigger rod, doesn't mean you can act this way and talk someone down ok?
Sorry... Couldn't help it. Going out now. :-[ ;D
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Tex, just because you catch more fish and have a bigger rod, doesn't mean you can act this way and talk someone down ok?
Sorry... Couldn't help it. Going out now. :-[ ;D
LOL!
Good luck, Rod! :)
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Hopefully you have not employed the same approach when engaging in a discussion with others away from the keyboard, in case you're wonder why others are not taking you too seriously. ;)
Outside the keyboard, people don't usually make a fuss about releasing fish or say, "GOOD job on the fish man! but learn how to release the fish properly!". Well sadly for some... fishing is the only thing some know how to do. I guess it is my fault for ruining it for the select few who enjoy giving other people "constructive advice". Since i'm just an unselfish guy, I will give some constructive advice to people that like to give "advice". "If you dont have anything good to say to the person, dont say it at all" because nobody cares!
Tex, just because you catch more fish and have a bigger rod, doesn't mean you can act this way and talk someone down ok?
Sorry... Couldn't help it. Going out now. :-[ ;D
LOL!
Good luck, Rod! :)
I hope everybody does what you say Rod and not take me too seriously, the truth is sometimes sad and honestly I shouldn't be saying these things during a recession! SHAME ON ME! No point for me to continue to argue this since it seems that you two enjoy relating fishing with "big rods". Unless that's your nickname Big Rod. :-\
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Since i'm just an unselfish guy, I will give some constructive advice to people that like to give "advice". "If you dont have anything good to say to the person, dont say it at all" because nobody cares!
Alright Ed, here's a scenario for you:
So you're out getting groceries. You've picked up everything you need and are heading to the checkout, when you see some punk cut in front of an elderly lady in the line-up. If I'm reading you correctly, you wouldn't say anything to the guy, because "you don't have anything good to say"?
And before you say it - no, I'm not taking this out of context, I'm demonstrating why society is so f&#^ed up right now... it's (in part) because people like you sit idly by and say nothing when something that SHOULDN'T be happening IS happening.
I'll tell you right now, when I see something going on that I perceive to be an injustice, or illegal, or what have you, I'm gonna damn well say something. I'll almost always say it politely and as a suggestion, but I'll say it. It's sad to me that there are so many people out there like you whoturn the other way.
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Holy moly, which school of sarcasm did you attend? Because I am really curious and interested in going there now... lol...
Big Rod, signing out.
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Alright Ed, here's a scenario for you:
So you're out getting groceries. You've picked up everything you need and are heading to the checkout, when you see some punk cut in front of an elderly lady in the line-up. If I'm reading you correctly, you wouldn't say anything to the guy, because "you don't have anything good to say"?
And before you say it - no, I'm not taking this out of context, I'm demonstrating why society is so f&#^ed up right now... it's (in part) because people like you sit idly by and say nothing when something that SHOULDN'T be happening IS happening.
I'll tell you right now, when I see something going on that I perceive to be an injustice, or illegal, or what have you, I'm gonna damn well say something. I'll almost always say it politely and as a suggestion, but I'll say it. It's sad to me that there are so many people out there like you whoturn the other way.
I would totally say something based on your scenario and say something or maybe even tell him what he did was wrong ( even though i'm sure he knows already). But its a big difference comparing that to the situation in this thread.
My point is that there are many factors contributing negatively to the fishery and releasing fish is probably not one of the bigger ones. Personally i find it messed up that some people care so much about the well being of the fish when they are released but they fail to acknowledge that fighting the fish on fly tackle or centerpin for a prolonged duration of time is also harmful to the fish's survival. What is this argument really about? being anal and finding it necessary to make a negative comment towards someone or that they actually care about the well being of the fish ? No matter what sportfishing itself creates an impact on our fisheries, so why can't people keep their panties on and just relax since the fish was released?
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Holy moly, which school of sarcasm did you attend? Because I am really curious and interested in going there now... lol...
Big Rod, signing out.
You like that new nick name dont you! ;D but you missed out.. Dick Cheney left Vancouver already.. (to answer the question regarding the school of sarcasm). *hides* Please dont beat me up Big Rod!
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This thread turned awesome.
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This thread turned awesome.
:D
This thread has changed my future fishing experiences.
I say screw releasing fish in the water. There are waves and the water is cold.
Going to buy a glove to release, I hate fish slime on my hands.
Will pick up a new pair of steel-toes so I can boot the chums back into the Stave.
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I would totally say something based on your scenario and say something or maybe even tell him what he did was wrong ( even though i'm sure he knows already). But its a big difference comparing that to the situation in this thread.
My point is that there are many factors contributing negatively to the fishery and releasing fish is probably not one of the bigger ones. Personally i find it messed up that some people care so much about the well being of the fish when they are released but they fail to acknowledge that fighting the fish on fly tackle or centerpin for a prolonged duration of time is also harmful to the fish's survival. What is this argument really about? being anal and finding it necessary to make a negative comment towards someone or that they actually care about the well being of the fish ? No matter what sportfishing itself creates an impact on our fisheries, so why can't people keep their panties on and just relax since the fish was released?
Fishing in general is detrimental to the fishes health, whether we wack it on the head or release it. But for those fish that we plan on releasing, we try as much as we can to minimize the damage to the fishes health. The fighting part of fishing is part of fishing, mishandling the fish after its been landed is NOT. You can get a ticket from DFO for dragging a fish you plan or need to release out of the water. I've yet to hear of or see anyone get a ticket for fighting a fish too long.
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Fishing in general is detrimental to the fishes health, whether we wack it on the head or release it. But for those fish that we plan on releasing, we try as much as we can to minimize the damage to the fishes health. The fighting part of fishing is part of fishing, mishandling the fish after its been landed is NOT. You can get a ticket from DFO for dragging a fish you plan or need to release out of the water. I've yet to hear of or see anyone get a ticket for fighting a fish too long.
x2 what he said
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This thread has changed my future fishing experiences.
I say screw releasing fish in the water. There are waves and the water is cold.
Going to buy a glove to release, I hate fish slime on my hands.
Will pick up a new pair of steel-toes so I can boot the chums back into the Stave.
If this was facebook i would click "like". Yeah... the fish are so slimey, next time i'll bring some soap so I can wash them real quick... clean some lice off.
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x2 what he said
I agree. people should have awareness of how to release fish. I'm just arguing that it isn't neccesary to post it so many times on someone's fishing report.
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Please dont beat me up Big Rod!
Don't worry, looks like you've already beaten yourself up in this thread. You're not getting what this discussion is really about, which is to minimize, not eliminate, negative impact on our fishery resource when participating in recreational fishing. Other issues such as overplaying fish are also brought up regularly in this discussion forum. It has not been brought up in this discussion simply because, it has no relevance to it.
As mentioned earlier, aside from most posters' constructive criticisms (what are you scared of anyway, how else do you learn and progress), it seems like you're the only one who is getting a pair of knotty panties. Since you don't seem to get it, the rest of this post is more relevant to others who are interested in this issue.
Just like any other technical aspects in sport fishing, there is a learning curve to catching and releasing. Chancing are, beginners will not know what to do when starting out, so it's important that seasoned anglers are there to provide feedbacks when it is being done incorrectly.
This is not to suggest that Damien is not a seasoned angler. In fact, he most likely is, based on his contributions on the forum. That's why some are probably a bit surprised by the photos posted. Personally, that is not how I would have handled those fish. A pair of waders is indeed a great asset when beach fishing, not just for proper fish handling but for accessing better waters. I would have kept that catch and release net submerged while the fish was in it. I wouldn't have left the fish laying out of the water until it is still for a photo op.
This is not to say that I've never done my fair share of fish mishandling when they are released. I've left my first big bull trout on dry land so a photo could be taken before released. Last year I deep hooked a small bull trout with a spinner and couldn't get the hook out. While the fish was in the water the whole time, the waves made it especially difficult and the fish went belly up in the horizon after it was released. These things happen, and it's never a bad idea to review and decide if it could have been done differently.
These days, I always have a pair of waders on when I am fishing on a beach. When I am fishing in the tidal Fraser River during fall, a catch and release net is always with me. Why? Because I see fishing as a privilege and try not to take it for granted. If that makes me an elitist, so be it. At the end of the day, what makes me happy is knowing that I have done my best, not what others think of me.
Fish mishandling indeed occurs more frequently among beginners than seasoned anglers. Beginners, as another mentioned, of course want to get a photo of that special fish (first coho, biggest rainbow trout to date) if it is to be released. As an angler who progresses and catches more fish, the interest will shift from photo collection to the welfare of the released fish. It may just be another coho salmon, but it is an opportunity of thousands more offsprings if it spawns successfully. The least anglers can do is to minimize its chance of mortality prior to its spawning.
Does Damien agree and take others advices in this thread? Who cares? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he'll admit it, but most likely not, nobody likes to be told wrongful doings. Regardless, discussions like this will continue to pop up and are good for the fisheries as long as it is done in a respectful manner. Hundreds of others will read this and take note of the do's and don'ts. To say that we should all just keep quiet and pretend everything is fine in this activity, it is irresponsible IMO.
This thread turned awesome.
Stop stirring up the forum. :)
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Don't worry, looks like you've already beaten yourself up in this thread. You're not getting what this discussion is really about, which is to minimize, not eliminate, negative impact on our fishery resource when participating in recreational fishing. Other issues such as overplaying fish are also brought up regularly in this discussion forum. It has not been brought up in this discussion simply because, it has no relevance to it.
As mentioned earlier, aside from most posters' constructive criticisms (what are you scared of anyway, how else do you learn and progress), it seems like you're the only one who is getting a pair of knotty panties. Since you don't seem to get it, the rest of this post is more relevant to others who are interested in this issue.
Just like any other technical aspects in sport fishing, there is a learning curve to catching and releasing. Chancing are, beginners will not know what to do when starting out, so it's important that seasoned anglers are there to provide feedbacks when it is being done incorrectly.
This is not to suggest that Damien is not a seasoned angler. In fact, he most likely is, based on his contributions on the forum. That's why some are probably a bit surprised by the photos posted. Personally, that is not how I would have handled those fish. A pair of waders is indeed a great asset when beach fishing, not just for proper fish handling but for accessing better waters. I would have kept that catch and release net submerged while the fish was in it. I wouldn't have left the fish laying out of the water until it is still for a photo op.
This is not to say that I've never done my fair share of fish mishandling when they are released. I've left my first big bull trout on dry land so a photo could be taken before released. Last year I deep hooked a small bull trout with a spinner and couldn't get the hook out. While the fish was in the water the whole time, the waves made it especially difficult and the fish went belly up in the horizon after it was released. These things happen, and it's never a bad idea to review and decide if it could have been done differently.
These days, I always have a pair of waders on when I am fishing on a beach. When I am fishing in the tidal Fraser River during fall, a catch and release net is always with me. Why? Because I see fishing as a privilege and try not to take it for granted. If that makes me an elitist, so be it. At the end of the day, what makes me happy is knowing that I have done my best, not what others think of me.
Fish mishandling indeed occurs more frequently among beginners than seasoned anglers. Beginners, as another mentioned, of course want to get a photo of that special fish (first coho, biggest rainbow trout to date) if it is to be released. As an angler who progresses and catches more fish, the interest will shift from photo collection to the welfare of the released fish. It may just be another coho salmon, but it is an opportunity of thousands more offsprings if it spawns successfully. The least anglers can do is to minimize its chance of mortality prior to its spawning.
Does Damien agree and take others advices in this thread? Who cares? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he'll admit it, but most likely not, nobody likes to be told wrongful doings. Regardless, discussions like this will continue to pop up and are good for the fisheries as long as it is done in a respectful manner. Hundreds of others will read this and take note of the do's and don'ts. To say that we should all just keep quiet and pretend everything is fine in this activity, it is irresponsible IMO.
Stop stirring up the forum. :)
Although i dont feel much for beating myself up... I do agree with what you posted so I have nothing to say :P Fishing is serious business.. puts me on an emotional rollercoaster sometimes!! ::)
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Go see a shrink!
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What a joke. Starting to understand why you have I'm a llama by your avatar. Theres no way for people to learn if they arent told the correct way to do something. I don't even understand why you are arguing in this situation... Not your fish, and you dont seem to care about proper fish handling skills. Gotta love how a little bit of advice with some compliments turns into this...
Actually i'm pretty sure Damien knows how to release a fish properly or else he wouldn't have bought a net. Dont need to get all offensive with the llama jokes.... isn't the proper way to release a fish to use a treble hook to fish, cut the leader, and punt it like a football? Gotta love some of the posters on this forum...quite ignorant outside the fishing world. Oh wait you work for a float company..explains a lot...
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Go see a shrink!
Can you pay for it ??
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I would totally say something based on your scenario and say something or maybe even tell him what he did was wrong ( even though i'm sure he knows already). But its a big difference comparing that to the situation in this thread.
My point is that there are many factors contributing negatively to the fishery and releasing fish is probably not one of the bigger ones. Personally i find it messed up that some people care so much about the well being of the fish when they are released but they fail to acknowledge that fighting the fish on fly tackle or centerpin for a prolonged duration of time is also harmful to the fish's survival. What is this argument really about? being anal and finding it necessary to make a negative comment towards someone or that they actually care about the well being of the fish ? No matter what sportfishing itself creates an impact on our fisheries, so why can't people keep their panties on and just relax since the fish was released?
So the smaller problems should just be ignored? Proper handling of fish is one situation that we as sport fishers can actually control. If we dont care about the fish we catch then how can we even start to think about solving the bigger ones. I wouldnt be calling others ignorant based on your posts
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So the smaller problems should just be ignored? Proper handling of fish is one situation that we as sport fishers can actually control. If we dont care about the fish we catch then how can we even start to think about solving the bigger ones. I wouldnt be calling others ignorant based on your posts
No, i didn't say the smaller problems should be ignored. I just said people should relax because it is unnecessary to post it on fishing report thread. If you really care go make a thread on releasing fish and discuss there.
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:'( Sorry i'm not as pro as you in fishing, that must make you smart. is there a regulation regarding the proper method of handling fish ? I'm not saying that people shouldn't do it properly... but to say you need waders to learn to fish is pretty stupid. Also that glove you are wearing in your banner/avatar is removing slime off the fish
What, no reply to the glove in the banner/avatar after the remark about ignorance ! I can only hope that some of you apply the same level of ethics to the rest of your life as you do to fishing. Just roll with it Ed, it's all you can do.
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Yawn.........................
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