Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: stavesilver on September 24, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
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I was a the Stave on the west side, I live near by so went to look for any signs of fish . There is a very small fish ladder and a creek that goes up into a farm not far from the dam . They recently dug out the creek and put pools and stumps for spawning coho and added some fry .
I get there and a man his wife and a little girl have there lines in this small pool fishing for these 2 inch fry . seriously I couldnt believe my eyes mad as hell I told him that what he was doing was not only illegal but disgusting as well.
As I was leaving I turn to see him pull a 2 inch minnow and landed it on the dirt !!!!!
I dont think he understood a word I said so when I got home I called the DFO to inform them. Unfortunately it was getting dark and they probably left........
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you should take video...submit it...
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If I had my cell phone I would have ............. it was bad enough they used to fish the spawning channel at the toilet bowl but this was way out of line ........... never seen anything this stupid!!!!!!!!!
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they were probably just new to fishing and dont understand
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Disgusting or not, help me understand why it is illegal what they were doing?
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they were probably just new to fishing and dont understand
Even if new to fishing, if someone comes over and says "Hey, dont do this for this and this reason" or at least talked to you about it, then whether you understand or not, be on the safe side and just stop doing it until you do understand.
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Hey, is the dirt really bad for the fish? The only reason I'm asking is that once I caught a 12-14" cutthroat trout, and man they're slimy and slippery. So, he slipped outta my hands and landed in the dirt, by my feet. Well, I released him, and he seemed ok at that time. But the dirt was stuck all over one side of the poor fish. I felt so bad. Does it come off? Is the fish hurt by that?
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to Sam6140
Read page 11 in your regulations it tells you all you need to know on how to release a fish properly.
to Clarki
Fishing in a obvious spawning channel im sure is illegal this is a tiny creek that was just dug out from a mun flow . It was restored with stumps put in to protect the fry so they have a place to rear. I watched the fisheries complete the project when they release the fry , flopping a 2 inch minnow on a gravel/ dirt road is certainly what I would call releasing a fish in a harmful manner which is also illegal.
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to Clarki
Fishing in a obvious spawning channel im sure is illegal this is a tiny creek that was just dug out from a mun flow . It was restored with stumps put in to protect the fry so they have a place to rear. I watched the fisheries complete the project when they release the fry , flopping a 2 inch minnow on a gravel/ dirt road is certainly what I would call releasing a fish in a harmful manner which is also illegal.
It is perfectly legal to fish the ruskin spawning Chanel.... if not fishing for salmon.
If this so called creek or ladder is listed in the freshwater regulations as closed to fishing then there may be an issue. But even if closed to just salmon he may be fishing for white fish, trout.
But if not listed I'm pretty sure you can fish it.
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You should mind your own buisness ??? nice of you to ruin a family outing with your b.s. hope you are proud of yourself.
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Hmm, if they were fishing for non-salmon.... I wonder if they moved to this new channel due to your "presence" when they were fishing in the spawning channel....
I've several times meet people fishing for trout and white fish not unlike what this fellow may have been doing. Seems out of place but nothing wrong with it, and while fishing these small area's it's understandable to catch the odd minnow/small fish by accident.
Where there are minnows they may be trout eating them...
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to Clarki
Fishing in a obvious spawning channel im sure is illegal this is a tiny creek that was just dug out from a mun flow . It was restored with stumps put in to protect the fry so they have a place to rear. I watched the fisheries complete the project when they release the fry , flopping a 2 inch minnow on a gravel/ dirt road is certainly what I would call releasing a fish in a harmful manner which is also illegal.
There are no prohibitions to fishing where he was fishing. It is not illegal to fish in an enhanced/fish rearing area in the province wide regulations and there are no "no fishing" areas on the Stave, or its tribs (apart from the Ruskin spawning channel which is posted on-site and not in the regs that I can see). I'm not even sure that it is disgusting, but it might be irresponsible. I appreciate you not liking what you saw and speaking out about it, however you need to be very careful when you start playing the illegal card and perhaps intimidating a family.
I would say save your energy. There will be enough truly illegal fishing activities on the Stave in less than a month for you to express your righteous indignation.
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There are no prohibitions to fishing where he was fishing. It is not illegal to fish in an enhanced/fish rearing area in the province wide regulations and there are no "no fishing" areas on the Stave, or its tribs (apart from the Ruskin spawning channel which is posted on-site and not in the regs that I can see). I'm not even sure that it is disgusting, but it might be irresponsible. I appreciate you not liking what you saw and speaking out about it, however you need to be very careful when you start playing the illegal card and perhaps intimidating a family.
I would say save your energy. There will be enough truly illegal fishing activities on the Stave in less than a month for you to express your righteous indignation.
Its in the salmon supplement as it only applys to salmon, not trout or whitefish.
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From the regs:
There are five basic exceptions:
“No fishing” areas (see Regional Tables);
Within Ecological Reserves (this page);
Within 23 m below the lower entrance to any
fishway, canal, obstacle or leap;
Within a 100 m radius of any government
facility operated for counting, passing or
rearing fish (e.g., fishway, fish hatchery,
aeration system) unless otherwise
designated;
Thats as close as the regs come to dealing with this senario
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Its in the salmon supplement as it only applys to salmon, not trout or whitefish.
Given how thick the salmon are in the channel, unless you are fishing with a dry fly, you would be hard pressed to avoid snagging spawning fish or to convince an Officer that you are not "fishing for salmon," both of which are not allowed. Maybe if you were using small hooks and a 2 pound tippet?
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It is perfectly legal to fish the ruskin spawning Chanel.... if not fishing for salmon.
Huh, learn something new every day. I never would have guessed it would be permissible to fish in any designated spawning channel for any species. I can see how one could conceivably target trout or coarse fish that have come to feed on the eggs, but by doing so, you'd risk disturbance / foul hooking of the spawners. Even if technically legal, I think a good argument could be made for posting no fishing signs at every spawning channel?
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Its in the salmon supplement as it only applys to salmon, not trout or whitefish.
Good point. Didn't think to look there.
At any rate, the rearing area he described as being on the west side of the river, the Ruskin channel is on the east.
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Let me try to clarify this issue
The creek I was talking about runs down the mountain on the west side it continues under Wilson road through a fish ladder and into a tiny channel beside what looks like an old boat launch it is approximately 2 blocks south of the Ruskin dam on Wilson road.
They have worked on this particular creek for approximately 5 years in an effort to maintain a small spawning channel for coho.
Every other year this channel gets filled with mud from heavy rains, yet fisheries and volunteers have continued to try and restore this tiny spawning channel every year. 2 months ago this channel was filled to the top with mud there was absolutely no way any other species of fish could have survived or entered the channel during this time.
Just last month they finished this salmon habitat restoration project and cleared the mud and filled the channel with new fry and tree stumps to protect them. This new channel now runs parallel with the old boat launch type road off Wilson and runs into the stave river once again .
The couple with their daughter all had rods and were specifically targeting these fry with small hooks and a piece of corn jigging their rod up and down trying to entice a bite from one of these fry .
It wasn't until I turned to look back when the man raised his rod and plopped a small 2 inch minnow on to the dirt/gravel road and
and started to laugh.
These people have never seen the hard work the fisheries and volunteers have done to try to re-establish this small spawning pond
I have watched and helped out any way I could just as I help the people from the Inch Creek Hatchery with the heavy nets when collecting spawning salmon from the toilet bowl
I completely understand and am aware that much bigger issues regarding ethics and regulations that happen every year
However for those that condone this particular couples actions and expect me to turn my cheek the other way and mind my own business should try and understand that I have watched the efforts in trying to increase the quality of the stave river over the last 20 years
As corny as it may sound I try my best to help because I live so close by and appreciate the fisheries for what they do to help the sport fishing industry where ever I fish ............and if that means being a RAT then so be it
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Given how thick the salmon are in the channel, unless you are fishing with a dry fly, you would be hard pressed to avoid snagging spawning fish or to convince an Officer that you are not "fishing for salmon," both of which are not allowed. Maybe if you were using small hooks and a 2 pound tippet?
The people I have seen bar fish with small Aquatic invertebrates for bait and light gear and do fairly well. Me and a buddy were fishing for larger fish and this guy was doing fairly well in this one spot for small white fish. Was cool to see a different method. 8)
Drifting with proper set-up should work well to avoid salmon (or steelhead).
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Three seasons ago at the UFV Sport Fishing Advisory Committee, members identified the repeating problems at the spawning channel in question. After consultation with Fisheries and Oceans Canada and BC Hydro, closure of salmon fishing is then implemented for this section, as described under "Stave River" on the following page:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm
Because Fisheries and Oceans Canada is only responsible for anadromous salmon species in freshwater, this channel remains open for fishing for other species as the province has not implemented the same no fishing rule for the rest of the species (ie. the absence of "no fishing" listed in the current freshwater fishing regulations synopsis.
My advice is to not dipping a line in there during the salmon season.
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Let me try to clarify this issue
The creek I was talking about runs down the mountain on the west side it continues under Wilson road through a fish ladder and into a tiny channel beside what looks like an old boat launch it is approximately 2 blocks south of the Ruskin dam on Wilson road.
They have worked on this particular creek for approximately 5 years in an effort to maintain a small spawning channel for coho.
Every other year this channel gets filled with mud from heavy rains, yet fisheries and volunteers have continued to try and restore this tiny spawning channel every year. 2 months ago this channel was filled to the top with mud there was absolutely no way any other species of fish could have survived or entered the channel during this time.
Just last month they finished this salmon habitat restoration project and cleared the mud and filled the channel with new fry and tree stumps to protect them. This new channel now runs parallel with the old boat launch type road off Wilson and runs into the stave river once again .
The couple with their daughter all had rods and were specifically targeting these fry with small hooks and a piece of corn jigging their rod up and down trying to entice a bite from one of these fry .
It wasn't until I turned to look back when the man raised his rod and plopped a small 2 inch minnow on to the dirt/gravel road and
and started to laugh.
These people have never seen the hard work the fisheries and volunteers have done to try to re-establish this small spawning pond
I have watched and helped out any way I could just as I help the people from the Inch Creek Hatchery with the heavy nets when collecting spawning salmon from the toilet bowl
I completely understand and am aware that much bigger issues regarding ethics and regulations that happen every year
However for those that condone this particular couples actions and expect me to turn my cheek the other way and mind my own business should try and understand that I have watched the efforts in trying to increase the quality of the stave river over the last 20 years
As corny as it may sound I try my best to help because I live so close by and appreciate the fisheries for what they do to help the sport fishing industry where ever I fish ............and if that means being a RAT then so be it
The spawning channel in question that is in fact closed is on the EAST side along hayward street you are talking about the WEST side which is not closed,you have been watching this river for 20 years huh. that's laughable, perhaps you were at the shake and shingle before you went there and got your directions mixed up. If you go below the spawning channel where you are allowed to fish there is great fishing for cutties. Get your facts straight before you go out harassing families. ;)
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K.C. he is NOT talking about the spawning channel, he only mentioned that this couple may have been fishing the spawning channel before. He is talking about a creek on the west side. Try to keep up. Other people (doja et al.) have expounded on the legality of fishing the actual spawning channel as a sidebar to this thread.
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A lot of those who found guilty of doing such, were in fact new to the sport. I know it is their responsibility to go through the regulations before they get involved in the activity, how many of us here started this hobby with full understanding of the regulations anyways?? even if they've done something wrong, how much effort would that take us to educate them, or call them in if they won't bother..? I believe this family was just out for some fun, not like they would fish regularly like you and me. So, It's really not worth getting overly upset over things like this, because in two weeks of time, you would witness the "real show" at the very same place...
chill, let's go fishing and have some fun. :) ;)